I wasn't really sure where this would go, but science seems to fit!
Lucid dreaming is an interesting topic...
I'm attempting to get lucid every once in a while, but it just seems to not happen. I always give up because I'm too tired.
I use a combo of WILD and MILD (google them if you don't know what they are).
Is it better to be tired when trying to become lucid?
i googled wild and mild, i am still out of the know.
clarification??
lucid dreaming - an ambitous aim when you are already sleeping.
I did this a few times but I find it much more useful to go on meditative spirtual journeys.
one question: Why is it that you want to lucid dream?
I've always wanted to try it just to see what's it like. But most of the time I'm either too tired or not thinking about trying to have a lucid dream.
However I didn't kinda manage it, in the middle of a dream, I realized that I was dreaming, changed a couple of things, but before I knew it, I had somehow forgotten that I was dreaming.
Hmmm
I've realized I was dreaming in my dream, and was able to manipulate my dream. I was sleeping, but awake (if that makes any sense at all). It was a strange feeling, and happened completely by accident.
Yeah, the only lucid dreams I've had were on accident... But always when I was physically tired, but not mentally tired...
I have this thing from Hemi-Sink http://www.hemi-sync.com/store/product.php?productid=1583&cat=0&page=1
I got it in a not-so-legal way, but that's beside the point... Anyway, it has bineural pulses and rhythms that simulate your brains natural sleep patern, making your mind think your bodies asleep, so it goes to sleep.. Then while it's playing, this weird voice starts talking to you telling you stuff and it's all weird...
Make sure that your in a very quiet area, whenever any noise was created it always messed me up >_<
Here's some info I found helpful while researching lucid dreaming...
http://www.lucidity.com/LucidDreamingFAQ2.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dreaming
http://www.web-us.com/lucid/luciddreamingFAQ.htm
PS: Anyone had an OOBE (out of body experience)? I did once and it was freaky as hell D: ... I remember it was right after a lucid dream, I had been on my bed, I thought I woke up... But then I started floating off the bed, it was a 0 gravity thing, only time I've ever experienced it, awsome experience ;x... Anyway, I hovered for a few seconds, then my like... soul/ghost/w.e. came out and floated above my hovering body, it flipped so I could see my body (I was in the soul) Then I fell, hit my body, hit the bed, and saw black... I was like YES! Good Sign! I opened my eyes and was awake, it's kinda experience the first time ;(
PS2: Anyone had any new abilities in their lucid dreams? I've read about people experiencing 360 degree vision and time slowing down... Here's a quote from one of the pages I posted
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| Robert Monroe even reported experiencing 100 years in a 2 hours OOBE. |
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PS2: Anyone had any new abilities in their lucid dreams? I've read about people experiencing 360 degree vision and time slowing down... Here's a quote from one of the pages I posted
| Quote: | | Robert Monroe even reported experiencing 100 years in a 2 hours OOBE. |
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I always lucid dream (I had a couple of posts in this thread already, but they've vanished into the ether). Yes, in my dreams I can do quite literally anything I want. I can speed time up, slow it down, or go back and forth along a timeline. I've never tried 360° vision per se, because that makes no real sense in that context (I'll explain why in a bit), but I have split myself over several characters and essentially held coversations with myself as a two or more different people.
The thing is, in my dreams I control everything. Most people don't quite grok what that means at first pass. I mean I control literally everything. There is nothing that happens that I don't will to happen. Nothing surprises me because I made it all happen. There are no boundaries and no constraints - I design every facet of the dream reality, and I can do anything to or in it. It's given me a unique perspective on most things, because I can play out scenarios on all sides and see - literally - another person's point of view. It's also given me a unique perspective on theology, because I know what it feels like to have a whole world under my complete control, and just how much is possible with that kind of power over reality.
The reason 360° vision makes no real sense to me in the dream world is because I made it all, and none of it exists without my conscious will to have it exist. I made everything, I know everything, I see everything, and if it is outside of my perception, it just doesn't exist. The entire dream world is the product of my imagination, so I see it all, all the time. I have more than 360° in the dream, I have omniscience.
In one of the posts that vanished (or maybe it was in some other conversation), someone said that one way to test if you were dreaming is to look at a clock, look away, and then look again to see if the time has changed. The thing is, that kind of test is kind of pointless in my case. When I look at a clock in my dreams, it will always say exactly what I want it to say. I can never be surprised. If I wanted the clock to say the same time, it would. If I wanted it to say some other time, it would. If I wanted the clock to be a pizza when I turned back around, it would be. That's what lucid dreaming means to me.That's is really interesting, Indi! Let me dare to tell you that it may be a kind of training for your spiritual life (or from there!), if I'm relating correctly to some recent readings I had. I'm cautious though with respect to the benefits (or drawbacks) in our lives.
When i have time, I'll do some research on this topic.
Thank you kattymeowmeow for posting it.
I frequently experience a type of enhanced dreaming, where I know I'm dreaming and thus any actions will be innocuous. It's a side effect of some pills I have to take, and I tend to find the experiences disturbing. I can't say it directly fits the definition of lucid dreaming, since my control of what's happening is usually limited.
I usually get them in the morning. Since I have no shades, light and eventually the sun will shine directly through my window. But since I'm rather used to sleeping during the day, I tend to slip into a sleep-awake-sleep cycle for a couple of hours.
The dreams I have are rather realistic (no flying, or the like), and borrow from everyday life themes. I usually find myself before some choice situation, and I lay my options while aware I'm dreaming. After action on an option, I usually dislike the outcome and 'rewind' to the point where I can choose again. Through and through, I come across options usually not available to me in awaken life.
The problem is that the aftertaste of my choices usually remains through the whole day, even if I tell myself that was not real. I'd rather not dream at all.
Hello Indi! Could the situation which you have described become borring? What if someday you will like to see something new? You have said that in dream you see whatever you want to see, hence whatever you see you already know what it is! Than could you want to see something which you don't know and see it?))) If yes, than from where this new content will come into your dream and why it is not coming now?
Thanx...
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Hello Indi! Could the situation which you have described become borring? What if someday you will like to see something new? You have said that in dream you see whatever you want to see, hence whatever you see you already know what it is! Than could you want to see something which you don't know and see it?))) If yes, than from where this new content will come into your dream and why it is not coming now?
Thanx... |
Hn... this is actually complicated to answer. >_<
Could it get boring? I suppose. Technically I only sleep for a few hours at a time, so it doesn't really have time to get truly old. Within the dream I can accelerate or slow down my perception of time, so a dream can feel like years or just seconds. I guess if I'm getting bored I speed it up to it seems to end quicker. Plus, I can wake up any time I want. I've never really been bored in a dream, but then, I'm not really stuck in them - but I suppose if I were stuck in the dream I could become bored.
To get new images and storylines to use in dreams I just observe the world. You know, I watch people, imagine new stories and things, watch TV, play games, and so on. Any way I can take in new ideas, then I can explore those new things in dream. But I don't think that's what you mean, right?
You mean what if I want to discover something new in a dream, right? No, sorry, that doesn't happen. I can create something new in dream - like write new storylines or come up with new imagery, but that's not the same thing as discovering something new. Nothing surprises me. As you said, I always already know what it is I'm about to see - in fact, I don't see it if I don't know it's going to be there, because it's not there until I decide it is.
So no, even if I want to be surprised in a dream, I can't. I can't see anything I don't know - nothing I see there can be something I didn't put there myself. But that doesn't mean that there is no new content. I can create new content via my imagination, or I can observe content while I'm awake then incorporate it into the dream while I'm asleep.
Did that make any sense? >_<For how long have you been able to lucid-dream?
Is it something that you were just able to do, or is it something that you worked towards?
I tried to read a little bit about lucid dreaming... because frankly, there are some times when I know I'm dreaming, but I have pretty much no control over my dreams... like... in this one dream, I was trying to run, and I just was not able to run forward... however, if I turned around and ran backward, I was going faster than a few other people who were running ..er... "normally". In the back of my mind, I was somewhat conscious that this had to be dream... but then I was just a lot more bothered to reach my destination, so I continued running backwards with the thought of "I've gotta hurry" playing in my head.
And this other time, I fought a couple of (animated) gargoyles who lived near my house. That dream was brilliant. Note: I was an animated character myself, if I remember correctly...
But yeah... tell us how you do it.
After my exams, I'm going to try and see if I can lucid-dream too... reality is boring and frustrating... leaves too many questions unanswered. | Quote: |
I use a combo of WILD and MILD (google them if you don't know what they are).
Is it better to be tired when trying to become lucid? |
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i googled wild and mild, i am still out of the know.
clarification?? |
MILD and WILD are 2 ways of how to get a lucid dream, there are couple of this: personaly, i dont really care about the name, i just do it ^^
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| one question: Why is it that you want to lucid dream? |
Dont take this bad, but, i thought about another question: why is that you want to know why he want to have a lucid dream?
If you want to know a very good reason, read the next lines, (it is about me) but if dont, just go to the next quote
As you know, most people has its depression time, depression is caused due to the missing of something, it could be love, knowdelge, something that you'd like to do but cant, you feel you're not worth, whatever
I had my depression time so i started doing something that not many people can do, i started to research security system of computers and stuff (you now know why was that, but thats not the point) so i used to live in an un-real world, the world of computers, where no one knew how was i nor who was me, i used to impress people to feel better, i just felt that i was good doing something, then, one day, my comp just got a virus, and that wolrd was over. then i had only other world where i was the best and i was able to do everything, the lucid dreams. a good reason? ^^ every one has its own reasons.
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| Is it better to be tired when trying to become lucid? |
Definently not.
I'll explain the basics in basic words ^^
When you are tired, and sleep, your brain sleep so.
but, when you arent tired, your body sleeps, because your brain doesnt send any signal to it (just like in meditation, meditation is a good way to get a lucid dream) so only your body sleeps, but your brain keeps kinda awake, just generate the alpha waves, which are required to dream, then, there's a 95% of possibility of you releasing when your dream is beggining.
Note: when you are having a lucid dream, keep a detail in mind, otherwise, you'll forget that it is a dream
Note2: you may hear some scaring voices, telling you that it is not such a place to play, do not scare, or you'll forget that it is a dream and it'll become a nightmare.
The way i use to have a lucid dream, is, start with a meditation, but not a normal meditation, the warm control meditation, until my body its in a perfect warm status, then try to feel like if i'm floating and then, i just see a image of me entering in a dream, at that point, i know that it is a dream
Good luck with tries | tidruG wrote: |
For how long have you been able to lucid-dream?
Is it something that you were just able to do, or is it something that you worked towards? |
Completely automatic. Or, at least, I can't remember not being able to do it. In fact, I remember being very young and confused about the idea of nightmares or weird dreams and thinking they were silly, because it made no sense to me to be out of control of the dream.
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| And this other time, I fought a couple of (animated) gargoyles who lived near my house. That dream was brilliant. Note: I was an animated character myself, if I remember correctly... |
Aw hell yeah. ^_^ I love doing Roadrunner and Wyle E. Coyote dreams. And making insane Rube Goldberg machines in my dreams.
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| But yeah... tell us how you do it. |
I have no idea. Honestly, I just sort of lie down to go to sleep thinking about something - I can't just stop thinking - then all of a sudden I realize I'm asleep and I can start dreaming. I guess while I'm thinking about whatever it is I'm thinking about, I occasionally stop to check to see if I'm asleep yet: "not asleep yet... not asleep yet... not asleep yet... asleep, ok, start dreaming." The dream doesn't start before I'm aware of it. Before I start it, all I see is whatever I was seeing with my eyes closed - you know how you can see stuff when your eyes are closed - and I still hear the sounds of what was going on around me, and I still feel like I'm lying down. Then I can just change all that by just... changing it. I just decide not to hear the sounds anymore, or to feel like I'm floating, or whatever, and it happens.
I wish I could give instructions or tips, but the truth is I can't even conceive of the idea of not being aware that you're dreaming, or not being able to control it. It's like that old gag: "Doctor, my arm hurts when I move it like this." "Then don't move it like that. See? No more pain. You're cured." You ask me how to control your dreams, the only answer I know how to give is "just take control". Sorry. >_<Thanks for sharing your experience
(God, that sounds like a cheesy self-help group thingy line)
WEll, anyway, I found a site where they introduce you to Lucid Dreaming and try to help you to do it:
www.dreamviews.com
They have a (pretty friendly) forum as well, with a good system of "adoption". where lucid dream beginners are "adopted" by senior lucid dreamers who sort of coach you on how to do it.
If you are trying to learn how to lucid dream, I'd say give it a shot. Thank you for your answer Indi. I understand you. Then let me explain more what I mean by saying “new content in dream and discovering when dreaming”.
So you say that there is no new content in your dream which you haven't experienced in day life before and that all new content which is there comes from your own imagination, that it comes only from within yourself... like writing new storylines or creating new imagery... so you blend what you already have in your head, what you already know or have experienced and create something new from it... it can be said that dreaming for you is a work of your imagination and a process of creation...
Of course if something is created than someone needs to have created it. Perhaps it is some part of our being who creates... and because we (ordinary dreamers) are not integrated with that part of our being yet, we perceive the dream as something which comes from outside, which happens, and therefore it surprises us... and because you are integrated with that part of yourself you are not being surprised, you are the creator of it...
So your dream world is your imagination... In your dream you are living in your imagination... But don’t you think that it is possible that we can extend the dimensions of our dream world? What if somehow we can connect to the outer world in dream, for example to the reality where we live as awake or to the some other reality to which we do not connected yet in our day life... Than we could be able to explore and discover something which did not existed in our experience before...
It seems that here comes the difference between lucid dreaming and astral projection (as I understand in lucid dreaming we are in our own dream world, in astral projection it is said that we can fly to the real places and explore them like being awake)...
So is it possible to extend the scope of our dream world and how much... What you think about it? You have such a perfect control on your dreams, you could answer it.
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Thank you for your answer Indi. I understand you. Then let me explain more what I mean by saying “new content in dream and discovering when dreaming”.
So you say that there is no new content in your dream which you haven't experienced in day life before and that all new content which is there comes from your own imagination, that it comes only from within yourself... like writing new storylines or creating new imagery... so you blend what you already have in your head, what you already know or have experienced and create something new from it... it can be said that dreaming for you is a work of your imagination and a process of creation...
Of course if something is created than someone needs to have created it. Perhaps it is some part of our being who creates... and because we (ordinary dreamers) are not integrated with that part of our being yet, we perceive the dream as something which comes from outside, which happens, and therefore it surprises us... and because you are integrated with that part of yourself you are not being surprised, you are the creator of it... |
Yup, that's a pretty good characterization of it.
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So your dream world is your imagination... In your dream you are living in your imagination... But don’t you think that it is possible that we can extend the dimensions of our dream world? What if somehow we can connect to the outer world in dream, for example to the reality where we live as awake or to the some other reality to which we do not connected yet in our day life... Than we could be able to explore and discover something which did not existed in our experience before...
It seems that here comes the difference between lucid dreaming and astral projection (as I understand in lucid dreaming we are in our own dream world, in astral projection it is said that we can fly to the real places and explore them like being awake)...
So is it possible to extend the scope of our dream world and how much... What you think about it? You have such a perfect control on your dreams, you could answer it. |
I could answer it? I'm afraid not. ^_^ That's outside of anything I've ever experienced.
I am aware of my surroundings when I'm in the dream. I am aware of when people come in the room, and I can even watch them. I can wake up anytime I want. I've often slept while waiting for someone, then when I heard their arrival I woke up. I've even been able to catch some sleep when I was on a strict deadline, and I can watch the clock as I sleep and wake up at the last possible minute.
But of course, that's not what you mean - that's only my immediate physical environment, which I can observe just by opening my eyes. The dream itself is only in my head.
I'd offer to experiment, but I have low hopes for success. See, the very thing that makes my dreams so lucid - my control - would be the very thing that foils attempts to transcend them. If I try to move outside of my dreamscape, I will succeed - because anything I try to do in my dream I can do. But... will I really be outside of my dream? Or will I just be imagining that I am? It's not hard to imagine yourself into such a state that you can't distinguish reality from what's in your head.
The only way to test would be to set up something to observe somewhere that I could not be aware of normally - and that only tests the theory that you can astral project to physical locations, locations in our physical reality, not any external realities. But it's tricky to do that kind of experiment alone. I'll give it a shot though, see what happens.a while back i had the strangest experience (a bit of background: this was back in elementry school. school was out for the summer and there was a show on at 7 in the morning i liked to watch). Well, i was havin this dream and then it suddenly stoped there was an image like the one super smash bros for n64 wen u run out of lives and asks if u want to continue(screen with question with YES or NO in big letters) At that point i was fully consios in my dream and started debating with myself wether or not to get up or continue dreaming. Some how i knew what time it was (6:55), but at that point i didnt have a clock in my room. i decided to get up and the exact moment i woke up, i shot out of bed and ran to the tv without thinking. the whole experience was weird like arguing with myself in a dream
I have published my web site and want to share it with you. Here is ti - http://www.dimmensions.frih.net
I have done a lot of research in many divisions of "spiritual sciences"... and here in my site I have created 7 introductory pages for some valuable and authentic sources (in my opinion), which I have found in my life... it looks beautiful ... so you may like it...
One of them is about dreaming and consciousness and there you can find some explanations of the questions which we have discussed with Indi...
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Mm, it can happen. It is good; nothing to be worried about.
Last edited by rano on Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:19 pm; edited 6 times in total I don't know if I had lucid dreams, but i do know that my dreams are always in the way i want them to be...
everyone dreams every night, but they usually don't remember them though.. I never remembered a nightmare, so im happy with that..
Thanks for starting this topic kattymeowmeow!!~
I did not know that lucid dreaming was so sought after, and that there were methods, i just knew i used to have them EVERY night until like 13 or 14 i guess. Because i stayed up late watching TV, I just fell asleep instead of deciding to do so, and after time forgot how dream lucidly 
I now remember i did what Indi does, i guess a combination of WILD and MILD, but anyway i will try this tonight and see if i can do it again 
from http://www.web-us.com/lucid/luciddreamingFAQ.htm#How%20can%20I%20have%20a%20Lucid%20Dream?
How does the Wake-Initiated Lucid Dream (WILD) technique work?
It works by remaining conscious until you start dreaming. The Lucidity Institute also first presented this technique, but it is not easy if you don't have a clue what to do. But it is quite easy and effective if you do it right. Again, you need to sleep 5-6 hours before trying this. This is because you don't dream much the first 5 hours, it is mostly non-REM sleep. You enter REM a lot faster after 5-6 hours with sleep, and you don't go down to stage 3 and 4 as you do when you first go to bed. The problem is remaining conscious until your dream start.Many strange things may happen when you remain conscious until the REM-period starts. The first thing you see may be Hypnagogic Imagery. It is a pattern, like the one you see when you press your fingers against your closed eyelids. Remember that this is hypnotic, and getting too involved with them will induce unconsciousness. Just let it flow, don't get too involved and don't suppress them either. The next thing you may experience is Hypnagogic Sounds. It may be as real as the sounds you hear in waking reality, but they are nothing to be afraid of. It is a good indicator that the REM-period is right around the corner. Just don't let these sounds scare you. If you start to experience Abstract Thoughts, the logical part of your brain is falling asleep and you are not far from losing consciousness. You might be lying in bed thinking about a friend and the hypnagogic imagery starts and you see your friend's face. You have also worked a stressful day so you start to remember stocking the shelves at work. Soon you are thinking that you are putting cans of food on the shelves with pictures of your friend on them. All this might seems perfectly normal. But it's not logical. What you need to do is try thinking logical, do some math or start over again. Tactile Sensations can feel like you are paralyzed and high-voltage painless electricity is jolting through your body. You may experience these vibrations and find yourself leaving your body or having a Lucid Dream. But remember that all this is nothing to fear, it happens every night, whether you are consciously aware of it or not. Now that you know what you might experience when trying to consciously enter the REM-period there is another problem we need to conquer. And that is losing consciousness, a very common problem that is rather easy to overcome. A good solution is Caffeine and Theobromine. Caffeine is found in Coffee, Tea, Coke, Chocolate and Pills. Theobromine is found in Chocolate. The problem is finding out how much Caffeine works for you. A lot of experimenting has to be conducted. A good place to start is with 0.5 liter Coke, a cup of Coffee or Tea, half a pill or a chocolate bar. If you take too much you will not start to dream at all, if you take too little you may lose consciousness. But drinking 0.5 liter Coke is not very wise, it has a very disturbing side effect. You should also stay up for about 30-60 minutes after waking up after 5-6 hours with sleep. This because it takes about 45 minutes before the Caffeine reaches its full effect. You might experience a DILD if you go to sleep right after some caffeine intake. Another way for keeping the mind active and to bring on the hypnagogic images is to imagine doing something that involves imagery, audible and tactile sensations. Like driving a car, imagine the car and the road, hear the engine-/radio and feel the steering wheel. Remain focused on what you are doing and avoid thinking about anything else than driving that car. Or you might include smell and taste, by imagine a good meal. This works best in combination with NILD, it takes far more time when done as you go to sleep for the first time. But done with NILD can you find yourself in a dream in as little as 5-10 minutes. Or you can try lying on a 30 degree incline mattress (can be done by stuffing pillows under it). And keep the room as dark as possible. Close your eyes and concentrate on your breathing, the slower the better. Breath with your stomach, making an "Ahhh" sound at the end of the exhalation, that will help your mind to stay awake while your body fall asleep. With time may you notice mild vibrations and that your body becomes paralyzed. At that point will you notice that you no longer have any problem concentrating, everything becomes clear. In this state stop concentrating on your breathing and just be aware of your surroundings. If you begin to loose consciousness, start paying attention to any light in your vision or any internal sound. Some time later will you begin to experience the second vibrations. It will quickly rush throughout your body, sometimes accompanied by various sounds and then end. This is your astral body being released. Dream images will start to form. You can go with these images and enter a Lucid Dream, or you might just sit up and walk away from your physical body. The whole thing is really interesting. I tried for a while using the journal approach. As soon as I woke up I wrote down all that I could rememeber about what had happened in the dream. I keep this log for quite sometime but eventually gave up with no sucesses in lucid dreaming. It would be amazing to actually make it to lucidity while dreaming. The possibilities would be endless.
