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-Scientology-Is it truly believable?
The history behind scientology is that it began with a vision from Elron Hubbard. He theorized that all of our problems, feelings and thoughts come from souls that transfer from body to body throughout eternity. Our souls are actually alien life forms that were killed millions of years ago because planets were overpopulated. They were sent to earth to be destroyed but the souls of the deceased tried to return home, but soul catchers were built in the sky and sent back down to earth into brain washing factories. The factories brain washed the souls, making them believe in a false reality, after which the souls wandered the earth until they could find hosts in the form of human bodies.
I mean, there are so many theories out there that make sense. If you think about it, i suppose this theory could be possible. But the theory of our evolution and existence all from a science fiction writer? And the fact that you have to pay thousands upon thousands of dollars to support this theory or to learn more about it makes it sound even worse. I read on a site that in order to use some sort of "bridge" to raise your status within the religion, you have to pay upwards of $300,000 to $500,000 dollars. And people are actually paying it to recieve his higher status. Tom Cruise, R. Kelly, Isaac Hayes, and John Travolta are a few of the famous people that are paying out millions of dollars to be part of this religion and to gain higher status. There seem to be positive points about it, but the negative and unbelievable stories make it hard to muster.
Is Scientlogy truly believable?
I mean, there are so many theories out there that make sense. If you think about it, i suppose this theory could be possible. But the theory of our evolution and existence all from a science fiction writer? And the fact that you have to pay thousands upon thousands of dollars to support this theory or to learn more about it makes it sound even worse. I read on a site that in order to use some sort of "bridge" to raise your status within the religion, you have to pay upwards of $300,000 to $500,000 dollars. And people are actually paying it to recieve his higher status. Tom Cruise, R. Kelly, Isaac Hayes, and John Travolta are a few of the famous people that are paying out millions of dollars to be part of this religion and to gain higher status. There seem to be positive points about it, but the negative and unbelievable stories make it hard to muster.
Is Scientlogy truly believable?
They were brought to Earth in spaceships that bear an amazing resemblance to airliners of the 1950s. They were then piled round volcanoes & blown up with atom bombs.
L Ron Hubbard is either totally off his trolley, or a damned good con man... or both!
L Ron Hubbard is either totally off his trolley, or a damned good con man... or both!
Scientology is a load of hogwash, but it's no more far-fetched than any other major religion.
L Ron Hubbard is said to have made a bet that the best way to get rich is to found a religion, and the structure of scientology seems to support that rumor. A religion centered solely around monetary wealth would seem to be a bet-type of religion.
I often wonder if the folks investing all their cash in this crap actually believe it, or are simply in there due to a popularity/status thing, or if they're all laughing at us for actually believing that they believe this BS.
L Ron Hubbard is said to have made a bet that the best way to get rich is to found a religion, and the structure of scientology seems to support that rumor. A religion centered solely around monetary wealth would seem to be a bet-type of religion.
I often wonder if the folks investing all their cash in this crap actually believe it, or are simply in there due to a popularity/status thing, or if they're all laughing at us for actually believing that they believe this BS.
Having studied Scientology from the inside -- admittedly very slightly -- but very close to the actual Scientological people -- I agree that it’s hogwash. Here’s my true story.
I went undercover with a friend where we played the roles of people wanting to find out about Scientology. For the record, we did not lie, but I also refrained from calling Scientology rigamarole, and it was probably interpreted by the nice folks there that we were interested in the worshipping aspect, rather than the studying of the worshipping aspect.
We were in one of the cities where they have the good-sized churches and educational centers. I had a rare (for me) opportunity to get the full Scientology introductory spiel, to watch their descriptional movies, read their literature, and ask Scientologists questions. (If you think I ask questions in writing, you should see what I do in person
.) I later spent some serious time in one of their public museums, and found out a lot more. I also started reading some of L. Ron Hubbard’s religious books but didn’t finish because there was no need to, given that I had my verdict: stultiloquence!
Yes, I’d a priori figured it was balderdash, but I wanted to see for myself. And that’s what I did. My mind is independent enough that if I did happen to unexpectedly find some Truth there, I was Free to accept it. But, alas, there was only folderol.
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What do y’all think about this next thing? I didn’t answer the poll, above, because the Truth of my answer would have been obscured. The following is true:
but not for the reasons I believe the author, altikris, intended.
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I think the latter. His stuff is very very good (if you know what I mean). I think of him like I do of many of the smarter religious (and political) leaders who are excellent at getting followers but they don’t believe their own skimble-skamble.
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So, who likes my word usage herein
? A thesaurus is a very handy tool because it actually works, whereas the funny-looking Scientology “auditing” tool gives us only flummery -- and not because it's funny-looking. (I also made up some words here as I'm apt to do when it fits my purposes grammatically, etc.)
Last edited by The Philosopher Princess on Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:06 am; edited 1 time in total
I went undercover with a friend where we played the roles of people wanting to find out about Scientology. For the record, we did not lie, but I also refrained from calling Scientology rigamarole, and it was probably interpreted by the nice folks there that we were interested in the worshipping aspect, rather than the studying of the worshipping aspect.
We were in one of the cities where they have the good-sized churches and educational centers. I had a rare (for me) opportunity to get the full Scientology introductory spiel, to watch their descriptional movies, read their literature, and ask Scientologists questions. (If you think I ask questions in writing, you should see what I do in person
.) I later spent some serious time in one of their public museums, and found out a lot more. I also started reading some of L. Ron Hubbard’s religious books but didn’t finish because there was no need to, given that I had my verdict: stultiloquence!
Yes, I’d a priori figured it was balderdash, but I wanted to see for myself. And that’s what I did. My mind is independent enough that if I did happen to unexpectedly find some Truth there, I was Free to accept it. But, alas, there was only folderol.
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What do y’all think about this next thing? I didn’t answer the poll, above, because the Truth of my answer would have been obscured. The following is true:
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| Yes i wouldnt mind paying to worship Scientology |
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| DoctorBeaver wrote: |
| L Ron Hubbard is either totally off his trolley, or a damned good con man... or both! |
I think the latter. His stuff is very very good (if you know what I mean). I think of him like I do of many of the smarter religious (and political) leaders who are excellent at getting followers but they don’t believe their own skimble-skamble.
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So, who likes my word usage herein
? A thesaurus is a very handy tool because it actually works, whereas the funny-looking Scientology “auditing” tool gives us only flummery -- and not because it's funny-looking. (I also made up some words here as I'm apt to do when it fits my purposes grammatically, etc.) Last edited by The Philosopher Princess on Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:06 am; edited 1 time in total
you made my brain hurt...
| dragonflame wrote: |
| you made my brain hurt... |
That’s a good thing!
Tonight during your dreams, your subconscious will ponder this in a way that your conscious can’t, and I bet tomorrow you will be aware of something on this that you’re not aware of right now. (At least that’s a possibility
!) (Our own minds work better alone than with the Scientology “auditing” tool.)scientology seems to be a popular topic lately...
did you guys hear about the voice talent for chef from south park quitting bec of their scientology episode? You can watch the episode in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi5O3jXnksQ&search=scientology
did you guys hear about the voice talent for chef from south park quitting bec of their scientology episode? You can watch the episode in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi5O3jXnksQ&search=scientology
Yes, I did hear about that. I don’t find any evidence that South Park was any worse on Scientology than any other religion, big-headed celebrity, funny fad, etc. Do you?
(I adore South Park for its total irreverence of seemingly everything. However, I can’t stand the really gross things they do. So, I have a serious love-hate relationship with them.)
(I adore South Park for its total irreverence of seemingly everything. However, I can’t stand the really gross things they do. So, I have a serious love-hate relationship with them.)
| The Philosopher Princess wrote: |
| Yes, I did hear about that. I don’t find any evidence that South Park was any worse on Scientology than any other religion, big-headed celebrity, funny fad, etc. Do you?
(I adore South Park for its total irreverence of seemingly everything. However, I can’t stand the really gross things they do. So, I have a serious love-hate relationship with them.) |
not at all, I'd say they are worse on christian and jews...and the ironic thing is, he just bought more attention to this fiasco by quitting when it could have been ignored.
| altikris wrote: |
| The history behind scientology is that it began with a vision from Elron Hubbard. He theorized that all of our problems, feelings and thoughts come from souls that transfer from body to body throughout eternity. Our souls are actually alien life forms that were killed millions of years ago because planets were overpopulated. They were sent to earth to be destroyed but the souls of the deceased tried to return home, but soul catchers were built in the sky and sent back down to earth into brain washing factories. The factories brain washed the souls, making them believe in a false reality, after which the souls wandered the earth until they could find hosts in the form of human bodies.
I mean, there are so many theories out there that make sense. If you think about it, i suppose this theory could be possible. But the theory of our evolution and existence all from a science fiction writer? And the fact that you have to pay thousands upon thousands of dollars to support this theory or to learn more about it makes it sound even worse. I read on a site that in order to use some sort of "bridge" to raise your status within the religion, you have to pay upwards of $300,000 to $500,000 dollars. And people are actually paying it to recieve his higher status. Tom Cruise, R. Kelly, Isaac Hayes, and John Travolta are a few of the famous people that are paying out millions of dollars to be part of this religion and to gain higher status. There seem to be positive points about it, but the negative and unbelievable stories make it hard to muster. Is Scientlogy truly believable? |
What do you have to be smoking in order to come up with this theory?
Oops lol i voted yes, I didnt even read anything but the word scientology so I just said yes and yea my bad, what is scientology?
| dz9c wrote: |
| what is scientology? |
Scientology is the Study of an alien Species called Super Califrag Ilistic Expialidocious eveN, or S.C.I.E.N., hence scien-tology. Each member of this Species is called an um diddle diddle diddle um diddle ay.
And if you believe that, I have a Sun in the S.C.I.E.N Solar System I’d like to Sell you for a Sizeable Sum of Spondulics.
I know you had to be kidding with your question, so I’m kidding with my answer.
Anyone who wants to research my answer can look up “Mary Poppins” and/or “Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious”. I hope this was as much fun for you as it was for me!
Are you kidding are you seriously asking if Scientology is a religion? Yeah right. Oh wait it is. Religion is just a form of social control, if people follow it and act in the manner prescribed by the religion then it works. It would best be described as a cult, but it is a religion. There is no truth to it, but there is not truth to Catholicism, or Christianity, or any other religion. They are BELIEF systems to explain things that people can't understand.
DO I think you should PAY to worship Scientology? Sure if you are that in need of meaning in your life then you should pay for the privledge to mentally feel better by worshipping something. However if you have even the smallest of common sense or education then you can probably pass on the religion and just live life the way it was meant to be lived.
DO I think you should PAY to worship Scientology? Sure if you are that in need of meaning in your life then you should pay for the privledge to mentally feel better by worshipping something. However if you have even the smallest of common sense or education then you can probably pass on the religion and just live life the way it was meant to be lived.
scientology = stupidity
just because one man a looong time ago couldn't pick a sensible religion that already existed and was accepted by most of the world is beyond me. i cant believe the stuff this dude made up to sell "church" to rich saps! you'd have to have the I.Q. of a rock to fall for something as lame as this!
Here is a great movie all about Scientology, it is defenitely worth checking out. http://www.zipperfish.net/free/yaafm11.php[/url]
Here is the "controversial" South Park episode about scientology its one of my favorite episodes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t8LkfRkIDk&search=trapped%20in%20the%20closet
Last Sunday (9th April), The Observer carried a reprint of a Rolling Stone article about The Church of Scientology (you can read it here). The author spent a lot of time (and fustration) attempting to understand exactly what goes inside this most secretive of religions.
The criticisms of Scientology's financial cost are largely irrelevent (people pay money for the stupidest things, so spending £2000 for "auditing" is no more ridiculous than paying £80 on a T-shirt that has the name of your favourite player on it).
The bits that worry me are:
The criticisms of Scientology's financial cost are largely irrelevent (people pay money for the stupidest things, so spending £2000 for "auditing" is no more ridiculous than paying £80 on a T-shirt that has the name of your favourite player on it).
The bits that worry me are:
- The intollerance of criticism (both internal and external).
The lack of transparency it its operations.
The idea that a mediocre (at best) science-fiction writer is some sort of messiah.
The idea that some half-baked science-fiction plot (including the compulsory silly made-up names) constitutes a religion.
That an organisation with between 100,000 to 200,000 active members (they claim 10,000,000 members) can act as a censor of television programmes.
It's an interesting science fiction story, as facinating as any other (science fictions) stories we hear from religious people. One of them must be right, though...
Moderator Note:
I have split this topic into 2 topics so that this discussion on Scientology and another 1 on lots and lots of things can continue unfettered. The new topic is located at: A debate of religion, science, and more. Check out my intro over there too!
I have split this topic into 2 topics so that this discussion on Scientology and another 1 on lots and lots of things can continue unfettered.
The new topic is located at: A debate of religion, science, and more. Check out my intro over there too! Science is only discovering the things that God has known for ever!
I'm not telling that science is bad, medical research is a good thing, then again things like searching for life in space is a wast of time and money!!
God knows everything, believe or not!
I'm not telling that science is bad, medical research is a good thing, then again things like searching for life in space is a wast of time and money!!
God knows everything, believe or not!
| Whong wrote: |
| Science is only discovering the things that God has known for ever!
I'm not telling that science is bad, medical research is a good thing, then again things like searching for life in space is a wast of time and money!! |
Macaroni and cheese is a good thing as long as it’s made with real cheese!
Sorry! It’s just that my statement seems to be as on-topic as the above. Seriously, could it be that you are equating science and Scientology? They are different animals, though the words seem similar.
| Whong wrote: |
| God knows everything, believe or not! |
Then -- since you know that God knows everything -- believe it or not, you must know everything plus 1.
If you were talking about Scientology, please continue, and show us how. Otherwise, I will probably move continuances of this discussion over to the other new topic.
People call me crazy! But seriously, it doesn't sound too plausible to me, I'm not presented with enough evidence, and my natural faith doesn't really tell me that's right, and intuition if you will, but that's only my opinion.
If you have ever played the game Fallout2, there is a post apocolyptic religion called the Hubologists. They want you to pay them money to join and for status. They mention other things as unbeleiveable as the general gist of scientology. And they even have "actors" suporting and promoting it. Although in the game they are from the adult entertainment comunity. But though it sounds skewed, I don't think the games mangling of the religion is any worse then the real explanation.
And on a final note, the name should be sciencefictology, because when you break down the name down, one might think it was a study of science. And persuing a degree in physics I have grown fond of qualifiable and quantifiable proofs and experiments.
And on my final final note,
, I am religious. I do find that science and religion can suport and deepen eachother. But in both cases one must tread carfully to pick out the truth. And while I find that they can suport one another, they should not be used to prove one or the other.
And on a final note, the name should be sciencefictology, because when you break down the name down, one might think it was a study of science. And persuing a degree in physics I have grown fond of qualifiable and quantifiable proofs and experiments.
And on my final final note,
, I am religious. I do find that science and religion can suport and deepen eachother. But in both cases one must tread carfully to pick out the truth. And while I find that they can suport one another, they should not be used to prove one or the other.
And people send so much of thier time trying to prove that God does not exist and that there was a big bang. Scientology is an absolute krock of ...
| springbok wrote: |
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And people send so much of thier time trying to prove that God does not exist and that there was a big bang. Scientology is an absolute krock of ... |
There is no possible way to prove that "a" god doesn't exist. The big bang theory doesn't exclude the existence of a god.
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There is no possible way to prove that "a" god doesn't exist. The big bang theory doesn't exclude the existence of a god. |
Yes, excactly, and also there is no real proof for the big bang theory either!
I believe in God and that He created this world!
There is no posibility prove these things, it is a waste of time! The choise is your what to believe!
PS. Good one, Bondings!
It would disprove the idea that the earth was made x thousand years ago, but many fervent Christians don't believe that anyway. My grandfather is a vicar, as is my aunt, and neither of them believe that.
But you could certainly claim God as the instigator of the big bang, the guiding hand in the chaos. A good friend of mine claims that life evolves - because God gave it this ability, and uses evolution as a tool to guide the development of His creations.
There's a good example in the Rainbow. Science claims that rainbows are caused by diffraction of white light through suspended water particles.
A question to the religious readers here. Are rainbows:
A) Created by God, using the diffraction of white light through suspended water particles, or
B) Created by God. Diffraction doesn't come into it, it's God's direct handiwork.
But you could certainly claim God as the instigator of the big bang, the guiding hand in the chaos. A good friend of mine claims that life evolves - because God gave it this ability, and uses evolution as a tool to guide the development of His creations.
There's a good example in the Rainbow. Science claims that rainbows are caused by diffraction of white light through suspended water particles.
A question to the religious readers here. Are rainbows:
A) Created by God, using the diffraction of white light through suspended water particles, or
B) Created by God. Diffraction doesn't come into it, it's God's direct handiwork.
| Whong wrote: |
| Yes, excactly, and also there is no real proof for the big bang theory either! |
There is no absolute proof of it. Just like there is not absolute proof of anything.
However, all current experiments and observations (and that's a lot) are pointing towards this theory. Of course there is always the possibility that it is disproved. But then it would be replaced by a very similar theory, like god making it look like the big bang happened.
By the way, the universe is currently expanding. You can see the light of starts from hundreds of millions of years ago. There is background radiation from the big bang detectet, the same as predicted 20 years before the first observations.
| Subsonic Sound wrote: |
| It would disprove the idea that the earth was made x thousand years ago, but many fervent Christians don't believe that anyway. My grandfather is a vicar, as is my aunt, and neither of them believe that.
But you could certainly claim God as the instigator of the big bang, the guiding hand in the chaos. A good friend of mine claims that life evolves - because God gave it this ability, and uses evolution as a tool to guide the development of His creations. There's a good example in the Rainbow. Science claims that rainbows are caused by diffraction of white light through suspended water particles. A question to the religious readers here. Are rainbows: A) Created by God, using the diffraction of white light through suspended water particles, or B) Created by God. Diffraction doesn't come into it, it's God's direct handiwork. |
Well that question is a hard thing to answer!
If I should choose I'd choose B) because I believe that its God handiwork and that He alone made it!
First of all i find Scientology very weird religion , even in Macedonia we have Hubbard center where people are recruiting new blood , they have some tests to show you how much you are stressed , these are pamphlets or flares and are in every mail box , and you can see by this test what is your stress level , but there is no way to gain result where you have no stress , so when you are going to see that you have stress then you have to call this number on the flier and you go there for free teachings how to calm your stress , and brainwashing starts , there was one time when one guy ring on my door and he was trying to convince me that i am stressed from life and how is good to listen their teaching , so i slammed the door not saying anything , and they don't bother me at all now , but the mail box i full whit theirs stuff like flier's and test and its very annoying but that is that , the way that they are trying to build something in Macedonia but its hard for them because the people here most of them are very poor and they are don't interested in such bullshit that they offer .
i think its a another religion which has no base at all, I am not sure why some people wants to be a Scientologist.
If this was a science fiction book it would be voted one of the best of all time, but this is a religion and I think its crazy.
maybe that is what made tom cruize do the couch jump opra thing
maybe that is what made tom cruize do the couch jump opra thing
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