Do you believe in reincarnation? I know I do. Talk to me.
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Reincarnation?
REincarnation? buddism!
well no prove, but depend on the person. Might be true, might not! There are chance in every way. There is soul ? well body and soul? soul can get to body in the initial developement stage? Life recycle? Yeah don't forget to put the plastic bottle back in recycle bin for re-used.
well no prove, but depend on the person. Might be true, might not! There are chance in every way. There is soul ? well body and soul? soul can get to body in the initial developement stage? Life recycle? Yeah don't forget to put the plastic bottle back in recycle bin for re-used.
I don't believe in it simply because I can't prove it. However - I could understand how someone might come to such a assumption considering that everything else we have discovered in observable reality would seem to follow some type of cyclical pattern. Why wouldn't we follow suit?
I don't personally believe in reincarnation, but that does not discredit it or prove it. My faith teaches that we have one life and one soul, we can not determine what will become of our lives, but we are in control of our souls. If we live a "good" life we will be rewarded in Heaven, what those rewards could be I have no clue, it seems each religion has it's own idea of the "perfect afterlife". If we chose to live our lives outside of God's graces we may be subject to eternity in "Hell". Even the concept of what Hell may be is differant from one religion and another.
Disclaimer: My own personal thoughts about reincarnation are my own and are not meant to sway anybody to my way of thinking.
Disclaimer: My own personal thoughts about reincarnation are my own and are not meant to sway anybody to my way of thinking.
Isn't being reborn in heaven very similiar to reincarnation?
I wanted to ask what it is that continues of you in the next life?
(Please don't just say the soul, give me aspects of being)
What do you believe links one life with the next?
(*curious*)
I wanted to ask what it is that continues of you in the next life?
(Please don't just say the soul, give me aspects of being)
What do you believe links one life with the next?
(*curious*)
| kimrei wrote: |
| Isn't being reborn in heaven very similiar to reincarnation?
I wanted to ask what it is that continues of you in the next life? (Please don't just say the soul, give me aspects of being) What do you believe links one life with the next? (*curious*) |
As per hinduism you have 2 types bodies.
1.Gross body and 2. subtle body
gross body is ur visible body made from earth, air, water, fire and ether (5 elements)
subtle body consists of mind, intelligence and ego.
So it is the gross body that dies and subtle body never dies and is a permanent residence of spirit soul.
You can find this information in detail in any of 300+ different commentaries on 'Bhagvad Gita' by various authers.
Personally I would recommend 'BhagvadGita As It Is' by Swami Prabhupad. It is very nicely explained there. (Perticularly analogy of clothes given in third chapter)
i dont think so... mybe i dont believe that... how bout you do you belive?
Well, in a way reincarnation is the only way to get around, since the matter on earth is recycled. We bury our
dead and they decompose to become the earth we grow our food in, or burn them to become the air we breath.
Perhaps not the way you ment reincarnation, but my answer to the way you ment it aswell. We are all one, like
the rastafari say
, if by no other way, so in the movement of atoms,
dead and they decompose to become the earth we grow our food in, or burn them to become the air we breath.
Perhaps not the way you ment reincarnation, but my answer to the way you ment it aswell. We are all one, like
the rastafari say
, if by no other way, so in the movement of atoms,I think that reincarnation is possible, but that it is not required. It's possible that after you die and your cells turn to dust, the memories inhabited by your body start disappearing as what's left of you begins to wonder why exactly things mattered to you in life. Of course I guess it's possible to reassemble into another organism either by design or by nature, but I'd venture a guess that most of us would prefer death, unless an untimely demise caused us to wonder what we could be missing in life, thus leading to despair.
I guess in this way it coincides with the view that suicide is a sin, after all, if you end yourself prematurely, how are you to know what you were supposed to do in life?
Happiness should be influenced by success in fate.
I guess in this way it coincides with the view that suicide is a sin, after all, if you end yourself prematurely, how are you to know what you were supposed to do in life?
Happiness should be influenced by success in fate.
but i'm also quite believe it or not, i don't know, but i'm also quite not sure about that kind of thing,
i'm also want to believe it. so when i'am reincarnation i want to be a better people. good in handle people, animal, plant. OK that's crazy, but i honour them who believe reincarnation, don't lose your faith.
i'm also want to believe it. so when i'am reincarnation i want to be a better people. good in handle people, animal, plant. OK that's crazy, but i honour them who believe reincarnation, don't lose your faith.
You can go back and be an animal if you wish -> but the morepart go for more challenging tasks. Souls do evolve. The task when inkarnated is to remember; the soul know everything - you have nothing to learn - you just have to remember!!! Life is not a school, life is for the experince and remembering.
So if you evolve to the climax... can you start over -> yes you can, and some do.
So if you evolve to the climax... can you start over -> yes you can, and some do.
I semi believe in it, because if it's true, that'd be pretty cool.
| spinout wrote: |
| You can go back and be an animal if you wish -> but the morepart go for more challenging tasks. Souls do evolve. The task when inkarnated is to remember; the soul know everything - you have nothing to learn - you just have to remember!!! Life is not a school, life is for the experince and remembering.
So if you evolve to the climax... can you start over -> yes you can, and some do. |
How can the soul know everything on the one hand and then evolve on the other hand?
That was the correct question!
to evolve with all the facts in mind... Well the trick is to remember and experience that in life. See the memory is the key to the whole experince... if you did remember/see the other side then life wouldn't be life - then the curtain would be up n the whole experience gone.
To evolve is to remember!
to evolve with all the facts in mind... Well the trick is to remember and experience that in life. See the memory is the key to the whole experince... if you did remember/see the other side then life wouldn't be life - then the curtain would be up n the whole experience gone.
To evolve is to remember!
| spinout wrote: |
| That was the correct question!
to evolve with all the facts in mind... Well the trick is to remember and experience that in life. See the memory is the key to the whole experince... if you did remember/see the other side then life wouldn't be life - then the curtain would be up n the whole experience gone. To evolve is to remember! |
Memory is fairly well understood as a set of physical processes in the brain, so if you are correct then a newborn must already have the memory structures present in the brain. This is demonstrably not the case.
My statement is that the soul have all information. But when connected to a body -> time to try to remember! So when you 'die' or 'at the end of the current body' then the curtain goes up again.
You already know everything! You just have to remember!
You already know everything! You just have to remember!
| spinout wrote: |
| My statement is that the soul have all information. But when connected to a body -> time to try to remember! So when you 'die' or 'at the end of the current body' then the curtain goes up again.
You already know everything! You just have to remember! |
And my statement is that the brain is the seat of memory so the soul must affect the brain in order to pass on memories. There is no evidence of this happening.
I firmly DON'T believe in reincarnation. I believe that we will be awoken before God on the Day of Judgment, and then sent to Heaven or Hell, but no I don't believe that I'm going to die and return as a pig. That's ridiculous and I can't understand why anyone would believe that.
| HalfBloodPrince wrote: |
| I firmly DON'T believe in reincarnation. I believe that we will be awoken before God on the Day of Judgment, and then sent to Heaven or Hell, but no I don't believe that I'm going to die and return as a pig. That's ridiculous and I can't understand why anyone would believe that. |
the same way someone would think u awakening in heaven ridiculous.
u haven given much thought to ur post and it's obvious you answered on impulse.
stop to question your own faith and dun blindly believe in it.
reincarnation may happen or not, i know not. but as in everything man created, they wanna survive as long as possible. and thus came heaven, hell, reincarnation, etc. we wanna survive, it's our natural instinct. and we wun believe we wld die. im not sure whether to believe in reincarnation or not, afterlife or not, i just believe i must live my life now, and live it to the fullest. wad happens after, will come after we die.
I was raised secularly, yet the idea that we come back to Earth seemed common sense to me growing up. I was shocked when I was first introduced to Christianity and the idea that reincarnation doesn't exist. It just makes intuitive and logical sense to me. It's kind of funny thinking back on it now, because I live in the Bible Belt in the USA and all. How I got away with not hearing the theory of only being on Earth once for the first fifteen years of my life, I'll never know. 
| HalfBloodPrince wrote: |
| I firmly DON'T believe in reincarnation. I believe that we will be awoken before God on the Day of Judgment, and then sent to Heaven or Hell, but no I don't believe that I'm going to die and return as a pig. That's ridiculous and I can't understand why anyone would believe that. |
You seem to have an issue respecting other people's followings and beliefs. Go read your holy book, sir. No where does it give you the right to judge. You accept. God does the judging. =) This is why people gawk at many religious people...they're fully hypocritical in many instances.
To stay on topic: No I don't think it happens, but that doesn't mean it doesn't. However, the burden of proof lies in the hands of those who say something like this occurs after death, not in those who doubt it. There's no proof that it occurs, so basically faith is the only thing that drives it...and we all know that story. You die, you decay, nothing occurs. We're an animal species just as the rest and we live our lives to the end just as any other species would do. After that, it's simply over.
I think reincarnation is really happened in many countries.
I am a buddhist. And I believe reincarnation.
I am a buddhist. And I believe reincarnation.
I think the tv-show is called the dog-whisperer - in my country the title is 'he who talks with dogs'
anyway, cesar is the hosts name.
Who hasn't watched the show and thought that this is a dog in a human body? (or that he is a reinkarnation from a dog!)
The jingle tells that he was BORN with the knowledge, how to understand dogs...
Well, more important is the information. That man has a clear task, and a special one, but still a good and wise inkarnation... so say????
anyway, cesar is the hosts name.
Who hasn't watched the show and thought that this is a dog in a human body? (or that he is a reinkarnation from a dog!)
The jingle tells that he was BORN with the knowledge, how to understand dogs...
Well, more important is the information. That man has a clear task, and a special one, but still a good and wise inkarnation... so say????
I'm not sure what the definition of reincarnation is or how it is said to occur, however I believe at some point in time, you could awaken (be born) as another form then you are now. When you look at it logically, you can say that after death the brain dies and you exist in a similar state as you did before you were born(which in reality means you cease to exist). But as you're reading this right now, you know that you were somehow brought consciously into this world. How this occurs, I have no idea, however the point remains that your point of view has been locked onto an organisms being, you are that organism for what you know.
Now I think that there are a few possibilities.
1.) When you die, thats it. You spend eternity in the state you did before your birth, you don't exist.
2.) When you die, you are instantly reborn into your current form. For this to happen, it would mean that the universe would have to play in a loop.
3.) When you die, your matter gets recycled and your point of view gets locked on to another organism(you are reborn as some other life form, be it human, animal, plant(though plant would be likely similar to not existing at all anyways)).
I think all 3 possibilities have about an equal chance of occurring after death, though I would probably lean towards #1 and #2 as being slightly more likely.
In all 3 possibilities, you would never know that you existed in another form, all you would know is what you were currently experiencing.
Well, thats the conclusion I've come to.
Now I think that there are a few possibilities.
1.) When you die, thats it. You spend eternity in the state you did before your birth, you don't exist.
2.) When you die, you are instantly reborn into your current form. For this to happen, it would mean that the universe would have to play in a loop.
3.) When you die, your matter gets recycled and your point of view gets locked on to another organism(you are reborn as some other life form, be it human, animal, plant(though plant would be likely similar to not existing at all anyways)).
I think all 3 possibilities have about an equal chance of occurring after death, though I would probably lean towards #1 and #2 as being slightly more likely.
In all 3 possibilities, you would never know that you existed in another form, all you would know is what you were currently experiencing.
Well, thats the conclusion I've come to.
In Buddhism, it's called rebirth. From what i learned, there's difference between reincarnation and rebirth.
Reincarnation : you are born, and you remember all things from your past.
Rebirth : you are born, and the only thing left from your pasts are your karma and your awareness.
So for example you have done a lot of good karma in your current life,and you also learn a lot of wisdom, then in your next life (suppose you're still rebirth-ed), then you'll get the better initial condition,such as born in rich family or have a good-look (because of your past karma), and you'll be able to retrieve your past wisdom faster. But how fast you converge (reach the nirvana) still depends on your deed in the next life. So as long as you're not accumulating bad karma (such as killing etc) then you need not worry to be born as a pig in the next life , it's not that random.
Of course, i still haven't found any proof that karma and rebirth exist. but i'm open to it. Just try to be a nice and wise person
Reincarnation : you are born, and you remember all things from your past.
Rebirth : you are born, and the only thing left from your pasts are your karma and your awareness.
So for example you have done a lot of good karma in your current life,and you also learn a lot of wisdom, then in your next life (suppose you're still rebirth-ed), then you'll get the better initial condition,such as born in rich family or have a good-look (because of your past karma), and you'll be able to retrieve your past wisdom faster. But how fast you converge (reach the nirvana) still depends on your deed in the next life. So as long as you're not accumulating bad karma (such as killing etc) then you need not worry to be born as a pig in the next life
, it's not that random.
Of course, i still haven't found any proof that karma and rebirth exist. but i'm open to it. Just try to be a nice and wise person
| miacps wrote: |
| I'm not sure what the definition of reincarnation is or how it is said to occur, however I believe at some point in time, you could awaken (be born) as another form then you are now. When you look at it logically, you can say that after death the brain dies and you exist in a similar state as you did before you were born(which in reality means you cease to exist). But as you're reading this right now, you know that you were somehow brought consciously into this world. How this occurs, I have no idea, however the point remains that your point of view has been locked onto an organisms being, you are that organism for what you know.
Now I think that there are a few possibilities. 1.) When you die, thats it. You spend eternity in the state you did before your birth, you don't exist. 2.) When you die, you are instantly reborn into your current form. For this to happen, it would mean that the universe would have to play in a loop. 3.) When you die, your matter gets recycled and your point of view gets locked on to another organism(you are reborn as some other life form, be it human, animal, plant(though plant would be likely similar to not existing at all anyways)). I think all 3 possibilities have about an equal chance of occurring after death, though I would probably lean towards #1 and #2 as being slightly more likely. In all 3 possibilities, you would never know that you existed in another form, all you would know is what you were currently experiencing. Well, thats the conclusion I've come to. |
How about #3 without the point of view? You simply get "recycled" and fuel the life of some other organism (most likely a plant given that you decay in the ground).
In Hindu religion, It has been stated number of times like this--- The soul is an entity which cannot be created or destroyed. It only changes the body like we change our old clothes. So what reincarnation means only to wear a new cloth(body) by an existing soul. If the soul is pure, it will be
united with the god and there will be no reincurnation. It is also beleived that to get a human body, a soul must travel through seven stages like bugs, cats, dogs etc etc.
Reincurnation is supported by almost all religions starting from the faraos of egypt, Jesus, Budhha, Mohammad etc etc. The uncertainity of human life made every religion to beleive that he or she will re-born. So if someone is doing wrong , he/she will be punished in the next birth. If someone is suffering constantly without any reason, we use to say that he/she must have done something wrong in his previous life. The virtue and vice is always carry-forwarded.
united with the god and there will be no reincurnation. It is also beleived that to get a human body, a soul must travel through seven stages like bugs, cats, dogs etc etc.
Reincurnation is supported by almost all religions starting from the faraos of egypt, Jesus, Budhha, Mohammad etc etc. The uncertainity of human life made every religion to beleive that he or she will re-born. So if someone is doing wrong , he/she will be punished in the next birth. If someone is suffering constantly without any reason, we use to say that he/she must have done something wrong in his previous life. The virtue and vice is always carry-forwarded.
But if the human population is increasing, where are all of the extra souls coming from?
| liljp617 wrote: | ||
How about #3 without the point of view? You simply get "recycled" and fuel the life of some other organism (most likely a plant given that you decay in the ground). |
That would basically be the same as #1.
| miacps wrote: | ||||
That would basically be the same as #1. |
Sort of. You wouldn't exist in the physical sense, but in the case I described, you're SORT OF living through another organism/plant (considering you fuel(ed) it's existence) only you don't have any point of view or knowledge of what actually happened
idk i find it quite scary... knowing that u already lived a few lives before...
I don't really believe in it, but i would like to do it... because ( since i'm an atheist) there's nothing after dying, nothing to be happy about if someone died...
I don't really believe in it, but i would like to do it... because ( since i'm an atheist) there's nothing after dying, nothing to be happy about if someone died...
| Jinx wrote: |
| But if the human population is increasing, where are all of the extra souls coming from? |
With the increase in human population, the other animals of the planet are vanishing rapidly. As I have mentioned earlier, the popular belief is that it requires seven life cycle to acquire a human body.The souls released by other animals are getting the human body now. If you observe carefuly
you will be able to see the charecteristics of different animals in different human and can easily predict what was he/she before getting this human birth.
| bukaida wrote: | ||
With the increase in human population, the other animals of the planet are vanishing rapidly. As I have mentioned earlier, the popular belief is that it requires seven life cycle to acquire a human body.The souls released by other animals are getting the human body now. If you observe carefuly you will be able to see the charecteristics of different animals in different human and can easily predict what was he/she before getting this human birth. |
also in Buddhism, life exists in realms other than those visible to us. So it is possible that Those souls are entering human form because of their karma.
| bukaida wrote: | ||
With the increase in human population, the other animals of the planet are vanishing rapidly. As I have mentioned earlier, the popular belief is that it requires seven life cycle to acquire a human body.The souls released by other animals are getting the human body now. If you observe carefuly you will be able to see the charecteristics of different animals in different human and can easily predict what was he/she before getting this human birth. |
This assumes that the total population of animals has remained constant. Clearly this is not the case. If we track back through history we find gradual increases, exponential increases, mass extinctions etc. I don't know if anyone has done the stats for total animal population since (say) a couple of billion years ago, but I can tell you for sure that it is not constant.
As for predicting what animal a person 'came from', I disagree completely. This is simply anthropomorphic fantasy. It says more about the person making the comparison than it does about the subject of the comparison. If you have to compare then you will find that people share many characteristics with the great apes. Why is that? Simple - they are our closest evolutionary relatives. It has nothing to do with reincarnation and everything to do with basic biology.
Eastern religions aren't the only ones who strongly believe in reincarnation. Many earth based religions also believe that we never truly move on to death until after we have experienced everything there is to offer. Every abuser has been or will be the abused, the same goes for everything, every path
I am not very knowledgable about reincarnation and at some point have learned that it is possible for people to recall their previous lives through hypnosis. Some psychics can apparently also read your previous lives off you? Has anyone got experience with this?
Reincarnation is a kinda weird. Because when you get reincarnated you forget all of your other lives. Yet there is such a thing as "Unforgettable Love" which you met up in the next life and fall in love again. It's kind of weird 
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