What is your opinion about Islam. is it good or bad or sometimes bad? 
Islam
I would respond truthfully, but that might be considered flaming.
Why? I'm not a muslim
There are, I believe, a good few of them here though.
That, and if I say too much more, I might have to worry about setting off riots around the world...
For them peacefull protest = turn on the safty of your AK-47 before you start waving it around.
That, and if I say too much more, I might have to worry about setting off riots around the world...
For them peacefull protest = turn on the safty of your AK-47 before you start waving it around.
I think Muslims are not terrorists. Why do you think Muslims are terrorists?
I don't. I just notice that they have a predisposistion torwards violence of all kinds.
In fact, I never mentioned terrorisim in my posts.
Rioting yes, but not terrorisim.
Look at it this way: most muslims are not terrorists, but most terrorists are muslims.
In fact, I never mentioned terrorisim in my posts.
Rioting yes, but not terrorisim.
Look at it this way: most muslims are not terrorists, but most terrorists are muslims.
Why do you think this way??? maybe USA do the terrors.
Where are you from?
What is your religion?
Where are you from?
What is your religion?
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One who utilizes the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political objectives, while disguised as a civilian non-combatant. The use of a civilian disguise while on operations exempts the perpetrator from protection under the Geneva Conventions, and consequently if captured they are liable for prosecution as common criminals. www.aeroflight.co.uk/definitions.htm Use should be restricted specifically to references to people and nongovernmental organizations planning and executing acts of violence against civilian or noncombatant targets. www.careerjournaleurope.com/columnists/styleandsubstance/glossary.html a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn Terrorism is a controversial and subjective term with multiple definitions. One definition means a violent action targetting civilians exclusively. Another definition is the use or threatened use of violence for the purpose of creating fear in order to achieve a political, economic, religious, or ideological goal. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist |
Last time I checked, there wasn't too much ot hat going on in the USA.
There is, of course some eco-terrorisim, random terrorisim (such as Oklahoma city bombing), and political terrorisim (such as the occasional freedom fighter in Russia). However, this does not make up the bulk of the terrorist attacks worldwide.
I am a christian, and if you read the text under my avatar, or my profile, you would already know I live in central Florida, USA.
Islam is a good religion.
Their radicals are just more extreme than other radicals.
That is all.
Their radicals are just more extreme than other radicals.
That is all.
Hi,
I dont fully agree with Jayfarer, that Islamic radicals are more or less radicals than radicals in any other religions or movements. To be frank I find the following to be more radical that the Islamic radicals
- The imperialist campaign for oil by US now
- The imperialist campaign by Britian/England for the last 400 years, same goes for other european countries also.
- The Nazi Movement in Germany
True the above are not religious events, but radicalism is a ideology - maybe it be religion, philosohy, or politics. I just feel that a radical is a radical, and there is no point scale to measure it and we should not try to do that also. It is up for the moderates to influence the masses. As religions are affected by interpretation (http://www.frihost.com/forums/vt-29565.html - on hinduism and interpretation in religion), it is important to see who influences the masses and why!!
--Prantik
| Jayfarer wrote: |
| Their radicals are just more extreme than other radicals. |
I dont fully agree with Jayfarer, that Islamic radicals are more or less radicals than radicals in any other religions or movements. To be frank I find the following to be more radical that the Islamic radicals
- The imperialist campaign for oil by US now
- The imperialist campaign by Britian/England for the last 400 years, same goes for other european countries also.
- The Nazi Movement in Germany
True the above are not religious events, but radicalism is a ideology - maybe it be religion, philosohy, or politics. I just feel that a radical is a radical, and there is no point scale to measure it and we should not try to do that also. It is up for the moderates to influence the masses. As religions are affected by interpretation (http://www.frihost.com/forums/vt-29565.html - on hinduism and interpretation in religion), it is important to see who influences the masses and why!!
--Prantik
Who knows the profit of Islam realy???
Do you accept he was realy the last profit???
Do you accept he was realy the last profit???
My opinions and views of Islam are not well. What justification do the radical (notice I use the word RADICAL, and do NOT refer to all Muslims) Muslims have for flying airplanes into buildings, killing people, sinking ships, suicide bombing, raping people, torturing people, abducting people, and the list goes on?
In my opinion, they can't justify themselves. Most Muslims aren't terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslim... That is a GREAT and TRUE statement.
In my opinion, they can't justify themselves. Most Muslims aren't terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslim... That is a GREAT and TRUE statement.
Non westerners who worship Islam are usually too radical for me, even if they aren't terrorists. I believe they oppress women, and not tolerant. I posted a non bias article on a recent terror attack that just happened in the US, that the media covered for one day and then they got shut up, and that article got deleted from this site. Stick to insulting Christians and you won't get in trouble for flaming.
So basically, I have no problem with Muslims, but Islam isn't my thing. Every time I see a woman walking around in a head scarf, I get mad that she'd let her house band oppress her. I just know the followers of Muhammad have an undeniable tendency to cause violence.
So basically, I have no problem with Muslims, but Islam isn't my thing. Every time I see a woman walking around in a head scarf, I get mad that she'd let her house band oppress her. I just know the followers of Muhammad have an undeniable tendency to cause violence.
The Islam in fact could become a problem. It's about time the fundi's stop interpreting an ancient text just the way it was interpreted back then. Not all Muslims are terrorists, of course not. The problem is that the conservative Ayatollahs have a huge influence on the population of Islam-countries. Those countries do not have a "standard" western society model in which religious power is completely separated from "public" power. Another issue is the fact that the Islam is a religion based upon "expansion". Check history. Islamic expansion itself isn't that horrifying, it's the way they want to make us accept their dogmas: often violence, such as terroristic attacks, is used.
(Sorry for my English, I'm Belgian.)
(Sorry for my English, I'm Belgian.)
Its interesting how people focus on different issues depending upon their background. Americans often talk about bringing demoncracy to Islamic nations. Democracy put Hamas in power, radicals in both Iran and Turkey. At least Turkish law resticts their ability to impose religious restrictions.
Europeans focus on western society. Everyone seems to forget that the Middle East and Asia are not backward european countries, they are a different part of the world with completely different influences, cultures and values. Democracy will probably not work in Islamic states because the people will almost always vote for radicals. Western Society can not be adopted because it would offend their sense of self, their sense of culture, and the deep hated of the west.
The discussion is Islam, though so I suggest rather than focusing on our perspectives, wouldn't it be better to try to understand their perspectives.
Europeans focus on western society. Everyone seems to forget that the Middle East and Asia are not backward european countries, they are a different part of the world with completely different influences, cultures and values. Democracy will probably not work in Islamic states because the people will almost always vote for radicals. Western Society can not be adopted because it would offend their sense of self, their sense of culture, and the deep hated of the west.
The discussion is Islam, though so I suggest rather than focusing on our perspectives, wouldn't it be better to try to understand their perspectives.
It's hard to decide whether a religion is 'bad' or 'good'. Religion is something personal, and you have to decide for yourself if it's the right religion for you or not.
I know that many people have the association of 'Islam' and 'terrorism'. Although this isn't true: not every muslim is a terrorist, in contrary. We only hear about the fundamentalistic muslims.
I know some parts from the Koran, and indeed there are some explicit passages in it. Many people don't have enough education to know you have to interpret the Koran (just like the Bible), and the fundamentalistic Islam-movement reads the Koran literally.
I know that many people have the association of 'Islam' and 'terrorism'. Although this isn't true: not every muslim is a terrorist, in contrary. We only hear about the fundamentalistic muslims.
I know some parts from the Koran, and indeed there are some explicit passages in it. Many people don't have enough education to know you have to interpret the Koran (just like the Bible), and the fundamentalistic Islam-movement reads the Koran literally.
Hello All
interested post
I am a Muslim and i think All people have rights to take any Religion he think is right and wrong
Islam not terror Religion
We don't fight anyone is not muslim!
No no no my friends
We don't have any problems to take anyone to be Our friend whatever his Religion
Please correct your mind about islam
Thanks
your, Mohammad.
interested post
I am a Muslim and i think All people have rights to take any Religion he think is right and wrong
Islam not terror Religion
We don't fight anyone is not muslim!
No no no my friends
We don't have any problems to take anyone to be Our friend whatever his Religion
Please correct your mind about islam
Thanks
your, Mohammad.
| q8found wrote: |
| Hello All
interested post I am a Muslim and i think All people have rights to take any Religion he think is right and wrong Islam not terror Religion We don't fight anyone is not muslim! No no no my friends We don't have any problems to take anyone to be Our friend whatever his Religion Please correct your mind about islam Thanks your, Mohammad. |
I understand and appreciate people of Muslim faith such as you who do not participate in terrorism. I also, would take anyone as a friend (I am Christian).
One of my main problems, however, with the religion itself is the oppression of women. Even many non radicals require their wifes to wear burkas (sp?). It's really mean.
On another note (still not saying Muslims are bad),
The real Qur'an (non American version) is pretty harsh.
The Qur'an says: "Fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush" (Surah 9:5)
"Those who follow Muhammad are merciless for the unbelievers but kind to each other." (Qur'an 48:29)
Muhammad’s 2 concubines/slaves:
1. Mary (the Christian)
2. Rayhana
Muhammad’s 4 devoted followers who who "gave" themselves to satisfy Muhammad's sexual desires.
1. Omm Sharik
2. Maymuna
3. Zaynab (a third one)
4. Khawla
Also The earliest complete manuscript of Koran is is around 800AD. There are no ancient copies of the Koran dating before 750 AD in museums.
Contrary to popular myths....
Muhammad could read and write. Many claim he was illeterate.
The word Islam means 'submit,' not peace.
Muhammad violated the Qur’an by marrying more than 4 wives. Muhammad had more than 4 wives. Perhaps as many as 22. His youngest wife was 6 years old. This means he sinned. He was also made to repent.
Muhammad looted and pilfered the property of others for his own personal benefit without divine direction. (see Ali Dashti, 23 Years, p. 86-87; Encyclopedia Britannica, 15:648)
I just think the people who worship Allah on the OTHER SIDE of the globe cannot be made peaceful very easily.
The real Qur'an (non American version) is pretty harsh.
The Qur'an says: "Fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush" (Surah 9:5)
"Those who follow Muhammad are merciless for the unbelievers but kind to each other." (Qur'an 48:29)
Muhammad’s 2 concubines/slaves:
1. Mary (the Christian)
2. Rayhana
Muhammad’s 4 devoted followers who who "gave" themselves to satisfy Muhammad's sexual desires.
1. Omm Sharik
2. Maymuna
3. Zaynab (a third one)
4. Khawla
Also The earliest complete manuscript of Koran is is around 800AD. There are no ancient copies of the Koran dating before 750 AD in museums.
Contrary to popular myths....
Muhammad could read and write. Many claim he was illeterate.
The word Islam means 'submit,' not peace.
Muhammad violated the Qur’an by marrying more than 4 wives. Muhammad had more than 4 wives. Perhaps as many as 22. His youngest wife was 6 years old. This means he sinned. He was also made to repent.
Muhammad looted and pilfered the property of others for his own personal benefit without divine direction. (see Ali Dashti, 23 Years, p. 86-87; Encyclopedia Britannica, 15:648)
I just think the people who worship Allah on the OTHER SIDE of the globe cannot be made peaceful very easily.
I will quickly admit, I know little to nothing about Islam, but I will go out on a branch and post something regardless.
I'm guessing the problem with Islam is the same problem that plagues every other religion, its made up of real people. By real people I mean people with emtions, and thoughts, and understandings, and can choose to make decisions as they see fit.
I'm guessing the problem with Islam is the same problem that plagues every other religion, its made up of real people. By real people I mean people with emtions, and thoughts, and understandings, and can choose to make decisions as they see fit.
| CompactHaven wrote: |
| On another note (still not saying Muslims are bad),
The real Qur'an (non American version) is pretty harsh. The Qur'an says: "Fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush" (Surah 9:5) "Those who follow Muhammad are merciless for the unbelievers but kind to each other." (Qur'an 48:29) Muhammad’s 2 concubines/slaves: 1. Mary (the Christian) 2. Rayhana Muhammad’s 4 devoted followers who who "gave" themselves to satisfy Muhammad's sexual desires. 1. Omm Sharik 2. Maymuna 3. Zaynab (a third one) 4. Khawla Also The earliest complete manuscript of Koran is is around 800AD. There are no ancient copies of the Koran dating before 750 AD in museums. Contrary to popular myths.... Muhammad could read and write. Many claim he was illeterate. The word Islam means 'submit,' not peace. Muhammad violated the Qur’an by marrying more than 4 wives. Muhammad had more than 4 wives. Perhaps as many as 22. His youngest wife was 6 years old. This means he sinned. He was also made to repent. Muhammad looted and pilfered the property of others for his own personal benefit without divine direction. (see Ali Dashti, 23 Years, p. 86-87; Encyclopedia Britannica, 15:648) I just think the people who worship Allah on the OTHER SIDE of the globe cannot be made peaceful very easily. |
I never knew that o_O. This can explain the cartoon problem.
CompactHaven wrote:
The meaning of pagans here is the people who do not have any religion.(in Arabic meaning)
CompactHaven wrote:
What is your source about these?
CompactHaven wrote:
The earliest quran that I personally saw that in a museume in Isfahan is from the first century of Islamic calender (about 600AD)
CompactHaven wrote:
The word Islam means submit but not for another person it's only for the god.(aren't you submitted for God?)
CompactHaven wrote:
In Quran it doesn't say that you can't have more than 4 wives. (It's a law in some Islamic countries becuase of justice)
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| The Qur'an says: "Fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush" (Surah 9:5) |
The meaning of pagans here is the people who do not have any religion.(in Arabic meaning)
CompactHaven wrote:
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| Muhammad’s 2 concubines/slaves:
1. Mary (the Christian) 2. Rayhana Muhammad’s 4 devoted followers who who "gave" themselves to satisfy Muhammad's sexual desires. 1. Omm Sharik 2. Maymuna 3. Zaynab (a third one) 4. Khawla |
What is your source about these?
CompactHaven wrote:
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| Also The earliest complete manuscript of Koran is is around 800AD. There are no ancient copies of the Koran dating before 750 AD in museums. |
The earliest quran that I personally saw that in a museume in Isfahan is from the first century of Islamic calender (about 600AD)
CompactHaven wrote:
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| The word Islam means 'submit,' not peace. |
The word Islam means submit but not for another person it's only for the god.(aren't you submitted for God?)
CompactHaven wrote:
| Quote: |
| Muhammad violated the Qur’an by marrying more than 4 wives. Muhammad had more than 4 wives. Perhaps as many as 22. His youngest wife was 6 years old. This means he sinned. He was also made to repent. |
In Quran it doesn't say that you can't have more than 4 wives. (It's a law in some Islamic countries becuase of justice)
First off, I'm not trying to flame Islam in this post. The people that visibly believe in Islam usually seem to have a fanatic view of the Western world and Israel. Sadly, the Bible clearly says that Islam an Christianity will never fully agree and be peaceful. 
there is nothing wrong with islam that there isn't with any other religion. islam is not a violent religion..americans are just predisposed to islam=war because there are crazy wars between sunnis (sp? i know that can't be right) a nd the shiites, and many other radical denominations. media loves to hype things up, but does anyone go around screaming that we put people in jail based on christian morals? polygamy is illegal in america, not because of womens' rights, but because we were founded by christians. in georgia, you can't sell beer on sunday. why? because it's a "holy" day.
if you want to blame violence, start with yourself.
(not meant to be insulting)
if you want to blame violence, start with yourself.
(not meant to be insulting)
| Rocky3478 wrote: |
| Sadly, the Bible clearly says that Islam an Christianity will never fully agree and be peaceful. |
where do you find that?
I've seen it!!! It's in Liars 2:23
| polarBear wrote: |
| I've seen it!!! It's in Liars 2:23 |
Isn't the Bible (including the New Testament) written before the Koran? How could they write then that those two religions never can fully agree and be peaceful together?
Of course, they will never fully agree (because they believe in another propheth), but they can live with each other peacefully I think, if we neglect the fundamentalists at least.
| Gieter wrote: | ||
Isn't the Bible (including the New Testament) written before the Koran? How could they write then that those two religions never can fully agree and be peaceful together? Of course, they will never fully agree (because they believe in another propheth), but they can live with each other peacefully I think, if we neglect the fundamentalists at least. |
Most Christians are (or should be) willing to live in peace with Islam. I know I am, however, Islam does not appear ready to be at peace with the rest of their world.
| a_dubDesign wrote: | ||
where do you find that? |
In Genesis 16:12, where it talks about him not being at peace with the rest of the world. Although this reference does indicate that Ishmael and his descendants will forever be at war with the rest of the world, not just Christianity. I simply narrowed it down and misquoted. My apologies for the lack of precision on my part.
All the muslims I know are like us christians apart from that they:
go to a mosgue instead of a church
don't eat porc
preach against mecca??? instead 5 times a day
have other feasts
and things like that
they are not like many of you isolated americans think:
barbarians,
just because they have other ideals
you dont need to oppress them
Ideas like that lead to the Second world war
just stop......
go to a mosgue instead of a church
don't eat porc
preach against mecca??? instead 5 times a day
have other feasts
and things like that
they are not like many of you isolated americans think:
barbarians,
just because they have other ideals
you dont need to oppress them
Ideas like that lead to the Second world war
just stop......
I'm a Muslim and I can answer your all questions but my native language is not English and it's very poor. But you can visit this web site:
www.islamanswering.com
This web site newly opened and growing fast.
At bottom, I've added an article about word of ISLAM and what it means.
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ISLAM is one of the derivatives of a common root, S-L-M, for many related words in Arabic such as AS-SALAM and MUSLIM. The derivatives are formed by applying the root form to different linguistic patterns.
The root SLM itself literally means “peace.” When the first consonant of the root is prefixed with the patternal “i-,” i.e., iSLM and the last with “a-,” i.e. SlaM, altogether the root reads iSLaM now. This is the pattern of full action. Thus, Islam means "putting peace into action" or "practicing peace fully." So, in reality the word iSLaM refers to the application of peace not just peace itself. This is why Islam cannot be without practice.
The word muSLiM is yet another derivative of the same root, SLM, through addition of a different set, i.e., “mu-” before the S, and “i-” after the L. The equivalent of this pattern in English is the suffex -er like in read-er, do-er, or act-or, etc. So, derived from iSLaM, the practicing of peace, the word muSLiM now means one who is practicing iSLaM, practicer of peace, a peaceful person or a peace-maker. When you add the suffix -ah, you generate female form of the doer. Thus, muSLiMah is the female practicer of peace.
When you add the prefix al-, it functions as a definite article. Hence, Al salam is the peace. If "As salamu alaykum" literally is “The peace upon you," then alaykum must mean the rest of the translation which is “Upon you.” Yes, “ala” in Arabic on, upon, and “kum” is you (plural).
The Hebrew words shalom and Solomon are also peace-related words in meaning as Hebrew and Arabic are sister languages.
www.islamanswering.com
This web site newly opened and growing fast.
At bottom, I've added an article about word of ISLAM and what it means.
************************************************************
ISLAM is one of the derivatives of a common root, S-L-M, for many related words in Arabic such as AS-SALAM and MUSLIM. The derivatives are formed by applying the root form to different linguistic patterns.
The root SLM itself literally means “peace.” When the first consonant of the root is prefixed with the patternal “i-,” i.e., iSLM and the last with “a-,” i.e. SlaM, altogether the root reads iSLaM now. This is the pattern of full action. Thus, Islam means "putting peace into action" or "practicing peace fully." So, in reality the word iSLaM refers to the application of peace not just peace itself. This is why Islam cannot be without practice.
The word muSLiM is yet another derivative of the same root, SLM, through addition of a different set, i.e., “mu-” before the S, and “i-” after the L. The equivalent of this pattern in English is the suffex -er like in read-er, do-er, or act-or, etc. So, derived from iSLaM, the practicing of peace, the word muSLiM now means one who is practicing iSLaM, practicer of peace, a peaceful person or a peace-maker. When you add the suffix -ah, you generate female form of the doer. Thus, muSLiMah is the female practicer of peace.
When you add the prefix al-, it functions as a definite article. Hence, Al salam is the peace. If "As salamu alaykum" literally is “The peace upon you," then alaykum must mean the rest of the translation which is “Upon you.” Yes, “ala” in Arabic on, upon, and “kum” is you (plural).
The Hebrew words shalom and Solomon are also peace-related words in meaning as Hebrew and Arabic are sister languages.
most of Islam teaching is good, there are little path are bad
(exp: asking their follower to killing/execute peolpe who don't follow their Allah's way).
while they feel Islam is from the only God, they don't realize the bad path inside Qu'ran is bad. (maybe) Mohamad the inteligent/smartman cover it by saying "this is a command directed from Allah, follow the command of Allah it will be placed in paradise after death" so when they do bad thing they still think it was all right.
those brave/strong personality follower turn to warriror which we (non-Islam) call them "Terorrist" today to fight for Islam way. they believe the only god is Allah other than that is Evil. they want to safe this world from evil. how to do it? convert non-islam to islam with all the way, otherwise execute it. fortunaly they're not too many brave personality follower in this world. most of them just like us living the simple life with Islam way.
so when some non-islam said "islam is terorrist", most of moslem will still feel this is wrong perspective while most of them is taught is good. so they can hate US or Jewish (saying the true Terrorist is them not us) or maybe some western people but they don't feel it's not right the become vengeance.
go to mosque and learn the Islam, you will find most of the teaching is good morale. when people become too kind, they were 'eat' by their goodness and become evil. in other meaning, they want to 'fight' for good but with wrong way which become violence. for example: asking bad people to doing good (Allah way) but with AK47 or sword when those bad people is hard to teach.
(exp: asking their follower to killing/execute peolpe who don't follow their Allah's way).
while they feel Islam is from the only God, they don't realize the bad path inside Qu'ran is bad. (maybe) Mohamad the inteligent/smartman cover it by saying "this is a command directed from Allah, follow the command of Allah it will be placed in paradise after death" so when they do bad thing they still think it was all right.
those brave/strong personality follower turn to warriror which we (non-Islam) call them "Terorrist" today to fight for Islam way. they believe the only god is Allah other than that is Evil. they want to safe this world from evil. how to do it? convert non-islam to islam with all the way, otherwise execute it. fortunaly they're not too many brave personality follower in this world. most of them just like us living the simple life with Islam way.
so when some non-islam said "islam is terorrist", most of moslem will still feel this is wrong perspective while most of them is taught is good. so they can hate US or Jewish (saying the true Terrorist is them not us) or maybe some western people but they don't feel it's not right the become vengeance.
go to mosque and learn the Islam, you will find most of the teaching is good morale. when people become too kind, they were 'eat' by their goodness and become evil. in other meaning, they want to 'fight' for good but with wrong way which become violence. for example: asking bad people to doing good (Allah way) but with AK47 or sword when those bad people is hard to teach.
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