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prantikbordoloi
An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty.

He asks one of his new students to stand and .....

Prof: So you believe in God?
Student: Absolutely, sir.

Prof: Is God good?
Student: Sure.

Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student: Yes.

Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm? (Student is silent.)

Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fellow. Is God good?
Student: Yes.

Prof: Is Satan good?
Student: No.

Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student: From...God...

Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student: Yes.

Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?
Student: Yes.

Prof: So who created evil?
Student does not answer.

Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Student: Yes, sir.

Prof: So, who created them?
Student has no answer.

Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student: No, sir.

Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
Student: No, sir.

Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student: Yes.

Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.

Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.

Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.

Student: And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.

Student: No sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a
word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

Student: You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?

Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.

To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir? (The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)

Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher? (The class is in uproar.)

Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain? (The class breaks out into laughter.)

Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable.)

Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

Student: That is it sir... The link between man & god is FAITH. That
is all that keeps things moving & alive.

this is a true story, and the student was none other than.........Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam, the present president of India

Any opinions!!

--Prantik
Kaneda
Funny, last time I heard this story - don't remember where, but I actually think it was here - the young man was Albert Einstein. Didn't believe that back then, either. It bears all marks of being fiction, and the argument of "evil as the absense of good" is not new (or sound). Neither is putting science at the same level as religion in terms of teaching "unproven truths".

Seeing as there are several different versions on the net (also different length-wise, point-wise, etc. - but always being about an "atheist professor" and including the "evil as absense of good" argumjent, I'd say it's an urban legend, which lives on because it serves several purposes - positive affirmation in the form of a young man teaching his somewhat arrogant professor a lesson + letting the very icon of modern science (Einstein) show the shortcomings of science, and provide the same flawed "logic" that Christians have used for centuries to get back at the logic of science.

Such a fictional story is not really not needed, though, since Einstein already was a religious man (albeit his beliefs were very different from this "young man"'s), and has probably had plenty of discussions like this which were much more profound.

EDIT: Just checked on snopes.com, and sure enough, they agree. Smile
harry088
APJ ROCKS MEN!!

He is kool composed God...
Gieter
What's my opinion on the subject? Another stupid attempt to try to prove the existence to God. You may prove God to a real atheist, he still wouldn't be convinced, and he wouldn't start believing either. Those texts are a waste of time in my opinion.

The student isn't correct either. He really can see the professor's brains if he wants, he can feel them, taste them, when he takes him out. Seeing evolution? There are cockroaches in the very radioactive area of Tsjernobyl, they adapted to the situation because cockroaches can reproduce very fast.

The students confuses things (like concepts of Good and Evil and heat and cold), and makes false conclusions. Not very convincing in my opinion.
Panrac
One word about "evil as the absence of good". It's definitely not new; it comes from Socrates.
And I don't think we should call it an argument it is rather a definition or explanation.

And one more thing, because I'm really bored whit that kind of "arguments", it has been stated long time ago that science doesn’t operate with any real proof (like mathematics), but that doesn’t proof anything.
Gieter
Panrac wrote:
One word about "evil as the absence of good". It's definitely not new; it comes from Socrates.
And I don't think we should call it an argument it is rather a definition or explanation.

And one more thing, because I'm really bored whit that kind of "arguments", it has been stated long time ago that science doesn’t operate with any real proof (like mathematics), but that doesn’t proof anything.


I totally agree with you.
A well-used pattern by believers:
"Thing x, proved by science, isn't that all correct." Then, they conclude that science on itself isn't correct, thus religion is the way to go. Really logical. Rolling Eyes
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