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Vlien
Hi hi, I have a problem that's a bit like the one entitled "resolution" on this forum. Mine is a bit different though. I've just started to use frames again, but my website (as I'm not a pro :p) is built for 1064 x 768 only. It looks miserable in lower resolutions, but I haven't a clue how to adapt it for all resolutions...
I hope the solution is not anything JavaScript or anything, haha.
This is my page: http://www.vliensweb.be
Tex_Arcana
As in the other article the solution is the same. Use percentages instead of pixels as measurements for your site. I would also suggest getting rid of your frames. I think I know where you're coming from on this. You're using the frame so you can do the menu only once and have it on every page the same. I have an article for you that will solve this problem withoput frames and it is really easy to use and understand. http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/maintenance.asp

Of course this applies to more then just your menu. It makes maintaining your site easy in a lot of different respects and it makes your site a lot more search engine friendly then using frames.
Vlien
That is very friendly of you but you must know...
in some way, this gets me angry Wink I'm NOT A PROFESSIONAL, concerning computers and computer language, I'm a noob. I only know HTML and I can use CSS, but that's all. JavaScript freaks me out and all the complex scripts provided on your - probably very easy/simple to other people - page. I haven't seen a menu anywhere? And that's of course, as you had noticed, what I'm trying to make. Why is it that most of you computer freaks hate frames so much? Isn't there a way for simple people like me to use them? And I actually am using percentages, but I suppose not in the way you mean I have to include them?

Ah well, maybe I should not care so much for other people's browsers. It's Microsoft IE 6 and a screen with a 1064 x 768 resolution, else you can't view it. Too bad. Not that my page is edifying anyway.
Thanks, though.

[edit] alright, I've calmed down a bit Razz I'll try and have another look at it...
Uhmm... why the annoying alert box??
amadeotw
ok, I recomend u lose the frames and create a template file that way u can edit one file to update your whole site's constant features. Now if u use table layout with the size a % u will find the site to be much more scalable. example:

<table width="90%">
<tr>
<td width="90%"><img src="yourimg.jpg" height=""width=""></td>
</tr>
</table>

just a little idea Wink
Tex_Arcana
Vlien wrote:
That is very friendly of you but you must know...
in some way, this gets me angry Wink I'm NOT A PROFESSIONAL, concerning computers and computer language, I'm a noob. I only know HTML and I can use CSS, but that's all. JavaScript freaks me out and all the complex scripts provided on your - probably very easy/simple to other people - page.

I'm not a professional either. This is just a hobby. A way to show off my creative side through art (i do my own graphics) and writing. Maybe I'm a little advanced but I've been slowly prugging away at it in my free time for a couple of years including running Linux on my computer. I humbly admit that I don't know everything, but offer my advice for free and hope it's worth more then it costs. The thing I like about web design is that there is aways something new to learn and experiment with.
Vlien wrote:
I haven't seen a menu anywhere? And that's of course, as you had noticed, what I'm trying to make. Why is it that most of you computer freaks hate frames so much? Isn't there a way for simple people like me to use them? And I actually am using percentages, but I suppose not in the way you mean I have to include them?

First the reason "computer freaks" like me don't like frames is that that frames used to load other parts of the same web site into an area with another part of your web site can be messy and it really isn't search engine friendly. You should have seen my first website I ever made. I had used frames for the menu. The real problem with frames was ilustrated to me by the banner adds that my host insisted on placing on every page. Including my frame page. That made for one of those irritating horizonal scroll bars at the bottom of the frame. Really nasty. Later I learned that the best use for a frame is to link your site to an external link like Arendonks voor dummies or your guestbook. Kind of like that horizonal frame across the top used by Google when you do an image search. Just a little hint to your readers that they were at your site first and can come back by clicking the link on your frame, with a way to get rid of the frame if they decide that the site you sent them to was better then yours. Laughing It works great that way unless the external site has a framebuster javascript that automatically dispells your frame.
Now the article I pointed you to was about easy site maintenance. It showed how you can change every page on your site just by modifing the external sheet linked to each page. The examples were for the CSS, an annoying javascript alert, and for the header and footer of the page. I'm sure you know that the CSS can be done three different ways: placed in the head section of the page, done inline with the tag it modifies, or linked in the head to an external CSS sheet. The best way of course is to link to the CSS sheet so that when you want to make a change you only do it once in the external sheet and every page linked to it automatically recieves that change. The Javascript (you don't really need to use a javascript it is only for instructional purposes) is the same way. The part that pertained to your menu was the includes or .inc sheet. By linking your pages to a common include sheet that can contain anything like say, a menu, you can change the menu on all pages by simply making the change on one .inc sheet which you will find very easy to do since it is much much simpler then messing around with the links in a frame.

Vlien wrote:
Ah well, maybe I should not care so much for other people's browsers. It's Microsoft IE 6 and a screen with a 1064 x 768 resolution, else you can't view it. Too bad. Not that my page is edifying anyway.
Thanks, though.

[edit] alright, I've calmed down a bit Razz I'll try and have another look at it...
Uhmm... why the annoying alert box??

You could do that. Lot's of people do, but you showed an interest in learning how to be a better designer and things like fluid resizable layouts without frames make you a better designer. By the way I liked your page. I even had a couple of laughs while there. In fact I forgot to do some of the things I normally do like look at your source code or run it through w3c valadator. Oh and by the way, I've been to Belgium. Nice country. Unfortunately I was there only for a day so All I really remember were lots of red brick houses and gently rolling country side.
Vlien
Hehe, yuck, red brick houses - I'll never own one! Cool

I haven't read through your article yet, and I've still got a 'small' question first: can I really keep my lay-out the way it is now? I mean, you were talking about header-middle-footer, but my page is now devided into five sections. I don't think my knowledge of pagebuilding is good enough yet to start with it, I'm basically drowning in information! I've always wanted to be able to do all these things, even bought myself a really (I said, really) heavy book on the subject, but somehow... there's always a point where I feel I can't get any further, some things I just can't grasp.

That explains my frames Laughing
Thank you for having a laugh, flatters me!

ps: freaks is a term I tend to use to express my awe for your seemingly endless programming knowledge, nothing offensive! Wink
engeland
hey Vlien, pretty cool site you got there. I've got a taste for artistic websites like yours. Unforetunately, i haven't seen much around.

when i design my site, i normally take into consideration the 800x600 thing. I've tried using percentages, but i 'think' that'd only work if your background images are high resolution. I've come across websites with that sort of stuff. Their background images are within the range of 2000px in width (PNG image). And that takes up alota space. So try keepin your website width below 800px. It helps. Unless your using solid background colours.
Vlien
Thanks a lot! Someday I'll figure out how to solve the problem Cool
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