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Ignorance of SatanismDCLXVI
If people accept Athiesm, then why not 'satanism'. Likely because people are ignorant of the religeon. 'Satanism' states to indulge yourself, not your 'lord'. If you only have one life, live it the best that you can and commit sins. Cheat, steal, lie, and rape, if thatz fun to you. that is my personal standpoint of the whole 'philosophy' thing... contrary to popular belief satanists dont worship lucifer or the devil... our beliefs are the same as his beliefs...
AftershockVibe
People accept atheism because it is not a religious belief system. If atheism is a religion then not collecting stamps is a hobby. The two are therefore not really comparable.
The blindingly obvious reason why it is not accepted is that people tend not to want to be cheated, lied to, stolen from or raped. We need a "Duh" emoticon. Naegi
Some people are just affraid of what they could learn in satanism. I saw many people around me saying to not get in this but they never give reasons why. Yeah, people just don't know what satanism is. It's like every other religions, when you don't know it you dont like it or are affraid of it.
Anyway, we need people to believe in something, it doesn't really matters it what. AftershockVibe
You know why they are afraid? Because according to the post above, you can justify anything if you enjoy it... including rape, murder and whatever else you may fancy.
Very few people will want to associate with someone who has no qualms about killing someone for the fun of it. Naegi
I agree with you, I wasn't considering this argument when I wrote my reply. For sure this kind of things are not recommandable from satanism. adiutrix
I didn't even know such a religion existed. When you kill someone, you know without any religion that you did something bad and the MAJORITY don't kill anyone for fun or not (or commit any other major). If you DO kill someone for fun, you are not a Satanist but someone who needs real serious help. In my opinion athiests and Satanisnts are pretty much the same
mschnell
I got a good chuckle out of this. I don't really know how trying to be "bad" could make someone feel good about himself. Soulfire
In my opinion, everyone who does not follow the Lord as disciples of Christ have problems and is ignorant, but I will spare you the preaching (for now...)
The problem with Satanism is that it does teach indulgence, which isn't always bad... but can be terrible. How many of you here would like to be raped, tortured, murdered, cheated, or lied to? My guess would be not many. People can't freely strut around doing as they please, it's unethical. I don't care where your "morals" come from, I think it's just a generally accepted thing that you don't kill other people, you don't lie to them, you don't cheat them, you don't rape them, and you don't torture them. Perhaps those "donts" should be replaced with "shouldn't" But it's your one life to screw up, and I'm afraid no matter how hard I try, I can't stop you. Sappho
Satanism as defined by Anton Szandor LaVey is not really a religion at all its more of a philosophy and very likely just a synonym for EGOISM couse it just says u should live like u want to and dont take anything else to account.
Bengt
very true idd; satanism doesnt has much moral, it seems to me kimrei
DCLXVI, what you're listing looks more like Hedonism than Satanism
Satanism doesn't allow unmetered infringment on other peoples territory (in terms of personal or physical property) AKA if someone offers themselves as a tool for for the fulfillment of your desires (by infringing on your territory or inviting you into theirs) Official Satanism is Hedonism without spoiling the fun for the rest of the world, here are some excerpts from the book written by the man who founded the Church of Satan (Satanism only became popular as a religeon in the last 50 years). Many Cults of Satan exist separate to the main religeon, these however often involve actual devil worship though some represent following carnal fulfillment as a philosophy but should then simply be referred to as Hedonism.
Ps. the above excerpt does not represent my personal beliefs nor do I feel that it needs to in anyway influence yours although I do believe that it shouldn't be dismissed as: A: LaVey list some good points which are major improvements on many religeous systems B: Ignorance sucks Vrythramax
If you count being uneducated on a particular subject as being ignorant, I am afraid that I fit that description. I don't know very much about Satanism, but from what I have heard it's not something I want to deal with. That is not to say that it isn't, or shouldn't be recognized as a vaiable religion or belief structure...we are all free to make our own choices after all and to deny Satanism as a choice would not be right. Many in my religion (I'm Catholic, so actually almost all of them), feel that it [Satanism] is evil and, it's followers are therefore evil. If you look at Catholism from a differing standpoint the same can, and most likely has, be said. Just because you don't believe in the same things as I do, or pray the same way as I do, doesn't automatically make you "evil". I think labeling people like that just because of thier beliefs is probably more evil than the actual practice of the [differing] religion.
It's just not my cup of tea....simple as that. sterngate
Don't enligh me. I don't want to read.
Don't lecture me. I don't want to listen. Don't force me. I have freedom of speech. Let see: "heaven is like a farmer, who throw 3 seeds in the field, one end up in the dry dirt and die. One landed near the root, so it can't get that much of water into it, one land it on a good soil and fertilized" Code of Ruin
First of all: an attitude like anyone who does not follow the Lord and disciples is ignorant, is a really stupid attitude. This is exactly what causes things like ruptures in religions. Not to mention the fact you are basically saying I have problems. I only have problems with this attitude. Second I agree with your approach to rape, torture etcetera. Life here on earth has amazing similarity to what God did to Lucifer. He was put in hell for not walking in line with God's values. Here we put people in prison for not walking in line with our values. Only we tend to pardon people and give them second chances. skank
first of all, it depends on how you see atheism. some see it as "no belief in god" and some people see it as "the belief in no god." therefore, it may or may not be a religion to some people. and about satanism, most people are uneducated on it. it's portrayed as, basically, worshipping evil. which it's not.
junodark
Is it just me or is Satanism, as described here, a religion for all those that need to be held by the hand?
First off, anyone who uses the name "Satan" in any form automatically shows an acceptance of the Christian bible, of God, of Jesus. Without this, they could not accept Satan as the antithesis of anything. Therefore they have automatically established themselves (pschologically, and physilogically) to be predetermined rebels, even if they do not actively speak against or of Christianity. This acceptance also shows a lack of originality or need to think, since they have chosen a set of circumstances created by other people. And then Satanism goes further to establish RULES to show people how to properly be rebellious. Does anyone else see the irony in this, rules to show how to rebel against Christianity, even though they accept it? I got a laugh out of the "Greatest friend" thing... it's conceited to think Satan is the reason for Christianity, and conversely vice versa. They coexist, codependantly. Anywhere, I'm losing my train of thought here... but anyone who proclaims to be a Satanist is either ignorant or unoriginal. But most people are anyway  Shewolf
To be honest; nothing frightens me more than satanism. To just do as you wish, beacuse you wish it, and you only live once etc. If everyone had just cared for them self, then the world would have been destroied ages ago.
Just beacuse someone don't thinh of the consicvenses, does not mean there is none... And when we talk about termology; the word deamon means inner voice, your own minds thinking so to say, and the word satanism is prpbably chosen with that in mind... kimrei
Calvinism is far scarier. The belief that everything is pre-determined and that therefore whatever one did they had no choice over as they would have done it anyway, aka the omnipotence of God guides everything so any action you take is a part of his great plan (Which please note: isn't entirely accepted by christians and is easy to argue against).
but anyway.there are often cases of a devout person doing all sorts of things in accordance with "God's will" as they wouldn't be able to do them if the case was otherwise. srdjan
I'm an atheist. That is, I'm an atheist in a way that a Christian believer would describe my beliefs...I was born into Christianity though, Orthodox, but my choice is not to practice it.
In my opinion Satanism is wrong, if it promotes the lifestyle of raping, killing, etc...and i guess it does?? or maybe i'm wrong...anyway it promotes 'sinful way', and against that we have laws in modern society. Sorry, but that's the fact! If you break the law, you will be put away, or sentenced in some other ways...I strongly belive that the majority of the modern laws are in place, since they try to prevent harm being done to other human beings, to protect our property, material and intelectual. Some laws are stupid of course, but that's just the way it is 
My belief is that we, humans, homo sapiens, are just a part of our Earth's energy, the most inteligent, naturally, since we are aware of our existence, and conscienelly making decisions. We could call our race the "brain" of the Earth's organism..I believe that everything is energy, energy keeps the atoms of our body together, and therefore we live. I belive that keeping the good energy balance on Earth is it's only way for survival of the Earth. Good energy balance comes from love, I strongly belive that...Spreading and sharing love amongst ourselves, and between ourselves and our enviroment. I don't want to go deep into this subject, but it is clear at this point that satanism does not work towards this goal. It does not spread love, it spreads hatred. It does not keep the healthy balance, but it destroys relations between living entities (whatever those are) And in the name of WHAT? In the name of some made up cause, impersonated in a character like Devil, Satan, or whatever you wanna call it... But don't worry Satanists! I could probably make an argument against the Christian church, and some of its actions, which were degrading to our world's society (I don't say there are actions like that now, because the church isn't very powerfull in the world of capitalism, we live in today) just my opinion..  Garnet
If I were to only read the first statement it would be pretty obvious why Satanism isn't accepted the same way atheits are. Satanism as described there encourages the worst behaviour. If were more common can you think of the impact it would have? Everyone would afraid all the time, and in effect we'd all become more violent. Lumping Atheism in with the Satanism you describe is ridiculous since being an atheist doesn't by any means encourage rape etc. Atheists have morals (often the same ones the Church has) they simply don't believe religion.
Sappho
Ok i already posted my opinion but yet i must add something once again since i see the last 2 posts.
Satanism doesnt encourage the worst, read the satanist bible and then speak again, it just gives the person absolute freedom for his decisions, that doesnt mean he/she has to rape, murder, steal... As i said satanism is simply a belief in yourself, there is no SATAN in satanism. It was called satanism just to point out its mainly against the Christianity and their beliefs in God not couse its belief based on worshipping some satan. As i must repeat myself once more here, i see satanism more as a philosophy or yet better an impersonation of egoism in its purest form. Satanism doesnt give u morals, but there is still a place to have your own. U know satanism is mostly popular among the teenagers couse it represents a form of rebelion its rarely to be found among mature ppl. kimrei
Personally I would support absolute Satanism if everyone lived in their own private box and only interacted with other people by choice, physical or non-physical (as we are doing now).
But the world's not like that and needs rules to help us mesh smoothly. LaVey's satanism is a good compromise. He talks about teaming up the sadists and masochists of the world to give them complementary pleasures mixing the rapist with person who fantasizes about rape and making life-like dolls for those who seek darker human relations. Twisted fantasy perhaps and a system which requires excessive admin (for those who enjoy administration of course). But one which might possibly work. Valleyman
I have heard a lot of silly stuff being thrown around here and would like to take the oppurtunity to correct it. Though I am not a Satanist myself I respect it as a legitimate philosophy, a way to live your life. If any of you had read the "Nine Satanic Statements" the "Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth" and the "Nine Satanic Sins" you would know that it in no way supports rape, sadism, or any of the other ludicrous things you have accused it of. All it does is give ultimate empowerment to the self. You should do what it is best for you and for those you love, without infringing on others rights. Besides which, even if it didn't include the "without infringing on others rights" clause it would still be much better than what you make it out to be since its main point is to do what is good for you. This is not rape, murder, etc. This is living within societies laws and within a normal moral structure (for the most part).
Garnet
My previous post wasn't intended to reflect my understanding of Satanism ( I already knew about it, and also read the other posts) but to answer the original question: why people accept Atheism and not Satanism. I tried to be clear that I was only talking about the version of Satanism that was described in the first post.
zplitstonez
The new member above is a fool, don't believe him/her, if he/she is still in his mind, he won't encourage you guys to murder, rape and even accept satanism....It is a sin to the LORD GOD if you give your life to satan. Don't get fooled by the new member above....Trust in the LORD JESUS CHRIST....
Don't worry guys, i'll take time to report it to the admin..... People like him should not be accepted here.... GOD BLESS YOU DCLXVI... i hope you know what you are talking about, IN JESUS NAME. Vrythramax
Forgive me, but I am going to play devils advocate here (no pun intended). Aren't we allowed to have a differing opinion in these forums without fear of being flamed for our own personal beliefs? Resorting to name calling, flaming, and just plain getting ticked off at anothers point of view just because it differs from your own is hardly a healthy Christian attitude. I am a dedicated Catholic/Christian and I have learned to love my fellow man (and woman) and accept them as fellow human beings no matter what thier particular beliefs are. Just because they don't think like me, or worship the same way I do, does not make either one of us more right or wrong. I don't understand what made you so angry in the first place zplitstonez, was it because this other member had a differant point of view, or that you didn't think you could pursuade him/her to your way of thinking? If you found that post, or this topic so offensive....why not just move on to another topic? It is attitudes like this that make many people believe that Christians are narrow minded, bigoted, and ignorant for thier beliefs. Granted some are, but not all of us are. kimrei
You didn't read this thread properly. Satanism has nothing to do with Satan. It's a philosophy and involves giving your life to no-one (God, Satan or anyone else) unless it makes you happy. Ps. Cool attitude Vrythramax, thanks. Rocky3478
Satanism in it's true form is just that. The worship of Lucifer, a.k.a. Satan. Not a good thing to be doing....
http://www.religioustolerance.org/satanism.htm Vrythramax
Granted, it's not my cup of tea either, but we are all free to worship whatever makes us feel the most comfortable...as long as we are not hurting anybody else where is the harm? I myself will not lose a bit of sleep if another person wants to worship God, Satan (or Lucifer, whichever floats your boat), Allah, or a volkswagon...it's thier choice and I don't have to like it or agree with it for it to be any less thier right. Religious freedom should be exactly that...the freedom to worship who, what or when you want without fear of reprisal from any quarter. Too many wars have been fought over this exact thing, when a good dose of acceptence would have saved countless lives over the course of history. kimrei
Read the thread. Most satanists are atheists. And hopefully no-one is stupid enough to actually worship satan as doing so implies a belief in god in which case why not just worship him. The few cultists who do the sacrifices do so as part of a tit-for-tat agreement instead of worship. Satanism as is being discussed is a philosophy not a religion. As is described in the opening post dogphilosopher
Atheism is the belief that there is no God. Satanism is the belief that there is a God but that there is also some evil entity called Satan. If an atheist were to believe in Satan then he or she would have to believe in God. By definition an atheist can not be a satanist because they believe in neither God nor Satan. In short, Satanists are theists. There is such a confused thread of thought on this subject that its almost pointless to even discuss it.
There was a time that we believed that the Pharaoh was a God. There was a time that we believed that Odin was a God. There was a time that we believed that Zeus was a God. There was a time that we made human sacrifices so that our crops would be more successfull. There was a time that we believed the sun revolved around the earth. There was a time we believed that bleeding people was a cure-all. Why does the ignorance continue? Why does a person have to be a Satanist or an atheist? Aren't there more practical issues to be addressed? People are starving in ditches in third world countries and it is important that you prove that Satan exists. Grow up. This isn't fantasyland and just because you have some elaborate story in your head doesn't mean its going to come true. I await the end of humankind's juvenile behaviours but I'm not holding my breath. This is just all about people trying to exert influence and power over other people and its a pathetic aspect of the human race. Satanists, theists and atheists, you can all go to hell. Sappho
Yes indeed, and u know whats even more confusing? That u didnt even read it couse if u actually did u would know that Satanists dont believe in Satan
But u r right its pointless to discuss, its a personal choice the same choice that gives me the freedom to dont give a damn about some starving children i dont know where. I am not a satanist nor i encourage it, i just dont care, its their choice. Cthulhuman
I've read the Satanic Bible and the rituals and from my understanding to sum satanism up in a single phrase all it is is a structured version of atheism. The main reason that they are different is that satanism often has that shock value when you say I'm satanist and they are like wtf? Then you can explain what it is to them and educate one more person. Another difference is that Satanism has a purpose, not only do you not believe in God, or the Devil for that matter, you work to better yourself and it's a religion of self empowerment.
Gieter
Wanted to say that too. It's not because you're an atheist, you can do whatever you want. The keyword here is 'ethics.' I think there are lots of atheist who are moral conscious. Atheists don't need a God to determine what is good or bad. That's what Kant said (he was religious, I know, but his rule, although not perfect, makes it possible for an atheist to conclude for himself what is wrong or right.) Epistis
lmao, that's a great one. I just found a new MSN Personal Message  Hello_World
adiutrix wrote:
Im my opinion then, Christians are the same thing as Hindus, and Buddhists are the same thing as sports fans. No wonder athiests get a bad name in the US if people think that! liljp617
"/ This thread is 5 years old.
spinout
an old question: when did this satanism develop? medevil?
loremar
You'd be surprised how some people here just bluntly calls atheist as satanists. But I think, Bikerman already took care of those. Hello_World
@loremar - yeah, bluedoll was arguing that athiesm was satanic, meaning that it helped Satan and was bad for God. But in this thread, they were actually talking about the 'religion' Satanism, even a fallicious version of such, (saying they Satanism encouages followers do all sorts of bad things), and then comparing it to athiests.
So silly. But there are probably heaps of instances I haven't seen, as you point out. Pure ignorance. Related topics
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