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Cold Fusion?
You are walking down the street and a man runs out of a building and starts telling you in all his excitement he'd done it. He procedes to explain that he has solved the problem of cold fusion. He then pulls out a lot of papers and begins to explain it to you. Most of what he is saying makes sense. You've had a few math classes beyond Algebra and atleast understand the symbols on his papers, though not sure if the equation rings true. He then goes on to tell you how he had discovered this because of "The Nine", apparently dieties, and that the greeks had it mostly right and that there was one of them similar to zues and he had something similar to lightning bolts but it was pure energy and did not put off heat like a lightning bolt does, and that's what led him to this. He also gives you a copy of his research saying that it should be owned by everyone.
Just suppose for the sake of the poll that if you do nothing the theory will be proved neither wrong nor right, and you'll never know. (simply saying 'oh well I'll just let him go and tell the world and then found out if it was true. is not a valid answer here, only for the sake of this poll and your intentions of thoughts.)
And sorry if the title was somewhat misleading but I didn't know what else to call this post without it being a really long title or something.
Just suppose for the sake of the poll that if you do nothing the theory will be proved neither wrong nor right, and you'll never know. (simply saying 'oh well I'll just let him go and tell the world and then found out if it was true. is not a valid answer here, only for the sake of this poll and your intentions of thoughts.)
And sorry if the title was somewhat misleading but I didn't know what else to call this post without it being a really long title or something.
I can hardly figure what you exactly want in this post... opinion on the possibilities of cold fusion or else? 
He is addressing a old science topic back in the 70s or 80s some nut made coldfusion and could never reproduce it. On the bright side the is a real Cold fusion, but is more like absoult zero turns every thing into energy and then super heats everything, it being researched.
I guess I was a little too vague. The whole thing isn't really about cold fusion, it's about the scenario. So if we applied this to lets say, time travel, time viewing, weather control, or anything that is on the fringe of science. Do you give it any of your attention or not? Moreso are you more likely to think what he is saying is true or false based on his supposition of some religous believes bringing him to this "scientific discovery"
Well... I'd ask scholars anyway even if the guy doesn't seem too sane to me. Even if based on some odd beliefs, the theory could still, by chance, be true. Most of scientific discorveries were made randomly anyway. 
There are many reasons for my vote. I heard about The Nine and I believe they exist (or existed). I am naturally curious and I like math problems. I enjoy science and technology. But I think there is room for two answers here. I would try to do it myself, for the sake of playing brain games, but would also look for the assistance of scholars, if it was getting too hard...
You heard about the nine? are you saying that there is apparently some nine as a diety structure? cause all of that story I pulled right out of thin air just for a scenario...
Nobel laureate for inventing PCR, Kary Mullis, is noted for having discovered how to perform in vitro amplification of DNA (better known as PCR- polymerase chain reaction) during an LSD trip. People often think of scientists as stuffy academics who sit inside their cinder block rooms and figure things out that no one really cares about. Of course, the other stereotype is the one described here: the crazy quack who spouts stream-of-consciousness phrases and expects people to just understand him/her. To be honest, I have seen both types (at least approximations) of scientists and have realized that both types are to be respected. So, if a scientist comes out of a building and is clearly in a state of "eureka." I would take him as seriously as another peer. That is, I would try to remain as objective as possible and try to figure out if there is merit in his claims. History is riddled with scientists whose contemporaries considered them to be insane...
I would throw away the papers.
It maybe that I would miss helping prove a remarkable concept true, but the problem is not with the possibility that the concept is true but with the man's presentation. I would always assume that someone babbling on about Zeus, "The Nine", etc., was a nutter. This is a prejudice of mine, I know, but experience has shown that I'm usually correct. I'm willing to accept that in this case I may be wrong, but I suspect my judgement would be correct. All hypotheses are created equally but we must use experience and judgment or we would be swamped with proving every crackpot theory.
My only other alternative would be to learn/understand the "complex" maths involved; running to Univerisities to use their expertise is the lazy way out.
I have come across many seemingly "complex" mathematical "proofs" of amazing, counter-intuitive and contrafactual theories and, in most cases, the maths isn't "complex" it's just plain wrong.
It maybe that I would miss helping prove a remarkable concept true, but the problem is not with the possibility that the concept is true but with the man's presentation. I would always assume that someone babbling on about Zeus, "The Nine", etc., was a nutter. This is a prejudice of mine, I know, but experience has shown that I'm usually correct. I'm willing to accept that in this case I may be wrong, but I suspect my judgement would be correct. All hypotheses are created equally but we must use experience and judgment or we would be swamped with proving every crackpot theory.
My only other alternative would be to learn/understand the "complex" maths involved; running to Univerisities to use their expertise is the lazy way out.
I have come across many seemingly "complex" mathematical "proofs" of amazing, counter-intuitive and contrafactual theories and, in most cases, the maths isn't "complex" it's just plain wrong.
I wouldn't throw it away. You hear on the news every now and then how some one found something important, just discarded away in some old atic, or trash can or something. As a historian, I would preserve the documents as is my nature. And if I find out after careful review that the papers are incorrect, well then I guess it would make a great story for some one to read about, and maybe even start a thread about it. On the other hand, why couldn't I just fix it? If the equations are just incorrect but the process is the same, why not?
But no, I wouldn't throw it away.
But no, I wouldn't throw it away.
i tried to use it
its possible its just in order to create it (thats the theory part)
| dark_lard wrote: |
| You heard about the nine? are you saying that there is apparently some nine as a diety structure? cause all of that story I pulled right out of thin air just for a scenario... |
First of all, sorry it took so long for a reply. I'm not checking post replies too often.
I'm surprised you invented it! There is a (kind of a) myth about nine (vedic) scientists who are supposed to be the guardians of knowledge in our planet. They are known as "The Nine." Apparently, they try to keep away from the "scenario" every knowledge that mankind is not ready to deal with and could cause major harm to Earth and its people, eventually releasing some knowledge when they think we are "able to take it." Although it may sound like science fiction, I read about them from two different and reliable sources (= I have no reason to think they're lies or jokes) and some facts about a very powerful knowledge called "Vedic Mathematics" made me take more seriously the possibility. One of the sources was by e-mail. I may send it to you if you wish and if I still have it saved in my computer, but I don't promiss to find it in the next two or three months. I'm overtaken by too many things I'm doing at once.
Now let me just state that I don't really know what a "diety structure" is (English is not my first language and I don't have a dictionary on me right now). I read it the first time as deities (= divinities or divine beings) and once they are around us for centuries or maybe millenia (that is, they've mastered the secrets of longevity), I would expect them to be addressed as deities.
If you took it out of your mind and had never heard about The Nine, it's surelly a tremendous coincidence!!!
Be well.
WOW! that's totally insane! I would love to get that information from you if you still have it!
I later realized that I had heard of "the Nine" before but it was from a video game so it was one of those things that float in the back of your mind where you're not really aware of it.
BTW there are a lot of people that would place the nine that you are talking about into the circle of the illuminati. David Icke talks alot about knowledge and how they keep secrets and such for the purpose of power and bring it out when it benifits them. I will state up front that I DO NOT adhere to what David Icke says but it's interesting if you have the time to watch his videos.
I later realized that I had heard of "the Nine" before but it was from a video game so it was one of those things that float in the back of your mind where you're not really aware of it.
BTW there are a lot of people that would place the nine that you are talking about into the circle of the illuminati. David Icke talks alot about knowledge and how they keep secrets and such for the purpose of power and bring it out when it benifits them. I will state up front that I DO NOT adhere to what David Icke says but it's interesting if you have the time to watch his videos.
You know there's a lot of crazy ideas out there. You ask him how he can experimentally verify his ideas... look for places where experiments have been done where he predicts something different from conventional theory. If you can't veryify them, or they make no difference from existing theory then it's not much use having a different theory. Most probably I would think the guy is a nutter until something he said had experimental backing.
I have come across people just like that. One even set a stall outside a national physics conference claiming that general relativity was too complex. He claimed to have a much simpler explanation, which is perfectly legitimate. The problem was that predictions from his theory were not correct. When compared against experiment his theory just didn't predict the measured results.
I have come across people just like that. One even set a stall outside a national physics conference claiming that general relativity was too complex. He claimed to have a much simpler explanation, which is perfectly legitimate. The problem was that predictions from his theory were not correct. When compared against experiment his theory just didn't predict the measured results.
| dark_lard wrote: |
| WOW! that's totally insane! I would love to get that information from you if you still have it!
I later realized that I had heard of "the Nine" before but it was from a video game so it was one of those things that float in the back of your mind where you're not really aware of it. BTW there are a lot of people that would place the nine that you are talking about into the circle of the illuminati. David Icke talks alot about knowledge and how they keep secrets and such for the purpose of power and bring it out when it benifits them. I will state up front that I DO NOT adhere to what David Icke says but it's interesting if you have the time to watch his videos. |
I know it took ages for this post to show up and I appologise for that, but I had lost the source with the information about The Nine. Coincidentally, I recently got another e-mail with the information I promissed to post here. Anyway, here it goes:
I didn't really find the original information, but the link below have a short version of it. Look under the subtopic "Anti-Gravity Studies." The whole text is very interesting.
Link:
http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/Ancient.Civ_Technol/050202.vimanas.html
There is more to it and as soon as I find it, I'll post it here.
Cold fusion - suspect we'll eventually get it right hopefully within my lifetime.
Mad scientists - a lot of scientists are a little bit mad (some a lot) so would take the papers and try to ensure that they were verified (or disproved) by people in the relevant field. Taking them to a university etc is not lazy - you can't be expected to become expert in the field of every crackpot scientist you meet!
'The Nine' - The link you posted seemed full of slightly fanciful claims. Not saying they were wrong but there were some wild claims with no references. A lot of 'she said, he said, presumably, no doubt, perhaps etc. And since when does 'yellowishwhite liquid' sound like gasoline - it could be anything! The article seems to assume that everything it mentions is unrefuted fact when in reality everythign being mentioned is extremely controversial and so it would be well worth some proper evidence - I suspect the ancient texts are not nearly as authorative as the article attempts to make out - they sound more like stories about the gods than technical reference handbooks and pilot operating handbooks.
David.
Mad scientists - a lot of scientists are a little bit mad (some a lot) so would take the papers and try to ensure that they were verified (or disproved) by people in the relevant field. Taking them to a university etc is not lazy - you can't be expected to become expert in the field of every crackpot scientist you meet!
'The Nine' - The link you posted seemed full of slightly fanciful claims. Not saying they were wrong but there were some wild claims with no references. A lot of 'she said, he said, presumably, no doubt, perhaps etc. And since when does 'yellowishwhite liquid' sound like gasoline - it could be anything! The article seems to assume that everything it mentions is unrefuted fact when in reality everythign being mentioned is extremely controversial and so it would be well worth some proper evidence - I suspect the ancient texts are not nearly as authorative as the article attempts to make out - they sound more like stories about the gods than technical reference handbooks and pilot operating handbooks.
David.
| dark_lard wrote: |
| You are walking down the street and a man runs out of a building and starts telling you in all his excitement he'd done it. He procedes to explain that he has solved the problem of cold fusion. He then pulls out a lot of papers and begins to explain it to you. Most of what he is saying makes sense. You've had a few math classes beyond Algebra and atleast understand the symbols on his papers, though not sure if the equation rings true. He then goes on to tell you how he had discovered this because of "The Nine", apparently dieties, and that the greeks had it mostly right and that there was one of them similar to zues and he had something similar to lightning bolts but it was pure energy and did not put off heat like a lightning bolt does, and that's what led him to this. He also gives you a copy of his research saying that it should be owned by everyone.
Just suppose for the sake of the poll that if you do nothing the theory will be proved neither wrong nor right, and you'll never know. (simply saying 'oh well I'll just let him go and tell the world and then found out if it was true. is not a valid answer here, only for the sake of this poll and your intentions of thoughts.) |
i'm not sure what you're really going for here as this is more of a philosophy question rather than a science one (unless you are doing a survey, of course).
But if it were really up to me to decide whether or not his theory sees the light of day then - with no other constraints - the only ethical and logical thing to do is to take his theory and have it analysed. It really doesn't matter whether he got his inspiration from "the nine", or from alien transmissions he believes are being beamed into his head or from old re-runs of Buck Rogers in the 25th century - it doesn't even matter if he just pulled it wholesale out of his ass. If there is even a chance that he is right (and there is no cost to determining that), then you are obligated to find out.
The problem is that in reality there are costs to making that determination. Let's say that i really was the first and final word on whether or not any scientific theory sees the light of day. The plain fact is that i would have only a finite amount of time to devote to any one theory, and i would have to carefully allocate that time to the theories that have the best chance of being scientifically worthwhile. Every hour i waste on crap is an hour i am stealing from all of mankind, present and future. Think about it - if i waste an hour on a nonsense theory, that means that it will take one more hour before a real theory gets its time in the light, and that has consequences - for example, it will mean one more hour before a cure for AIDS can be found, and given that 40 kids die every hour from AIDS, that's 40 unnecessarily dead children my negligence will have caused.
That's why, in reality, most scientists and science journals will not give the time of day to people who come to them sounding like crackpots. Because, statistically speaking, if you sound like a crackpot, you almost certainly are. Yes, one in a million might not be, but those odds aren't worth taking the chance (would you bet 40 children's lives on a one in a million shot?).
I dont care about ColdFusion at all. PHP rulez and thats it! 
Cold fusion was basicly a mistake in calculations that caused a HUGE media buz. In actually just based in somple laws of the universe you wouldnt be able to do it.
Since nobody else has figured it out, I'd throw away the papers and call him crazy. If he wasn't crazy and found cold fusion, well.. he wouldn't do this.
I would see him as a total maniac!
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