Were we created to live and suffer each day? I think we were made to do something... To work, to cry, to live, to die... But, I can't stop thinking... Were we made to suffer, day by day, night by night? I see so many people crying, dying in pain, suffering because they're alone... I hate that! Were we made because we are alone, or we were made to be alone? That one I simply can't deny! What about you? What do you think? I believe there are two reasons why we were made: 1.) To suffer and live day by day thinking: There is Paradise, where we will enjoy being humans! and 2.) To enjoy and live in the moment thinking: There is only one moment, there is only one life... Why to deny that?
I hope this will get you thinking about ourselves, our own thoughts, our won death...
Sincerely yours,
Dario Abram from Croatia
Jesus beat suffering by dying on the cross. He defeated death, and we have no worries now. Live by Him, and God, feast on the word of the Bible, and you shall enjoy eternal paradise.
Originally we weren't created to suffer, but to bask in the glory of God and enjoy a carefree life on earth, but humans are evil by nature, and some of the very first humans disobeyed God. This angered God greatly, and thus we now live in this fallen world.
I'm not a religious whack-job either, just my thoughts.
SoulFire, on one thing I have to agree with you!
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| Originally we weren't created to suffer, but to bask in the glory of God and enjoy a carefree life on earth, but humans are evil by nature, and some of the very first humans disobeyed God. This angered God greatly, and thus we now live in this fallen world. |
But, all we know about this act is from Bible! A Holy Book... A written witness of our own Apocalypse... And, this fallen world is nothing more than God's creation! If he made this world, why did he send us there to destroy it? If it's said that God knows our destiny, why did he let us do this? Don't we have free will? Don't we live for a moment, not for a life? We exist because we exist, no more, no less. Our lives are driven by a simple combination of evolutionary impulses: to survive, to procreate (so as to continue the species), and to aide the overall survival of the species. We have no higher calling, and that should be high enough.
We were created in God's image. It was mankind the fell into sin and corrupted the world. Every ounce of corruption and destruction is a result of man's sin. God can see the future, but does that mean he has to? It's his choice, and whether or not he knew we would sin, he loves us enough that gave everyone a chance to be with him in heaven. It's better that some should be united with him than for none to ever have existed at all. Without free will, we would all be robots. That doesn't sound too exciting to me...
Additionally, I find the majority of the evolutionary theory to be bogus, but this is my opinion. There is too little evidence that could support a theory that pigs fly just as much as they do for evolution. It's a weak theory, and only a theory. IMO, if we really had the "evolutionary impulses" to reproduce and survive, there would be no suicide. People would not smoke, not drink, heck, I doubt any of us would drive because of the threat to our lives. We have a conscience and a free will; a supposed evolutionary impulse simply cannot compare.
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| We were created in God's image. It was mankind the fell into sin and corrupted the world. Every ounce of corruption and destruction is a result of man's sin. God can see the future, but does that mean he has to? It's his choice, and whether or not he knew we would sin, he loves us enough that gave everyone a chance to be with him in heaven. It's better that some should be united with him than for none to ever have existed at all. Without free will, we would all be robots. That doesn't sound too exciting to me... |
If we were created in God's image how could we be evil (I personally see no contradiction between an evil God and the scripture, but most Christians do)? So all of the corruption, including that of the serpent, is a result of man's sin? That seems a mite non sensical as the serpent came before man's sin. Further God does have to see the future, that's kind of the definition of the prophets and the entirety of Revelations and, of course, God's ineffable plan.
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| Additionally, I find the majority of the evolutionary theory to be bogus, but this is my opinion. There is too little evidence that could support a theory that pigs fly just as much as they do for evolution. It's a weak theory, and only a theory. IMO, if we really had the "evolutionary impulses" to reproduce and survive, there would be no suicide. People would not smoke, not drink, heck, I doubt any of us would drive because of the threat to our lives. We have a conscience and a free will; a supposed evolutionary impulse simply cannot compare. |
Evolution is certainly "only a theory", a scientific theory. This means that it is accepted as generally true, though it has yet to be proven as completely as a scientific law. In other words, there is plenty of proof for evolution. As to your second point: all animals have the survival instinct. However, because we are sentient and possesed of the aformentioned 'free will', we can overcome these baser drives when it serves a greater purpose (or a personal psychosis, like depression). Of course, we will also overcome the instincts for personal gain, for instance the high of smoking or the sheer usefulness of driving. Finally of course is the simple fact that our society has evolved so much that oftentimes base instincts are convoluted or overruled in favor of societal pressures or conventions.There is a very old Buddhist saying that goes..."Life is pain, suffering is optional"
I don't believe we were put on this earth to suffer each day, and for some it is not like that at all. Misery and suffering are a part of life and if we dwell on them then we will make our own lives a kind of living hell. We all have to deal with suffering in some fashion, loss of loved ones, assorted tragedies, the daily news, etc., that much is fact...but we do not have to let it control our lives.
Sincerely yours,
Dario Abram from Croatia[/quote]
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| 1.) To suffer and live day by day thinking: There is Paradise, where we will enjoy being humans! |
because my religion also says that...In our religion we believe an idea which has produced by Great Propher of Muhammed "Live by this way: You never die, and work on your life.But work for Paradise you will dead tomorrow..." Oooh, chance for a debate, I hope? 
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If we were created in God's image how could we be evil (I personally see no contradiction between an evil God and the scripture, but most Christians do)? So all of the corruption, including that of the serpent, is a result of man's sin? That seems a mite non sensical as the serpent came before man's sin. Further God does have to see the future, that's kind of the definition of the prophets and the entirety of Revelations and, of course, God's ineffable plan.
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Obviously you are't too keen on the Bible and it's teachings. God created angels before men, so that angels could serve men. Angels, like humans, have free will. It was an angel that decided of his own free will to rebel against God. He and his followers were banished to spend eternity in hell, though they still tempt us in spirit every day. It was a fallen angel, Lucifer, that initially tempted Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve brought sin into this world, and started the whole mass of corruption. Yet we cannot blame them, for we have never been perfect, though we continue to go against the idea every day. Concerning Lucifer:
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| Lucifer is seen as having been second in command to God himself; he was the highest archangel in heaven, but he was motivated by pride and greed to rebel against God and was cast out of heaven, followed by a third of the host of heaven. |
God himself have nothing to do with spawning sin or any corruption whatsoever; he is perfect, and this is one of the few things he cannot do (to sin).
| Valleyman wrote: |
| Evolution is certainly "only a theory", a scientific theory. This means that it is accepted as generally true, though it has yet to be proven as completely as a scientific law. In other words, there is plenty of proof for evolution. As to your second point: all animals have the survival instinct. However, because we are sentient and possesed of the aformentioned 'free will', we can overcome these baser drives when it serves a greater purpose (or a personal psychosis, like depression). Of course, we will also overcome the instincts for personal gain, for instance the high of smoking or the sheer usefulness of driving. Finally of course is the simple fact that our society has evolved so much that oftentimes base instincts are convoluted or overruled in favor of societal pressures or conventions. |
Evolution is a theory, at least you agree there, but there is no proof significantly supporting evolution. If there really was proof, evolution would be a law, but it is not. The most it's got going is a few bits of evidence that can suggest any number of things (evolution being among them), and a few more theories that may or may not support evolution.
The fact remains that evolution has yet to be observed. That is a scientific fact. Evolution is not.
So, what I infer from your logic, is that all animals (including those we "evolved" from) have an instinctive drive that overwhelms any other "free will," yet we, for some odd reason are lacking this drive? What a weak jab--evolutionists will compromise their wording every time any arguement is raised just to uphold the insignificant possibility that evolution just might be plausible.
It is true that society has evolved, but why hasn't the animal kingdom? Why are we capable of 100x the thought processes of some animals who have 10x the capacity to do so? This is somehow evolution at work? Looks like a degradation, at best.
