DO you think Bush visit to india will bring these cold war rivals together ?
usa and india never had such a good relationship before , but now usa knows how important india is in the future world , and it wants to be freinds with us .
what should we do ? do we trust them ? or should we stay away from a so called world bully ?
do u think india relations with USa will become like that of US-Eng ?
Where eng does whatever usa says ?
do u think the left parties are right by boycotting bus visit and planning protest against this visit ?
How important this visit will mean to the rest of the world ? cuz it is sure to impact a lot of countries ,what ever the outcome of this visit maybe
and it makes more intresting ,today india signed 9 agreements with France for nuclear engery and defense coperation ,
Bush is visiting India for benefit of USA. But it may be beneficial for India too. Having good relationship with more countries is always beneficial. We must not have be blind supporter of USA. History of USA is as a terrorist country. We cannot forget the history. It was USA, who has always supported Pakistan during Indo-Pak wars. Now Indo-Pak relationship is improving. When we can have good relationship with our traditional enemy country, Pakistan, then why not with USA.
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| Bush is visiting India for benefit of USA. But it may be beneficial for India too. Having good relationship with more countries is always beneficial. We must not have be blind supporter of USA. History of USA is as a terrorist country. We cannot forget the history. It was USA, who has always supported Pakistan during Indo-Pak wars. Now Indo-Pak relationship is improving. When we can have good relationship with our traditional enemy country, Pakistan, then why not with USA. |
i agree with u when u say that we should have good relations with as many countries possible ,
but i dont agree that usa is responsible for pak ,
it was China who armed Pakistan with nuke not usa , usa only gave funds so that pakistan improve thier education system , and not every 5 year old boy who comes out of the madrasa shouts anti usa slogans .well i think India should have good relations with usa
points that support that
1) we can be powerful by having good relations with usa.
2) it will boost economoy and create more employment opp.
3) can also effect India quest for permanent security council seat.
4) can also arm us with civilian nuclear power and can help us to be self sufficient in energy matters.
5) can also help us to reduce china dominance over the region.
and etc.
while the reasons whay India should not trust usa are
1) usa is a very selfish country.
2) usa helped pakistan to get nuclear power from china. no one can do without the permission of uncle sam.
3) we do not enjoy very warm relations with usa in the past, they always opposed us on almost all the fronts like nucleaer energy use, helping our enemy state and providing them weapons, not supporting us on permanent sc membership etc.
4) usa is helping india for its own interests.
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it was China who armed Pakistan with nuke not usa , usa only gave funds so that pakistan improve thier education system , and not every 5 year old boy who comes out of the madrasa shouts anti usa slogans . |
it is impossible to believe that china can do that without the permission of usa. usa wanted pakistan to get nuclear weapons as they want a force against India.
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| do u think india relations with USa will become like that of US-Eng ? |
it is next to impossible. If the world's idea of a bully is a person who is trying to end terrorism and the senseless murder of thousands, that is an indicator of what a poor state our world is in.
India and the USA could work together for mutual benefits. I believe the visit is a good thing, and both countries should be looking forward to it. I don't think you can ever go wrong by mending relationships and forging new ones with as many countries as possible, just don't keep them secret (that led to WWI).
lets not forget that Usa and india are in the same boat ,
both are victims of terrorists ,
both are democracy , india being the largest , usa being the best .
if usa and india cna get together ,it will be good for bussiness for both of them , since india is a very big market , and holds a record middle class people living in the country , usa being a technology Hub can provide indian students a better Opp to learn and compete with the rest of the world ,
it is a win win for both the countries ,
but there are many who oppose this ,
The Top 5 countries who oppose india having good relations with the USa are
U will be surprised
1:CAnada
2: Pakistan
3: Italy
4:China
5:Iran
the top 5 countries that are in support of this deal
1: France
2:germany
3:Japan
4:England
5:BRazil
Russia being neutral
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lets not forget that Usa and india are in the same boat ,
both are victims of terrorists ,
both are democracy , india being the largest , usa being the best .
if usa and india cna get together ,it will be good for bussiness for both of them , since india is a very big market , and holds a record middle class people living in the country , usa being a technology Hub can provide indian students a better Opp to learn and compete with the rest of the world ,
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Have you just proven ignorance and arrogance AGAIN... Seriously let me point out some small factors for your benifit and all who agree with you..
"both are democracy , india being the largest , usa being the best"
WTF Mate? What criteria are you using to judge that USA is "the best" democracy in the world? I beg to dffer it has a huge crime rate, little gun control and does not have the prettiest history, nor does it have a pretty present. I will not pass judgement on which country I believe does have the best democracy but plenty spring to mind that are better than USA Using citeria I have in my head. But then again criteria is what matters.
usa being a technology Hub can provide indian students a better Opp to learn and compete with the rest of the world
Again criteria? USA is by far behind other countries in the worl on some technological advancements, it merely has some additional finanaces it can throw around to implement some of the better developments. Despite this I dont think that the teaching facilities are guided very much by the money the government throws at the space program amongst other things.
To conclude this rant, open your eyes and see past your own butt.The visit probably will strengthen ties between the two countries. Which is good because in most cases strong ties are nicer than weak ones. Maybe they will sort the whole outsourcing debate and both countries will win out!
However, after that I think its off to Pakistan. Now, that might be bit a of a sour pickle for george because apparently many of the Pakis - as dubya once called them in a classic bushism - are too excited about the arrival of the leader of the free world. But hopefully by the time he gets there things will have calmed down.
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lets not forget that Usa and india are in the same boat ,
both are victims of terrorists ,
both are democracy , india being the largest , usa being the best .
if usa and india cna get together ,it will be good for bussiness for both of them , since india is a very big market , and holds a record middle class people living in the country , usa being a technology Hub can provide indian students a better Opp to learn and compete with the rest of the world ,
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Have you just proven ignorance and arrogance AGAIN... Seriously let me point out some small factors for your benifit and all who agree with you..
"both are democracy , india being the largest , usa being the best"
WTF Mate? What criteria are you using to judge that USA is "the best" democracy in the world? I beg to dffer it has a huge crime rate, little gun control and does not have the prettiest history, nor does it have a pretty present. I will not pass judgement on which country I believe does have the best democracy but plenty spring to mind that are better than USA Using citeria I have in my head. But then again criteria is what matters. |
First off there is no other country in the world more open then the united states of america , every country has its problems, but u have to look at the system they use , just think of it this way , are more people Trying to go out of america or more and more people trying to get into america ?
that should answer ur history comment and the present one too ,
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usa being a technology Hub can provide indian students a better Opp to learn and compete with the rest of the world
Again criteria? USA is by far behind other countries in the worl on some technological advancements, it merely has some additional finanaces it can throw around to implement some of the better developments. Despite this I dont think that the teaching facilities are guided very much by the money the government throws at the space program amongst other things.
To conclude this rant, open your eyes and see past your own butt. |
alright if u really think that usa sucks in eduction , then why is that usa is the world no 1 country hosting foreing Students ?
why more and more students go to the usa for further studies ?
i think u need a Chill Pill , and stop being jealous of the usa 
| Devil wrote: |
the top 5 countries that are in support of this deal
1: France
2:germany
3:Japan
4:England
5:BRazil |
It's not all England. It's the UK. That comprises of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
Sorry... I'm nitpicking.
I don't think you should look at a visit by George Bush as suspicious necessarily. As you've said, India signed agreements with France recently, but you're not as suspicious of them. Why not?
I think one of his major aims will be to open trade and communication in what he sees to be a developing market (ie. he thinks his country can make money from India directly, or can make money out of a co-operative venture). It's unlikely that anyone is going to want to invest heavily in a volatile environment, so if there is "peace-keeping" going on, it's in India's interest and that of the US.
However, I disagree with comments you made about the "US-Eng" relationship. I'm assuming you meant the "US-UK" relationship. While I think the UK Government has been keen to become closer to the US (for reasons only known to themselves, but it could be for reasons of trade and defence) but the UK does not do what the US says.
Increasingly, since the war in Iraq, public opinion in the UK has been against direct military co-operation with the US, so there have been several actions not agreed upon because of public opinion. Believe it or not, the system of Government in the UK is very democratic, so if the majority of people are against a motion, it won't happen. In the US, the President is elected, but he then appears to do what he thinks is best without much regard for public opinion - since I don't live in the US, I can't say that this is actually what happens, and there may be political processes I'm unaware of. I therefore can't say something like "the US does whatever India tells them" | Code: |
| Bush is visiting India for benefit of USA. But it may be beneficial for India too. Having good relationship with more countries is always beneficial. We must not have be blind supporter of USA. History of USA is as a terrorist country. We cannot forget the history. It was USA, who has always supported Pakistan during Indo-Pak wars. Now Indo-Pak relationship is improving. When we can have good relationship with our traditional enemy country, Pakistan, then why not with USA. |
Bush certainly has one objective in coming to india this summer.
To nail the dear naive pm of india and force him into as many nuclear deals as possible so as to ensure safety for US from Indian Nuclear Projects.
Indians are getting better and are almost shoulder to shoulder with the other nuclear giants.
Obviously bush and US does not like this and they want Indians to be under his thumb.
So he ll obviously threaten to impose sanctions on india if manmohan singh refuses to agree.
But of course he is so not-fit-to-be-a-pm, so it will once again be left to the LEFT parties to raise the alarm.
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| I don't think you can ever go wrong by mending relationships and forging new ones with as many countries as possible, just don't keep them secret (that led to WWI). |
Please elaborate...
Are you talking about balance of power?[/quote]i will not agree with anyone who says that these deals only benefit the usa , and bush is only trying to trap india in some kind of a sick plan ,
if usa and india get together , they can do many things , like fight terrorisms , trade ,space research and much more ,
both usa and india will profit from good relations , u cannot clap with one hand , bush may just do for india ,what nixon did for china ,
lets just keep our fingures crossed and hope that everything goes well , and i also want to add that india is the biggest weapon buyer in the world , so usa also has a market there , already india has made some good deals with boeing ,
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India, US begin talks on nuclear issue
NEW DELHI: In the last ditch effort to conclude the nuclear deal just days before President George W Bush's visit, Foreign Secretary Shyam Saran met US Under Secretary of State Nicholas Burns on Thursday to fine tune the implementation of the agreement.
They began their third round of talks here to iron out differences on the deal on which the US says 90 per cent of negotiations have been completed.
The two sides had encountered "difficulties" over the issue of separation, with the US insisting that India put more reactors than it was ready to in the civilian side. These included the home-grown fast breeder reactors (FBRs), a move opposed by New Delhi.
The two sides are now understood to have expressed readiness to show flexibility on their respective positions.
India, on its part, is believed to have agreed to put at least half of 22 nuclear reactors in the civilian side while the US is understood to have accepted to leave FBRs out of the loop for next seven years.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1425221.cms
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| why more and more students go to the usa for further studies ? |
studying in usa is one of the first steps to settle in usa. they just study there to get green card and settle there.[quote="Devil"] | Rhysige wrote: |
| Devil wrote: | lets not forget that Usa and india are in the same boat ,
both are victims of terrorists ,
both are democracy , india being the largest , usa being the best .
if usa and india cna get together ,it will be good for bussiness for both of them , since india is a very big market , and holds a record middle class people living in the country , usa being a technology Hub can provide indian students a better Opp to learn and compete with the rest of the world ,
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Have you just proven ignorance and arrogance AGAIN... Seriously let me point out some small factors for your benifit and all who agree with you..
"both are democracy , india being the largest , usa being the best"
WTF Mate? What criteria are you using to judge that USA is "the best" democracy in the world? I beg to dffer it has a huge crime rate, little gun control and does not have the prettiest history, nor does it have a pretty present. I will not pass judgement on which country I believe does have the best democracy but plenty spring to mind that are better than USA Using citeria I have in my head. But then again criteria is what matters. |
First off there is no other country in the world more open then the united states of america , every country has its problems, but u have to look at the system they use , just think of it this way , are more people Trying to go out of america or more and more people trying to get into america ?
that should answer ur history comment and the present one too ,
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usa being a technology Hub can provide indian students a better Opp to learn and compete with the rest of the world
Again criteria? USA is by far behind other countries in the worl on some technological advancements, it merely has some additional finanaces it can throw around to implement some of the better developments. Despite this I dont think that the teaching facilities are guided very much by the money the government throws at the space program amongst other things.
To conclude this rant, open your eyes and see past your own butt. |
alright if u really think that usa sucks in eduction , then why is that usa is the world no 1 country hosting foreing Students ?
why more and more students go to the usa for further studies ?
i think u need a Chill Pill , and stop being jealous of the usa |
i also think so 
