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Anime for those who aren't quite old fogies but aren't n00bs





zanzou
Like a lot of people my age (18), I've been into anime for around 7 years now. Like many, I started with something on television (gundam wing) and grew from there.

However, I find myself incredibly horrified at the types of mini-mes being created today. Hoards of Inuyasha fans seem to pour from the woodwork. People shout "KawaIiiiii!!" in the streets, poiting at posters of anime I think /suck/.

At least when it was Beyblade most people had the sense to stay away. D:

But even the old animes that are being aired today are going down in my esteem as the massive amounts of tweeners and emo kids and jock kids and prep kids seem to know about them. There's one girl who I recently found out liked Fushigi Yugi-- and I was like "WHAT THE HELL THE EARTH HAS TO BE ENDING, RIGHT?!".. but no.

Anime has just become SUPER main stream. And I hate it. I liked it back when it was a total nerd-hobby that only crazy obsessed people (like myself) got together to watch hours on end.

In my world, anime is just another goth/punk trend-- becoming mainstream, and by default, uncool. (This is not helped by the fact that this year hasn't been very good for delivering new&good anime. @_e DAMN YOU JAPAN!)

D: I miss fansubs that you had to get delivered in the mail.
LEMU
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I live in Finland (in northern Europe) and also in here the anime/manga scene seems to be the latest in fashion in or something. Seems like everyone's trying to look japanese and I've even heard some teenage kids are talking about dropping out of school and moving to Japan. Very Happy Well, all we actual fans can do is wait for this japan-heat to settle down. It's just a trend... right?
zanzou
LEMU wrote:
...I've even heard some teenage kids are talking about dropping out of school and moving to Japan. :D Well, all we actual fans can do is wait for this japan-heat to settle down. It's just a trend... right?


o_O The idea of dropping out of school and moving to Japan seems a little bit extreme, in my book. I mean.. do they even know Japanese? xD;; (Personally, I'm going to wait until I get a university diploma and then take advantage of the JET program, which will take me to Japan to teach English for 3 years. :D)

I hope it's just a trend. :/ I know it's said all the time, but I've always loved and believed in the "I was uncool before uncool was cool" thing. XD
Garnet
I was pretty horrified to see a north american drawn anime person on the name brand tags in some of the best stores where I live. That's a bad sign. I know what you mean though, I miss the days when it was underground.

I'm not crazy about the fans these either - I 've seen people actually get jealous when another person likes the same character they do. I went into the comic store and there was a pack of girls glaring at me, they wouldn't let me get near the shelf! I've been the only girl visitor that's store gotten for years and now they won't let me near a series I've been reading for 4 years. The nerve...

Probably it will it pass and then things will go back to normal though, something like what happened to Marvel comic books, and it will still be going on just not as loudly.
zanzou
I think one of my biggest fan-horrors is all the shows I see on TV that are trying to be anime, but FAILING MISERABLY, both in animation and plot. (There's one about flakey detectives.. and another about riding dragons which is kinda power-rangers-esque. @_e) I prefered underground, even if it was harder to get. >_>

I never got jealous of people liking the same thing-- though I do admit to little irrational flares of anger at people who are crazy fans for characters/shows I don't like. (Chobits and Fruits Basket are the main ones. D: I used to like both.. but Chobits got retarded!popular and badly translated, FB fandom scared me off.) From where I am, I've been going to my stores long enough for all the workers to know me by name-- I doubt that any of the new fans can say the same. (Mostly because they're too self-absorbed to talk to the workers...) I hope they burn themselves out on fanning. :/

Yeah, but now Marvel has all those movies.. XD Wouldn't it be funny to see the popular animes become live action movies made for the West? I don't really know if I'd be amused or horrified. (Though there are TWO Death Note movies coming out from Japan! I can't wait!!!)
Garnet
Oh hey funny you should mention that, there are actually plans in the making to have a live-action "Neon Genesis Evangelion" movie that would be North-American. I've also heard the concept for a Kiki's Delivery Service movie coming from Disney (The info's not hard to find on google).

Wow a Death Note movie could be pretty good. The shinigami Shocked

ha ha the Fruits Basket fans (Yuki or Kyo?!!!) are the ones that glared until I left the store...That's series is pretty good though, but the anime left out a lot of the best stuff.
zanzou
Eva movie. ....I hope they keep in the gay. Even if it was only super-brief, I'd like to see how a non-anime audience would react. :o

Also, I would love to see it, if only for the special effects. :D

Disney's always ripping off Japan.. XD Though it's a back and forth process. (Disney influenced anime, anime infuenced Disney, Disney stole a Lion/Hamlet Movie Plot)

Yeah, you can find the promo here: http://wwws.warnerbros.co.jp/deathnote/ just click around until you get to the tv, then click that. :D The floating apple makes me swoon. XD

XD; The FB fans are scaary. I'm a Yuki fan, and I think the series is okay.. but I really lost interest when I found out the whole thing behind Kyou&Yuki's competitive-ness. :/ Just because I heard it and was like 'This totally proves that Kyou is going to get Tohru in the end. Now I don't need to read the rest of the series." XD I'm a Kyoru fan, can you tell~?
aenemike
Most of the "anime" I end up watching around my part of town is unfortunately found on the Cartoon Network...
Their adult swim segments are usually pretty good, but the rest of the new cartoons are pretty bad.
There was one show that I was addicted to...
Big O.
I loved that show.
I don't know why.
It wasn't very good, and the stories were usually pretty lame, but I loved it anyway.
Back in the day I was a big fan of Project A-ko...
hahah, good times.
zanzou
I heard that Adult Swim is doing Saved By The Bell for a while. XD No matter the n00bs they create, I have to love them for that.

(SbtB is like a train wreck-- you just can't look away. >_>)
aenemike
Yeah, I still can't figure out what Saved by the Bell has to do with Cartoons...
But I think it's hilarious that they're going to pull it off.
Obake
…I’m not entirely sure I agree with you about the state of anime fandom, zanzou, LEMU, and Garnet. I can understand how the (Western) boom in the popularity of anime lately might grate against your nerves when, as you say, it brings a whole pile of knowlessmen to the party, but consider this:

Anime is designed, intended, created, and marketed to be popular. In Japan, it is popular culture—not nerd/geek culture, but the poppiest pop that ever popped. And many of the series you mention—Fushigi Yuugi, Inuyasha, Fruits Basket—were made available here (in Europe/North America/Canada/Australia—the ‘West’) because of their immense popularity in Japan, and because distribution companies here could reasonably expect that popularity to transfer well.

Looks as if they expected right, and as a result anime and manga are available in places like Borders as well as in the little local hidey-hole comic-book-shops (Although I still buy from the little comic-book-shops. Better prices, and the salespeople have more of a clue about what they’re selling, and—importantly—who to). Certain movies get cinema release. Every year, a wider range of anime is made available, here, directly and legally. And it’s even possible, now, to drop the words ‘anime’ or ‘manga’ into a random conversation and expect the other person(s) to have some idea of what you’re talking about.

You guys miss mailed fansubs and anime as an underground nerd subculture? I’m sorry, but I remember being 14 years old in a dinky little town with half a shelf of Evangelion and Bubblegum Crisis: Tokyo 2040 in the “Cult” section at the local video rental joint. I remember having four or five friends who got it, and no more. I remember having no way of getting more anime, or getting more involved in the fandom, because I was in a dinky little town with a dial-up connection and parents who’d brought me up to be cautious about exchanging money or personal information with people I’d never met. I remember being treated as if this crazy little obsession of mine was just a phase, a teenaged way of asserting my individuality, something I’d grow out of. I remember, every time I mentioned it to someone new, having to explain that, no, it’s not just a kid’s thing, and no, they’re not necessarily violent or pornographic, and that the pronunciation of ‘manga’ should in no way resemble the pronunciation of ‘mango’.

Given the choice between the way things are now and the way they were then? I will always take the now, thanks. I really, really have no problem with anime being more widely available, or with the fact that a whole crowd of different people now get it, even if some of them get it in a different way to me. If someone I don’t much like happens to love the same series I do, why should that change the way I see the series itself? And if people I don’t like seem to be getting this stuff the way that I do, maybe it’s time I reconsidered my opinion of those people, just a little.

(Also, zanzou, take another look at this sentence of yours:

Quote:
People shout "KawaIiiiii!!" in the streets, poiting at posters of anime I think /suck/.


I get that you’re fed up with the teenyboppers and preps and everyone else deciding they’re a fan. I get that it’s frustrating to see shows you dislike getting the publicity. I get it, I get it, I really do. But. Look at that.

Quote:
in the streets, poiting at posters of anime


In the streets. Posters of anime. Posters of anime in the streets.

Dude. For serious. How is that not a world of awesome? There’ll be other years, and other posters, and eventually the posters will show series you enjoy. The kawaii crew will go away, or else they’ll turn out to be honest little nublets who grow up to be discerning fans in their own right. Meanwhile, still, we have anime posters in the streets!)

I have to say that I haven’t had some of the bad experiences you guys seem to have. I’ve never had to stand between a gaggle of over-zealous nublets and their, uh, prize (I wonder if those girls ever considered how much they were behaving like Yuki’s crazy fanclub?). And, given my introduction to fandom at large was Harry Potter, I might have developed a higher tolerance for zealotry and—oh, is there any other way to say it?—wank. You know. As a survival trait. >>;

Still, my own take on the whole thing is, I don’t like the things I like because they’re underground or alternative or otherwise not-mainstream. I like the things I like because they are things that I like. The fact that a lot of the things I like are rather geeky doesn’t matter; nor does the fact that some of the things I like have become mainstream. I’m still going to like those things, because they are, in themselves, worth liking.

Also, re: the Evangelion live-action movie—the website for WETA Workshop, the studio that did the effects for the Lord of the Rings films, has preliminary production sketches for the Evas and the pilots’ suits, but it also says the project’s on hold for now, so it might be a matter of waiting a few more years while they finish up with the Narnia and Northern Lights stuff they’re doing now. There was a rumour going around a while ago that Daniel Radcliffe might be cast as Shinji—quashed, thank goodness. Shinji needs to be able to cry and blush convincingly, and I’ve yet to see that boy do either. O.o;;

(And I too hope, if it goes through, that they keep the gay. My only worry is, the gay was chronologically such a small part of the original series that it might wind up on the cutting room floor in the movie project.)
zellfaze
My personal belief on the Anime thing is there are some good ones, and a lot of not so good. Ones, like me personally I hate Naruto, it just isn't my style, but things like Fushugi Yugi and Trigun. Those I like. Then there are some Animes that are not good because they have no point like Yugio, its a show based on a card game that was based on the show? People like Miako and Vash are the kind that have distinct personalities. After a while you get to know them really well, but a lot of the Animes now they don't seem to care about that. They just want to make money, do you know how much money goes into advertising shows like Naruto. For crying out loud they have Naruto toys. When it was still underground, Anime was not about $$$, but instead it was something they could put there heart and soul into. It didn't have to be super marketable. They did not run every episode though a marketing board to make sure that it will make money. No they did it like it was an art.
Studio Madcrow
Anime is meaningless as a term. Japanese animation runs the gamut from cartoons that rival the old Warner Brothers classics in terms of sheer comedy value to puerile romcoms and magical girl shows to mindblowing feature films. I happen to be a fan of the more cartoonish shows (Action/adeventure comedies along the lines of Lupin III are the best), simply because that's the kind of stuff I like in any language... I also enjoy the work of the top filmmakers such as Studio Ghibli, simply for their visual awesomness... Therefore, my interest in "anime" is so limited in scope that I can't really consider myself to be a fan... I suspect that MOST so-called anime/manga buyers in the west are the same way (They just enjoy a good cartoon, movie or comic book and don't really CARE about country of origin) but are afraid to say so...
zellfaze
Studio Madcrow wrote:
Anime is meaningless as a term. Japanese animation runs the gamut from cartoons that rival the old Warner Brothers classics in terms of sheer comedy value to puerile romcoms and magical girl shows to mindblowing feature films. I happen to be a fan of the more cartoonish shows (Action/adeventure comedies along the lines of Lupin III are the best), simply because that's the kind of stuff I like in any language... I also enjoy the work of the top filmmakers such as Studio Ghibli, simply for their visual awesomness... Therefore, my interest in "anime" is so limited in scope that I can't really consider myself to be a fan... I suspect that MOST so-called anime/manga buyers in the west are the same way (They just enjoy a good cartoon, movie or comic book and don't really CARE about country of origin) but are afraid to say so...


*claps* true that my friend true that. America does put out some good stuff, so does the uk and other countries. I personally think though if there was a contest between who put out the best stuff. America would come in last place. Sure we can put out good stuff but not as much as places like the uk.
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