Human has already cloned a bunch of living organisms. There are a lot of problems. One problem is that when you clone, the new clone is the same age as the original organism. This means it won't live very long. Is cloning helpful? It can be and can not be.
Cloning
I don't think it's really helpful to just clone an entire human. OK, so you have someone that will look like you when he's grown up (not entirely, looks are also effected by environment), and the clone is just another person, only someone with the same DNA as you. Nothing helpful about it at all.
Therapeutical cloning can come in very handy however.
Therapeutical cloning can come in very handy however.
I agree with Gieter. You'll just share the same DNA with the person that has been cloned. No advantages. Although we are pretty close to being able to clone almost any living organist, in my opinion, we will, however, encounter, some legal issues regarding this cloning thing. There will be lots of people against cloning, so I don't think we would ever get it legalised.
I don't think there is any real use to cloning... unless people start mass producing huma clones or something. Then the world will be like Gundam Seed (an anime series). With so much discrimination and all the problems... I think the less things that we do the less problems we will have (no brainer =PP). But seriously humas are advancing in technology too fast (in my opnion ) and we are too smart for our own good...
It could wreak havoc upon future retinal imprint and DNA based security systems. But really, it would be no different than having an identical twin.
I don't believe we can make "copies" of things. We can copy DNA into a new "life" and have it become exactly teh same, but we can't make a clone of something yet as far as I know. Not a full organism out of nothing. We can copy their DNA and make something that will act the same biologically. Unless I'm wrong here, then please correct me.
Ahh cloning;
Well, cloning does NOT produce a copy of an individual the same age as the original. DNA material from the donor is used in the fertilization process and a baby is born an exact genetic copy of the donor, but a baby! Would this “copy” be a “copy”? Well, genetically yes but realistically no. There is much more that makes up a person than genetics; environment, beliefs, parents, etc.
Is cloning humans useful? Possibly. If an exact copy of a diseased organ could be grown or a new arm/finger for one that has been amputated this would a Nobel effort. But politicians have us so scared of the facts of cloning that the mere mention makes some people crazy.
Don’t be swayed so easily. Get the facts yourself. See http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/elsi/cloning.shtml
Chris
Well, cloning does NOT produce a copy of an individual the same age as the original. DNA material from the donor is used in the fertilization process and a baby is born an exact genetic copy of the donor, but a baby! Would this “copy” be a “copy”? Well, genetically yes but realistically no. There is much more that makes up a person than genetics; environment, beliefs, parents, etc.
Is cloning humans useful? Possibly. If an exact copy of a diseased organ could be grown or a new arm/finger for one that has been amputated this would a Nobel effort. But politicians have us so scared of the facts of cloning that the mere mention makes some people crazy.
Don’t be swayed so easily. Get the facts yourself. See http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/elsi/cloning.shtml
Chris
Eh cloning huh? well as ocalhoun stated it could wreak havoc on things like genetic stability and things like that. But it is very possible to clone things, even humans but its been outlawed because of that.
So I don't really see a point to cloning myself. I mean if i wanted to be immortal I wouldn't clone myself, I would just build an indestructable cybernectic body that didn't age.
So I don't really see a point to cloning myself. I mean if i wanted to be immortal I wouldn't clone myself, I would just build an indestructable cybernectic body that didn't age.
I agree. I wouldn't really clone myself. I think the only good thing about cloning is that scientists can do testing on organisms with similar DNA. Other than that, I say cloning is pointless.
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| I agree. I wouldn't really clone myself. I think the only good thing about cloning is that scientists can do testing on organisms with similar DNA. Other than that, I say cloning is pointless. |
Just to play devil's advocate:
If you needed a transplant, would you be interested in a cloned heart? No rejection, perfect match completely.
Have a favorite pet that died? Maybe you'd like a clone of that critter.
Can't have a kid? Have a clone!
Just some quick ideas that might give cloning a point.
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Just to play devil's advocate: If you needed a transplant, would you be interested in a cloned heart? No rejection, perfect match completely. Have a favorite pet that died? Maybe you'd like a clone of that critter. Can't have a kid? Have a clone! Just some quick ideas that might give cloning a point. |
Those are some goof things, but, I still don't think cloning is right.
Just to play devil's advocate:
If you needed a transplant, would you be interested in a cloned heart? No rejection, perfect match completely.
Have a favorite pet that died? Maybe you'd like a clone of that critter.
Can't have a kid? Have a clone!
Just some quick ideas that might give cloning a point.[/quote]
Those are some goof things, but, I still don't think cloning is right.[/quote]
Yeah, it really is a big issue. I personally have to stay neutral until I know more about it. Hey, isn't that always a good idea
If you needed a transplant, would you be interested in a cloned heart? No rejection, perfect match completely.
Have a favorite pet that died? Maybe you'd like a clone of that critter.
Can't have a kid? Have a clone!
Just some quick ideas that might give cloning a point.[/quote]
Those are some goof things, but, I still don't think cloning is right.[/quote]
Yeah, it really is a big issue. I personally have to stay neutral until I know more about it. Hey, isn't that always a good idea
| HoboPelican wrote: |
| Just to play devil's advocate:
If you needed a transplant, would you be interested in a cloned heart? No rejection, perfect match completely. Have a favorite pet that died? Maybe you'd like a clone of that critter. Can't have a kid? Have a clone! Just some quick ideas that might give cloning a point. |
Those are some goof things, but, I still don't think cloning is right.[/quote]
Yeah, it really is a big issue. I personally have to stay neutral until I know more about it. Hey, isn't that always a good idea
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Yep.
Also, if you had to choose today, what would you say?| william wrote: |
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Yep. Also, if you had to choose today, what would you say? |
No clone for me thank you. I've lived a pretty good life am and not looking to to prolong the agony
And while I sure miss a couple old pets, I wouldn't get them cloned either..They had their time and there are plenty of other animals that need a home!
But that;s just me
I pretty much agree with you. I think we sould leave life as it is.
Isnt it illegal anyway? Although I dont think joe from down the street would have a cloning lab in his basement but yea its wrong.
dz let me clarify that for you, its illegal to clone humans and thats it, its quite exeptable to clone animals and other creatures. Just make sure their not human before you start your home project 
| Reaper wrote: |
| dz let me clarify that for you, its illegal to clone humans and thats it, its quite exeptable to clone animals and other creatures. Just make sure their not human before you start your home project |
Hmmm, I know some folks who are barely human, ya think the DA would look the other way?
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Hmmm, I know some folks who are barely human, ya think the DA would look the other way? |
Do you think it'll ever be legal?Cloning Humans is Illegas till today but maybe made legal after thousands of such experiments on other similar species.
However , cloning will be much more advanced in the days to come.
Hope it will be successfull on apes and other anilmals which are similar to the species as that of the Humans
However , cloning will be much more advanced in the days to come.
Hope it will be successfull on apes and other anilmals which are similar to the species as that of the Humans
from http://www.roslin.ac.uk/public/cloning.html
Much confusion happens when people see the word "clone" used. Depending on the age of the dictionary, the definition of biological cloning can be:
* A group of genetically identical individuals descended from the same parent by asexual reproduction. Many plants show this by producing suckers, tubers or bulbs to colonise the area around the parent.
* A group of genetically identical cells produced by mitotic division from an original cell. This is where the cell creates anew set of chromosomes and splits into two daughter cells. This is how replacement cells are produced in your body when the old ones wear out.
* A group of DNA molecules produced from an original length of DNA sequences produced by a bacterium or a virus using molecular biology techniques. This is what is often called molecular cloning or DNA cloning
* The production of genetically identical animals by 'embryo splitting'. This can occur naturally at the two cell stage to give identical twins. In cattle, when individual cells from 4- and 8-cell embryos and implanted in different foster mothers, they can develop normally into calves and this technique has been used routinely within cattle breeding schemes for over 10 years.
* The creation of one or more genetically identical animals by transferring the nucleus of a body cell into an egg from which the nucleus has been removed. This is also known as Nuclear Transfer (NT) or cell nuclear replacement (CNR) and is how Dolly was produced.
Much confusion happens when people see the word "clone" used. Depending on the age of the dictionary, the definition of biological cloning can be:
* A group of genetically identical individuals descended from the same parent by asexual reproduction. Many plants show this by producing suckers, tubers or bulbs to colonise the area around the parent.
* A group of genetically identical cells produced by mitotic division from an original cell. This is where the cell creates anew set of chromosomes and splits into two daughter cells. This is how replacement cells are produced in your body when the old ones wear out.
* A group of DNA molecules produced from an original length of DNA sequences produced by a bacterium or a virus using molecular biology techniques. This is what is often called molecular cloning or DNA cloning
* The production of genetically identical animals by 'embryo splitting'. This can occur naturally at the two cell stage to give identical twins. In cattle, when individual cells from 4- and 8-cell embryos and implanted in different foster mothers, they can develop normally into calves and this technique has been used routinely within cattle breeding schemes for over 10 years.
* The creation of one or more genetically identical animals by transferring the nucleus of a body cell into an egg from which the nucleus has been removed. This is also known as Nuclear Transfer (NT) or cell nuclear replacement (CNR) and is how Dolly was produced.
I lik esome of the points thus far. Cloning happens all the time in our own bodies, replacing damaged cells, and making new ones for growth. Bacteria reproduce by cloning themselves.
Cloning is an emotive word, and people imagine armies of identical people marching around a la "brave new world" (although cloning isnt actually used), but generally cloning is a process that is applied to bacteria and aribidopsis in labs. The cloning of large multicellular mammals is simply, at the moment, a test of the technology used to clone, an intelectual excercise. It has no real application beyond improving cloning techniques.
It would be pointless to clone an entire organism, such as a human, except for organ harvest, and it is yet to be seen that nuclear replacement clones produce viable healthy organs in the long term.
But cloning to produce stem cells may produce alot of promise
Cloning is an emotive word, and people imagine armies of identical people marching around a la "brave new world" (although cloning isnt actually used), but generally cloning is a process that is applied to bacteria and aribidopsis in labs. The cloning of large multicellular mammals is simply, at the moment, a test of the technology used to clone, an intelectual excercise. It has no real application beyond improving cloning techniques.
It would be pointless to clone an entire organism, such as a human, except for organ harvest, and it is yet to be seen that nuclear replacement clones produce viable healthy organs in the long term.
But cloning to produce stem cells may produce alot of promise
May I also point out that identical twins (where one zygote splits into two) are genetic "clones" of each other, not through artificial manipulation but through natural fluke. This shows that although we think of "cloning" as unnatural, it occurs relatively frequently in the natural world.
In some ways it can be definitily helpful. But the question is how to to this help more human. Human clonning is very inhuman, but i dont think that the embryonal stadium and the benefits in healing are inhuman enough to be more inhuman than let die in pain 30 years old man or woman with memories, children and so on. Embryo is a human creature, but is his life so precious like the life of the 30 year human? Embryo is a bunch of cells with no memories and i think its worth but its much worthy to let life 30 year human.
| Dragate wrote: |
| But seriously humas are advancing in technology too fast (in my opnion ) and we are too smart for our own good... |
We are so smart for the best of us, its just that they use their knowledge in the wrong places. What about global heating, that’s a big and seriously problem. What would be the point in cloning our self’s if the world is dying (not that I would agree to be cloned).
Cloning has its good sides and the sides that I think is just idiotic. But in the end I still think that we should let life as it is and concentrate on the life that does exist.
There may be uses for cloning but the biggest hurdle is not scientific, but rather ethical I think. Cloning is not something that would sit well with most people.
this is very interesting topic to talk of. i enjoy the discussion on it.
| william wrote: |
| Human has already cloned a bunch of living organisms. There are a lot of problems. One problem is that when you clone, the new clone is the same age as the original organism. This means it won't live very long. Is cloning helpful? It can be and can not be. |
When you try to clone someone than it isn't possible about what you call the same age.
A clone need to be grow until the form of the original.
also when you go cloning then the fact of failure is very large because the genetic data can be shifted and the clone would die.
When you go cloning until the exponatial level the clones will be from a very bad quality.
So cloning is actually a form of mitoses. The best form is meioses, for the non science people (= the normal sex is what i mean)
cloning of individual body parts such as a heart, lung etc.. would actually solve some of the current donor issues... but going as far as cloning entire living beings... well... playing with fire there I think.
| superk wrote: |
| cloning of individual body parts such as a heart, lung etc.. would actually solve some of the current donor issues... but going as far as cloning entire living beings... well... playing with fire there I think. |
I completly agree with your statement, but i still have my doughts about this matter.
If this would work, then the entire problem of donors is gone.
I hope that you are right about it.
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I completly agree with your statement, but i still have my doughts about this matter. If this would work, then the entire problem of donors is gone. I hope that you are right about it. |
I agree with that, too. Even though this may be great, ethical issues will probably prevent this from happening for a while, if at all.
Being able to clone certain parts seems useful, but I don't like the idea of people trying to clone entire human beings. Playing with life is not something you should do, in my opinion.
One scientific development that I do beleive is within our reach technologically but there will be much argument until society relaxes. However once, especially it becomes more common knowledge and also the technology becomes availible, illegal clones will I expect be created even if a law is introduced to prevent cloning due to ethical issues.
i love cloning, i think its is very cool, and could fix alot of things, just as long as things arent messed up, and they start cloning armys, or something weird like that, i mean they could easy take over the world if they cloned 100000 million army soldiers, and they wouldnt even have to worry about sending the letters to families when they get killed, it could get out of control.. but two thumbs up for cloning..!
Cloning organs would certainly save or improve the lives of a large number of people... but would it stop there? How big a step would it be to clone another organ, and another, and another, until we have a whole. After all, i would simply be natural progression. Whatever we do, it is only human nature to want to do more next time, isn't it? Development of ideas must take place, and one step surely leads to another. The human race have always needed to go a step further than they went before - how long will they stop at cloning organs?
I think cloning of humans might be a bad idea seeing that all in future we might be doing alot more of dna testing.
I can see how cloning can be helpful to science and the testing of medicines, etc...it seems to me that the boards that control what to clone and what not to clone have fairly good written rules of ethics--of course there are many grey areas but I think that these boards are probably more aware of these issues than most of the general public. I am glad there are safety measures in place to ensure that people are thinking critically about what is cloned. There is still, however potential for scarry misuse so the discussion needs to always continue as to what is useful and beneficial and necessary.
cloning body parts isn't that easy... you need to clone a whole human being just to get these organs or body parts.
since it was proven the cloning is possible with animals, it is also highly possible that we can clone humans. however, there are some ethical issues that will be raised especially by religions. This is actually the same as the issues surrounding stem cells which uses fetal cells that can be used by medicine to treat various diseases. Since it involves fetuses which are considered living humans already, research and development of its uses are hampered greatly because of ethical issues.
every research and development done by biotechnology companies must agree with the guidelines of an international body that regulates these researches and imposes ethical issues on these fields.
since it was proven the cloning is possible with animals, it is also highly possible that we can clone humans. however, there are some ethical issues that will be raised especially by religions. This is actually the same as the issues surrounding stem cells which uses fetal cells that can be used by medicine to treat various diseases. Since it involves fetuses which are considered living humans already, research and development of its uses are hampered greatly because of ethical issues.
every research and development done by biotechnology companies must agree with the guidelines of an international body that regulates these researches and imposes ethical issues on these fields.
Cloning is a dangerous thing. There are mutated clones, there are defective clones, and there are clones that are not as strong as you would like them to be. Also, when you clone, you create concious life, using the clone for organ harvesting seems inhumane. Using a living body to harvest organs...
I think Stem Cell research is more acceptable than cloning. There you don't destroy consious life.
I think Stem Cell research is more acceptable than cloning. There you don't destroy consious life.
Ok, cloning is like the ultimate form of inbreeding! It is the same crappy DNA used again and again with no chance to exchange damaged parts with DNA from another individual. I think that cloning to make spare parts is totally ok and research for this should be expanded because as today we seem to be in dire need for spare parts!
But to make a new person with your old DNA is plain narcissistic and actually worse than making babies with your own mother!
But to make a new person with your old DNA is plain narcissistic and actually worse than making babies with your own mother!
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| don't think it's really helpful to just clone an entire human. OK, so you have someone that will look like you when he's grown up (not entirely, looks are also effected by environment), and the clone is just another person, only someone with the same DNA as you. Nothing helpful about it at all. |
obviously not a psychologist. It would be very very very interesting to clone say a criminal, subject the many clones to different upbringings etc and see if the clone turned to criminal life.
Morally bankrupt but very interesting
| Shanghai_Dragon wrote: |
| Cloning is a dangerous thing. There are mutated clones, there are defective clones, and there are clones that are not as strong as you would like them to be. Also, when you clone, you create concious life, using the clone for organ harvesting seems inhumane. Using a living body to harvest organs...
I think Stem Cell research is more acceptable than cloning. There you don't destroy consious life. |
This is a very good statement. I completly agree. The research to develop the Stem Cells, that will be the next step in evolution.
An example: A person with a heart failure can be given Stem Cells so that this cells can mutate to the cells that are destroyed through the failure.
see, look at george and da publican crew's recent veto on stem cell research. the argument? it is inhumane...blah blah..
but those stems cells proposed to be used were already marked to disposal...they would have gone down the hatch anyways. is it wrong to use something already discarded?
but those stems cells proposed to be used were already marked to disposal...they would have gone down the hatch anyways. is it wrong to use something already discarded?
Dang!! I'm behind! I thought cloning was just a thing from future movies.. I never realised. 
i totally supoprt cloning...imagine a war: no more mothers crying for his son, no more brothers death.....imagen a woman waiting for a hearth....some one clon a guy with a healthy heart and givi it to that woman......imagine that you can make Kage.Bunshin no Jutus every where Yeah baby....coming back serious...cloning is good also can help use in try to find some cure for illnes....i know some religeous dont htink the same way like me but plz they r not playing to be god(if god exist( they are helping the human kind ,plz, support cloning is good
Cloning an entire organism is obviously going to lead to some serious ethical and moral issues- for instance, what would be the status and rights of a human that had been cloned? Would they be the same as that of a non-cloned individual? And how do you explain to achile that it only has one biological parent (if you can even really look at it that way?).
due to the rapid advancement in the field of technolog scientis have been able to do some many amzing thing that were thought to be impossible or dreams in the past.
cloning is one of them. No person could have imagined to develop a new baby from just a cell. but now its a fact. bu t i dont think its a good idea. cloning may not be beneficial for anyone but few exceptions are there(in case of sterile mothjer this could be a God's gift.
but just imagine any biologist(ill minded) may clone the president of US and could cause various problems in the world.
so from my side its bad:good::60:40
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cloning is one of them. No person could have imagined to develop a new baby from just a cell. but now its a fact. bu t i dont think its a good idea. cloning may not be beneficial for anyone but few exceptions are there(in case of sterile mothjer this could be a God's gift.
but just imagine any biologist(ill minded) may clone the president of US and could cause various problems in the world.
so from my side its bad:good::60:40
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Well, it seems that a lot of people here really think cloning is a good idea. Though, I think there is a chance that we'll never get to clone human beings. I think someone said this before, ethical issues will probably come up.
Well, I still remain neutral.
Well, I still remain neutral.
I am against cloning, however I do think that someday will be used for cloning people. Unfortunately, thhe process and methodology had already been created, so eventually it will reach people. Besides, one of the reasons of creating the cloning process of for reproducing pasts of people in order to replace the lost ones. I dont argue that cloning is a great medical advance, many people could regain their lost organs and parts. However, the greed of men had always caused a lot of problem, and I do think that this invention can create a lot of problems.
We already clone humans on a small scale, not complete humans, but we do clone human skin tissue, and other human cells in the laboratory.
To clone a full human is like the film "the island", where there is potential for corrupting your clone for spare parts. it is a question of respect for life. The ethics of fatal or immoral scientific research on things regarded as dignified in life.
I'd love to see the mammoth cloned and brought back to life. Technologically we can only clone a 99% copy of a mammoth, unless we have both egg and sperm of the species. So by the method of genetic engineering we cannot have a pure mammoth embryo, the mammoth "fibroblast" cells will be shelled inside elephant cells, we will have two genotypes in the clone.
To clone a full human is like the film "the island", where there is potential for corrupting your clone for spare parts. it is a question of respect for life. The ethics of fatal or immoral scientific research on things regarded as dignified in life.
I'd love to see the mammoth cloned and brought back to life. Technologically we can only clone a 99% copy of a mammoth, unless we have both egg and sperm of the species. So by the method of genetic engineering we cannot have a pure mammoth embryo, the mammoth "fibroblast" cells will be shelled inside elephant cells, we will have two genotypes in the clone.
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