FRIHOSTFORUMSSEARCHFAQTOSBLOGSCOMPETITIONS
You are invited to Log in or Register a free Frihost Account!


morality vs. ethics





mickeyone
(I hope this will be an opening salvo in the current cultural war)

Numerous articles, editorials, and opinion pieces in the New York Times and other publications make repeated reference to the issue of morality. While morality is a matter that (for better or worse) concerns society as a whole, it is particularly well trod territiory for thinkers on the right and around which the conservative movement has rallied and whose terms they have attempted to define for the rest of us.
It’s vital that in an open society, those who do not hew to a fundamentalist ideology, and who wish not to play second banana in a discussion so important to society and to the electorate, understand that what is meant by morality, and moral behavior as defined by the conservatives and religious right, are not necessarily what others may consider ethical behavior.
Unfortunately, the distinction between morals and ethics is not obvious; the two terms are generally used interchangeably, and while they were once mostly synonymous, the understanding of morality has come to mean in contemporary terms, something unique. The social conservatives claim the moral high ground-it fits them as securely as the miter on the Pope’s head. Morality, as practiced, or more often, paid lip service in the twent first century, is not quite what Chaucer had in mind when writing in the fourteenth century.
Morality as we have come to view it, is generally based on doctrine of a particular group, culture, religion, or other social order. The morality of one hierarchy often stands in stark contrast to that of another; advancing globalization of commerce and the ideas and mores that accompanies it, tend to incresingly blur the non-sectarian boundaries while at the same time, sharpen the the conflict between different, and often competing belief systems.
Not so blurry is the global conflict we call the “War on Terror” where we see radical moral claims as expressed by the fundamentalist Christians on one hand, in bold relief and in mortal combat with the morality of extremist views of some many followers of Islam. My God is bigger than your God.
Doctrine defines the root and nature of conflict, and morality is the handmaiden, and the language of doctrine. Whether moral behavior as defined by a radical Shi’ite in the form of an exploding acolyyte, is rewarded by a first class ticket to heaven with 72 virgins (in coach) thrown in, or by a handshake from St. Peter at the Pearly Gates in reward for one’s martyrdom in the service of Jesus Christ, the doctrine that gets one there is defined by its relative moral value. And yes Virginia, Morality is relative.
To navigate this confusing, conflicting war of beliefs, warning signs should be posted at the borders of the myriad “moral” territories. JewIsh law, culture and history, take highly nuanced and reasoned positions, as gleaned from the Torah, Talmud and other texts regarding such modern issues as stem cell research; their position says that in certain circumstances and various conditions stem cell research can be viewed favorably, not as immoral, in other words. Other religions adhere to stricter tenets of faith, linking inevitably and in general terms, stem cell research with abortion, thus making it bad, immoral.
We speak of a moral compass; mine points south, yours, to the north. The Inuit people of the Great White North often set its old people who became a considerable hindrance to the survival of the clan, adrift on ice floes to freeze to death, making them one less mouth to feed. a clear and stunning contrast to us in lower North America where the Ten Commandments hold sway commanding: “Thou shalt not kill”!

Ethics has no compass; it doesn’t need one; it’s the same on all 360 degrees and in every dimension; it’s the same on Earth as it is on Mars. It speaks for itself, does not require a CEO or a Pope, a board of directors, or a council of elders; no priests in the pulpit, no Sunday School teachers, no presidents or prime ministers. Ethics dictates only one thing: Do not do unto others as you would not have them do unto you”!
Let the right carry the Morality banner, while the left applies the principle of ethical behavior in every human intercourse and transaction and demands it of its leaders and candidates. Settling for moral solutions, especially when it’s so often a poke in the eye, becomes yet another and bigger source of human conflict.
Elochai
And so the Masochist should be able to beat people? And the sadist who gets off feeling sad to make others feel sad?

Also, Ethics and Morality are not versus on any level.
mickeyone
A masochist beats no one, that's the sadist's pleasure, and the key is what is consensual.

Morality in its strictest definition is always relative as described by specific groups of interest. The Afghanis, according to their Mortal Standard as they interpret Mohammed's teachings in the Koran, came quite close to killing a man because he had converted to Christianity 16 yrs. ago; an idea that by any standards is unethical, and by modern and "enlightened" standards, Immoral.
socialoutcast
You really can not put morality and ethics against each other. both words describe some system of right or wrong decision making. You can take about business ethics or scientific eithics or religous morality. But when it comes down to it, the end goal is becoming an ethical or moral person. sure we want to do the right thing because it just makes us feel good inside. I think a better pole would be to good ethics/morals versus bad ethics/morals, unless you just want to just descuss it a differance exsists.

www.socialoutcast.co.nr
SlowWalkere
I think the original point, that morality and ethics are different, is true. However, that doesn't necessarily make one better than the other for making decisions.

The definition of morality is more or less accurate. It is based on some general understanding of a group, perhaps enforced by a central council but not necessarily. In any society, you will find some kind of concensus about what is "good" and what is "bad," which reflects the society's morals.

Ethics differs from this in one way because of its unviversal maxim. It is not based on any statement or writing (i.e. the ten commandments) but on a set of universal maxims (summed up in part by the golden rule quoted originally). Despite this, ethics are profoundly particular. One of the founders of modern formal ethics, Kant, also held a radically subjective view of the world. The subjective parts of the world (ethics and morality among them) do not exist in any absolute objective sense. They are constructions of our minds, bsaed on our interactions with the real, objective world. If they do exist in some kind of real, noumenal way, we have no way of interacting with them directly and can only know our personal, subjective view of these things.

With a worldview that is entirely individual and particular, there can be no universal ethics. Every man decides for himself what is right and wrong, and what he would rather have done to him or not. Nietzsche develops this argument to the radical end, advocating that the great men break free of traditional morality and live according to their own personal understanding of ethics.

Or, as illustrated earlier, the problem is simply in applying the universal rule. The sado-masochist example was given. What about suicide bombers? They clearly do not mind being killed, so why is it unethical for them to kill someone else? It becomes much murkier when you leave the realm of death and violence and enter something like business. The rich business owner is going to say it is entirely ethical to control as much property as he can get his hands on, pay his employees as little as he can, and enjoy the full protection of the law from theft and vandalism. The poor worker is probably going to believe that everyone has a right to a portion of the environment and no one can rightfully monopolize it, that he is entitled to some sort of fair wage for his labor, and that if the owner is stealing from him (after all, what else is exploitation?) why shouldn't he steal from the owner?

For the record, I'm on the side of formal ethics against traditional morality. Yet it is not perfect or infinitely better than traditonal morality. It's just another way to look at the problem and a tool to help solve it.

- Walkere
Related topics
islam is...
Highway to Hell?
What is MORALITY, the concept? Let’s be philosophers.
Why do people do this?
Why do we always have wars?
Morals vs. Ethics
Euthanasia for Fish
Progress and Morality, what's your take?
Philosophy.
Why do you practice the religion you follow?
Science and morality
Do you have any faith that there is a "soul"
Religion, Ethics and Morality
Theistic and Secular morality
Reply to topic    Frihost Forum Index -> Lifestyle and News -> Philosophy and Religion

FRIHOST HOME | FAQ | TOS | ABOUT US | CONTACT US | SITE MAP
© 2005-2011 Frihost, forums powered by phpBB.