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Should the US kill Hugo Chavez?
Hugo Chavez is a modern Fidel Castro. He hasn't embraced socialism as much as Castro (yet) , but he is on his way to nationalizing most of the Venezuelan economy. Perhaps he is on his way to becoming the next president for life as well.
He has nationalized the media (no more CNN or Fox news!), increased taxes on oil companies, and is mobilizing the people in case of a possible US subversion (by US invasion or by Colombian right-wing death squads).
What's your take on Hugo Chavez? Should the CIA tell the Venezulan people what's in their interest? Should the US keep playing the role of daddy warbucks by backing whatever brutal dictatorship that supports US companies?
He has nationalized the media (no more CNN or Fox news!), increased taxes on oil companies, and is mobilizing the people in case of a possible US subversion (by US invasion or by Colombian right-wing death squads).
What's your take on Hugo Chavez? Should the CIA tell the Venezulan people what's in their interest? Should the US keep playing the role of daddy warbucks by backing whatever brutal dictatorship that supports US companies?
You can't justify killing anyone, really. No matter what they do... it's sort of "sinking to their level" and committing the same crime as they did to kill them. But I don't like the man. Sounds sort of like what happened in Argentina around 60 years ago with the Peron presidency.
I must agree with Soulfire, there can be no justification for outright murder in any fashion. Just for the record I don't believe killing in a time of war is murder....I guess that makes me a hypocrite 
I also agree that death in war is not murder, so it is relatively hypocritical, but I still don't agree (generally) with war.
| Soulfire wrote: |
| I also agree that death in war is not murder, so it is relatively hypocritical, but I still don't agree (generally) with war. |
Niether do I Soulfire, but war still happens none-the-less. As long as people have differing viewpoints, fights are going to happen. Unfortunatly for the soldiers involved. May God Bless them and protect them, and that goes for both sides...my hypocricy (sp?) only extends so far.
i don't think US should kill him...Because he is reall proudy and he belive his ideas and nobody could block him...He is a great leader i think.He doesn't like emparialism and i also don't like so we are very closer...IF US kill him i will fight with Bush 
You aren't the only one who wants to fight Bush....many US Citizens feel the same way.
USA gives itself the right to kill any one
and destroy everthing
it makes itself the GOD of the earth
do everthing and kill and destroy
who gives it this right
begining of vitinam
afganstan
iraq
iran
n.korea
venziula
who know
and destroy everthing
it makes itself the GOD of the earth
do everthing and kill and destroy
who gives it this right
begining of vitinam
afganstan
iraq
iran
n.korea
venziula
who know
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| USA gives itself the right to kill any one
and destroy everthing it makes itself the GOD of the earth do everthing and kill and destroy who gives it this right begining of vitinam afganstan iraq iran n.korea venziula who know |
Now there's a minute of my life I'll never get back. Thank you for your insight....it'll make me sleep better. I never said the US was right or justified in thier actions....read more, don't just skim the topics.
Someone has to be the world police. The U.S. could draw out of everyone's affairs, but then everyone would blow each other up and this planet would be so full of radiation it would be uninhabitable for thousands of years.
The U.S. acts as an arbitrator, someone who mediates. Sorry if you don't agree with it, but you're not in the white house, so I guess it's not up to you eh?
The U.S. acts as an arbitrator, someone who mediates. Sorry if you don't agree with it, but you're not in the white house, so I guess it's not up to you eh?
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| Someone has to be the world police. The U.S. could draw out of everyone's affairs, but then everyone would blow each other up and this planet would be so full of radiation it would be uninhabitable for thousands of years.
The U.S. acts as an arbitrator, someone who mediates. Sorry if you don't agree with it, but you're not in the white house, so I guess it's not up to you eh? |
But who or what gives us (the US) the right to act as the "worlds police"? Don't other countries have the right to act out thier own policies without interferience from the US? We all have the right to chose, and the US has no right to impose it's policies (right or wrong) on other peoples or nations.
I'm sorry Soulfire, I can't agree with you on this topic.
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| Soulfire
Someone has to be the world police. The U.S. could draw out of everyone's affairs, but then everyone would blow each other up and this planet would be so full of radiation it would be uninhabitable for thousands of years. The U.S. acts as an arbitrator, someone who mediates. Sorry if you don't agree with it, but you're not in the white house, so I guess it's not up to you eh? |
That is so right, Someone has to take the leadership, how ever that someone has to have a clean reputation, must not act partially and of course not looking at its own interest. That would make a fair world police. I think we already have one which is the UN, countries should give it more power so this could be the real world police.
And the thing about Hugo Chavez, why do not ask the poeple from Venezuela if they want their president killed??
Sounds a bit like world dictatorship to me....but who am I, I just fight the wars my country starts (101st Airborne, 5th Special Forces Group, Special Action Leader @ The JFK Special Warfare Center...been there, done that, for 14 years). Maybe you would have a differant outlook when someone is shooting at you.
| cbf-cma wrote: |
| Hugo Chavez is a modern Fidel Castro. He hasn't embraced socialism as much as Castro (yet) , but he is on his way to nationalizing most of the Venezuelan economy. Perhaps he is on his way to becoming the next president for life as well.
He has nationalized the media (no more CNN or Fox news!), increased taxes on oil companies, and is mobilizing the people in case of a possible US subversion (by US invasion or by Colombian right-wing death squads). What's your take on Hugo Chavez? Should the CIA tell the Venezulan people what's in their interest? Should the US keep playing the role of daddy warbucks by backing whatever brutal dictatorship that supports US companies? |
Please, please tell me you're being sarcastic. I can't honestly belive that any american could think all of that. At least, not without beliving something else, like, "It's in the interests of god" or whatever crap excuse they're using now.
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| But who or what gives us (the US) the right to act as the "worlds police"? Don't other countries have the right to act out thier own policies without interferience from the US? We all have the right to chose, and the US has no right to impose it's policies (right or wrong) on other peoples or nations.
I'm sorry Soulfire, I can't agree with you on this topic. |
Nobody gives anyone rights in this world, you have to take what you can get. The United States, being a superpower, has the responsibility. And nobody is (or should be) stopping other countries who want to arbitrate and mediate.
What can we say? We just don't like sitting back and watching the world destroy each other, so we try and stop it. I am not saying every single thing we do is right, because nothing if infallible (save God).
What happens if we give Iran the "choice" of nuclear energy/weapons. Who's to say they won't blast every other country in the world? There's just certain risks the United States doesn't want to take.
By Jove, ABSOLUTELY NOT
What the hell does the US think of itself?
You cant just kill a guy like him and get away with that, friends.
Whole Latin America, not to say other countries and terrorists and guerillas and others will rise to rebellion after that, and US certainly cant take that
(As if US is not ****** enough by the terrorists already)
Bush can do it. But it is not he who will suffer
It is America. Nobody cares a damn if he gets blown off after his term
But such a event can give a long lasting repercussion and only the terrorist activities will intensify.
If that happens, US might very well turn into another Iraq.
I think IF bush had any brains(which almost everybody is convinced he doesnt have) he would not do such a crazy thing to endanger america's future.
What the hell does the US think of itself?
You cant just kill a guy like him and get away with that, friends.
Whole Latin America, not to say other countries and terrorists and guerillas and others will rise to rebellion after that, and US certainly cant take that
(As if US is not ****** enough by the terrorists already)
Bush can do it. But it is not he who will suffer
It is America. Nobody cares a damn if he gets blown off after his term
But such a event can give a long lasting repercussion and only the terrorist activities will intensify.
If that happens, US might very well turn into another Iraq.
I think IF bush had any brains(which almost everybody is convinced he doesnt have) he would not do such a crazy thing to endanger america's future.
A good deal of the mis (representation) that the current US government enjoys (and exploits) stems from the 9.11 attack and the way Americans (me included) rallied around their President.
I was so convinced that Bush was going to be thoughtful in his approach to the situation when he held the ecumenical memorial service in Washington, D.C. All of the major faiths were represented, and I was truly moved by it.
However, once the attacks in Afghanistan began to subside and the Taliban government fell, I (like most of the world) was surprised by the speedy effort with which the Bush Administration made such a shoddy & hasty case against Hussein and proceeded ahead. The Administration thought (wrongly) that we had given them carte blanche to do whatever they willed. Now, the world press has rightfully condemned the ludricrous way in which we built the case for war in Iraq.
Hopefully, we will recover from our misdeeds, and I believe we will. The American people, like most, are basically good people who can be duped as well as anyone. And I like a previous poster was a career soldier who got out just last year. So, I hope my perspective on this is valid...
Great posts so far... let's keep it up...
I was so convinced that Bush was going to be thoughtful in his approach to the situation when he held the ecumenical memorial service in Washington, D.C. All of the major faiths were represented, and I was truly moved by it.
However, once the attacks in Afghanistan began to subside and the Taliban government fell, I (like most of the world) was surprised by the speedy effort with which the Bush Administration made such a shoddy & hasty case against Hussein and proceeded ahead. The Administration thought (wrongly) that we had given them carte blanche to do whatever they willed. Now, the world press has rightfully condemned the ludricrous way in which we built the case for war in Iraq.
Hopefully, we will recover from our misdeeds, and I believe we will. The American people, like most, are basically good people who can be duped as well as anyone. And I like a previous poster was a career soldier who got out just last year. So, I hope my perspective on this is valid...
Great posts so far... let's keep it up...
Sorry cbf-cma, I got off on a tangent, but you can probably tell where I'm going. Of course, I cannot condone the assassination of Hugo Chavez by the U.S.
However, it is fair, in the realm of international political discourse, to ENCOURAGE the overthrow of Chavez IF (and that's a big IF) the Venezuelan people believe that is their ONLY reasonable choice. Time will tell, but I think that the U.S. and Britain sometimes create the desire of opposition in the people BEFORE finding adequate replacement officials, thus the cycle of replacing one evil for another.
I hope we as a nation learn to be mere advisors to the world rather than manipulators. Our leadership in the world would be much more respected if we did.
However, it is fair, in the realm of international political discourse, to ENCOURAGE the overthrow of Chavez IF (and that's a big IF) the Venezuelan people believe that is their ONLY reasonable choice. Time will tell, but I think that the U.S. and Britain sometimes create the desire of opposition in the people BEFORE finding adequate replacement officials, thus the cycle of replacing one evil for another.
I hope we as a nation learn to be mere advisors to the world rather than manipulators. Our leadership in the world would be much more respected if we did.
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| Please, please tell me you're being sarcastic. I can't honestly belive that any american could think all of that. At least, not without beliving something else, like, "It's in the interests of god" or whatever crap excuse they're using now. -Suntzu |
Suntzu,
Of course I was being sarcastic - that poll should be evidence enough of that (hint: Yes - the US has every right to rape latin america). I just wanted to give my post a whacko conservative (pat robertson) perspective that should freighten the world now that the whitehouse is leaning towards fundamentalism.
I feel sorry for the soldier guy who posted - my best friend is fighting in Iraq and he just got out of highschool. He doesn't agree with the war but he didn't have a lot of options for his future. I try to show respect while dissing the president, but it's like he lost the freedom to think for himself. So he says nothing about politics anymore.
I think the US should stick it's nose in its own business and that only a more international body like the UN should discuss overthrowing Chazez --which, is a big mistake because he's the best thing to happen to that country since Simon Bolivar.
Should the US kill Hugo? That must be the most rediculous question I have heard all week. But that's not even the sad part. The sad part is that there is probably some pencil-pusher in the state dept. seriously considering that and trying to come up with a plan that his bosses might spend a week or two thinking about. hearing some guy going around calling the president a "donkey, drunkard and (my personal favourite) MR DANGER" must really infuriate somebody.
But realistically it probably won't happen. But then I have reached the point where I honestly believe this administration is capable of anything. So you better watch out HUGO. An American invasion may actually be the least of your worries!!
But realistically it probably won't happen. But then I have reached the point where I honestly believe this administration is capable of anything. So you better watch out HUGO. An American invasion may actually be the least of your worries!!
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