Praise the Lord...whoever they may be...

srdjan

Dear frihosters,
I have heard something very interesting, being studied at the Anthropological University in my city, and I'd like to share it with you.

The fact is, that Mars, as the only planet in Solar system capable of holding some life (besides Earth, duuuh), is the target of NASA's (and/or other space programs'..maybe Russian I'm not sure..) constant research, as we can see by the latest 350 million dollar space program.
For those who don't know, the plan is to scan the surface of Mars from a very low altitude, and get accurate info on this planet.

Now, back to the studies of the university of anthropology. At one of the lectures it was said that scientists are actually trying to give the life on Mars "a little push", in order for it to develop...
Let's be clear right here: I do not want to go into details of what "a little push" is..I'm not a biologist, nor am I good at biology any more..What I'm talking about is an action with a specific purpose.
You see what I'm getting at now, don't you? Are we trying to create an evolutionary process there, similar to the one that life on Earth had undergone billions of years ago? (according to Darwin at least)
Are we trying to create a habitat for some future (maybe even our own) race, some day? I'm talking about distant future, none of us will ever live to see that I guess...

Finally I'd like you to think about that, and write your opinion. Think about possibilities, that once upon a time there was a dying planet, just like our Earth, with a race, similar to our own (in sense of awareness of existence), that once upon a time found a planet with a potential to grow life....and gave it a little push...

So then, WHO is our Creator? How did we develop into what we are today?
Has someone or something had given us a "little push" when we needed it?
Do you think this is at all possibile, or do you completely reject existence of another form of life in the Universe? (hopefully not, but from my expirience with different people, nothing will surprise me)
Maybe you've got your own explanation? Let's hear it!

Cheerz, lookin forward to hear from you!
S.

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First off I'd like to applaud you for using the pronoun "they" correctly in your title, that is of course if by "they" you mean the thousands of people who are humoring the idea of becoming the "God" to the life of Mars. So many times in today's language we see "they" replacing "he or she" which would work if he or she was many he-or-she's anyway getting back to the topic.

Science cannot answer all of life's questions and religion is often times contradictory and those who try to combine the two... well they are just arrogant. So really its all irrelevant. However, I would like to answer your question by asking you a question of my own (that is the philosophy of philosophy right?) If everything we sense, everything we accept as reality, has to be processed through our brains, our minds, in order to perceive it, then how do we know that we even exist? If we cannot prove that we even exist then we cannot prove that we can play "God."

Vrythramax

I'm not exactly sure what you mean here...are scientists trying to create life on mars...are they claiming there is life already there that they are trying to give a "push" to, or was there once life there that they are trying to rejuvinate? A better understanding on my part of any of those questions would enable me to answer your (very good) question with a bit more clarity.

If you could post a link to any articles that would be extremely helpful as well Smile

srdjan

I really wish I could get a hold of that article, unfortunately right now I can not..Hopefully in a few days, you know, this is such an interesting question to me, and I'll do my best to find it (this is not my study, but my girlfriend's...)

For now, I can say just by making a search as simple as 'Mars' at NASA site, those guys are as interested in the planet's life as they should be...They talk about the water, they know it used to be there (there are paths it had left behind), they talk about how Mars may have already undergone the ice age...Small, bacteria-like forms may have developed in the water that used to be there, but they say nothing more than that.
And finally they do not hide the fact that Mars may be the planet for us inhabitate..some day, in the far future. IF there were life forms found to be "living" there persistantly, then that would change out perspective on the life in Universe forever - as said by the NASA.

What I'm writing here is just bits of info from NASA's site, check it out yourself: http://search.nasa.gov/nasasearch/search/search.jsp?nasaInclude=Mars&start=1&
There are 200 articles, and I've looked at 5! Smile

Here is the one about ice age on Mars:
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/mars_ice_age.html

Anyhow, I don't think the details are very important in this matter. Is this something unpercievable? Think about it, I think it is very percievable that we will have life on Mars one day.
A simple comparisson: Could anyone predict, back in the day, when the first room-size computer(with the punch cards and everything:) appeared, what the future would hold for us? I think not, and look at us now... Cool

I think our ultimate test, lies ahead...you know what i'm talking about Confused

So what I want to bring forward is the fact that there are many out there, who literally belive what's written in Bible (there's even a thread going around FriHost on the topic), without thinking for one second about what we've got going around us for a long period of time already...Another example: The church used to hang and burn people for being ahead of their time, in the mid century..Think about what happened with the early astronomists, who claimed that the Earth is actually round, and NOT flat (peeps like Nicolas Kopernikus for instance..)
Something to think about ain't it?

cheerz!

Vrythramax

I am of the mind that for us to think we (humans) are the only intelligent life is just arrogence on our part. Outer space goes on for infinity, which is something we cannot comprehend in any sense. With all the billions of stars, planets, solar systems and universes out there I believe there must be some kind of life out there. We may not even be able to recognize it as life with our current state of science or be able to tell if it is intelligent or not...I mean, how would be able to communicate with it? We have enough trouble just communicating between the races we have on our own planet!

Who knows, what we consider a rock on this planet may be the ruling class on another. Plants may be the intelligent life. If you stop to really think about it, we may seem like plant life to a being from another planet. At the risk of getting flamed here, aliens may seem like Gods to our feeble little brains. I find the entire subject quite fascinating and the more I think on the subject, the more (unanswerable) questions come to mind.

Great topic, Cool questions! Cool

srdjan

Hahaha, yes Max! That's it! Did you know that in ancient Sumerian writings (I don't know the exact name in english..but you know, the script that consists of 'spikes' kind of...) there are inscriptions of godlike creatures from outer space. That was amazing to me, I've read it in some anthropology book about ancient civilizations of Egypt and that region of Afrika...Later on, I've looked up the names like Announaki, Ninti and Ishkur in the net, and I found some crazy things Smile

check this out, the site looks ridiculous, and the pictures are modern crap, but the stories are taken from actual archeological findings.

http://www.strayreality.com/Lanis_Strayreality/creationman2.htm

Yesterday I saw the show 'Explorations' on TV. Guess what the topic was! Scientists are truly hoping and working their best to make Mars our future habitat!

tc
S.

Vrythramax

@srdjan...

Some very...ummm...errr....interesting graphics on that site Smile

my thought on colonizing Mars are simple enough...I think it's absurd to spend the kind of money needed to even research such a project when we have enough trouble right here at home. I think the money would be much wisely spent trying to find ways to feed our hungry, give the homeless a home, or trying to find alternatives to fossil fuels. I have heard it said that the earth will not be able to sustain life in the [distant] future, but seeking another place to colonize is kind of like looking for a new apartment because someone told you the building might get hit by lightning and burn down in the future. I have also heard that our Sun is going to burn out and the entire galaxy will be destroyed...so which doomcryer are we to listen to?

What is the sense in spending all that money? We [the muman race] are only going to exploit the new place we find, Mars or where ever, to the point we have to find another place to live.

I think we should really focus on fixing the world we live in/on instead of looking for somewhere else so that we can screw up all over again. If the galaxy does blowup someday at least we will have tried to fix things instead of moving closer to the blast zone.

Any thoughts?

srdjan

True what you're saying here!

1. Sun, as any other star, will explode, BUT not nearly as soon as we completely devour our poor planet. Exactly, give or take a few 10s of thousands of years, Sun is expected to 'blow' in 2 milion years!

2. You remember what the Agent says in 'Matrix'? Human race is like a virus, we inhabit and totally destroy our host, and then move on to another... Laughing

I guess this is in our nature (I have not reached this conclusion by watching Matrix btw haha!)

I think it isn't in some people's interest to feed the hungry and heal this tortured planet...there is no profit in that (material profit of course) there is however profit in making space research, it's all about circulation of money, like a big frekin' market..everyone watches their own interest, yet another trair of the human race!

Anyway, I strongly belive that there is life out there, there are milions of bilions of stars that we can nowadays see with our telescopes, much like our Sun, and they all have planets revolving around them, so they make solar systems! Give it a chance of 0.0000001% of life existence per system, and you'll get at least 1 (actually hundreds) with some form of life existing in the rest of the Universe. Now that is really cool!
You probably heard that we have recorded messages on probes, and sent them out of Solar system, into the Milky way, and farther out to other galaxies. It may take a lot of time, but if those survive, they will surely reach some other inteligent form of life out there...Unfortunately, considering distances they have to travel, our Solar system may be long gone, and we may have only left a small trace of what we used to be.
I think this is totally unimaginable! Light years, bilions of miles/kilometers, and equally as much back to us...I literally feel my mind streching when I think about it!
And now if you'll excuse me, I have a headache..My scull is too small for all this Laughing

The truth is, I could go on forever, but I'll save some for later..do some more research!
tc

Vrythramax

I will certainly read up on the subject more than I have. I would like to pose a question for you, or anyone else reading this...your estimation of the probabilty of 0.0000001% of the celestial bodies out there containing life (as we know it) would be in the hundreds, I don't think is entirely accurate. Since space goes on for infinity, wouldn't the chances of life existing eslewhere also be infinite?

Just another thought to make your headache more...joking of course, I hope you do not have a headache for real. Smile