some people say that everywhere communism had established it brought all the bad things in the world for those countries,and they prove their words by countries like N.Korea , Cuba , Soviet Union.
do you think that if communism hasn't been working till now in these countries ,it's useless?
comunism is death finito. A system like that is against human nature and is mostly utopic and impossible to practice. Countries have tried really hard to make it work but is does not because is is not based in reality.
Communists have a plan.
First, they take the power in a particular country. Then, they become dictators, in order to make the necessary changes, and then they are supposed to stop being dictators, and the government should disappear.
Unfortunately, all the communist countries stayed in the dictator-phase. So you can't really tell communism is bad because of those countries.
But I think communism won't ever work in real life, the ideals are beautiful, but, as maclui wrote, it is against human nature. Humans want to excell, they want to see reward for their hard work. And in a communist system, that is impossible.
Yeah, communism is a beautiful idealism that focuses on making humans equal. No one is better than anyone else. But it doesnt work. Still, there are many guidlines in communism that we can use to make things better. Semi-communism is good. Notice that in those so called communism countries is no real communism.
| gunnarr wrote: |
| Yeah, communism is a beautiful idealism that focuses on making humans equal. No one is better than anyone else. But it doesnt work. Still, there are many guidlines in communism that we can use to make things better. Semi-communism is good. Notice that in those so called communism countries is no real communism. |
That's very true. But I prefer capitalism with a good system of social security, like here in Belgium. You have to pay a lot of taxes, but if you see what you get in return... it's awesome. 
communism failed because it puts everyone at the same level when actualy everyone is different. there are people who works more and some other who works less. it is not fair for those who work hard to have exactly the same as those who do not work. the matter of provate property is a necessity: i do have the right to own my things. i think that the best choice we got is capitalism but the system still has serious faults. i don't think is fair that some jobs worth unproportionaly more than others (thogh different values are fair). well, that's what i have to say.
I think Communism could actually work if done right. The best system was one that involved something called the "Philosopher Kings," people who are very well learned and know what is best for all the people and their country. The idea is that people wouldn't elect these kings and that none of them would rise to power among any other, you know, people intent on making a utopia. People would be handpicked by previous kings, and the cycle would continue. When Dictators are given all the power and don't provide for their contry, making the entire government corrupt, only bad things can happen. That's why communism has failed in the past.
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People are far too quick to champion democracy, in my opinion.
The thing about communism is that if it only works if everyone wants it to work - all it takes is one induvidual to abuse the system or doubt the ideal and everything goes to pot.
Therefore, I reject communism on the basis that it cannot govern a country in a peaceful way, but am accepting of the idea as an individual.
The best example of small-scale communism that I can think of is a kibbutz. I think that, for communism to truly work, people need to opt-in/opt-out rather than be forced into it, and for that you need a private island and a group of people who all adore each other.
Beautiful, but highly impractical.
As for dictatorship, I think it could be great with the right dictator, but there is no such human.
Communism actually worked (In the old days), It was about being equal. Communism still works, Its just who the communist is that the real question. North Korea, Most people run away from it because of food shortage and the harsh system. But the being equal part is the real party pooper. I'd personnally try to run away or kill myself if I lived under harsh communism.
The principle behind communism isn't quite just equality, that's a simplification. It's about doing what you're best at and letting others doing what they are best at for the good of society as a whole and then sharing the gained wealth between them.
Sadly, as people have said, this just doesn't work in practice because the vast majority of people have a tendency to be lazy and selfish and are rarely motivated by anything quite as much as personal gain.
Also, this might be better suited to the philosophy forum.
| meet in rio wrote: |
| As for dictatorship, I think it could be great with the right dictator, but there is no such human. |
The Philosopher Kings were such people. The only reason it didn't last long was because it wasn't easy to pick out the best and the brightest of society in those days. In these modern times of standardized testing and the internet, it would be much easier to establish a Philosopher Kings system. The only problem is that even though we are smarter than the generations beforehand mentioned, there is still very little hope to find a Philosopher King, let alone a council of them, who can deal with the problems in society today.In theory, Communism is the perfect system of government. Controlled prices, guaranteed jobs, and total equality. A previous poster hit it right on the nail. Communists are supposed to take over, make the changes, and then the people take control... and government disbands.
Most communist countries do not surrender the government to the people, and without that crucial turning point... communism fails. If we weren't the greedy, power-hungry people we are today... Communism might work.
Communism is more of a thought now, not an achievable form of government.
I said I would leave this thread but...
People are naturally evil. Their natural instincts is the behavior that the public would consider "evil." With no form of government, there would be complete anarchy, and that was how Darwin came up with Natural Selection. Only the strong and the smart survive, and the uneducated would destroy us all. Government is our worst enemy, yet our most essential need.
Socialism is the way forward, though comunism works theoretically but it doesn't because people are gready and selfish and basically inperfect, in a perfect world communism would be almost perfect.
| Jack_Hammer wrote: |
| Socialism is the way forward, though comunism works theoretically but it doesn't because people are gready and selfish and basically inperfect, in a perfect world communism would be almost perfect. |
That always make me wonder, How on earth can a person think he can create a perfect society?No 'real' or 'perfect' (as you call it) communism ever existed and ever will exist, as the human nature is not perfect too. Some years ago I was quite interested in anarcho-communism, but nothing works as sobering as living in a post-communism country. If you still doubt whether communism is bad or not, please come to visit maybe not Poland, as it's too civilised, but White Russia, where the ex-communist dictator still governs or Northern Korea. Of course if they let you in - my friend's sister was arrested in White Russia a few days ago, because she went them to help preparing the revolution. If someone is still going to say that communism is good, I'll send him there personally :>
Sounds too pesimistic, so here comes a piece of good news: There used to be some comunes that worked, that everyone was really equal and they really had everything common - these were the early Christians communities, before Christianity became legal. Another good piece of news is that there still exist such communities that pattern them. Maybe not in living together and sharing everything, but in living the real love. For the last time I've been hanging out a bit with them, and I'm really amazed that it is possible to live that way 
| alkady wrote: |
| Communism actually worked (In the old days) |
Erm, never heard of it. Maybe I was sleeping in lessons history. The ideals and the meaning behind it were right (and are still right), but I don't think it ever was practiced right in real life.Communism is a failure. The government takes all the money and the people die of starvation, none of the citizens can live normaily. Half of your country would die of starvation, that's why the Soviet Union's communist government colapsed and they are now democratic!
| Gieter wrote: |
| alkady wrote: | | Communism actually worked (In the old days) |
Erm, never heard of it. Maybe I was sleeping in lessons history. The ideals and the meaning behind it were right (and are still right), but I don't think it ever was practiced right in real life. |
What I was referring to is when Communist take power something had to go right? Peasants loved Communism because it was fair but then obviously started seeing the true colors of it.There can never be anarchy. If one government falls, another rises to power, it's only a matter of time. Sure the period in between may be anarchy, but anarchy cannot fully exist and last for long periods of time.
Dealing with society-matters I also read a book by Lenin. The communist idea really is a beautiful one. Not the ideology itself failed, regimes made it fail. Additionally I am quite convinced that communsim cannot exist in an isolated country, it could just work out globally.
Today the high-developed countries keep their standard by exploiting the poor. In opposite to communism, capitalism will destroy itself and our planet. In a globalising world we cannot go on like this forever. In the near future we will live to rue what we've done.
Both, communism and capitalism will fail at last.
Communism is the impure form of marxism. If marxism was the ideal in russia the country would then improve it's commercial status. I believe Stalin was a great man and he was the greatest leader to ever bless this earth.
Long live Marxism, and Stalin!
Nothing matters though as goverments will fall and anarchy will reign, a brave new world. After China attacks America WW3 will cause anarchy and then far in the futrure the whole world will be dictated until a time of peace erupts to create a golden age,
| Wyvern666 wrote: |
Communism is the impure form of marxism. If marxism was the ideal in russia the country would then improve it's commercial status. I believe Stalin was a great man and he was the greatest leader to ever bless this earth.
Long live Marxism, and Stalin! |
Do you know what you're saying? Have you learned in history about Stalin yet?
Stalin killed more people than Hitler. Stalin didn't followed Marx, he wasn't a marxist, but he had a doctrine called stalinism.
By example, Stalin was paranoid, and killed lots of his generals, because he was so paranoia. This of course was a problem in World War II.
He also invented the five-year-plans, and the politburo determined how much a certain company had to produce. This resulted in a lower quality of products. There was also famine under Stalin. In the years '30 of 19th century, he killed a lot of people. If you did something wrong, no matter how small, you were send to a goelag (a labour camp in Siberia.)
Was Staling the greatest leader to ever bless this earth? Don't think so.Communism tears the economy apart because the people allow it to happen. If the people would resist they could fight through. Or die.
Socialism is a very strong and very coherent philosophy of government. Communism is a derivative of socialism, and unfortunately has developed into a twisted version thereof which, because of its failed attempts, becomes more and more doomed to failure with every attempt.
What quite a few people do not realize is that socialism and communism are NOT the same thing, and that socialists (I should say advocates of "pure" socialism) have received a great deal of flack in the United States, having "communist" and other supposedly derogatory terms attached to them because of the Cold War.
Perhaps socialism is a little idealistic. Perhaps it's a lot idealistic. But if we didn't have idealism, where would we be? Capitalism used to be an ideal that politicians and philosophers dreamed of, but never thought possible. It was not the norm, historically. And look where we are today. It was an ideal in its time, and now it is a reality (to an extent, anyway.) I think the same would be possible with socialism...given the right time, leaders, and people.
I prefer a capitalistic system with social security, like here in Belgium. If you're sick, the government will pay back the costs of the treatment (most of it, but not for everything.) If you're unemployed, you'll get a minimum income. Pension, holidays money, accidents at work,.. the government also takes care for. The disadvantage of such a system: you have to pay more taxes. But I find it a better system than pure capitalism.
Well i dont think there is any ideal system as yet in place, every political thought has its advantages and dissadvantages. The west is the closest we have to a fair system, and even that is subject to opinion what with homelessnes and poverty still there. A micture is needed.
Communism is a political alternative to democracy.
Communist doutrines such as the one during and after the WWII, imo cannot be seen as appliable to our society nowadays...
Just like the world suffered a huge evolution (good or bad), I think that all the doutrines must also evolve and adapt their ideals to the societies we are living in.
Communism is one of those things that would work... in theory. However, political corruption and incompetence tends to ruin things like Communism. A government where everyone is equal and the government controls everything going into and out of house could possibly work. It's just people tend to not work as well if they get paid the same as they would if they worked extremely hard. Also, many political leaders in the Soviet Union actually wouldn't be treated the same as others. The leaders would get extra wealth and food, where as the citizens would be left starving. 
However, I do believe if people actually sat down and thought about a communist government, things would be different. If measures are taken to make sure that everyone is treated equally, as well as making sure it doesn't become a dictatorship, then a stable, long running communist country could very well happen. 
Now, whether or not Communism would work better than a Democracy is hard to say. | amirkpe wrote: |
some people say that everywhere communism had established it brought all the bad things in the world for those countries,and they prove their words by countries like N.Korea , Cuba , Soviet Union.
do you think that if communism hasn't been working till now in these countries ,it's useless? |
No, it is not “useless” because of that. It is “useless” because its principles dictate that it is bound to fail.
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| Gieter wrote: |
| the ideals are beautiful |
Its ideals are not beautiful. Communism means that the means of production are owned in common. Therefore, a human being does “own” the fruits of their own labor; instead, other people “own” your labor, and thus other people “own” you. This is not some metaphor. In communism, you do not have any control over yourself, and thus you are literally owned by other people. It is equivalent to being a slave.
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| gunnarr wrote: |
| Yeah, communism is a beautiful idealism that focuses on making humans equal. |
Maybe equally downtrodden, but that’s far from ideal.
“When I work, I don’t work for myself, I work for everyone else, thus I lose my self-esteem and any reason to work anymore. And the same happens to you. Therefore, we equally are caused to lose any semblance of humanity. We’re all slaves to the mob.”
Who logically wants that kind of equality?
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| rightclickscott wrote: |
| I think Communism could actually work if done right. |
It will only work in the sense of bringing everyone down. But eventually, downtrodden people will rebel, thus overthrowing the system, itself.
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| Soulfire wrote: |
| In theory, Communism is the perfect system of government. |
No, it is in theory that we know how imperfect it is. To understand this better, one must study the science of economics. ”Economics is too boring!” some people might exclaim. Okay, fine, but don’t go around thinking you understand how Communism works if you aren’t willing to understand its fundamentals. Some people agree with me.
| On Jun 21, 2006, economist and columnist Walter E. Williams wrote: |
| Karl Marx is the hero of some labor union leaders and civil rights organizations, including those who organized the recent protest against proposed immigration legislation. It's easy to be a Marxist if you haven't read his writings. Most people agree that Marx's predictions about capitalism turned out to be dead wrong. |
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“What parts of Capitalism don’t work?”, you might ask. The parts that mimic Communism. When people champion Democracy, they are advocating the bad parts of Communism; they are supporting everyone giving up their humanity by letting other people control your life. When the Mob gets to Vote on how you live your life, you are owned by them -- not figuratively, but literally. You are no longer an upstanding human being, but a slave to the Mob.
No person with self-esteem would give up their humanity willingly. So, ask yourself, Do you have self-esteem? Do you want to be a human being, or just a shell of a human being, slave? | Chris_Chaud wrote: |
| Communism is a failure. The government takes all the money and the people die of starvation, none of the citizens can live normaily. Half of your country would die of starvation, that's why the Soviet Union's communist government colapsed and they are now democratic! |
yes thats right look how well ex soviet states are doing.....1 is high on crime and rape and drugs and another cant figure out who they want to lead them and the rest all flood into europe for jobs....... yes Democracy really help itself
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oh and on the topic, communism can work, it has done so in cuba N.Korea and China.....its still a harsh system but its not because communism does it its because of the nation.....
an example
those who know the Iron Curtain answer me this - was it communism that introduced it or the Soviet Union? | Gieter wrote: |
| Wyvern666 wrote: | Communism is the impure form of marxism. If marxism was the ideal in russia the country would then improve it's commercial status. I believe Stalin was a great man and he was the greatest leader to ever bless this earth.
Long live Marxism, and Stalin! |
Do you know what you're saying? Have you learned in history about Stalin yet?
Stalin killed more people than Hitler. Stalin didn't followed Marx, he wasn't a marxist, but he had a doctrine called stalinism.
By example, Stalin was paranoid, and killed lots of his generals, because he was so paranoia. This of course was a problem in World War II.
He also invented the five-year-plans, and the politburo determined how much a certain company had to produce. This resulted in a lower quality of products. There was also famine under Stalin. In the years '30 of 19th century, he killed a lot of people. If you did something wrong, no matter how small, you were send to a goelag (a labour camp in Siberia.)
Was Staling the greatest leader to ever bless this earth? Don't think so. |
To support this post, Stalin also had the "purges" where he had an entire third of his officers corps (military) killed, all out of paranoia. In sheer numbers he did, or was responsible for more deaths than Hitler.....but since it was in his own country and his own people he was killing....the world didn't care. Any leader in this day and age that acted as he did wouldn't be alive very long.
Stalin was more than likley the worst example for communism....correct me if I am wrong here (please), but didn't also plan the murder of his mentor (Lenin)?
Since the topic was bumped, I thought would throw my 2 cents worth in.There's no such thing as communism in the world. There's dictatorships with rhetoric that focuses on socialist values.
Alas, communism never seems to work out so well.
First of all, I'd just like to say something about the criticism of the five-year plans by Stalin. Did they result in inferior goods? I agree with you, they did. You didn't mention that Russia desperately needed to industrialize, faced with the growing Western industrial threat. The five-year plans, while they had their disadvantages, were necessary for Russia to modernize, and survive (by which I mean retain power, and not be conquered).
Back to the communism debate. I disagree with the opinions which claim the idealogy to be 'perfect,' and only ruined by corrupt leaders and poor regimes. While communism does have its good points, such as the emphasis on the protection of the entire community, and with everyone working to their strengths, it lacks a strong worker initiative. Look at serfdom- a major problem was the lack of innovation. If we look at history, therefore, it's visible that when people do not directly get a reward, they cease to do something. Communism was like serfdom in that respect, in that motivation in the workers was strained later on. I know that the USSR did make huge advances in sciences, at the very least on par with the US at the time, but cultural attitudes and worker mindsets grew resentful in later years.
Communism is the perfect system. It takes from everybody only what they can produce, and gives to everybody what they need. Everybody is equal in power and gains.
But, the problem isn't the system. It's the people using the system. Individuals may be intelligent, but humans as a whole are selfish, lazy and unwise. Individuals will exploit the system for their own gain, but because of the sheer number of people doing so everybody will end up with less gain, even the wise who do the right thing. This is the reason communism can not work. Not the concept of communism itself, but the people who would use it.
| WIK123 wrote: |
| Communism is a political alternative to democracy. |
Democracy is a form of government. Communism is a form of economy. Both can coexist with eachother as demonstrated by Stalin's puppet governments. However, because they were puppet governments, they weren't really democracies.
Anarcho-Communism itself is a good system, but it's too idealistic. People are too twisted to be able to handle it - people will not work because the expect a reward in return for their work, and so the system can never work because people will never work due to the apparent lack of reward. Capitalism has its flaws, but I don't see any other economic system that works so well with human nature.Only communism or only capitalism causes losing of democracy,
There must be mixed system. And this system must also fall into step with alteration. Only communism refuses something which are important but it is related to capitalism, or only capitalism refuses something which are important but it is based on communism. Because of stable system, important steps couldnt be realized.
The idea of communism is good, that everyone should be equal. But the problem is that this is impossible. It doesn't work. It's not realistic, just dreams. You need to keep it at a realistic level.
It doesn't work with the ideas they have. In Sweden we have a pretty popular party named "Vänsterpartiet" (the left party). They are communists (but not extreme communists) They want to not have grades or homework or anything like that. But would that really work? What would you learn? Cause at least I make my homework just for the grade's sake.
Folkpartiet FTW!
Communism couldn't work, at least not nicely for many people.
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The natural instinct of many is to work or find other ways to get above other people, get recognition, or become unique in some way.
In capitalism, someone could work harder at their job, get a promotion, get more money, and use the money to make a name for their self or on other things. Or they could build a new industry or business; they could build a restaurant or sell software, and get more money from that.
But in communism, if everyone is given the same despite what they put in, what's the point of working to get a promotion? You get more work, but you don't get more money, and you don't get elevated in society.
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Competition - if the government owns and controls everything and every business, then there's no industry competition except possibly to other countries, but in many cases they try to shut that out.
Imagine how the computer industry would be today without competition between Microsoft, Apple, and everyone else? We'd be lucky if we had mice and graphic interfaces.
I'm from Korea. As you know, Korea has been divided two countries since World War 2. And there was a war between south and north korea in 1950. it had been for 3 years. and number of millions people died. And now over 10 million pople in south korea are missing theri family in north korea.
It's very very difficult to contact with each others. Actually it's almost impossible. Many of them just want to know wether their family in north korea are still alive or not. they just want to send and get a mail...
But those are still impossible.
As you know North Korea is in communism. I think North Korea is the most closed country in the world. it's very difficult to go there and contact someon there.
And many of south koreans have experience of the war and learning the war from their parents and teachers. So many of old people don't like communism. Exactly they hate it.
| alienjones wrote: |
Dealing with society-matters I also read a book by Lenin. The communist idea really is a beautiful one. Not the ideology itself failed, regimes made it fail. Additionally I am quite convinced that communsim cannot exist in an isolated country, it could just work out globally.
Today the high-developed countries keep their standard by exploiting the poor. In opposite to communism, capitalism will destroy itself and our planet. In a globalising world we cannot go on like this forever. In the near future we will live to rue what we've done.
Both, communism and capitalism will fail at last. |
I think this guy comes close to capturing how I feel on this subject. I think communism is closer to a system whereby we are social animnals interacting with eachother but where the resources belong to everybody not just some. And this is the real problem because its not that people are unequal its more like the rich people know that their wealth gives them advantages, and without their material objects they would not be so priveledged or powerfull instead being reduced to the level of ordinary humamn beings with only their natural resources which are probably atrphied from relying on the power of money.
To take Russia as an example is unfair because of how threatened the welathy USA government felt and how aggresively they worked to overthrow EVERY country who have tried to have a communist government. Read Chomsky for an insight into how totally the USa have opposed even democrativcally elected Communist leaders worldwide.
As for it not working it is only thanks to the communist inclined leaders in places like Argentina that the oppresive world bank loan repayments have been shaken and a new economy has been made possible. And what exactly made Ghandi's revolution work if not the "communal" ethos behind communism?>?In Romania there was communism since 1944-1947 till 1989. Romania was a good country till the communist pary came. Communists and their allied parties claimed 90% of the vote, through a combination of vote manipulation, elimination and forced mergers of competing parties, establishing themselves as the dominant force.
Romania in the communist time was prosperous. There were many good things: the tourism was very developed, the athletes were very good, the economy was going well also. But people were not allowed to go to church often, they were not allowed to go in other countries. All who tried to escape Romania were shot.
The communism destroyed Romania and now Romania is a bad country because of corruption.
| Soulfire wrote: |
In theory, Communism is the perfect system of government. Controlled prices, guaranteed jobs, and total equality. A previous poster hit it right on the nail. Communists are supposed to take over, make the changes, and then the people take control... and government disbands.
Most communist countries do not surrender the government to the people, and without that crucial turning point... communism fails. If we weren't the greedy, power-hungry people we are today... Communism might work.
Communism is more of a thought now, not an achievable form of government. |
Hmm..it should be all communist countries did not surrender their government to the people. I ever doubt the difference of marxism and communism.Several people have hit upon it in several different ways communism is an ideology. Communism, as Karl Marx wrote it in the Communist Manifesto is the perfect form of government. The Communism that we know today is based off Lenin’s modification of Marx’s original document. There are no true Communist governments in the real world today. China, North Korea, “White Russia” are really Totalitarian regimes. The Totalitarian and Communistic governments are often confused because they both seek a “classless” society. The difference is once the classless society is established in “true” communism; the government is actually run by the people and their elected councils. In a totalitarian government the state involves itself in all facets of society, including the daily life of its citizens. A totalitarian government seeks to control not only all economic and political matters but the attitudes, values, and beliefs of its population, erasing the distinction between state and society. As stated several times before this post communism in it original form is the “perfect” form of government. But since none of us live in a “perfect” world the ideology of communism is just that an idea. My two cents
communism is hard topic to discuss. i mean, i agree with the person who said tha tcommunism is just a different form of government and that the government should ask what the people wan and then choose which type of governmetn to run. in the US, people are fine with democracy, so let them be. In Europe, people are fine with the Republic, so let them be. In Russia, people like communism. and thus, let them be as well. when you try to force change a type of government and cause a revolution, it wont work. Example: after WWI, germany set up a democratic gov: teh Weimar. it SUKED. lol i mean it fell appart in a few months. so...moral is: communism, democracy...all sorts of government types...just let them be waht the people watn them to be (still democracy )
-XX communism is the best way for a country i think, if it can work perfectly that everyone is not selfish, can give out all s/he has and share with the others..
but everyone is selfish, so it's not workable. S.U. was already a history, it proves that communism is not workable. What i mean is, the idea is perfect, but not practical. Even our country China, it's a communist country. But after the opening policy, capitalism is immersed in it.... that's why China can grow up now....
communism is the best thing that could happen to a country. Sure, it sounds bad for us, and that is only because we know what communism compared to our society is like. If you were born into a communist country, you wouldn't know what any other place would be like because they block the outside world from you.
Most of the discussion seems to be talking about different things labled 'communism' - the old Soviet model, Marx's writings, modifed capitalism, etc. But until you define what you are talking about you are wasting your time.
One thought I would like to add though is the idea of 'socialisation'. By this I mean that any different system of society only evolves slowly or people cannot accept it. We accept capitalism now as the buying and selling of everything and anything for money. But think about people even 100 years ago, let alone 500 or 1,000. If you tried to put them into such a system what would happen? Again not so long ago people believed the owning of other human beings to be 'natural'.
The point is that if communism means people sharing and believing that no one should have too much compared to others - to take a very basic definition. Then this is something that human beings would need to gradually become 'socialised' into accepting. Modern people socialised with capitalist thinking will simply respond - 'But I want more!!'
Perhaps we need to grow up before communism is possible.
Well.. a classless society, seems like an utopia to me..not just me..to everybody I would say. What's that doesn't work is the dictatorship as the first step to communism, and it is also the first step that fails the whole communism ideology. Why the hell should be any differentation of nations? Communism, capitalism, republic, democracy or whatsoever. There should be this one thing that should make the whole mankind unite as one.. I guess.. an outer gigantic, massive threat I guess...
Hmm..only threats like armageddon, comets falling towards Earth or something like the end of the world that will make mankind unite, automatically shaping society into a classless one. It makes everyone has only one mission, one objective; to help humanity survive.. without taking care of the skin color or what language they speak..I know this idea would be crazy but..a worldwide virus pandemic would make this work I guess...
Hehe,kinda out of topic..it's just all about creating a classless society
The only reason communism doesn't work is because of human error, stupidity, or greed. It can work, for example like in a commune, a convent, and other places where a group of religious followers like monks live together and support each other.
PS Cuba isn't communist...it's a dictatorship.
PPS Most North Americans and Europeans hate communism because it was given a bad name through propaganda. There's nothing really wrong with the system itself, only the people that used it.
Hey everyone it’s an old topic but I want to add something to it.
A lot of people have been posting a lot of negative faux facts about communism that needs to be cleared up.
Firstly lets be clear communism like any other government is prone to errors of its leaders, if the soviet union committed dictatorship acts it does not mean that communism wants the mass murder of Ukrainians its simply the leaders fault, look at America right as an example.
Lets start by clearing some of F-facts in this topic.
| LinktheMaster wrote: |
Communism is one of those things that would work... in theory. However, political corruption and incompetence tends to ruin things like Communism. A government where everyone is equal and the government controls everything going into and out of house could possibly work. It's just people tend to not work as well if they get paid the same as they would if they worked extremely hard. Also, many political leaders in the Soviet Union actually wouldn't be treated the same as others. The leaders would get extra wealth and food, where as the citizens would be left starving.
However, I do believe if people actually sat down and thought about a communist government, things would be different. If measures are taken to make sure that everyone is treated equally, as well as making sure it doesn't become a dictatorship, then a stable, long running communist country could very well happen.
Now, whether or not Communism would work better than a Democracy is hard to say. |
That is false communism never dictated that everyone is going to be equal but everyone will have an equal opportunity.
i.e whether you are poor or rich you can still be a neurosurgeon.
"In communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic.” Karl marx
that may sound bad since it’s the government controlling the resources but if the government does it right doesn’t it sound great to have the ability to do and work anywhere you want???
| Drawingguy wrote: |
Back to the communism debate. I disagree with the opinions which claim the idealogy to be 'perfect,' and only ruined by corrupt leaders and poor regimes. While communism does have its good points, such as the emphasis on the protection of the entire community, and with everyone working to their strengths, it lacks a strong worker initiative. Look at serfdom- a major problem was the lack of innovation. If we look at history, therefore, it's visible that when people do not directly get a reward, they cease to do something. Communism was like serfdom in that respect, in that motivation in the workers was strained later on. I know that the USSR did make huge advances in sciences, at the very least on par with the US at the time, but cultural attitudes and worker mindsets grew resentful in later years. |
I don’t see how they don’t have any rewards, its not like they wont say “well done and thank you” its not like they wont give them an amazing job position, its not like they wont have fame.
Remember equal opportunity not equal pay.
| Agent ME wrote: |
Communism couldn't work, at least not nicely for many people.
1.
The natural instinct of many is to work or find other ways to get above other people, get recognition, or become unique in some way.
In capitalism, someone could work harder at their job, get a promotion, get more money, and use the money to make a name for their self or on other things. Or they could build a new industry or business; they could build a restaurant or sell software, and get more money from that.
But in communism, if everyone is given the same despite what they put in, what's the point of working to get a promotion? You get more work, but you don't get more money, and you don't get elevated in society.
2.
Competition - if the government owns and controls everything and every business, then there's no industry competition except possibly to other countries, but in many cases they try to shut that out.
Imagine how the computer industry would be today without competition between Microsoft, Apple, and everyone else? We'd be lucky if we had mice and graphic interfaces. |
1- like I said equal opportunity not equal pay, obviously if I have a better store I will prosper more, it’s a way of life but in capitalism only a few will ever be rich, only a few can go to Harvard or oxford only a few will ever drive a buggati veyron in communism you are giver an equal opportunity to be rich just like any other person.
2- So basically you enjoy the fact that every year a new pc game comes out with better amazing graphics and better operating system with all the amazing graphics but at the same time making your old pc obsolete and worthless? Yes I can see your point but competition only works so far, look at Microsoft, can you really say it has any competition whatsoever having most of the computer industry under its control. Ps communism is like Linux its free and made by the people for the people and look at Linux is it really that bad? Plus its made by people who don’t even get paid, heck bill gates said Linux is the future.
Do people think that communist did not see how a leader has more money or that a someone may drive a better car, its not like they don’t understand the concept of hypocrisy the thing is in communism if you did not have a better car it was not someone else’s fault but you own so you cant complain “oh he is richer then me, oh he has more contacts” etc.
That’s its for now I think there is communism in other countries than the official communism ones.
Where I live, in Québec, it's near communism, we're extreme socialists.
The difference between us and the communism countries is that in those countries, people receive 50$ per day for their salary, when they should be earning 100$. The remaning half remains within the government, who decides what to do with it.
Here, we receive 100$ a day.... but we have to give back 50$ at the end of the year because of the imposition.
So, all in all... what's the difference ?
I fully support the theory of Communism. I wish the world could effectively use the great ideals of Communism without the corruption that seems to follow it. Of course, corruption is in all types of government, especially capitalism. I could settle for Socialism. At least that is proven to work and the community has a say so in what is being dealt to them.
One funny thing... Some might say that a tenant of communism is that "all people are equal." However, this statements is not true and would cause problems if one considers it as being true. (Of course, I am probably misrepresenting communism here)
comunism is alive and kickin in the US...
three letters: D M V
they make you stand in a line that stretches longer
than Disney's line to ride splash mountain - they treat you like you
aren't worth the time they spend to wipe their butts - then they charge
you about as much as a parking ticket to get some piece of paper work/
and or/ a flimsy plastic card with yer picture on it -- which my state has
made suppperrr flimsy so it bends and breaks easily, ensuiring you will
return soon for a new one even when it won't expire for another year or
two ---- PPSSHHH! oh, wait - did I say the DMV is comunist? i meant to
say that the D.M.V is ran by NAZIS! 
