Does anyone here practice Wiccan. I know that it is one of the fastest growing religions in the world. I have been Wiccan all my life, my gramma raised me as such.. just trying to find somebody else who shares my interests.. 
Wiccan?
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| Does anyone here practice Wiccan. I know that it is one of the fastest growing religions in the world. I have been Wiccan all my life, my gramma raised me as such.. just trying to find somebody else who shares my interests.. |
I don't practice Wicca although I believe that it can be a very powerful thing but one of my friends do. There not completely wrapped into it and neither are they into the Dark Arts. What do you believe in ? Monotheistic, Duotheistic, Polytheistic or aAtheistic ?
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Wicca is monotheistic: Some Wiccans recognize a single supreme being, sometimes called "The All" or "The One." The Goddess and God are viewed as the female and male aspects of this single deity. Wicca is duotheistic (a.k.a. rarely as bitheistic): Wiccans often worship a female Goddess and a male God., often called the Lady and Lord. Wicca is polytheistic: Wiccans recognize the existence of many ancient Gods and Goddesses, including Pan, Diana, Dionysius, Fergus, etc. Wicca is atheistic: Some Wiccans view the God and Goddess as symbols, not living entities. Depending upon which definition of the term "Atheist" that you adopt, these Wiccans may be considered Atheists. |
I believe in a spiritual power.. one large energy that is in everything.. the God and Goddess are the masc. and feminine forms of this energy. I don't really believe in a god or goddess, just that energy. the god and goddess are just icons of that energy. I also believe in the spirits or energies of late gods and goddesses. such as the greek gods or the roman gods of ancient times. But it's not really a belief in them so much as it is an icon of what they represent. For example, if you are trying to attract love in your life, you would carry around something representing aphrodite. It is just what that goddess represents. I mean.. I guess that is atheist.. I don't believe in a single supreme being that rules everything.. I believe in an energy in nature and people..
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| I believe in a spiritual power.. one large energy that is in everything.. the God and Goddess are the masc. and feminine forms of this energy. I don't really believe in a god or goddess, just that energy. the god and goddess are just icons of that energy. I also believe in the spirits or energies of late gods and goddesses. such as the greek gods or the roman gods of ancient times. But it's not really a belief in them so much as it is an icon of what they represent. For example, if you are trying to attract love in your life, you would carry around something representing aphrodite. It is just what that goddess represents. I mean.. I guess that is atheist.. I don't believe in a single supreme being that rules everything.. I believe in an energy in nature and people.. |
Me too
and I thought that I was a loner 
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Me too and I thought that I was a loner |
I believe that a lot of atheists are like that so u r definitely not a loner
That was the original idea behind the jewish faith before god was personified (like all the misinterpretations of quantum mechanics to cause the belief that the cat's actually simultaneously alive and dead).
The word Jehovah translates to "the all".
It's a beautiful way to view the world
Yoú're definitely not alonė.
The word Jehovah translates to "the all".
It's a beautiful way to view the world
Yoú're definitely not alonė.
The question about religous is far more from being comparable to each other. This is one of the most argument factor that is undertermined because many philosophy/theory people believe that there is a source of power do exist and the creation.
The creation of religion is just a stage where people creat or somewhat believe that there might be this person or this scrupture is actually GOD, MESSENGER, OR LEGITIMATE POWER. Which in the end, we all know that most people don't run or knee down and beg for mercy until they are really struggle with their path of life or suffer from their obstacle.
"heaven is where a person make it, it is not because earth is not a heaven, it is because people don't make it a heaven"
The creation of religion is just a stage where people creat or somewhat believe that there might be this person or this scrupture is actually GOD, MESSENGER, OR LEGITIMATE POWER. Which in the end, we all know that most people don't run or knee down and beg for mercy until they are really struggle with their path of life or suffer from their obstacle.
"heaven is where a person make it, it is not because earth is not a heaven, it is because people don't make it a heaven"
You're raised as a Wiccan? You are really lucky, you know that, don't you?
I'm sort of Wiccan... I prefer to call myself Pagan, since I have no formal training.
I'm sort of Wiccan... I prefer to call myself Pagan, since I have no formal training.
My gramma was Wiccan.. she didn't really know what her belief was called at the time but she practiced witchcraft.. her beliefs follow the Wiccan beliefs system. I got out of Wicca for a couple years, but when she passed away, Something told me that I wanted to get back into it. So for the last year, I have been practicing on my own. I have all of the beliefs of a Wiccan.. I just didn't practice the craft for a long time. It's like re-learning everything all over again. But it's fun.. and it's worth it!
Could you tell me about some of the practices you follow and the reasoning behind them pretty please?
Sure. Well.. Wiccans celebrate 13 Esbats (full moons) a year. This is just a ritual that honors the Goddess. Then, there are 8 Sabbaths a year.. which are natural occurences. (e.g. spring equinox, longest days of the year) If you want in depth info.. a website I suggest is wicca.com. They have all the info there for a newbie witch. Samhain.. which is halloween is the witches New Year. It is said that the sheet between the living and the dead is at its thinnest on this day.
Witches also practice meditation.. it is our form of "prayer". Witches don't believe in a solitary creator of the universe. We believe that everything has an energy.. and this energy is "the all" The only reason I say God and Goddess is to give a face to this energy. It is a symbol of this energy. I don't really believe in a God and Goddess the way that most think. Wicca is a very nature based religion.. as we worship nature. A Wiccan would never cut down a tree.. or hurt an animal. Some Wiccans are meat eaters.. but they always thank the animal that was killed so that they could eat. Wicca is just respect.. respect for nature and everything in it.
Witches also practice meditation.. it is our form of "prayer". Witches don't believe in a solitary creator of the universe. We believe that everything has an energy.. and this energy is "the all" The only reason I say God and Goddess is to give a face to this energy. It is a symbol of this energy. I don't really believe in a God and Goddess the way that most think. Wicca is a very nature based religion.. as we worship nature. A Wiccan would never cut down a tree.. or hurt an animal. Some Wiccans are meat eaters.. but they always thank the animal that was killed so that they could eat. Wicca is just respect.. respect for nature and everything in it.
Magick is finding your connection to the Earth and all that is natural, alive and moving in the universe! It binds all that exists together.
Magick is living in balance with the flow of life, and knowing that you are a vital force within that flow. Magick is everywhere! In the trees, rain, stars, and in the sea. It is the spark that quickens a seed to rise up from the soil.
Magick is laughter, joy, wonder and truth the of the world around us!
It is the subtle enchantment that reminds us not to waste a single moment of this gift that we call life! Magick is not greed, or power, or pretense...It is real. It exists. And it works.
Magick is the mystery that lies in the secret soul of the world. It is the essence of creation. What we imagine, we have the power to create!
MAGICK IS WITHIN YOU...
With it you can create your dreams, heal your world, love your life and find the peace that lives in every human heart
Magick is living in balance with the flow of life, and knowing that you are a vital force within that flow. Magick is everywhere! In the trees, rain, stars, and in the sea. It is the spark that quickens a seed to rise up from the soil.
Magick is laughter, joy, wonder and truth the of the world around us!
It is the subtle enchantment that reminds us not to waste a single moment of this gift that we call life! Magick is not greed, or power, or pretense...It is real. It exists. And it works.
Magick is the mystery that lies in the secret soul of the world. It is the essence of creation. What we imagine, we have the power to create!
MAGICK IS WITHIN YOU...
With it you can create your dreams, heal your world, love your life and find the peace that lives in every human heart
Wiccan.
That always confused me. I never understood what wiccan was, till now.
But I still don't understand one thing.
Is withcraft involved?
I believe that the whole witches thing is just a marketing device to sell Halloween, but is there any truth to witches.
Are witches wiccan?
Although the term witch carries some negative connotation, is there any connection to the two?
Ha, forget the who "one thing that confuses me."
That always confused me. I never understood what wiccan was, till now.
But I still don't understand one thing.
Is withcraft involved?
I believe that the whole witches thing is just a marketing device to sell Halloween, but is there any truth to witches.
Are witches wiccan?
Although the term witch carries some negative connotation, is there any connection to the two?
Ha, forget the who "one thing that confuses me."
Witches, honestly, just know that they can make things happen. It's all about directing energy into something you want. If you believe in something enough.. it's gonna happen.
With method (as in making a house appear by directing energy into building a house)
Or with pure will?
Or with pure will?
With pure will. If you want a house to just appear.. that's a little out of the question. Witches know that you have to use mundane ways to make some things happen. But say that you went and put applications in to find a new job.. you can do a spell to help you get that new job. Had you not put applications in.. the spell wouldn't work. It's a mixture of working for something.. and putting your will into something to make it happen. Sometimes.. working for it still doesn't make it happen.. so you give it a little boost. Obviously, nobody can make a house appear out of thin air. But you can do a spell to find the right house for you. And it works.. but honestly, a lot of it is believing it will happen. If you believe that it will happen, then you work a little harder to make it happen because you believe that it will work. You can't just sit around and expect good things to happen to you and for you to find a job. You have to do the work that comes along with it. Does that make sense? It's kind of hard to explain..
Nah, I don't practice Wiccan, I practice Roman Catholicism.
man willowmoon, your post about magick is beautiful, I hope it is something you experience every day.
I love that the truth is so inclusive, as I see all of this in christianity as well, even though many many people seem to miss it. I don't know if its by chance or by choice. Either way its a sad thing that its missed.
I love that the truth is so inclusive, as I see all of this in christianity as well, even though many many people seem to miss it. I don't know if its by chance or by choice. Either way its a sad thing that its missed.
I believe the fact that if you wish anything, you surely get it provided its A TRUE WISH FROM A TRUE HEART.. As Paulo Coelho said in THE ALCHEMIST: "IF YOU DESIRE SOMETHING THE UNIVERSE CONSPIRES AND GIVES IT TO YOU".
Is Wicca different from TRUE WISH and is dependent on spells?? Similar to BLACK MAGIC?? Do we need a WAND??
A bit---too---far question: CAN I BE HARRY POTTER???
Is Wicca different from TRUE WISH and is dependent on spells?? Similar to BLACK MAGIC?? Do we need a WAND??
A bit---too---far question: CAN I BE HARRY POTTER???
No.. Wicca is definitely about true wish and free will. You don't need a spell to get something you want.. if it is truly what you want and it does not harm anyone. All you need is to focus your energy and intent on the item you want.. and it happens. The "spell" just puts your mind in the right place. All of the items we use.. (e.g. the wand, candles, herbs..etc..) just put you in the mood to focus. Candle colors generally have different meanings. If you were to do a love spell.. you would use a red candle. A money spell.. a green candle. It is said that different energies bounce off colors.. Herbs are also said to mean different things. But those items just add a little kick to your spell. The spell IS your intent.. you don't need to say anything to perform a spell. All you have to do is think it! It's all about believing that it will happen.. and it will.
Hey, that's something nice.. FAITH is the most important criterion then.. Hmmm... Nice 2 know more about it.. BTW, could you guide me to some websites which have more info about it..
Is WICCA only for women or can men practice it too?? (I am asking this because Wicca symbolizes something FEMININE to me.)
Is WICCA only for women or can men practice it too?? (I am asking this because Wicca symbolizes something FEMININE to me.)
amm i already read smth about wicca at wiki and on the net.
honestly, it's nothing important to me. I got my own faith (thanks to Mr. Walsch) and trying to keep the way straight.
Although, I like get to know other religions - cause I like to learn (think it's natural, but hate to learn is normal
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honestly, it's nothing important to me. I got my own faith (thanks to Mr. Walsch) and trying to keep the way straight.
Although, I like get to know other religions - cause I like to learn (think it's natural, but hate to learn is normal
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| You don't need a spell to get something you want.. if it is truly what you want and it does not harm anyone. All you need is to focus your energy and intent on the item you want.. and it happens. |
I doubt it can actually happen, even for small things since wanting something to happen is bound to damage someone in some way. And what happens to the energy I would put into focus if I would want to hurt someone. Surely it has to go somewhere.
A couple really informative websites are.. www.wicca.com.. www.everythingunderthemoon.com
A spell is just a way to focus energy. It gets your mind ready to focus. A spell puts you in the right mind frame to focus your energy. If you focus your energy to hurt someone.. the three fold law comes into place. Any energy you send out comes back to you times three. It's karma.. if you send out good energies.. like healing someone.. you will get good energy back times three. But if you send bad energies.. as in a curse.. you will also get it back times three.
It's hard to explain. Spells are just a way to make you believe with all of your heart that you will get what you want. If you have tried every mundane way to get something.. and it doesn't happen.. you do a spell and hopefully it will work. I know people say.. if you don't get what you want from working hard for it.. it wasn't meant to be. But what is meant to be? Do you believe that your life was already planned out for you before you were born? Or do WE control our own lives? I don't like the idea or destiny.. or fate. I believe that we control our lives.. we decide what happens and doesn't happen.
For example.. if my husband was diagnosed with a fatal desease.. and the doctors said there was nothing that they could do. That he was going to die... I'm going to try everything in my power to keep him from passing away. I would do a thousand healing spells on him.. and even if it didn't work.. I would know in my heart that I did everything I could for him..
A spell is just a way to focus energy. It gets your mind ready to focus. A spell puts you in the right mind frame to focus your energy. If you focus your energy to hurt someone.. the three fold law comes into place. Any energy you send out comes back to you times three. It's karma.. if you send out good energies.. like healing someone.. you will get good energy back times three. But if you send bad energies.. as in a curse.. you will also get it back times three.
It's hard to explain. Spells are just a way to make you believe with all of your heart that you will get what you want. If you have tried every mundane way to get something.. and it doesn't happen.. you do a spell and hopefully it will work. I know people say.. if you don't get what you want from working hard for it.. it wasn't meant to be. But what is meant to be? Do you believe that your life was already planned out for you before you were born? Or do WE control our own lives? I don't like the idea or destiny.. or fate. I believe that we control our lives.. we decide what happens and doesn't happen.
For example.. if my husband was diagnosed with a fatal desease.. and the doctors said there was nothing that they could do. That he was going to die... I'm going to try everything in my power to keep him from passing away. I would do a thousand healing spells on him.. and even if it didn't work.. I would know in my heart that I did everything I could for him..
oh.. I forgot to answer your question..
Wicca can be practiced by men or women.. It's mostly a feminine religion though. The goddess represents the moon.. the god represents the sun. I do know a few men that are Wicca.. But mostly.. it is just women.
Wicca can be practiced by men or women.. It's mostly a feminine religion though. The goddess represents the moon.. the god represents the sun. I do know a few men that are Wicca.. But mostly.. it is just women.
Such a complicated belief. The sites I viewed seem to have as goal pounding money out of the pocket of their visitors. Trying to sell all kinds of love potions and other things that supposedly should help me with spells of all kinds. If truly all the energy you send out comes back out you trifold, then how does it even effect my neutral mood and sarcastic humor? Everytime I make a sarcastic joke, I become three times as sarcastic. And if my mood is so neutral then three times neutrality comes back? That would mean I wouldn't be able to get mad or have joy as far as I understand from what I have read.
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| Nah, I don't practice Wiccan, I practice Roman Catholicism. |
No, you practice Modern Roman Catholicism, there are, sadly, things that religion has forgotten
so Pol'dreth Mar!
I have a curiosity about Wiccans and i always have, it interests me that the term could be used in so many forms, some use it to mean anyone who is not christian, others use it to define a specific religion, some call it a Pagan religion, other wiccans are angered by being called "Pagan" as though there is some fundimental difference between the two, personaly i believe there is, but i have not yet found it. Anyway on with the point, Wicca is the only religion i have seen explain the energy that does, in fact, flow in the world. However, i do not condone their practices of it, i do not desire to offend anyone as i know several.... people who call themselves wiccans.... who are already prepared to attack me the moment my guard is down.. and i accept that.. im fully aware my beliefs anger a lot of people.. Angered or not we still exsist, the Forgotten stand. I understand that some people that practice wicca give it a bad name, thats the same with any religion.. the only difference is the people that... rebell, are far more dangerous with what they know. Christianity has a complexe where they view all magic as "evil" which is kind of anoying since it stemmed from Judaism which.. has several books of magic..
In short practice whatever religion you want, just follow it and keep good faith, people with faith are top-notch in my book, i dont care what kind it is.. if your following it right.. i respect you
Wicca and Witchcraft are two completely different things. Witchcraft is paganism.. Wicca is an actual practice of beliefs. ALL Wiccans believe in karma, reincarnation, the God and the Goddess, Mother Nature, the three fold law.. paganism is just what it is. Pretty much the belief in nothing. Wiccans follow a set of rules where as pagans don't follow any set of rules. And if a Wiccan is about to attack you on religious issues.. then they're not really Wiccan. Because Wiccans accept everybody's religion and would never condone it.
It double posted and it wont let me delete, so here's a love spell that I wrote:
A beautiful blond girl
With piercing jade eyes
So stunning to behold
Becomes the Dragon's Pearl
His cherished treasured prize
A prefect rose of gold
Eros and Psyche swirl
Embracing as they rise
For gods know love so bold
And angels' wings unfurl
For love which never dies
Is never to grow old
An endless wounder to unfold
(I got more than I bargained for when I cast that spell, reality seemed to turn upside down as it was aired on classical music stations across the country.)
A beautiful blond girl
With piercing jade eyes
So stunning to behold
Becomes the Dragon's Pearl
His cherished treasured prize
A prefect rose of gold
Eros and Psyche swirl
Embracing as they rise
For gods know love so bold
And angels' wings unfurl
For love which never dies
Is never to grow old
An endless wounder to unfold
(I got more than I bargained for when I cast that spell, reality seemed to turn upside down as it was aired on classical music stations across the country.)
First let me say that I am not a Christian, I am a Taoist, so don’t take my pointed questions and assertions as coming from a Christian point of view.
Why are so many Wiccan women rotund? Speaking of energy, I’ve noticed that women’s energy affects their physical appearance much more than men. With men it is their health that is affected by their energy. This is why men age more gracefully in terms of physical appearance but die off much more quickly than women. So to the question, women’s spiritual practices are written all over them and for Wiccan women it would seem to be rotund energy.
Here is my speculation: Wicca pretends to be innocent nature worship, but it was actually started in the 40’s and has no real connection to Druidism. I don’t know who started it, but they were deceptive, tricking people into doing black magic, claiming that you’ve got have “balance” between the forces. Why do so many Wiccans overtly practice black magic? Even the majority that don’t will typically have black magic symbols, especially inverted pentagrams which are Satanic symbols in the Tarot. It also encourages atheism and denies that the universe is self-aware, disconnecting one from the Source.
My advice: white magic is *great* -- sorcery from the Source of life, but black magic always harms the caster, so stay away from Wicca. You can’t practice Wicca without practicing some black magic, that is the way the deceivers that started it set it up.
Why are so many Wiccan women rotund? Speaking of energy, I’ve noticed that women’s energy affects their physical appearance much more than men. With men it is their health that is affected by their energy. This is why men age more gracefully in terms of physical appearance but die off much more quickly than women. So to the question, women’s spiritual practices are written all over them and for Wiccan women it would seem to be rotund energy.
Here is my speculation: Wicca pretends to be innocent nature worship, but it was actually started in the 40’s and has no real connection to Druidism. I don’t know who started it, but they were deceptive, tricking people into doing black magic, claiming that you’ve got have “balance” between the forces. Why do so many Wiccans overtly practice black magic? Even the majority that don’t will typically have black magic symbols, especially inverted pentagrams which are Satanic symbols in the Tarot. It also encourages atheism and denies that the universe is self-aware, disconnecting one from the Source.
My advice: white magic is *great* -- sorcery from the Source of life, but black magic always harms the caster, so stay away from Wicca. You can’t practice Wicca without practicing some black magic, that is the way the deceivers that started it set it up.
True power does not flow well with english. Thats what i have found... when using languages such as italian and french and particularly latin, there seems to be an increased effect from the words, mainly latin since one of their words can explode into literal paragraphs of english as latin has about 10,000 words and english has over half a million. My personal favorite "casting" language, remains Old Tongue. Which.. is a langauge few men learn to speak.. either your born knowing it or youd dont its as simple as that. Though it is possible to learn... you would have to learn it from someone who knows the translations. I speak both.. but its an interesting situation since i never learned it from english.. in this way i know both at the same time, and yet i have increasing difficulty translating one to the other. :/ but anyway thats off topic. My point is if your going to "weave" a "spell" perhaps you should pick a language other than english.
the ones that hold most power are: Latin, Celtic, and Gaelic. My general point is, when the words hold more meaning... so does their purpose. However i highly discourage tinkering in such things. After all.. ignorance is bliss... on SOOO many levels...
the ones that hold most power are: Latin, Celtic, and Gaelic. My general point is, when the words hold more meaning... so does their purpose. However i highly discourage tinkering in such things. After all.. ignorance is bliss... on SOOO many levels...
i'm not wiccan..even though i practice witchcraft. i just don't adopt the doctrines as absolutes. you know.
i'm just not a fan of organized religion.
i'm just not a fan of organized religion.
there is nothing wrong with organized religion, its people that exploit the religions for power that cause problems.
Every Wiccan is different.. just because a person practices wicca.. that doesn't mean that they practice black magick. There are many out there that give wicca a bad name.. the number one law in Wicca is "if it harm none, do what ye will". Energies come back times three.. if you send out black energy.. or black magick.. it will come back to you three times worse than what you sent out. I never practice black magick.. there is no reason for it. I don't wish harm to anyone or anything. Love spells and such.. I don't respect them. A love spell intended for a specific person is messing with that person's free will. I don't agree with that either. I mean.. it's a different story if you are protecting yourself, but to just outright do harm to a person because of envy, jealousy.. whatever.. I think that's against the laws of nature and I do not respect such people.
"Harm of the innocent shall return to you three fold; ten fold if those of our order hear of it.... Be warned all who will, both the circle and the track are watching..." - Kahal
nuff said
nuff said
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| there is nothing wrong with organized religion, its people that exploit the religions for power that cause problems. |
yes, there's a lot wrong with organized religion. for me, religion is about that whole "follow your heart!" cheesy stuff. if my heart tells me to do something against my doctrines, yes, i'll do it. organized religion tells you what to do, and that's the opposite of everything i believe in. i know it's very cliche to claim "i don't like organized religion;" it seems to be everyone's excuse these days. however, it is my own "personal religion" to choose your own path, and to choose your own guides. if organized religion is what you've chosen, that's great and dandy for you. but for me it's not, and that's what makes it wrong.
(note: i take in that this is indeed my -opinion- and not forcing it as fact..or even persuading.)
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| Wicca and Witchcraft are two completely different things. Witchcraft is paganism.. Wicca is an actual practice of beliefs. ALL Wiccans believe in karma, reincarnation, the God and the Goddess, Mother Nature, the three fold law.. paganism is just what it is. Pretty much the belief in nothing. Wiccans follow a set of rules where as pagans don't follow any set of rules. And if a Wiccan is about to attack you on religious issues.. then they're not really Wiccan. Because Wiccans accept everybody's religion and would never condone it. |
Well..All wiccans do not believe in anything. You might be a wiccan, and not knowing weather reincarnatin is what you believe in...
Not all wiccans believe in the three fold law, nor karma. Wicca is an individual religion, mostly, and the people do know themself what they believe in.
It's not supposed to be generalized, it's a path of freedom.
And about the pagan-rule-stuff, I deply disagree. Aren't wiccans pagans too?
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yes, there's a lot wrong with organized religion. for me, religion is about that whole "follow your heart!" cheesy stuff. if my heart tells me to do something against my doctrines, yes, i'll do it. organized religion tells you what to do, and that's the opposite of everything i believe in. i know it's very cliche to claim "i don't like organized religion;" it seems to be everyone's excuse these days. however, it is my own "personal religion" to choose your own path, and to choose your own guides. if organized religion is what you've chosen, that's great and dandy for you. but for me it's not, and that's what makes it wrong. (note: i take in that this is indeed my -opinion- and not forcing it as fact..or even persuading.) |
Organized religion sets down things that are right and things that are wrong, even going by your hart can cause you to do something wrong. As reverse as this sounds from all the disney stuff, following your heart will not always lead you true. Remember that the human race is fundamentaly flawed, and therefore sometimes what we think is right, isn't. Then again, i supose whats right and whats wrong sometimes differs from person to person. However, even then your heart can lead you astray from what you may have thought to be the right thing at the time.
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the way you express that is the exact definition of an organized religion choosing -for- you. how you define "true" isn't how i define it. you say "true" as though it is the word for the righteous path. howere, organized religion chooses what the rigtheous path is by telling you what is moral and what isn't.whether you know it or not, religion has told you what is "right" and what is "wrong."
for instance, you have sex with a total stranger, get her pregnant, and you're cheating on your wife.
extreme. i know
but.
religion tells you that sex with other people is immoral because of "marriage" (another religious concept). again, making babies with other people than your "spouse" (another religious concept), is immoral because religons tell you too. and then cheating in some way or another, is mentioned in almost every history of religion telling you whether or not it's right or wrong.
before religion hopped into the world, everyone had sex all the time, with every one, and it was all lovely n' such.
and if you want to argue that's society's job, that's influnced by religion too
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| ALL Wiccans believe in karma, reincarnation, the God and the Goddess, Mother Nature, the three fold law.. paganism is just what it is. Pretty much the belief in nothing. Wiccans follow a set of rules where as pagans don't follow any set of rules. And if a Wiccan is about to attack you on religious issues.. then they're not really Wiccan. Because Wiccans accept everybody's religion and would never condone it. |
thats about as true as saying that the grass is blue. wicca is the least defineable religion that ever was. you yourself said that your grandmother never referred to herself as a wiccan, thats a title you tacked on yourself. this is true of MOST wiccans. There are no laws of wicca, there are no rules, it is a very free and self-expressive religion. It's true that the fundamentals behind wicca encourage tolerance and kindness to others, but so do the fundamentals of christianity, and the KKK are mostly christians. It is the people who twist religion into a reason to hate, not the religion itself.
Wicca is not a singe religion, there are many versions from paganism to atheism.
No, a since of right and wrong is a natural part of the humanity. People of all religions, even people who have no religion have ideas of what right and what is wrong. Organised religion negates morality be giving justifications for things like murder and indifference and intolerance.
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No, a since of right and wrong is a natural part of the humanity. People of all religions, even people who have no religion have ideas of what right and what is wrong. Organised religion negates morality be giving justifications for things like murder and indifference and intolerance.
Actually folks, I've heard that the British Traditions that have some connection to Gerald Gardner are starting to kick up a fuss over people that aren't a part of their traditions calling themselves Wiccan.
Thier thinking on this is that Gardner made up the name so if you can't trace your witchly liniage directly to Gardner then you ain't a Wiccan. Of course a lot of those same people will tell you that Wicca can be traced back to some obscure language or another meaning wise or some such too. Talk about having you cake.....
Since I'm Irish Trad and not Brit Trad I'm more then happy to let them have the word if they want it so bad. Of course after movies and shows like The Craft, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Charmed have all had their way with the word Wicca it's hardly worth using anymore except now when you say, "I'm a Wiccan," people tend not to say "Huh?" (yes, I've been in "the community" for quite a long time, even before it was cool and a household word).
Thier thinking on this is that Gardner made up the name so if you can't trace your witchly liniage directly to Gardner then you ain't a Wiccan. Of course a lot of those same people will tell you that Wicca can be traced back to some obscure language or another meaning wise or some such too. Talk about having you cake.....
Since I'm Irish Trad and not Brit Trad I'm more then happy to let them have the word if they want it so bad. Of course after movies and shows like The Craft, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Charmed have all had their way with the word Wicca it's hardly worth using anymore except now when you say, "I'm a Wiccan," people tend not to say "Huh?" (yes, I've been in "the community" for quite a long time, even before it was cool and a household word).
Im not wiccan but I do class myself as a pagan, I like to read about various old religions, the idea that wicca is mostly female is a bit odd and off balanced when most pagan religions are all about keeping balance, I believe in natural forces, and the power of will, and I do think gods and goddesses help to focus energy and mould it into specific characters, each can be helpful in their own way depending on the circumstance and ceremony in hand.
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I don't practice Wicca although I believe that it can be a very powerful thing but one of my friends do. There not completely wrapped into it and neither are they into the Dark Arts. What do you believe in ? Monotheistic, Duotheistic, Polytheistic or aAtheistic ?
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wiccan is a neopagan religious movement most commonly found in english speaking countries and is not quite monotheistic. Wiccan, much like christiantiy stems from paganism, although wicca apparently comes from an old witch cult which had originated from Christian Paganism in Europe. Wicca is also a fad religion, I daresay that it is not monothiestic, it is more akin to panthiesm or polythiesm. Panthiesm does not necessarily stipulate the belief in many gods, however it does state that the universe and what we are, it is all god. Sorry to dissapoint, but Wicca is a sham religion and magic does not exist. Magic is merely trickery, alchemy (now science) and mind over matter. Wicca is also supposedly limited to using only white magic (or good magic). From my experience 90% of kids I met that said they were wiccan were homely losers, that played too much DnD, dressed like goths, and bought candles at pottery barn which they used to cast "protection spells". Also, I believe these so called wiccans, frequent Hot Topic and cynically criticize anything which is different from their own "beliefs". Yeah it's cool beeing different, get over it. Wicca also stems from very old, and very incorrect pre-medieval ideas which refute modern science and philosophy. Other such wiccans are cute hippie chicks that dance nude for their ceremonies....So maybe...Wicca isn't so bad afterall.
I think you'll find the majority of wiccans except more of what science has to say than christians do, evolution, naaah, genetics, its evil lol but wicca is a fairly modern incarnation of paganism, it doesnt stem from any cult it was probably formulated in the 1920's, but the ideas within it are very old, and as such as stood the test of time. Not all goths are pagan, in fact the gothic movement was originally christian, why do you think they wear crosses ;o) though there are a lot of pagan goths, I know one myself and he's cool, nothing sad about him, listens to great music (cradle of filth, slipknot) and takes his faith seriously. If pagnism has come through the witch burnings and all the rest I doubt a snotty nosed thing like you is qualified to belittle it.
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the way you express that is the exact definition of an organized religion choosing -for- you. how you define "true" isn't how i define it. you say "true" as though it is the word for the righteous path. howere, organized religion chooses what the rigtheous path is by telling you what is moral and what isn't.whether you know it or not, religion has told you what is "right" and what is "wrong." for instance, you have sex with a total stranger, get her pregnant, and you're cheating on your wife. extreme. i know but. religion tells you that sex with other people is immoral because of "marriage" (another religious concept). again, making babies with other people than your "spouse" (another religious concept), is immoral because religons tell you too. and then cheating in some way or another, is mentioned in almost every history of religion telling you whether or not it's right or wrong. before religion hopped into the world, everyone had sex all the time, with every one, and it was all lovely n' such. and if you want to argue that's society's job, that's influnced by religion too |
Even if you sit down and for yourself define what is right and what is wrong, (which would be personal beliefs), your heart can still very easily lead you astray from what you have desided is right and wrong. The fact is you are depending on a thing of emotion to make your desisions. Emotion shifts, therefore as it does, so will what you think is right and wrong. As was also posted, all of mankind recognizes some things as right and wrong that are NOT part of religion. Religion is here to accent the most important part of human existance: Faith. I don't care who you are or what beliefs you have, no one can argue that faith is not the most important and saught after thing in our existance.
Also your point of "before religion", there was no "before" when humanity started they had their own beliefs too, it has been a part of human existance since its begining. FAITH! You can try to fight that all you want, you know full well the evidence in both religion and science is on my side. Faith has been here as long as we have.
On top of that, if there wasnt a fixed right and wrong, there could be no civilization, for without right and wrong of what use are laws? and without laws you are unable to have a structured civilization. You are more or less suggesting we all live like unorganized cave-men for the rest of our lives. With no reguard to human life or pain.
Furthermore, religions can be exploited for brainwashing, yes. However, that once again brings us back to my original point. The religions are fine, its the people that exploit them for selfish gains.
I have very high respect for wiccans and their firm grasp on the concept that faith is of the most important things in life.
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