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hellrahul
Hey I want to build my own PoWeR Computer.with lots of ram and very fast processor.
But there are many different processors, motherboard and other hardware of different companies i can't decide what combination should i use.

Help me out. PLEASE Give me a set of hardware which best performance.
Including MotherBoard : RAM : Processors And anything else you know which will increase the speed of My computer Tremendously.

I will be thankfull.
orno
it really depends on what you want to use the system for

a top end gaming system will be very different from a top end server system

and your budget plays an important (if not the MOST important) role as well
Psynthax
I would suggest you to wait untill the start of the next year ( 2007. ) and build a POWER PC then.
Next year Intel is releasing Conroe procesors.

If it is too long for you to wait for that long then my option will be AMD64, but allso I would wait for a new AMD socket ( AM2 ) that will be released soon. Allso with new AM2 socket will come DDR2-800 RAM memory.
hellrahul
hy Psynthax, Can you tell more about these hardwares in details.I'm a novice in this field.

Or plz suggest me a website(for novice) where i can read more about hardware.
william
It depends on the type of power PC and your price range. But, I recommend some of these parts:

Motherboard: Asus A8N-32SLI Deluxe
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 FX 60

Those parts are great when it comes to gaming. For RAM you should get at least 2 GB.

These parts may not be within your price range and they may not fit the type of computer you plan to build, but their speed is incredible.
TheGeek
^^ to add to what he said...or argue againts it...which ever, the Opteron when overclocked to 3Ghz actually out performs the FX-60 in gaming, just food for thought.

If you cant wait till conroe comes out go with the AMD Opteron Processor since if you ever wanna over clock it (which you probably will) you can go upwards of 1Ghz higher on stock cooling thanks to the more robust silicon used in that processor.

Go with a Motherboard from either MSI, Asus or Gigabyte.

For RAM, make sure you get something that you can use with your motherboard, its probably gunna be 182 pin PC3200 or PC4000 From either Corsair of OCZ and dont get less than 1GB of it.

You will probably want atleast 300-400 Watts to your machine so make sure that your PSU can supply about that much.

Nvidia has the new Quad SLI cards out now and they rock, so look into those, but theyre gunna run you about $550(US) for one and you'll probably want two just for bragging rights.

After that is the basic stuff like the DVD R/RW drive which is pretty generic from company to company i usually just get the cheapest one i can find in the color im looking for whenever i buy those.

Hard Drives are probably gunna be the easiest thing next to your Optical drives that your gunna get. The good Brands for Hard drives are Seagate and Western Digital though Maxtor and Samsung in my opinion and experience have worked just fine. Make sure that its at least 7200RPM though if your making a POWER pc like you say you may wanna take a look at the 10,000 or 15,000 RPM Drives though im not quite sure how big of a difference there is other than in price. Another thing is the Connection, make sure that if your motherboard supports only Serial ATA150 you get a hard drive that is Serial ATA150 and if its SATA 2 that your get a SATA 3GB/s Hard drive, however your always safe with PATA since most motherboards still supports atleast 4 PATA Hard drives to be connected to your machine.

The case is your own choice, go with whatever you think looks the coolest and you should be good there. And if it comes with a PSU make sure that it meets your minimum Wattage requirements otherwise what i said about PSUs above will again apply.

That should be it...unless you wanna go with cooling which means you will probably want to get some big heat sinks and fans which are good coming from pretty much anyone but Zalman makes some of the best IMO.

Ok thats it, if you have any questions after that feel free to ask

(sorry i know that was kinda long...)
psycosquirrel
The AM2 socket is not going to be that great; Conroe will totally rape it.

But as of now, AMD socket 939 is the best way to go. Get a HIGH-end single core, dual cores sometimes get mad at games. As for video cards, NEVER go quad sli. It is unstable, and really unneeded. Get ONE 7900GT and a 2 gigs of RAM. You will need at least a 500 watt PSU too. Once you know how much you can spend, tell me and I will help you some more.
ForceRun
It depends on what you plan to use your computer, and how much you have or are willing to spend (you could spend $1200 to $800 for a CPU with only 15% more power than a full computer for only $1000)?

Also do you need a Monitor, Basic LCD, mid or nice? And/or any external add ons, like printer, scanner, etc...

Use: (list everything you plan to do..)
Gaming?
Workstation(Word and Email)?
Video Editing?
Audio Editing/Mixing?
Photoshop?
CD/DVD burning?
More?

Price:
$300 (Dell cheapo box)
$600 (Okay Workstation)
$800 (Beginners Gaming, Nice Work Computer)
$1200 (Mid-Level gaming, Very nice working computer)
$1600 (High-end Gamer)
$2000+ (Suprime Game Machine/ Heavy App Computer)

And so on. Then we can help you out.

P.S. Don't buy a DELL
TheGeek
300 dollars actually can get you much better than a dell cheapo box. Im making a HTPC right now that is only gunna cost $330 after shipping and everything that is gunna be actually quite decent, it just isnt going to have a spectacular vid card since its not gunna be for gaming and i just need the S-Vid out on it.
ForceRun
Sounds interesting, could you post the specs? I haven't found a way to build that cheap of a computer that is worth anything, lowest I could put together was at least $400. Considering, at least $150 for a CPU which is the kicker, plus if you need OS and Moniter too.
hellrahul
Hi!
I have got 1000$ to 2000$ (US) to spend on my computer.

I am a developer.
I am a photoeditor.
ANd also I am a gamer.


NOW HELP ME OUT.
Tell me the parts and its price.



I wanna know more about hardwares in the market.
How fast is it. And Most important how can i compare between two hardwares of different companies.


I also wanna know about compatibility factors. Like Can i have any Motherboard with any processor Or i have to be specific on hardwares.

Can I have more than one processor at a time.
etc these are the some basic question Please answer it and help me.


I will be thankful.
djclue917
hellrahul wrote:
Hi!
I have got 1000$ to 2000$ (US) to spend on my computer.

I am a developer.
I am a photoeditor.
ANd also I am a gamer.


NOW HELP ME OUT.
Tell me the parts and its price.



I wanna know more about hardwares in the market.
How fast is it. And Most important how can i compare between two hardwares of different companies.


I also wanna know about compatibility factors. Like Can i have any Motherboard with any processor Or i have to be specific on hardwares.

Can I have more than one processor at a time.
etc these are the some basic question Please answer it and help me.


I will be thankful.


You're requesting a lot of information here. I suggest you just search Google for your queries or try reading stuff on Wikipedia or other sources of information regarding your concerns...
psycosquirrel
ForceRun wrote:
Sounds interesting, could you post the specs? I haven't found a way to build that cheap of a computer that is worth anything, lowest I could put together was at least $400. Considering, at least $150 for a CPU which is the kicker, plus if you need OS and Moniter too.


Well, it is a socket 754 CPU for starters. I have a 939 system that I run with onboard video and sound (do not have cash for vid card and sound card yet), and I spent around $320 on it. It has a gig of Corsair XMS 3200 RAM and an opty 146. The PSU is old, and I got it for $20 from a local store. Hard drive was scavenged from a laptop and is running on an IDE converter (only 4600 RPM, will be upgrading to 7200+RPM soon). The mobo is an AsRocks mATX board.

It works well for my needs, but I need to get money for the gfx card so I can play BF2.

Back on topic. You will want a 939 system based on your price:

CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103539
Thermal Compound:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835100007
Mobo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813136158
Vid Card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130015
RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145486
PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817174023
HDD 1:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144160
HDD 2:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144394
DVD Combo Drive 1:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827135073
DVD Combo Drive 2:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827135073
Sound Card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16829102178
Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811133132
Headset:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16826106935
Monitor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824002248
Keyboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16823175103
Mouse:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16826104178
Mousepad:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817114707

That is all you will need, for $1,704.38 plus shipping. For me, shipping was around $100, and it will probably be higher for you since you are not in the US. Nonetheless, this computer is outstanding, visually appealing, and will fit all your needs very well
Very Happy
ForceRun
psycosquirrel gots a great Machine lined up, for the most part I totally agree, I would get a DVD Burner tho, and a LCD.

DVD:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827152058
Only $10 more than the combo,
LCDs:
$249.99 19 inch BenQ
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824014111

$288.15 19inch Dell
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?sku=19073YR&c=us&cat=snp&category_id=211&cs=19&l=en&mnf=694&Page=productlisting.aspx

$324.99 20.1 inch BenQ
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824014105

$449.65 20.1 inch Dell (What a Beauity!)
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?sku=2007W3Y&c=us&cat=snp&category_id=6198&cs=19&l=en&mnf=694&Page=productlisting.aspx

Whats the point of having a great video card and system if you can't see the graphics. Pick one that fits your cash flow.

I got a cheap 19 inch LCD, and it is so much better than the CRT, I can't wait until I can get a really nice LCD setup maybe two of the 20.1 BenQs...

....on that side note, using your old stuff, and that level of specs I can easy see a system that cheap, but I had more in mind a full system from the ground up that runs reasonably (3.0Ghz), thanks for the answer.. Wink
Psynthax
Those that I`ve mentioned are hardware that is yet going to be released, Conroe procesors and AMD64 socket F are going to be released at the end of 2006 / start of 2007.

I would recommend you to wait untill then and buy power computer then.
You can save some more money untill then and buy even better computer then you could buy now. But the choice is yours..

AMD64 socket AM2 will be released this month and if it is too long to wait for Conroe or AMD64 socket F , buy AMD64 socket AM2 and procesor for that socket.

Socket 939 will not be used anymore, actualy it will for some time, but then they will stop developing procesors for that socket and you won`t be able to upgrade your computer later on, you will need to buy motherboard again when you will want to upgrade.

That is for motherboard and procesors only..
ForceRun
There will always be better hardware on the horizon. I have found that you can wait for the next new and great tech but by the time the tech finally comes out the next generation is introduced. Plus it takes awhile new tech to work out the larger bugs and reach the level of performance that is advertised. And as always the newest tech is way over priced, like some CPUs cost over $800 and in 6 month they are less than $400, so thats over $400 that you end up wasted. Plus the newest stuff is other at the most 10%- 15% better, faster, and\or more powerful.
psycosquirrel
And the AM2 socket will really deliver no performance boost over 939. The cores are essentially the same, but AM2 will use DDR2. DDR2 won't give a huge or even signifigant performance boost until the cores become more advanced. Therefore, it is completely not worth waiting for.

Conroe on the other hand is revolutionary and will easily bring Pentium back on top in the processor business. But Conroe cores will be EXTREMELY expensive, and not worth getting for the average enthusiast.
haris3
Make sure you get a nice screen. I'm talking an lcd bigger than 17", I have a 19" widescreen. It's awesome.
thuganomics
Wow, $1000-$2000 to spend O.o Lucky bast....

Heres what i recommend:

AMD 3800+ (Good overclocker) ~$220
2GB of OCZ Platinum 2-3-2-5 (I got mine for $150 on sale, sweet timings) ~$180
Some good Nforce4 motherboard ~$150
X1900 XTX (Pricey, but worth it) ~$500
74GB Raptor HDD (Fast at loading games) ~$100
200GB Storage HDD (Store your junk) ~$70
Fortron 500w (Stable voltage and cheap) ~$50
Monitor: One of those Samsung 1400:1 with 4-8MS LCDs (Sweet new stuff, the contrast is just AMAZING!! The repsonse time is almost as good as those huge CRT screens)~$350
Aspire Case (The one with lots of fans XD) ~$90
--------
Thats just less than $2000 ( $1963 including tax and stuff ).
Look around newegg and you might find better prices!
Im a fan of Nvidia Geforce, but my friend has one of those x1900 XTX and that video card whoops my 6800GT in EVERY SINGLE GAME by ~10-50FPS!
ehunter
I would recommend the following main parts:

AMD Athlon64 3800+: Attactive price, high overclocking potential.

ASUS A8N SLI Premium : Afforable price for the chosen AMD CPU above and bundled with Video, Sound, Network.

2x1GB Geil PC2-5300: good price, overclocking potential.

Barracuda 7200.9 SATA: I personally consider this is big enough and worth for every GB.

All above parts are taken into consideration of value vs price only. Exact price depend on where you live and sale promotion.

About optical drive, If I were you, I would buy any cheap DVD drive and wait for HD-DVD or Blu-ray
Very Happy
psycosquirrel
Either drive (HD or Blu) will not be mainstream for a while. Buying one of them when it first comes out would be like buying one of those stupid Ageia Physx cards. They will be worthless and outdated if/when it goes mainstream...
hellrahul
thuganomics wrote:
Wow, $1000-$2000 to spend O.o Lucky bast....

Heres what i recommend:

AMD 3800+ (Good overclocker) ~$220
2GB of OCZ Platinum 2-3-2-5 (I got mine for $150 on sale, sweet timings) ~$180
Some good Nforce4 motherboard ~$150
X1900 XTX (Pricey, but worth it) ~$500
74GB Raptor HDD (Fast at loading games) ~$100
200GB Storage HDD (Store your junk) ~$70
Fortron 500w (Stable voltage and cheap) ~$50
Monitor: One of those Samsung 1400:1 with 4-8MS LCDs (Sweet new stuff, the contrast is just AMAZING!! The repsonse time is almost as good as those huge CRT screens)~$350
Aspire Case (The one with lots of fans XD) ~$90
--------
Thats just less than $2000 ( $1963 including tax and stuff ).
Look around newegg and you might find better prices!
Im a fan of Nvidia Geforce, but my friend has one of those x1900 XTX and that video card whoops my 6800GT in EVERY SINGLE GAME by ~10-50FPS!


Thanx here is what i needed.

But I want more ideas I will buy my computer after 1 month. I am collecting informations. Then I will decide the best out of it.

Thanx
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