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Have you ever been faced with a truth you couldnt handle or understand.
Well face the facts the goverment lied about why it went into iraq.
how many lies are there about some religions
plain and simple
Buddaism(face the fact you cant get into nirvana cuz no ones perfect)
worshiping objects is also stupid cuz if the guy created them how does he live in them at the same time???
idols... how stupid can you get they cant move talk or help you
astrology (trusting in the stars ect to tell you when and how youll live or die)
lets face it you have to die. and trusting in something that was created not the creator is kinda stupid dont you think
well help me make a list of all the stupid religions that this world are making up and dont forget occults too.
and i would love fair critisism
your right because i think people wosrship stuff because their not perfect, humans al ways want to be the best and yet they feel that they are nothing if you look ad "god" (you pick one). worshipping the objects these so called perfect beings have created gives people pride because for them its a step closer to perfection. they think that worshipping some item will make that "god" see them and help then to become better. as for astrology i think its a simple fact that there some that either are afraid to believe in a god because of its perfect image. and that the stars as old as they contain some kiend of wisdom. or the simply thik that gods talk with the use of the stars.
but i dont think their are stupid religions. Live is a game and you decide with what rules you play.
Christianity isn't a "stupid" religion, but damn close. In fact any religion with a "higher" being such as Zeus, God, or Aliens (dumbass Tom Cruise) the people that believe in that crap should be lined up for a really long stooge slap. One of my once atheist friends is going through a tough time because his wife became a christian and was going to leave him unless he started believing. Because he loved her gave in and started going to church and he isn't the same person anymore. He is weak and feels he needs help to make it through the day. What he needs is a swift kick in the ass to make him wake up. Most religions are like cults, you have to act a certain way, and can't do certain things and end up changing your whole life style for a fear of burning in a lake of fire with some redman. Can something burn for forever and the fire never burn out? Does a redman with a tail and pitchfork hinder your thoughts? Yeah, if you are retarded!
Well I don't have a list of lies but a small list of contredictions in the religion:
Judasim (I'm a Jew BTW) - In the old testement it is written that Moses got the TORAH (old bible) from god it self. This fact is written somewhere in the middle of th TORAH. In the end of the TORAH Moses is not allowed to enter the land of Israel because of a small sin he did (God told him to say to the people that water would come out of a stone and Moses hit the stone to bring water out of it). Well if Moses knew the end of the story, why he still comited the sin? If he obtained from doing the sin he would go into the promissed land.
Christianity - As all know: Jesus was a jew. He was born as a jew and died as a jew. Jesus never talked about a new religion. He only wanted to "repair" the Judaism and tell jews to walk in the path of god. Christianity should be similar to judaism in all aspects - but no. Christianity has it's own sets of rules. Jews don't eat pork and don't work on Sabbath (Suturday) while christians don't obay these laws. If jesus was a jew and christians want to walk the path of Jesus - why they do just that: start eating KOSHER food adn rest on the 7th day.
Islam - the amount of contradictions is so great I don't know where to start. Lets summerize thing: Islam believes in the old bible and new bible adn the KURAN and still wants to kill all other believers.
Islam - Hey, let's go use our religion as an excuse for our terrorist goals!
Judaism - They don't believe the Messiah has come yet.
Buddism - The path to perfection through your unperfect ways. Right...
Christianity (I'm Christian) - Christ has died for your sins so you can go to heaven.
just read this and see what a strange god people worship:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments#Text_of_the_commandments
| Quote: | | I am God your Lord, a God who demands exclusive worship |
i mean come on who wants something like that?
Yeah, but *anyone* can edit Wikipedia. That's not really true. From the 10 commandments, it says "I am the Lord, your God."
And to answer the question "who wants something like that?" Well, 2.5 billion people do! And they want Heaven. They want the Salvation that God has promised us.
[quote="Ghost Face"]Buddism - The path to perfection through your unperfect ways. Right...
quote]
Other than your comment about Islam, your terse summaries are pretty trite, but this one about Buddhism has no bearing on Buddhism at all.
| itarlo wrote: | Well I don't have a list of lies but a small list of contredictions in the religion:
Judasim (I'm a Jew BTW) - In the old testement it is written that Moses got the TORAH (old bible) from god it self. This fact is written somewhere in the middle of th TORAH. In the end of the TORAH Moses is not allowed to enter the land of Israel because of a small sin he did (God told him to say to the people that water would come out of a stone and Moses hit the stone to bring water out of it). Well if Moses knew the end of the story, why he still comited the sin? If he obtained from doing the sin he would go into the promissed land.
Christianity - As all know: Jesus was a jew. He was born as a jew and died as a jew. Jesus never talked about a new religion. He only wanted to "repair" the Judaism and tell jews to walk in the path of god. Christianity should be similar to judaism in all aspects - but no. Christianity has it's own sets of rules. Jews don't eat pork and don't work on Sabbath (Suturday) while christians don't obay these laws. If jesus was a jew and christians want to walk the path of Jesus - why they do just that: start eating KOSHER food adn rest on the 7th day.
Islam - the amount of contradictions is so great I don't know where to start. Lets summerize thing: Islam believes in the old bible and new bible adn the KURAN and still wants to kill all other believers. |
just so you no the things the jews did were apart of the customs not the religion thats why christians dont follow what the jews do like the kosher ect as well as the ritual or a boy becoming a man. yes they both have the same god after them as such but remember we have our own custom way of living too and that doesnt account to making a claim of difference, also jesus said the the father is lord over the sabbath another way to put it is those things were the laws of the land not of god
| Revvion wrote: | your right because i think people wosrship stuff because their not perfect, humans al ways want to be the best and yet they feel that they are nothing if you look ad "god" (you pick one). worshipping the objects these so called perfect beings have created gives people pride because for them its a step closer to perfection. they think that worshipping some item will make that "god" see them and help then to become better. as for astrology i think its a simple fact that there some that either are afraid to believe in a god because of its perfect image. and that the stars as old as they contain some kiend of wisdom. or the simply thik that gods talk with the use of the stars.
but i dont think their are stupid religions. Live is a game and you decide with what rules you play. |
yes but that handmade object is a human made god. and is imperfect
[quote="mike1reynolds"] | Ghost Face wrote: | Buddism - The path to perfection through your unperfect ways. Right...
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...but this one about Buddhism has no bearing on Buddhism at all. |
Sure it does. All humans are imperfect. The main point of Buddhism is attaining perfection, right? So how can oneself (an imperfect human) attain perfection by their/the world's imperfect ways?
| Ghost Face wrote: | | The main point of Buddhism is attaining perfection, right? |
False. What is a perfect human? Even in abstract this is a concept with no meaning.
If I were going to come up with a superficial terse summary of Buddhism with any meaning at all it would be:
The purpose of Buddhism is to escape from the prison of reincarnation.
But even this is absurdly oversimplified.
| MYlibrarys24 wrote: | | just so you no the things the jews did were apart of the customs not the religion thats why christians dont follow what the jews do like the kosher ect as well as the ritual or a boy becoming a man. yes they both have the same god after them as such but remember we have our own custom way of living too and that doesnt account to making a claim of difference, also jesus said the the father is lord over the sabbath another way to put it is those things were the laws of the land not of god |
You are wrong or missled. Let me give you the facts:
there are jewish rituals that are a custom but there are rituals that are a given law in the bible.
Sabbath - Saving sabbath as the holy day is a command from god in the book of Genesis. it's not a custom jews made up. It is written in the bible - black upon white - "Save the holiness of the sabbath"
Bar Mitzva - A ritual that is not written in the bible and is a custom of jews.
Circumsition - A command from god to abrham in the book of Genesis. every jewish boy must be circumsised on the 8th day to his life = a symbol to the tesemont between the jewish people and god.
Kosher food - here we come to a problem. It is written clearly in the TOraah the pork is forbiden = it's a command from god not a ritual. Regarding the milk and meat there is somewhat of a problem. It is written that it is forbidden to cook a lamb in his mothers milk. Some Jews took it a bit farther and claim that eating dairy products and meat together is forbidden. This is more of a custom and not a goddly law
If you need more information about what is custom and what is the law in the jewish way of life - please ask me
One of the reasons Christian eat pork can be traced back to Acts 10 where God was showing Peter that it was okay to preach to the Gentiles using the symbolism that whatever God has cleansed, man cannot call common.
Another reason Christians don't follow old testament law is that when Christ died on the cross, the temple veil was torn down the middle, we take that to mean that the old testament laws are now more like guidelines than law. (I'm not explaining this absolutely correct, I realize that, but it's close) We use the Old and New testament to show us how we should live our life. While Jesus did state that he didn't come to destroy the law but to fulfill it, there are a couple of things that He did to change them just a little.
[quote]Mt 5:21
¶ Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mt 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mt 5:23
Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Mt 5:24
Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Mt 5:25
Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
Mt 5:26
Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
Mt 5:27
¶ Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mt 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.[/quote]
I dont think any religion is stupid. And I think there is more ignorance in thinking so, then there is in believing in one. Everyone has to have a purpose in life, a sense of belonging in direction. Otherwise you just feel lost.
Personally, I am agnostic, and I couldn't care less what each religion says. That is just me. For other people, the idea that there is an afterlife, a better place, or a way to improve themselves, is something that gives hope.
Religion tends to add morals and ethics to everyday people. It is a way to define who you are. Most people need that. Believing in something will give them hope and a sense of duty. It adds definition to life.
Who cares what each religion is founded upon. Every person has a right to believe in what they feel inside themselves. If it is Bhuddism, Islam, or Christianity, it shouldn't matter. Everyone has their own ideas and beliefs, thats what makes the world great. Its a shame that there is so much hatred about it though.
If you wan't except what others believe in, then why the hell should we except what you believe in?
| HoboBarticus wrote: | Everyone has to have a purpose in life, a sense of belonging in direction. Otherwise you just feel lost.
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Like i said, Live is a game and you decide with what rules you play.
| itarlo wrote: | | MYlibrarys24 wrote: | | just so you no the things the jews did were apart of the customs not the religion thats why christians dont follow what the jews do like the kosher ect as well as the ritual or a boy becoming a man. yes they both have the same god after them as such but remember we have our own custom way of living too and that doesnt account to making a claim of difference, also jesus said the the father is lord over the sabbath another way to put it is those things were the laws of the land not of god |
You are wrong or missled. Let me give you the facts:
there are jewish rituals that are a custom but there are rituals that are a given law in the bible.
Sabbath - Saving sabbath as the holy day is a command from god in the book of Genesis. it's not a custom jews made up. It is written in the bible - black upon white - "Save the holiness of the sabbath"
Bar Mitzva - A ritual that is not written in the bible and is a custom of jews.
Circumsition - A command from god to abrham in the book of Genesis. every jewish boy must be circumsised on the 8th day to his life = a symbol to the tesemont between the jewish people and god.
Kosher food - here we come to a problem. It is written clearly in the TOraah the pork is forbiden = it's a command from god not a ritual. Regarding the milk and meat there is somewhat of a problem. It is written that it is forbidden to cook a lamb in his mothers milk. Some Jews took it a bit farther and claim that eating dairy products and meat together is forbidden. This is more of a custom and not a goddly law
If you need more information about what is custom and what is the law in the jewish way of life - please ask me |
yes i agree with wot youve said but the actual point i was trying to make was that these rituals and or customs that some christains are doing today are no longer apart of gods promises or the way in which we are saved by him. the sacrifices were only temporary and a few of the others were to keep the poeple clean so god could be with them. the lambs and bulls were still imperfect and jesus was the PERFECT sacrifice so these other things are no longer needed,(from the book of john "no one comes to the father but through me" this is were the faith that abraham and the other great prophets had(that was why they were great cuz they had faith in god) and its still the same only by our faith are we doing wot god commands of us not the rituals or any custom.
| HoboBarticus wrote: | I dont think any religion is stupid. And I think there is more ignorance in thinking so, then there is in believing in one. Everyone has to have a purpose in life, a sense of belonging in direction. Otherwise you just feel lost.
Personally, I am agnostic, and I couldn't care less what each religion says. That is just me. For other people, the idea that there is an afterlife, a better place, or a way to improve themselves, is something that gives hope.
Religion tends to add morals and ethics to everyday people. It is a way to define who you are. Most people need that. Believing in something will give them hope and a sense of duty. It adds definition to life.
Who cares what each religion is founded upon. Every person has a right to believe in what they feel inside themselves. If it is Bhuddism, Islam, or Christianity, it shouldn't matter. Everyone has their own ideas and beliefs, thats what makes the world great. Its a shame that there is so much hatred about it though.
If you wan't except what others believe in, then why the hell should we except what you believe in? |
theres no need to be like that i was only putting that up as to get people to have a good think about wot is going on in the world i have no hatred wotso ever toward any religon.
however it doesnt stop me from being apaulled at some of the things some groups do the the free masons
here are some links on this occult. many people are mislead all the time its time to stop it
http://www.ephesians5-11.org/public_consumption.htm
http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Lodge.html
http://www.godonthe.net/cme/links/masons.htm
While I profess my faith in one religion, I try to respect and understand other religions. To me, this seems to be a bit of a bashing place for religion. I'm not so sure I like it too much.
Keep believing, but don't be arrogant.
| HoboBarticus wrote: | I dont think any religion is stupid. And I think there is more ignorance in thinking so, then there is in believing in one. Everyone has to have a purpose in life, a sense of belonging in direction. Otherwise you just feel lost.
Personally, I am agnostic, and I couldn't care less what each religion says. That is just me. For other people, the idea that there is an afterlife, a better place, or a way to improve themselves, is something that gives hope.
Religion tends to add morals and ethics to everyday people. It is a way to define who you are. Most people need that. Believing in something will give them hope and a sense of duty. It adds definition to life.
Who cares what each religion is founded upon. Every person has a right to believe in what they feel inside themselves. If it is Bhuddism, Islam, or Christianity, it shouldn't matter. Everyone has their own ideas and beliefs, thats what makes the world great. Its a shame that there is so much hatred about it though.
If you wan't except what others believe in, then why the hell should we except what you believe in? |
Thank you.
I am reading all these religious discussions on this and other topics for a while. The views presented by all of you are very diverse and sometimes contradictory. Most of the people seemed to me as atheist or nonbelievers or 'casual believers'  but at the same time quite open minded while some people as deeply religious but at the same time quite obstinate about their views and ideas.
Can someone explain why this is so? Is there some kinda brainwashing when you practice a religion that you stop being open minded and logical?
| amicalindia wrote: | I am reading all these religious discussions on this and other topics for a while. The views presented by all of you are very diverse and sometimes contradictory. Most of the people seemed to me as atheist or nonbelievers or 'casual believers' but at the same time quite open minded while some people as deeply religious but at the same time quite obstinate about their views and ideas.
Can someone explain why this is so? Is there some kinda brainwashing when you practice a religion that you stop being open minded and logical? |
Hello well some people are straight out like that and its not the religion that does it (othough ther are some that do brainwash) but people use these convictions to release on their personality so there for if they are not open minded they will still not be open minded unless some big change happens. some of these arrogant people have religions. Well thats probably not entirily true but does give you a good idea on how some people are ticking. there are religions that express a need to be narrow minded like the Muslum faith and youll find that some jewish teachers are very narrow minded. this i found out from a biblogrphy of a Jew. Umm well i try not to let these narrow people keep there point especally if their wrong. i myself dont practice a religion but have a resonably adiquate knowlege of the most common religions practiced today. There is Christianity which expresses only to be on the narrow path but no point does it express at all about being narrow of mind it expresses the opossite .
oh and just to include...some people are just out there with a narrow view they support despite all fact or opposition. bit ;like evolution. there is absolutly no facts or discoverys that prove evolution however there is plenty of basic facts that prove it could never happen
| amicalindia wrote: | | Most of the people seemed to me as atheist or nonbelievers or 'casual believers' Wink but at the same time quite open minded while some people as deeply religious but at the same time quite obstinate about their views and ideas. Can someone explain why this is so? Is there some kinda brainwashing when you practice a religion that you stop being open minded and logical? |
I think personality defintely has some effects, but I also think there is a deeper problem. All of this is from my personal experience, which I've seen repeated in other people's experiences.
When I was growing up, I learned to ask questions about everything, except deep questions about God/Christanity. Of course one or two clarification questions were considered ok by the church authorities, but question the answers they give you and your whole faith gets placed into question and then you're "in danger of going to hell", and as a good little christian you wouldn't want that, so you go with thier answer. Don't get me wrong, I don't think this is something that is being done on purpose to brainwash people, at least not in every instance I've seen some televanglist that seem to be doing so. Luckily, this type of teaching/mentality is disapating, but its not totally gone. I was at a church recently where a few conversations with people lead me to believe that it was going on there.
| Soulfire wrote: | While I profess my faith in one religion, I try to respect and understand other religions. To me, this seems to be a bit of a bashing place for religion. I'm not so sure I like it too much.
Keep believing, but don't be arrogant. |
I agree with you here. While the religious points of view expressed are often set in stone, I do not get the kind of argument twisting of my own statements from religious people that I tend to get from some atheists. It is one thing to have an intrasigent opinion, it is quite something else to distort an opponent's arguments in a debate and perpetually take them out of context.
| a_dubDesign wrote: | | amicalindia wrote: | | Most of the people seemed to me as atheist or nonbelievers or 'casual believers' Wink but at the same time quite open minded while some people as deeply religious but at the same time quite obstinate about their views and ideas. Can someone explain why this is so? Is there some kinda brainwashing when you practice a religion that you stop being open minded and logical? |
I think personality defintely has some effects, but I also think there is a deeper problem. All of this is from my personal experience, which I've seen repeated in other people's experiences.
When I was growing up, I learned to ask questions about everything, except deep questions about God/Christanity. Of course one or two clarification questions were considered ok by the church authorities, but question the answers they give you and your whole faith gets placed into question and then you're "in danger of going to hell", and as a good little christian you wouldn't want that, so you go with thier answer. Don't get me wrong, I don't think this is something that is being done on purpose to brainwash people, at least not in every instance I've seen some televanglist that seem to be doing so. Luckily, this type of teaching/mentality is disapating, but its not totally gone. I was at a church recently where a few conversations with people lead me to believe that it was going on there. |
Come to our church, your questions would be welcome. We like those hard questions. If you lived close enough, I would set you up with my father-in-law. He likes to teach and he loves questions, it proves that the person is thinking not just taking what he says at face value.
hehe quite fun ya.. in fact I like Buddha teaaching .
maybe Sirdata Gautama is a smart guy and already consider that long before 2500 years ago. waakakakhahahha
that's right. that's mision impossible to being perfert. ^_^
good job. I never think of that waaakakaka.
Debates like these are the reasons that I decided I'll make my own religion which really won't be a religion at all.  Religions have too many rules and cause a lot of fighting. Not worth it.
| Ghost Face wrote: | Islam - Hey, let's go use our religion as an excuse for our terrorist goals!
Judaism - They don't believe the Messiah has come yet.
Buddism - The path to perfection through your unperfect ways. Right...
Christianity (I'm Christian) - Christ has died for your sins so you can go to heaven. |
LOL please man.. Terrorist's this and Terrorist's that, you guy's are like so stupid. Im a Muslim myself and all like seriously, Suicide Bombing's in our religion is a Sin it isn't right, i don't know why people do it but it's a sin. Alright, You have to read the Quran to know our things, Islam Stands For Peace. It's Like this... If Cousin is a dickhead does that make you one? Lemme Guess your answer would certainly be "NO". Then why if 1 Terrorist does something, Why do the rest of Islam have to suffer, In the quran is states:"Make Peace With the Non-Believers, Be Their Friends, Do Not Hate, Islam Means PEACE". so thats what i got to say so far... Islam have alot of miracles i can post pictures of them up but it will take ages..
As for Christianity, it's wierd how JESUS (our prophet) died for you guys to go to heaven but then it's wierd how the CHRISTIAN'S killed him as well? but the thing is.. Jesus isn't dead, that's what muslims believe in.
ask questions if you want know more
ok u guy mast realy think thats it muslims are terrerest man as ramo said i will give u muslim sites u no what i will send sites that talk about terresim and what islam has to say
www.uma.org.au
http://www.fcusd.k12.ca.us/chsweb/Webstaff/BarakatIslam/iow.htmlhttp://abujasir.tripod.com/
terrerisom is not allowed in islam look any person out there who belives that islam is terreresiom and jihad is terresiom learn arabic jihad means to struggel also one question if islam dose allow terresiom then y dose it not allow war unless we are fighting in self defence and y is it forbiden for muslims to cut trees in war or to kill young and old and females it is even forbiden in islam that if a person is not fighting u the u r not allowed to fight them so even if a male and is of the other side (lik there city) we r not allowed to kill him less he fights with that army look im not gonna say anything abnoxsios bout other religions but i do know wat im talk about
im out
So how do you account for the millions who died in the Iran/Iraq war, or the slaughter that is going on now in Iraq between Shiites and Sunnis? I was listening to a report on NPR where the translator read a message spray painted on a nearby wall, "Shiites are athesits and it is OK to kill them." Clearly your religion is behind most of the murders in Iraq.
dude ur blaming the religion couse of others ignorants and stupidity look when it comes right down to it u where watching american new's figers man australian new's aint even half as censored as american how the hell u u its not censored or somethin like i mean ur saying thatthats it all muslims are evil due to 1% its like saying that i sould hate all jews couse thay are killing my muslim brothers in palestine/israil but i dont
You want to twist my statements into all sorts of negative generalizations that I'm not making. I have never said that all Muslims are bad and support terrorism. But they are brainwashed and willing to believe any distorted negative thing about non-Muslims who are critical of Islam, as you are doing with me right now, and about any non-Muslims country in general.
What I've said is that the Qur'an encourages religious bigotry. While most Muslims are opposed to terrorism, never the less by far the greatest amount of religious terrorism is done by Muslims. When it comes to political terrorism, Columbia is the capitol. But when it comes to religious terrorism, the Middle East is the capitol.
As to censorship, there is no censorship in America, except of profanity (there are 7 words that can’t be spoken on the air). What has happened is that due to the Republicans control of congress the restrictions on media ownership have been lifted and virtually all media outlets are owned by 6 corporations, one of which is owned by an Australian. The government has virtually no power to censor here, but we do get news that is heavily slanted from a business perspective. We don’t hear things that the commercial sponsors, big corporations, don’t want us to hear. That is why I listen to publicly funded, commercial free, independent news: KPFK.org. I also listen to NPR.org.
By contrast, in Iran you can’t write or even speak about the Holocaust. That is a level of censorship that could never even remotely be implemented in this country.
dude look this what im syong lik man ur in ameriaca whereas im in australia ok now i dont no what u see but what i see is muslims been harrased as terrerost i copted a lectuer by someone about it also heared stories of muslim woman getting it due ti whereing the scarf lik comon man u tell me what do u expect lik look dud nowing the way u think i hope u no that when i say wallah i mean it couse wallah i no there are so many non muslims out there how dont thibk all muslims are terrerost
and as for censorship dude there is cencorship ameriac australia all the same lik i mean thay did it during the time of the vitnam war y souldnt thay do it now it lik thay say the half truth
| Ghost Face wrote: | Islam - Hey, let's go use our religion as an excuse for our terrorist goals!
Judaism - They don't believe the Messiah has come yet.
Buddism - The path to perfection through your unperfect ways. Right...
Christianity (I'm Christian) - Christ has died for your sins so you can go to heaven. |
Lol, Muslim's use their religion as an excuse for terrorism, Go read the Quran first then come and talk. omg! people talk out of thir asses these days.
| RaMo wrote: | | Ghost Face wrote: | Islam - Hey, let's go use our religion as an excuse for our terrorist goals!
Judaism - They don't believe the Messiah has come yet.
Buddism - The path to perfection through your unperfect ways. Right...
Christianity (I'm Christian) - Christ has died for your sins so you can go to heaven. |
LOL please man.. Terrorist's this and Terrorist's that, you guy's are like so stupid. Im a Muslim myself and all like seriously, Suicide Bombing's in our religion is a Sin it isn't right, i don't know why people do it but it's a sin. Alright, You have to read the Quran to know our things, Islam Stands For Peace. It's Like this... If Cousin is a dickhead does that make you one? Lemme Guess your answer would certainly be "NO". Then why if 1 Terrorist does something, Why do the rest of Islam have to suffer, In the quran is states:"Make Peace With the Non-Believers, Be Their Friends, Do Not Hate, Islam Means PEACE". so thats what i got to say so far... Islam have alot of miracles i can post pictures of them up but it will take ages..
As for Christianity, it's wierd how JESUS (our prophet) died for you guys to go to heaven but then it's wierd how the CHRISTIAN'S killed him as well? but the thing is.. Jesus isn't dead, that's what muslims believe in.
ask questions if you want know more |
Christians didn't kill Jesus, the Jews are the ones that were willing to have him crusified. The term Christian didn't come into play until after Christ was killed and rose from the grave. It means "Christ like".
Also, Christians don't think he is dead either. He's alive!
ppl yes the jews did soposedly kill jesus but u also just said he aint dead
| Quote: | Christians didn't kill Jesus, the Jews are the ones that were willing to have him crusified
Also, Christians don't think he is dead either. He's alive! |
man sorry 2 say but sounds pritty contreversal also y would god have a child in the 1st place you see humans have a family for one reson for a happy life u no confer and the rest of it (i belive in god and that god is perfect so do cristans) y then if u belive god is perfect then y would god need tthere emotions 2 each other and god dont need any of thosehese things also humans in my oppinion humans have sex for 2 resons couse there horny buggers or couse or couse there emotions to one another and god dont need any of that
| mike1reynolds wrote: | | So how do you account for the millions who died in the Iran/Iraq war, or the slaughter that is going on now in Iraq between Shiites and Sunnis? I was listening to a report on NPR where the translator read a message spray painted on a nearby wall, "Shiites are athesits and it is OK to kill them." Clearly your religion is behind most of the murders in Iraq. |
I think that you really have to take into account that what you hear or see in the news is usually done by a few very vocal or very violent people. After all what makes better news, a group of terrorists which identify themselves as Islamic or millions of islamic people that live their lives peacefully in accordence with their beliefs? Who gets the most attention, the small group of vocal Christians fronted by a televangelist that spews out hatred and damnation, or millions of Christians that quetly read their Bible and practice the kind of Christianity that Jesus actually taught?
When you hear anything at all about a group of people it is usually because they are doing something wrong. That does not mean that everyone that shares the same religion even approves of what that group is doing. I remember that when I was younger I seriously thought that the Troubles in Ireland were really between Protestant and Catholics because that was the way the groups were identified in the news. Then I actually learned that religion had nothing to do with the problems in Ireland at all. The problems were between native Irish folks who were mostly Catholic and the decendents of their English conquerors who were mostly Protestant. Protestant and Catholic was just a handy if slightly erronious, and highly misleading way to identify the two sides.
The simple fact is that a lot of people will have axes to grind. They will identify themselves with a large group of people and try to justify their hates, grudges, and prejudice through that group. They will often find other people in those groups that have the same hates, grudges, and prejudice and band together. That does not mean that the entire large group as a whole belives in the same way or even approves the actions of that smaller group. It would be like saying that I, as a southern white man with british, and german ancestory, am member, have sympathy for, or approve of the actions of the Klu Klux Klan, and the American Nazi Party. That just isn't working. That assumption is so wrong, and so is your assumption that because there are a few militant Moslems running around blowing themselves up and killing school children that all of Islam is the same way, approves of such actions, or even has any sympathy for such losers. Then again the news that the majority of Iraqis or Iranians would really like to live out their lives in peace and all this hassle would just go away isn't all that news worthy. I think maybe the reporters over there assume that that would be a given for any thinking person who knows better then to overly generalize.
Islam - Pig (pork) is not 'halal' to eat that Allah have said.
I think this is one of lies, maybe Mohamed SAW hate the Pig not Allah.
after all Allah have create it also.
| Quote: | Islam - Pig (pork) is not 'halal' to eat that Allah have said.
I think this is one of lies, maybe Mohamed SAW hate the Pig not Allah.
after all Allah have create it also. |
hust Allah, God whatevr commanded ADAM and EVE the good lord had forbiden us from eating pork also theres more then that one reason Go had forbiden us things such as u ready ok
pork skin is the closest to human
pork= to pig, pigs eat there own thelt
last but not lest thay are a couse of canser (this i heard from some where not to shore but)
| mike1reynolds wrote: | | So how do you account for the millions who died in the Iran/Iraq war, or the slaughter that is going on now in Iraq between Shiites and Sunnis? I was listening to a report on NPR where the translator read a message spray painted on a nearby wall, "Shiites are athesits and it is OK to kill them." Clearly your religion is behind most of the murders in Iraq. |
Because as we all know, the Crusades never happened, the Inquisition was just a myth, the Huguenots were loved all the time, ect. Hell, the old rivalry between the Irish and the English have no bearings regaurding religion at all. Protestants and Catholics just love eachother.
Every religion has a violent streak. If it were a few hundred years ago, the Muslims were the ones with peace and prosperity, cooperating with other religions against the zealous and murderous Christian hordes.
| Tex_Arcana wrote: | | mike1reynolds wrote: | | So how do you account for the millions who died in the Iran/Iraq war, or the slaughter that is going on now in Iraq between Shiites and Sunnis? I was listening to a report on NPR where the translator read a message spray painted on a nearby wall, "Shiites are athesits and it is OK to kill them." Clearly your religion is behind most of the murders in Iraq. |
I think that you really have to take into account that what you hear or see in the news is usually done by a few very vocal or very violent people. After all what makes better news, a group of terrorists which identify themselves as Islamic or millions of islamic people that live their lives peacefully in accordence with their beliefs? Who gets the most attention, the small group of vocal Christians fronted by a televangelist that spews out hatred and damnation, or millions of Christians that quetly read their Bible and practice the kind of Christianity that Jesus actually taught?
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The religious bigotry of fundamentalist Christians is, as you correctly point out, a distortion of what is actually in the Bible. The religious bigotry of Muslims comes straight from the Qur’an. It is not a product of misinterpretation, and so religious bigotry is universal among Muslims, and not confined to certain extremist sects as it is in Christianity.
The simple fact is that a lot of people will have axes to grind. They will identify themselves with a large group of people and try to justify their hates, grudges, and prejudice through that group. They will often find other people in those groups that have the same hates, grudges, and prejudice and band together. That does not mean that the entire large group as a whole belives in the same way or even approves the actions of that smaller group. It would be like saying that I, as a southern white man with british, and german ancestory, am member, have sympathy for, or approve of the actions of the Klu Klux Klan, and the American Nazi Party. That just isn't working. That assumption is so wrong, and so is your assumption that because there are a few militant Moslems running around blowing themselves up and killing school children that all of Islam is the same way, approves of such actions, or even has any sympathy for such losers.
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I am arguing against things which ALL Muslims believe because the Qur’an says so. As the Muslims here all know, I spent 4 years reading the Qur’an. That is what my argument is primarily focused on.
| Lord Kuat wrote: | | mike1reynolds wrote: | | So how do you account for the millions who died in the Iran/Iraq war, or the slaughter that is going on now in Iraq between Shiites and Sunnis? I was listening to a report on NPR where the translator read a message spray painted on a nearby wall, "Shiites are athesits and it is OK to kill them." Clearly your religion is behind most of the murders in Iraq. |
Because as we all know, the Crusades never happened, the Inquisition was just a myth, the Huguenots were loved all the time, ect. Hell, the old rivalry between the Irish and the English have no bearings regaurding religion at all. Protestants and Catholics just love eachother.
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Christianity certainly has a barbaric streak in it, but it has managed to become more modern and civilized. Islam by contrast can’t democratize. The best examples are Egypt and Turkey, which are far from being models of democracy. I would argue that the roots of this can be found very clearly in the Qur’an, but you would have to read the book for my criticism of it to have any meaning.
| Lord Kuat wrote: | Every religion has a violent streak. If it were a few hundred years ago, the Muslims were the ones with peace and prosperity, cooperating with other religions against the zealous and murderous Christian hordes.
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Actually, you have to go back a lot more than a few hundred years. In the late first millennium Arabia was the most advanced place in the Western would because it had benefited from the presence of Roman Empire but was not adversely affected by its fall.
As to other religions, only Jews, Christians and Muslims mix war and religion. No other living religion on the planet does this (although the Aztecs use to). Similarly, no other religion has terms for us vs. them, but in Western religions you are either Jew or gentile, Christian or heathen, Muslim or infidel.
mike realy liked wat u said realy intresting
the quran diffrent issue the only proof u ever gave me was one that u had personly interpertated soooo  personly i dont even no if u no y, how, where and when
anyway u r right when u say muslims vs infedels or jews vs gentlas etc
altought this is true all 3 of these religions belive that war is only for the spread of the word or deffence mohommed(saws) was alwas deffence
mike personal Q what is the diffeence between zen and buddisem
| mike1reynolds wrote: |
Christianity certainly has a barbaric streak in it, but it has managed to become more modern and civilized. Islam by contrast can’t democratize. The best examples are Egypt and Turkey, which are far from being models of democracy. I would argue that the roots of this can be found very clearly in the Qur’an, but you would have to read the book for my criticism of it to have any meaning. |
The old testament has the Jews almost marauding around the claim their holy land, essentially slaughtering the occupants to every man, woman, and child. That hasn't stopped them, IMO, from being comparatively peaceful to the other two religions. Every book of religion has a bit of fire in it, but can be interpreted in different ways. I think your logic is flawed in that regard, in that just because the Qur'an is written that way causes the people to act in turn.
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Actually, you have to go back a lot more than a few hundred years. In the late first millennium Arabia was the most advanced place in the Western would because it had benefited from the presence of Roman Empire but was not adversely affected by its fall.
As to other religions, only Jews, Christians and Muslims mix war and religion. No other living religion on the planet does this (although the Aztecs use to). Similarly, no other religion has terms for us vs. them, but in Western religions you are either Jew or gentile, Christian or heathen, Muslim or infidel. |
The middle east had been in a much better situation as recently as until the fall of the Ottoman Empire; over a millennium is being grossly unfair. Like any culture, they had their ups and downs, but now it's a rather profound difference considering recent developments in the west. We've experienced a huge leap, while many others have not shared in that. But before that, they were still by and large a respectable power.
It's only due to the recent changes in western culture that one may see them as less developed; before this they did not lag as far being. Indeed, with their strategic position where trade routes of east and west went through, it's only natural for cultural exchange to occur.
As for your last point... yeah, I agree? Although you seem to, you know, overestimate your own knowledge when you say No other living religion on the planet does this. But let's say you're right. So what?
| death_dealer wrote: | mike personal Q what is the diffeence between zen and buddisem
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Zen Buddhism is a combination of Buddhism and Taoism. That is why it is superior to most other forms of Buddhism, this synthesis makes it richer and more powerful.
| death_dealer wrote: | anyway u r right when u say muslims vs infedels or jews vs gentlas etc
altought this is true all 3 of these religions belive that war is only for the spread of the word or deffence mohommed(saws) was alwas deffence
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But Christianity and Judaism can be a part of a broader more powerful synthesis of religions just as Buddhism and Taoism can. Islam, on the other hand, fundamentally sets itself as being in total opposition to all other religions. It is impossible to create a synthesis of Islam with any other religion without invalidating huge chunks of the Qur’an.
My whole emphasis in comparative religion is to try and create a synthesis, so I am extremely impressed with how easily every other religion can be fitted together. Only Islam is fundamentally incompatible with such a synthesis. It is totally different from all other religions in this automatic exclusion of all other religions specified explicitly in scripture.
| Lord Kuat wrote: | | mike1reynolds wrote: | | Christianity certainly has a barbaric streak in it, but it has managed to become more modern and civilized. Islam by contrast can’t democratize. The best examples are Egypt and Turkey, which are far from being models of democracy. I would argue that the roots of this can be found very clearly in the Qur’an, but you would have to read the book for my criticism of it to have any meaning. |
The old testament has the Jews almost marauding around the claim their holy land, essentially slaughtering the occupants to every man, woman, and child. That hasn't stopped them, IMO, from being comparatively peaceful to the other two religions. Every book of religion has a bit of fire in it, but can be interpreted in different ways. I think your logic is flawed in that regard, in that just because the Qur'an is written that way causes the people to act in turn.
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That is not entirely correct, when they slaughtered everyone it was their own who had turned to idol worshiping. They were not so harsh on others, but war is always bloody and they had some pretty ugly neighbors.
| Lord Kuat wrote: | As for your last point... yeah, I agree? Although you seem to, you know, overestimate your own knowledge when you say No other living religion on the planet does this. But let's say you're right. So what?
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Since you would assume that Mohammed was insane rather than accept at face value that he was actually approached by an entity who dictated the Qur’an too him, then it would mean nothing to you. But if you believe that Mohammed was sane then this expression of religious bigotry explicitly in scripture is clearly not angelic, and so unavoidably it is the it’s opposite.
Actually, you were referring to the us vs. them language of Judeo-Christian religions. Clearly you know nothing about Eastern religions because this notion is completely anathema to Eastern religions. But the point is that there is a progression of bigotry in Judeo-Christianity. Jews were the chosen race, Jewish supremacists. Christianity turned to anti-Semitism very early on. So the stage was ripe to up the ante of bigotry with Islam in the third generation of the religion.
once again mike i ask your proof
also you oppinon on making a range of religons that means what you are doing if courpted for what you are doin is impuring the religion thats why islam cannot do that for islam is pure it is like a white cloth that dose not fit with other colours
p.s thanks abou the info
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