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"Buddha knows all answers!"
Religio = to find to yourself through belief
The Buddha said: "Don't belief me, check it by yourself." In Buddhism you can proof everything. It's not like by Christians that you have to belief or you will go to hell. Actually many things are wrong in the Bible but this is not the topic and well known.
The teachings of the Buddha (=Dhamma) are a guidline to get known the reality about this world and yourself. You will get known clearly why people are suffering and how to come out of this suffering. You will know clearly how human are function, the mind and the body. You will only get known all these things if you practice right. This kind of study and practice shows you immediately good results if your practice is right. This can be also hold as an indicator for the right practice. For the right practice you need first the right view. How to get the right view?
To be continued...
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The Buddha said: "Don't belief me, check it by yourself." In Buddhism you can proof everything. It's not like by Christians that you have to belief or you will go to hell. Actually many things are wrong in the Bible but this is not the topic and well known.
The teachings of the Buddha (=Dhamma) are a guidline to get known the reality about this world and yourself. You will get known clearly why people are suffering and how to come out of this suffering. You will know clearly how human are function, the mind and the body. You will only get known all these things if you practice right. This kind of study and practice shows you immediately good results if your practice is right. This can be also hold as an indicator for the right practice. For the right practice you need first the right view. How to get the right view?
To be continued...
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Hello
You say christians believe and budists know. But how do they know what's the right view and the right practice? Isn't that a belief?
Greetingz.
Jasper
You say christians believe and budists know. But how do they know what's the right view and the right practice? Isn't that a belief?
Greetingz.
Jasper
Hello Jasper,
you can not say in general that buddhist know. Actually not really many buddhist know really 'deeply'. In this very world exists only about 1000 Arahants which is in compare with the world population not so much. You have to seperate interlectual knowledge and insight knowledge. Only insight knowledge frees yourself but interlectual knowledge is a prestep to get insight knowledge or wisdom.
It's not so difficult as many people are thinking but also not so easy. When you practice you will know it by yourself. All the effects of right practice and right view are shown or written in the scriptures. So if they occur you know that the cause must be right means that you have the right view and practicing right.
Best wishes,
A practitioner
you can not say in general that buddhist know. Actually not really many buddhist know really 'deeply'. In this very world exists only about 1000 Arahants which is in compare with the world population not so much. You have to seperate interlectual knowledge and insight knowledge. Only insight knowledge frees yourself but interlectual knowledge is a prestep to get insight knowledge or wisdom.
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It's not so difficult as many people are thinking but also not so easy. When you practice you will know it by yourself. All the effects of right practice and right view are shown or written in the scriptures. So if they occur you know that the cause must be right means that you have the right view and practicing right.
Best wishes,
A practitioner
At least it's safe to say that Buddhism is the most peaceful of all religions, no chopping of heads here, in fact most buddhists are vegetarians because they believe that killing a living beeing is wrong.
I agree; it is a huge shame that other religions cannot be more tolerant of others. It's believe or die for them, though practicality is never taken into consideration.
I cannot agree with being a vegetarian, sadly. Though I sympathize with animals, they are a means to survive. Animals kill other animals to survive; why can't we do the same? I'd have no problem boycotting places that grow and sadistically kill animals by the thousands for mere profit (*cough*Mickey-D's*cough*), but to deny one's self all meat seems rather foolish to me. It has already been proven to shorten one's life, so I myself shall continue eating meat.
I cannot agree with being a vegetarian, sadly. Though I sympathize with animals, they are a means to survive. Animals kill other animals to survive; why can't we do the same? I'd have no problem boycotting places that grow and sadistically kill animals by the thousands for mere profit (*cough*Mickey-D's*cough*), but to deny one's self all meat seems rather foolish to me. It has already been proven to shorten one's life, so I myself shall continue eating meat.
Dear Sakonboard,
you are right, Buddhism is the most peaceful of all religions. If you want to know why, take a look to the topic "Buddhism". But the 'fact' that most of the buddhist are vegetarians is not supportable. If you are vegeterien you also kill indirect. What do the farmers on the fields? They use chemical weapons against various animals and insects. So this argument has no substance. I'm also a half vegetarian but only becauce we normally eat to much meat. I feel more fresh and healthy when I try to avoid eating most kinds of meat except fish. It's a personal experience and choice.
Best wishes,
A pratitioner
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you are right, Buddhism is the most peaceful of all religions. If you want to know why, take a look to the topic "Buddhism". But the 'fact' that most of the buddhist are vegetarians is not supportable. If you are vegeterien you also kill indirect. What do the farmers on the fields? They use chemical weapons against various animals and insects. So this argument has no substance. I'm also a half vegetarian but only becauce we normally eat to much meat. I feel more fresh and healthy when I try to avoid eating most kinds of meat except fish. It's a personal experience and choice.
Best wishes,
A pratitioner
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As you probably know, most buddhists are not that serious about this point. Buddha himself thought it was ok to eat meat, but not if the animal had been slaughtered only for him to eat it...
1) Being a vegetarian alone does not make you healthier. Studies can only suggest that fewer vegetarians die from heart disease. However even that is a bit distorted. Vegetarians tend to be the people that will abandon all unhealthy lifestyles--not just meat. Straight from the get-go this playing field is unbalanced. Furthermore, vegetarians tend to exercise more for the same reason that most gave up meat; to "become healthier." The only results that come from studies indicating vegetarians might be healthier are nothing more than direct results from the tendencies given with each person, and not the specific lifestyle. We have yet to prove anything about vegetarians and real health, however cutting out the protein and other nutrients you'd find in meat is not a wise decision. Additionally, supplements to replaces these lost nutrients will only further complicate the problem--supplements (synthetic/artificial nutrients) are far more unhealthy than consuming the nutrients naturally in their origins. Sometimes, that's meat. Sorry, but I guess vegetarianism is a pet peeve of mine, because it's so misunderstood.
2) This is completely opinion, but what good is killing an animal for any reason other than to eat it? Do animals give their due respects before killing eachother? Not from what I've seen. We must eat to survive. To receive all of our proper nutrients, we need meat. We must kill to eat meat. I think Buddha may have been burdening people by saying they must kill an animal for a reason other than to eat it. Any additional motive than survival (or sympathy, in euthanasia) would become either sadistic or spiritual (in other religions). Unless Buddha was trying to deny himself his followers?
2) This is completely opinion, but what good is killing an animal for any reason other than to eat it? Do animals give their due respects before killing eachother? Not from what I've seen. We must eat to survive. To receive all of our proper nutrients, we need meat. We must kill to eat meat. I think Buddha may have been burdening people by saying they must kill an animal for a reason other than to eat it. Any additional motive than survival (or sympathy, in euthanasia) would become either sadistic or spiritual (in other religions). Unless Buddha was trying to deny himself his followers?
Why I don't change the topic into "Vegetarians and Animal killers"?! Seems to be more interesting than the actual topic!
But like the last post from "Sakenboard" Buddhist are not so serious about this because it's something which changes everytime, it's uncertain, debatable, not sure. It's up to your view what 'you' eat as long as you don't kill.
To end the useless discussion about what is healthier or not, there are various researches for each side which shows that it is something uncertain and so we will never come to any conclusion.
Nobody will ever be able to say in general what the body needs!! Every body is different!!! So two bodies are in two different conditions and they need two different combinations of elements to keep it in balance. And one day the body needs this the next day it needs something different!!! It changes all the time like everything. You have to try out by yourself what is the best for 'your' body.
Best wishes,
A practitioner
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But like the last post from "Sakenboard" Buddhist are not so serious about this because it's something which changes everytime, it's uncertain, debatable, not sure. It's up to your view what 'you' eat as long as you don't kill.
To end the useless discussion about what is healthier or not, there are various researches for each side which shows that it is something uncertain and so we will never come to any conclusion.
Nobody will ever be able to say in general what the body needs!! Every body is different!!! So two bodies are in two different conditions and they need two different combinations of elements to keep it in balance. And one day the body needs this the next day it needs something different!!! It changes all the time like everything. You have to try out by yourself what is the best for 'your' body.
Best wishes,
A practitioner
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Sorry for dragging the topic off of it's intended direction. I have no current disagreements, so there's just not much else I could post on. Buddhism is, as you said, one of the most peaceful religions. Though should it be a religion at all? I'm curious for your input--how is Buddhism a religion more than a meditational practice (such as Fulan Gong)?
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Most european philosophers and teologists consider Buddhism to be philosophy rahther than religion.
Buddhism is not limited to meditation only. The meditation is generally for Bhikkus(Buddhist monks). Buddhism is more like way of moral and succesful life. All religions are believed to be way of life (as far I know), so Buddhism is a religion.
Dear Juparis,
I ever practiced Falun Gong. It's like Chi Gong. A set of exercises which increases the flow-speed of the various energy systems and opens them if they are not working right. These are body exercises which also have some influences to the mind. Strenghten up your concertration and so on. In Buddhism the object of interest is more the mind in a way to know him. Meditation, contemplation and morality combined is only the way to get known but not the knowing in itself. You also contemplate, investigate the body but not to strenghten him up, only to know what he really is.
The teachings of the Buddha intend to support you to get known about how the things really are. To see clear the reality and not live in a created illusion of yourself. When you practice you will see clear that the body is only a compound of four elements which is not you!! It's materia like the computer in front of you. When you eat a piece of pizza, would you say the pizza you are putting now in your mouth is you? No sure not but you still say that this body is you!
It's a thing which changes in every second. So there is every second a new body. Would you say that you and your mother is same? No sure not. Why? Different compound of elements! Same as the body now and before a second.
The teachings and the teachers offer you support to get you known what is you and what not, where suffer comes from and how to come out of this cycle of suffering, to master your mind and to become a 'person' with morality. These are some of the heavy points.
Best wishes,
A practitioner
I ever practiced Falun Gong. It's like Chi Gong. A set of exercises which increases the flow-speed of the various energy systems and opens them if they are not working right. These are body exercises which also have some influences to the mind. Strenghten up your concertration and so on. In Buddhism the object of interest is more the mind in a way to know him. Meditation, contemplation and morality combined is only the way to get known but not the knowing in itself. You also contemplate, investigate the body but not to strenghten him up, only to know what he really is.
The teachings of the Buddha intend to support you to get known about how the things really are. To see clear the reality and not live in a created illusion of yourself. When you practice you will see clear that the body is only a compound of four elements which is not you!! It's materia like the computer in front of you. When you eat a piece of pizza, would you say the pizza you are putting now in your mouth is you? No sure not but you still say that this body is you!
It's a thing which changes in every second. So there is every second a new body. Would you say that you and your mother is same? No sure not. Why? Different compound of elements! Same as the body now and before a second.
The teachings and the teachers offer you support to get you known what is you and what not, where suffer comes from and how to come out of this cycle of suffering, to master your mind and to become a 'person' with morality. These are some of the heavy points.
Best wishes,
A practitioner
Dear Siddarth,
sorry when I have to speak again your informations.
Meditation is not only reserved for monks! I'm practice and study here in Thailand as a Layman like many others. The Buddha gave his knowledge not to a seclude part of beings. The teachings are for everyone.
Meditation, Mindfulness is one of three things which you have to practice and study about if you want to become free of suffering.
In which drawer you put it is not important. These are only interlectual games which leads to nothing.
Be open minded and try it out if it's working for you or not. Don't believe anybody, know by yourself. I don't intend to be a Bible writer. So please check by yourself if it's right or not.
Best wishes,
A practitioner
sorry when I have to speak again your informations.
Meditation is not only reserved for monks! I'm practice and study here in Thailand as a Layman like many others. The Buddha gave his knowledge not to a seclude part of beings. The teachings are for everyone.
Meditation, Mindfulness is one of three things which you have to practice and study about if you want to become free of suffering.
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In which drawer you put it is not important. These are only interlectual games which leads to nothing.
Be open minded and try it out if it's working for you or not. Don't believe anybody, know by yourself. I don't intend to be a Bible writer. So please check by yourself if it's right or not.
Best wishes,
A practitioner
Buddism or christianity?
You people seem as confused as each other. both of these relegions require you to follow are large amount of rules. One says it's the way to heaven the other to nothing which is heaven (or enlightenment).
And both these religons have the same function, getting people to stive to be better. What's wrong with the way you are now? why are you running away from yourself.
Do you look in the mirror and think bad thoughts? Well, wake up to yourself, so does the rest of the world. It's not about running away and finding something that will tell you you're okay, you can save yourself a whole lot of and energy by skipping the middleman and finding enlightment inside yourself.
You people seem as confused as each other. both of these relegions require you to follow are large amount of rules. One says it's the way to heaven the other to nothing which is heaven (or enlightenment).
And both these religons have the same function, getting people to stive to be better. What's wrong with the way you are now? why are you running away from yourself.
Do you look in the mirror and think bad thoughts? Well, wake up to yourself, so does the rest of the world. It's not about running away and finding something that will tell you you're okay, you can save yourself a whole lot of and energy by skipping the middleman and finding enlightment inside yourself.
| Gerhard Schwenke wrote: | ||
In which drawer you put it is not important. These are only interlectual games which leads to nothing. Be open minded and try it out if it's working for you or not. Don't believe anybody, know by yourself. I don't intend to be a Bible writer. So please check by yourself if it's right or not. Best wishes, A practitioner |
I have to agree with this. It has been my experience that most eastern religions are also philosophies, inherently. In philosophy in College, when we studied western philosophy, we studied Socraties, Plato, Aristotle, Neitche (sp?), Kant, etc. When we studied eastern philosophy we studied, Confucianism, Daoism, Buddhism, etc.
It seems to me that in the west we have come to a point of trying too hard to separate things into very specific areas, where as thinking more broadly can in many ways be more helpful and informative.
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| It seems to me that in the west we have come to a point of trying too hard to separate things into very specific areas, where as thinking more broadly can in many ways be more helpful and informative. |
Yes Shike. The modern "food fight". Nowadays they only repeat and discuss opinions, theses and teachings from other people mostly dead people. How will ever one know if this or that is correct if one doesn't try to proof it by himself? Religion practice becomes more theoretical than it actual should be, practical!
I'm so sorry for this people, a big waste of time if they don't go a step further.
By the way: Nietsche
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Someone should tell this to these theorie warriors.
The thing that I don’t like about the Buddha was his heavy involvement with Naga spirits. My own personal experiences with Naga spirits have been entirely negative. They are ancient, but they are not divine.
I also have a problem with vegetarianism. It’s the same problem that I have with anti-abortion activists. When does the soul enter the body? They never ask this question so the answers they come up with are absolutist. I think that many pets have souls but that no feral animals do.
I also have a problem with vegetarianism. It’s the same problem that I have with anti-abortion activists. When does the soul enter the body? They never ask this question so the answers they come up with are absolutist. I think that many pets have souls but that no feral animals do.
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Heavy involvement??? It does not seem that you also spent four years for reading the teachings of the Buddha like the Qu'ran!
I would really recommend you to do this at least to avoid posts like this. But even better for you would be if you practice it, check it if it's working and true so that you know by yourself.
And one extra information for you (because the most don't know what even you talking about), naga spirits don't attack anything without a cause. So it's your own dept or Karma that you have negative (your own judgement/ creation) experiences. You should see the teachings for you in these experiences. Take the "gold" and don't judge what is neighter good nor bad.
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The next idicator of my guess.
Buddha talks about moral behaviour like "not to kill any living beings" not about eating meat or diets! I hope you see the difference once.
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It seems you are a person with a lot of questions so if you want to know give yourself a chance and try the Way to know offered by the Buddha. I promise, you only can win!
Best whises to you...
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Heavy involvement??? It does not seem that you also spent four years for reading the teachings of the Buddha like the Qu'ran! I would really recommend you to do this at least to avoid posts like this. But even better for you would be if you practice it, check it if it's working and true so that you know by yourself.
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First you act like I know nothing about the subject of Buddhism, but then you try to defend the character of Naga spirits, after having to explain what I was talking about because only Buddhists and Hindus would know. Stories of the Buddha’s association with Naga spirits abound, indeed, a Naga was the first being to present itself to the Buddha after his enlightenment.
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| And one extra information for you (because the most don't know what even you talking about), naga spirits don't attack anything without a cause. So it's your own dept or Karma that you have negative (your own judgement/ creation) experiences. You should see the teachings for you in these experiences. Take the "gold" and don't judge what is neighter good nor bad.
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You are quick to judge my experiences without knowing anything about them. I had a teacher who was heavily into Naga spirits. I saw incredible things, impossible healings, manifestations of food like in the Bible, and many more amazing things that this teacher did with the help of Nagas. But I also found out that this teacher was morally corrupt. It took me a couple of years I was in such awe of what was happening before my eyes. And they kept the most incriminating evidence tightly under wraps, but eventually I found out.
Years later I was working with an energy healer who focused his mind on those people. After listening to the terrible stories I told he was shocked when his scan showed that they were good people. But it was an issue that came up over and over, they had created a lot of energetic problems for me. The biggest hurdle was the Nagas. Once the preparatory work had been done he was able to clear me of the Naga’s influence in a flash, but when he went to work on my teacher he hit a brick wall. He said, “It is like trying to tell someone that their god isn’t really God.”
I think that the Nagas are the source of a lot of problems in Buddhism. In fact, it is in a Jakatas about Nagas in which the Buddha makes the quote that atheists love the most. Buddhism is an excessively dry and intellectual religion which goes on and on about intellectual abstractions without often getting to the heart of the matter, literally. The heart and feeling is not addressed by Buddhism nearly as much as the head. In Zen, it is said that the intellect makes a wonderful servant but a hideous master. That is so true, and yet Buddhism is so full of intellectual meanderings on irrelevant topics, coupled with almost total silence on essential topics, like God.
Nagas are like asuras in Hinduism. In the Vedas asuras are gods, good guys, but in every subsequent scripture they are recognized as evil characters. Nagas are the same way, but they have been more pervasive and subtle in their influence and have gone undetected. If you have personal experiences with them, and you don’t let it inflate your ego the way it did with the teacher I use to see, then you can clearly see Nagas for what they are. They are not divine spirits.
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The next idicator of my guess. Buddha talks about moral behaviour like "not to kill any living beings" not about eating meat or diets! I hope you see the difference once. |
Plants are living beings too. If I were to not eat any living being that would leave me with nothing but rocks and dirt to eat. I can sense their spirits, sometimes I can even hear and see them. Shrubs look like classic Tinkerbell faeries while trees are either smoky human sized amorphous forms, or giant tree-sized human forms (but all green). Animals by contrast are not always beings of light, when I see feral animals I see black energy. Pets with souls look utterly and completely different to me then feral animals. There is more light and spirit in the plant kingdom than among feral animals.
Your emphasis is the same as pro-lifers who say that life begins at conception. But the important issue is whether or not that life has a soul. Clearly yeast organisms don’t have souls, but I would not be so quick to just assume that no plant life has souls.
| mike1reynolds wrote: |
| You are quick to judge my experiences without knowing anything about them. I had a teacher who was heavily into Naga spirits. I saw incredible things, impossible healings, manifestations of food like in the Bible, and many more amazing things that this teacher did with the help of Nagas. |
Use of magic was prohibited by Buddha for buddhist monks. If any buddhist monk do it, it is against Buddha's teachings.
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http://www.buddhanet.net/ans50.htm
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| Nagas are like asuras in Hinduism. In the Vedas asuras are gods, good guys, but in every subsequent scripture they are recognized as evil characters. |
In vedas, asuras are enemies of gods(suras, deva). Asuras are evil people in Vedas. btw, asuras were gods in old persian religion.
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| I also have a problem with vegetarianism. |
Buddha do not teach vegetarianism. Buddha himself have taken meat as food several times.
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| The thing that I don’t like about the Buddha was his heavy involvement with Naga spirits. |
Buddha was not a bit involved with Naga spirit.
BUddah is my lord n savior. I drink his blood, I mean wine every day. Then I pray for forgiveness.
Prince Siddharta did not, and never claimed to, have any answers, let alone all answers. He just suggested some ideas, but insisted that you think, test, and decide for yourself.
Only you can decide what is correct and what is not, and that is just how it should be. Don't let anyone tell you any different.
Only you can decide what is correct and what is not, and that is just how it should be. Don't let anyone tell you any different.
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Use of magic was prohibited by Buddha for buddhist monks. If any buddhist monk do it, it is against Buddha's teachings.
http://www.buddhanet.net/ans50.htm |
Healings are not any of these things. I said that I saw impossible healings, and specified little else.
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In vedas, asuras are enemies of gods(suras, deva). Asuras are evil people in Vedas. btw, asuras were gods in old persian religion. |
Asuras were not demons in the Rg Veda, the oldest scripture in the world. Zoroastrianism is much younger than the Vedas, so I doubt there is a connection in this regard.
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Buddha was not a bit involved with Naga spirit. |
Then why are there so many Buddhist suttas and jatakas about Nagas?
| mike1reynolds wrote: |
| Healings are not any of these things. I said that I saw impossible healings, and specified little else. |
All types of magic are prohibited in Buddhism.
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Then why are there so many Buddhist suttas and jatakas about Nagas? |
In all of these suttas and jatakas, Buddha is the teacher, not Nagas. Buddha is not accepting any Naga spirit in his damma. Buddha has also preached bandits, it does not mean that Buddha was involved with bandits.
To mike1
I have seen your opinion on god yet you still practise buddisem is not buddism athesm seeing how that both dont belive in god (atleast not a mystical god) buddisem from what i have heard teachers such things as god is part of us all or even god is a statue please look at the story of Abraham
buddisem is the teaching of inner peace right and............. hay im with that people should have inner peace but i truly dont belive that the way thay have portry that is right
fethermore you have said you practise Judisem and cristianity there for contradicting buddism for thay dont belive in the pagan worship of cows and statues.
I have seen your opinion on god yet you still practise buddisem is not buddism athesm seeing how that both dont belive in god (atleast not a mystical god) buddisem from what i have heard teachers such things as god is part of us all or even god is a statue please look at the story of Abraham
buddisem is the teaching of inner peace right and............. hay im with that people should have inner peace but i truly dont belive that the way thay have portry that is right
fethermore you have said you practise Judisem and cristianity there for contradicting buddism for thay dont belive in the pagan worship of cows and statues.
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| Animals kill other animals to survive; why can't we do the same? I........................ but to deny one's self all meat seems rather foolish to me. It has already been proven to shorten one's life, so I myself shall continue eating meat.
1) Being a vegetarian alone does not make you healthier. Studies can only suggest that fewer vegetarians die from heart disease. However even that is a bit distorted. Vegetarians tend to be the people that will abandon all unhealthy lifestyles--not just meat. Straight from the get-go this playing field is unbalanced. Furthermore, vegetarians tend to exercise more for the same reason that most gave up meat; to "become healthier." T.......................t's meat. Sorry, but I guess vegetarianism is a pet peeve of mine, because it's so misunderstood. 2) This is completely opinion, but what good is killing an animal for any reason other than to eat it? Do animals give their due respects before killing eachother?........... Unless Buddha was trying to deny himself his followers? |
Well, there's a difference between animals and us humans. We have the will power and intelligence. We can think and choose. "With power comes responsibility" We are superior to these animals and so we are responsible for them. We better stop eating them, we can live with vegetarian.
I dont know why you believe vegetarians become healthier only because they exercise?? Well, I became a vegetarian 1 year ago and before that I was weak, frail, thin, unhealthy, I would easily get sick. And now I am strong and healthy without doing any kind of exercise, eh. Anyway, if you think combination of vegetarianism and exercise is healthier, why don't you choose it over eating poor animals? A tiger may not be able to think but you can.
And by the way, all the religions should adopt the idea of vegetarianism.
I'm seriously considering converting, as it were.
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I dont know why you believe vegetarians become healthier only because they exercise?? Well, I became a vegetarian 1 year ago and before that I was weak, frail, thin, unhealthy, I would easily get sick. And now I am strong and healthy without doing any kind of exercise, eh. Anyway, if you think combination of vegetarianism and exercise is healthier, why don't you choose it over eating poor animals? A tiger may not be able to think but you can. And by the way, all the religions should adopt the idea of vegetarianism. |
I do believe if you want to do serious meditation and need lots of spiritual energy for religion, that to go for periodic fasting would be a good idea. But only as a short-term measure. The body needs certain basic foods, and long-term fasting can break it down.
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| And by the way, all the religions should adopt the idea of vegetarianism. |
I suppose this would be on-par with the intelligence of the currently existing *censored*
Anyhow, stop being self righteous. I just had to pop into this reply-box to say that, because as I've been reading through this you've been getting on my nerves.
"Hey, I'm an obese person and don't exercise; but I eat meat, and that makes me obese. I'll just become vegetarian and start exercising. Oh, look! I lost weight. Vegitarians FTWLOL."
I hope I emphasized my point well enough. *goes back to reading thread*
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| I suppose this would be on-par with the intelligence of the currently existing *censored*
Anyhow, stop being self righteous. I just had to pop into this reply-box to say that, because as I've been reading through this you've been getting on my nerves. "Hey, I'm an obese person and don't exercise; but I eat meat, and that makes me obese. I'll just become vegetarian and start exercising. Oh, look! I lost weight. Vegitarians FTWLOL." I hope I emphasized my point well enough. *goes back to reading thread* |
http://naturalhygienesociety.org/articles/paleo2.html
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| Ann Louise Gittleman, M.S., is a nutritional counselor and consultant specializing in women's health in Santa Fe, New Mexico. She served as the Chief Dietitian of the Pediatric Clinic at Bellevue Hospital in New York and was the nutrition director at the Pritkin Longevity Center in Santa Monica, California. She supports the idea of a vegetarian diet in principle, but like Mark, she found that for her and many of her patients, it doesn't work. "We all know the reasons that show how unsound it is to be eating meat, and on paper I agree with them," she says. "But in real life I am seeing vegetarian and vegan women who don't menstruate, have protein deficiencies and fatigue, are losing their hair, and have premature menopause."
Gittleman has been working for over 18 years with vegans, vegetarians, adherents of macrobiotics, and people who have restricted their intake of animal foods. She says that she saw these nutritional problems, especially among women, when she was nutrition director at the Pritikin Center in California from 1980-1982. She saw them among the vegetarian community associated with the Kripalu Center for Yoga and Health when she was in practice in Lenox, Massachusetts, in 1989. And she is seeing them now among her patients in Santa Fe. "I've been doing this enough years to know that, practically, something isn't working." Gittleman says, "I think that a strict vegetarian diet (minimal use of dairy products) acts as a good cleansing program for people who come from a diet heavy in animal foods and processed foods, and for a time it is therapeutic. But for some people, when it goes on too long it seems to backfire." Gittleman believes that people on too strict a vegetarian diet can change their physical condition from one troubled by the problems of excess to one troubled by problems of scarcity. |
| Hogwarts wrote: | ||
I suppose this would be on-par with the intelligence of the currently existing *censored* Anyhow, stop being self righteous. I just had to pop into this reply-box to say that, because as I've been reading through this you've been getting on my nerves. "Hey, I'm an obese person and don't exercise; but I eat meat, and that makes me obese. I'll just become vegetarian and start exercising. Oh, look! I lost weight. Vegitarians FTWLOL." |
| deanhills wrote: |
| In fact there is a lady by the name of Dr. Louise Gittleman who says people actually gain weight by going vegetarian and loose by eating meat
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True. I gained weight too. But it didn't make me obese.
Buddhism is nothing but practical Vedanta or original Hinduism...
Buddha does NOT know all answers. He was just a man and as a man he should be treated. Buddhism just like any other religion says that we must be sanctified first and then only can we be justified. This means that we must make ourselves right first in order that we could be acceptable to God.
Christianity, however, is totally opposite! God accepts us and then transforms us into His glorious likeness. Don't waste time on trying to make yourself right, you CAN'T! Only by faith in Jesus Christ you can be acceptable to God, there is NO other way!
Christianity, however, is totally opposite! God accepts us and then transforms us into His glorious likeness. Don't waste time on trying to make yourself right, you CAN'T! Only by faith in Jesus Christ you can be acceptable to God, there is NO other way!
| Whong wrote: |
| Buddhism just like any other religion says that we must be sanctified first and then only can we be justified |
| Whong wrote: |
| Christianity, however, is totally opposite! God accepts us and then transforms us into His glorious likeness. |
I am not detecting a slight bias from a Christian here o_O
| Whong wrote: |
| Don't waste time on trying to make yourself right, you CAN'T! Only by faith in Jesus Christ you can be acceptable to God, there is NO other way! |
Precisely. But, as Whong demonstrates, you can make yourself self righteous, which should be good enough for any man prior to us kipping off to heaven and being transformed "into His glorious likeness."
| Whong wrote: |
| Buddha does NOT know all answers. He was just a man and as a man he should be treated. Buddhism just like any other religion says that we must be sanctified first and then only can we be justified. This means that we must make ourselves right first in order that we could be acceptable to God. |
There is no god in buddhism, perhaps you should learn what it is first and then say something?
| Whong wrote: |
| Christianity, however, is totally opposite! God accepts us and then transforms us into His glorious likeness. Don't waste time on trying to make yourself right, you CAN'T! Only by faith in Jesus Christ you can be acceptable to God, there is NO other way! |
As a christian you are obviuosly biased towards christianity. And your "argument" to "not to try make yourself right" because you can't is based on your belief and others may not believe what you believe. Which makes it pointless and no more than a "go with jesus advertisment".
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