How would you like to live in a perfect world, one where there is no crime, no wars, nothing but goodness?
But what if the price of this would be to give up everything you know, including your freedom of speech, with a system of censors, and where you have no say what happens in this world, but its all decided for you. On the one hand you’ll be living like kings and on the other if you don’t like the fact that you are tagged and everything you do is monitored then you will have to die, if you don’t work you will die, if you cause the slightest bit of trouble then you die. Which is more important to you, your freedom of speech, or the way in which you live.
We used to have a perfect world, well, for a short while. Then Eve ate off of the forbidden tree, and thus proved that humans do not always listen to God, so therefore "evil" was created.
But I would not surrender my freedoms to live in a perfect world, no.
Sounds more like the illusion of goodness to me.
How could anyone be happy in that situation, wouldn't we be living in fear every single day? Even if we'd generally be happy, free speech is the most powerful tool we have, I woudn't give it up.
A perfect world is simply imposibble it will never happen, humankind as long as all existance it far to complex and diverse for there to be a perfect world. "The Perfect World" is an invention of the major relgions of the world to help promote their cause. But this is only my opinoin.
Existance came from chaos [ie: Big bang, sting theory, evolution] and to chaos it will return.
~Art
O ya I forgot to say, Religion would be outlawed, it serves no purpose, making Soulfires point irrelevant
You do know Soulfire, that the catholic church changed their minds on the whole genesis thing, that it is not fact only a type of parable?
I'm not saying that you are a catholic, or that you are wrong, I'm just saying,
@Garnet: You would not live in fear, if you have nothing to fear, if YOU step out of line, you die, not if the government likes you or not. You will only have yourself to blame
Ah ok, but could I ask who would be the one to decide whether or not my actions are wrong? I knew when I posted that that probably wasn't the sort of answer you were looking for, but I would need to know whether or not corruption could be a problem.
I remember seeing a movie about this, actually more movies about this subject.
What you are talking about is deviated from the communist ideology. Ofcourse i find nothing wrong with it. Comunism is a great concept, but it can never be applied in real life because of us, men 
What you're describing isn't a perfect world to me I'm afraid. I prefer freedom op speech above having all those things, I also wouldn't be happy if I didn't have that freedom of speech. I think most find freedom of speech so natural, that if they would live in a system where there's no freedom of speech they would get irritated and start protesting against the government, despite having other luxury. I simply don't like totalitarian governmnents.
But what if you don't know freedom of speech, and what you do know is it leads to a bad violent world, there were people who grew up under Nazi rule who said they liked it better than now. The Law is simple, you do as you are told or you are killed, same goes for the government, any form of corruption means death, and I don't think that a 12 people true secular human group would elect a corrupt leader, and the magic thing is, there is no money, so they can't be bought off, with anything because everything they could want it theirs for the taking, as long as it is not owned by another.
do we get to eat soma in your world?
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| do we get to eat some in your world? |
Yes, you have everything in that world, except for freedom of speech, that's what it's all about. You also would be monitored, and from the moment you do something wrong you'll get killed.Then still no 
I'd like to know that the world is doing well because they made a conscious decision to do so, not because they're afraid of dying. Also it would be a scary thing to have everyone simply follow someone else's instructions (even if they are well-intentioned) without thinking for themselves. Even a 12 people true secular human group can be wrong.
If the world we're talking about is perfect, everything except the freedom of speech, I still don't think I'd want to live in it since it sounds so gosh darn boring 
Would you go for it Simulator? | Garnet wrote: |
Then still no
I'd like to know that the world is doing well because they made a conscious decision to do so, not because they're afraid of dying. Also it would be a scary thing to have everyone simply follow someone else's instructions (even if they are well-intentioned) without thinking for themselves. Even a 12 people true secular human group can be wrong.
If the world we're talking about is perfect, everything except the freedom of speech, I still don't think I'd want to live in it since it sounds so gosh darn boring
Would you go for it Simulator? |
Yes, I like the idea, well I did create it, its not that you live in fear, you live in safety that you know you will not break the law, and you live your life they way you want to, doing what you want, but if you do not work you die. | Quote: |
How would you like to live in a perfect world, one where there is no crime, no wars, nothing but goodness?
But what if the price of this would be to give up everything you know, including your freedom of speech, with a system of censors, and where you have no say what happens in this world, but its all decided for you. On the one hand you’ll be living like kings and on the other if you don’t like the fact that you are tagged and everything you do is monitored then you will have to die, if you don’t work you will die, if you cause the slightest bit of trouble then you die. Which is more important to you, your freedom of speech, or the way in which you live. |
this sounds a lot like that book "The Giver". but it would seem like a pretty boring place without all the speech thingy but if you think about it, that's a lot how it is now. we got censors everywhere, just not as hardcore like "if you don't work you will die" sort of thing, more like "if you don't work, we won't care about you, then you will die slowly because of lack of money" thing going on.
but can i ask a question? can i try that perfect world out for like a week? and if i like it i'll keep it and if i dont' like it can i return to the world i'm in now? because that perfect world sounds like a very interesting place, i'd like to see how society is able to hold up in a place like that. whenever i think of a place like that i imagine like one of those futuristic movies, where everything is white and round-edged with little living rooms and even smaller bedrooms. food comes in pills and we have screens and wireless taps everywhere we turn. sounds like a fun place to be in, but don't know if it's just for me. | Simulator wrote: |
| O ya I forgot to say, Religion would be outlawed, it serves no purpose, making Soulfires point irrelevant |
This will happen one day. There are already movements in Europe to accomplish this. The strange thing is that this type of thinking and activity was prophesied in the Bible - just before Armageddon.
Makes you think doesn't it?
The human race will never achieve a perfect world on its own. Even genetic manipulation and cloning will not help. Who decides on the perfect specimen? Who decides on the laws? Men like Lenin and Hitler have already tried to make their perfect worlds. The concept of Communism was in fact based on Jewish teachings, only without a God. It became very corrupt and was seriously abused by all subsequent leaders and variations.
Nazism and Fascism in general also failed after causing great misery to millions of people. It may have been the systems themselves or it may have been only the leaders who were flawed - you decide - the point is that they failed and all such attempts always will. Humans are not robots. Once we stop being human, there is nothing left. | Simulator wrote: |
O ya I forgot to say, Religion would be outlawed, it serves no purpose, making Soulfires point irrelevant
You do know Soulfire, that the catholic church changed their minds on the whole genesis thing, that it is not fact only a type of parable?
I'm not saying that you are a catholic, or that you are wrong, I'm just saying, |
Outlawing something does not make it true or false. Outlawing religion would not erase God, God still would exist, just as much as He exists today. It serves ALL purposes. ALL purpose is derrived from religion.
I am Catholic, but I am not listening to you, you are NO authority on the Catholic Church, and it's not your place to say what the Catholic Church believes or not.This question is truly worthy of praise,
is there a world hidden from our gaze?
Perfection and totality are limits beyond,
only achievable with the help of God.
The points you raise are truly right,
all our freedoms are worth a fight
It's also an illusion like the rest
that explains heaven and God at best
But at what cost do we draw the line
between perfection and loss of something fine
coz I don't see the two going hand in hand,
rather any loss would see perfection banned.
And adam and eve in the garden before,
perfection will never again restore
without the will of a God above,
who redeems us all out of love.
and yes, you can say "just another story"
but for me a reason for eternal glory.
Before we die we will never know,
but believe and you'll see your halo glow.
| Simulator wrote: |
How would you like to live in a perfect world, one where there is no crime, no wars, nothing but goodness?
But what if the price of this would be to give up everything you know, including your freedom of speech, with a system of censors, and where you have no say what happens in this world, but its all decided for you. On the one hand you’ll be living like kings and on the other if you don’t like the fact that you are tagged and everything you do is monitored then you will have to die, if you don’t work you will die, if you cause the slightest bit of trouble then you die. Which is more important to you, your freedom of speech, or the way in which you live. |
I wouldn't want a "perfect world" like that, because a world like that WOULDN'T be perfect, not if I had to give up a whole lot of my rights. | Simulator wrote: |
How would you like to live in a perfect world, one where there is no crime, no wars, nothing but goodness?
But what if the price of this would be to give up everything you know, including your freedom of speech, with a system of censors, and where you have no say what happens in this world, but its all decided for you. On the one hand you’ll be living like kings and on the other if you don’t like the fact that you are tagged and everything you do is monitored then you will have to die, if you don’t work you will die, if you cause the slightest bit of trouble then you die. Which is more important to you, your freedom of speech, or the way in which you live. |
It's a waste of time to wonder about a 'perfect' world. Just another thing to imagine like god. I think our time would be better spent paying attention to why we can't seem to live together in peace. Why people are still going without food, medicine, and shelter. People need to look at themselves for once and see what needs taking care of. The important things. All this talk of god and peace and perfect worlds and we don't live any of that. We don't know it. We are violent and dangerous and greedy, and full of fear and jealousy and competition. We don't even know ourselves, how can we approach perfect? No, no. We can't win with a losing hand.
MThe world you describe is the opposite of perfect. In a perfect world everyone would be free to speak their mind and follow their dreams, no war, no intolerance, no oppression. Unfortunately we humans can't seem to get around the traits that in the past were necessary for survival. Bottom line though, if it meant that I would lose all my rights, I'd rather live in this world, as messed up as it is at times...
