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New gadget repels teenagers





saiko
A new gadget repels gangs of teenagers by emitting a high-pitched noise that can be heard only by under 20s.

Police are backing the Sonic Teenager Deterrent, nicknamed the Mosquito because of its sound, reports the Daily Telegraph.

It annoys teenagers so intensely they have to clutch their ears. Eventually they can stand it no longer and have to move on.

full news here:
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1726378.html
jaysen
I'd be more interested in one that can repel people over the age of 65..... but considering most of them can't hear squat anymore, that may be difficult.
Jack_Hammer
Sounds like a great idea...

*youths...*
SunburnedCactus
jaysen wrote:
I'd be more interested in one that can repel people over the age of 65..... but considering most of them can't hear squat anymore, that may be difficult.


Isn't that just a teenager?
jaysen
Do yo mean am i a teenager? um... no, actually im 33

I live in a town full of old people that can't seem to understand that just because they are waiting to die doesn't mean everyone else is..... its almost a guarantee that if you are in a hurry, you will end up stuck behind some old fart that will travel at no greater than 15 mph on the road, store isles are clogged with walkers and the stale aroma of depends undergarmants and ben gay.... and heaven help you if you need to go to the bank in a hurry to get something done- theres usually a small line at the atm, while they have to stand there and try to focus on the screen for 12 minutes before even touching any buttons... if you go through the teller lines, thers a huge line, where each one has to talk to the teller for 20 minutes to see how thier kids niegbors second cousin's aunt is doing.....

i guess part of it is i come from a larger, faster paced city, and don't have the patience to want to take a few hours to get something simple done... but over the years i've been impeded by old people, cut off repeatedly trying to drive anywhere by some old fart that seems to think he's too old to have to look for other traffic.... etc
SunburnedCactus
Hah, yeah I know what you mean!

No, I was saying that a teenager is a device that can repel people over 65, especially when arranged into small groups.
carriage_return
I think that, at best, I can say that this news comes to me in a mixture of surprise, shock, some sort of fear inducing chill and that sensation you get right before you start cracking up laughing.

The surprise part is obvious, and it's always refreshing how people always find in their creativity, and in that wonderful feeling that can take you from art to invention to mass murder, called "being fed up with" ways to surprise themselves and others. Of course I think this is one of the most useless things I've seen this month (at the very least), I'm sure it won't take long for people to discover its many uses. And then I'll have to start dealing with horrible noises from a fiendish device like this one (and for the record I'm 21).

The shock and fear almost come together. You see, teenager denotes a group of people that can be defined not only in what you could call "neutral scientific terms" (I wish I could put more quotation marks since saying that there are neutral terms is like saying that I'll be getting rich,famous and gay anytime soon) -i.e. age-, but also can be defined with a loose sense of identity and conciousness. You could talk about the teenagers and what they represent, what they think, what they are. All group defining activities. Next thing I know, they'll be putting out a pervert repelling machine and then what the heck will I do????

And for the laughing part ... well it's just funny, all those teenagers being driven away like mosquitos. Come on, at least it should make you giggle.

carriage_return
Vrythramax
It only effects those under 20? What if your 21 or 22, would it have the same effect?

What about those who are young at heart Wink
izcool
I take that article/invention as an insult as it's just one more thing to drive us crazy (I can speak that way as I'm 16 years old right now). You have the old farts (which have already been mentioned) who say how loud we are, our parents who drive us crazy with chores to do (even though we DO work to earn money), and the cops for pulling us over because we went only a couple of miles above the speed limit. They should have something that targets each audience, to disperse a crowd of any age (not just one group) for if a fight comes along over older men who are above that group. Of course, you might have a few problems for the old geezers who lost their vision and hearing (though they deny they need glasses or hearing aids) and say how good the past was and how they used to be. How would you handle that ?

For now, it looks like I'm safe from that as I can sorta guestimate that the article/invention is from England, and I'm all the way over here in the US of A.

- Mike.
gonzo
great... when will they release one to repel the elderly who are societal leeches?
shut up
jaysen wrote:
I'd be more interested in one that can repel people over the age of 65..... but considering most of them can't hear squat anymore, that may be difficult.
You would need a semi truck with dual straight pipes and 12 megaphones to annoy people of those ages

normal exhaust.

straightpipe exhaust (notice, lack of muffler).
WTF is some damn noise maker gonna do anyhow? I go to the store after work an I cant hear shit, I'm 19 but i can't hear shit after being next to a yelling 24/7 boss and a loud truck w/ music.
[FuN]goku
:/ thb i dont think there is something like that. That would mean everyone gets deafer at 20 years old
Deji
thats pretty funny, got to admit im 19 and id love to play around with seomthing like that.

maybe drive anyone under 16 away?

>>
coolclay
I think it is a joke there is no way that sound can be age selective. Most of us can hear sounds within the same range, it doesn't matter how old you are.
greenjm90
This seems to be against human rights.

A teenager has as must right to be in a public place as anyone else.

it is also predujice as it assumes that all teenagers are a problem, which they are not
Alein_Atryda_III
Yeah, let's say it WAS real, that thingie. Teenagers are already having hard time, it's not because I'm a teenager as I will soon be over 20:p I know many younger people and they have enough problems even without some sounds. And imagine their life if some old granny used it to repel young people because they would have TOO LONG hair or something, scary:x
root
shut up
Look even with your little sound thing it will probably be spotted and destroyed, so why bother even wasting your time, besides you will lose buisiness because you will drive people nuts.
Nameless
I call agism. Prepare to be lawyered. *picks up cell phone in a dramatic way*.
hades9366
There's nothing more annoying when you're going shopping than bloody obnoxious teenagers hanging around outside with nothing to do and old people slowing up the flow of traffic inside with pointless myopic questions and arthritic fumblings. Why stop with just deterrant devices? Let's criminalise the entire age group. I'm envisioning 4:00pm curfews and giving the police the right to shoot curfew-breakers on sight like looters.

Teenagers and old people have no ready access to spaces within which they can freely socialise. For teenagers interactions at school or at home are always regulated by an older authority figure. Most old people lose their social arena when they retire. With a absence of real public spaces in capitalist society shopping malls have become the town square/town hall a public theatre where old and young people go to take part in social performances. The walled garden of medieval Europe. The town square of the ancient world. The problem with the use of malls as public space arises because these places aren't really free, they're paid for by businesses to attract paying customers which teenagers and old people often aren't.

I can't call myself a teenager anymore but I still remember the undefined resentment towards anyone over 25 when I was one. I don't have any answers but now that I'm not a teenager anymore I am obliged to start complaining about them. Everyone finds old people annoying until they become one.
EVILSKAAP
Mmm, this sonic generator has bee around for about 30 years, if not more. Its just a new application for old technology! If only teens can hear it, it should emit sound in the higher audible region, not in the utrasonic range. Previous uses were animal scarers or repellers(mosquitos). Search google for ultra sonic generator plans to get your own kit/plans for it!
byt
I thought it was dogs that were affected by high pitched noise, but if it works as good as described maybe it should be given to teachers, that way they might have a way of controlling unruly kids that they are no longer allowed to whack on the knuckles with a ruler Cool Cool
btheday
byt wrote:
I thought it was dogs that were affected by high pitched noise, but if it works as good as described maybe it should be given to teachers, that way they might have a way of controlling unruly kids that they are no longer allowed to whack on the knuckles with a ruler Cool Cool


yes, it would actually make , for example, a German Shepherd Dog 1 mile away howl.



Not only do I own a GSD, but I want to open a Dog Sanctuary and help teach people about dogs and why some do get aggressive behavior and others don't. I'm also studying to be a Dog Behaviorist.
lisa33144
Hm that's interesting, would it just affect people with "young" ears I'm assuming? But I guess it could work on an older person with very good ears.

In my engineering class they did a similar thing where the professor played a tone with a very high frequency and only a few people could hear it. He kept decreasing he frequency and eventually most of us students could hear it but the professor couldn't becacuse he was middle aged.
Soulfire
And the point to this would be?
justjoey
All teenagers are getting a bad rep by the youths, "hoodies" "chavs" around the place. These people really do not take the majority.. There are the "skaters" "emos" and "intellectuals" who don't cause a nuisance to anybody. Using such devices may deter what needs to be deterred, but what about the innocent

Also, these high tech gizmos are undoubtedly expensive. With such high expenses put towards youths, which can be easily damaged by these youths, what money has been put on genuinely improving the NHS and other services for the rest of the country?
btheday
Yeah, but when it comes to the Nature part of this situation, would animals be considered innocent also?
aerialdreams
how would this gadget work?? I mean, everyone has different abilities in their hearing, no matter what the age is. If someone has been around loud noises all their lives then their hearing would be worse, so even if they are under 20 they wouldn't be able to hear it, right??? And how come 20? How can they even tell who is 20 and who is not?? It doesn't really make much sense to me.
btheday
lets just say: I would have hated to be the giunea pig. lol Laughing
Liu
justjoey wrote:
All teenagers are getting a bad rep by the youths, "hoodies" "chavs" around the place. These people really do not take the majority.. There are the "skaters" "emos" and "intellectuals" who don't cause a nuisance to anybody. Using such devices may deter what needs to be deterred, but what about the innocent

Adding an on and off switch isn't that hard. Turn on when annoying loitering kids are present.

Quote:

Also, these high tech gizmos are undoubtedly expensive. With such high expenses put towards youths, which can be easily damaged by these youths, what money has been put on genuinely improving the NHS and other services for the rest of the country?

It's not that high tech to emit a soundwave.
EVILSKAAP
I got myself a kit! It says "Pocket painfield generator". You can also get yourself the plans on the net. I also found plans for a " sonic nausia generator". Both do the same. The sonic waves are "more perceptive in young adults and children, and esp. in animals (dogs, horses, ect). I just hope it works! You can have alot of fun with this baby at a school function! NJOY! MWAHAHA!
Scott
I can't believe this box is so expensive, I could build a simple osciallator and amplifier for 20-30 bucks.
OutlawSpirit
****** the police Laughing

always targetin the youth of today... Confused
hades9366
Here's a follow up to this story A ring tone that adults are supposed to be unable to hear. I would just post a link to this article but it has been archived so unless you register you can't view it:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/12/technology/12ring.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

So sorry for the long quote.
Quote:
A Ring Tone Meant to Fall on Deaf Ears

By PAUL VITELLO
Published: June 12, 2006
In that old battle of the wills between young people and their keepers, the young have found a new weapon that could change the balance of power on the cellphone front: a ring tone that many adults cannot hear. In settings where cellphone use is forbidden in class, for example it is perfect for signaling the arrival of a text message without being detected by an elder of the species.
"When I heard about it I didn't believe it at first," said Donna Lewis, a technology teacher at the Trinity School in Manhattan. "But one of the kids gave me a copy, and I sent it to a colleague. She played it for her first graders. All of them could hear it, and neither she nor I could."
The technology, which relies on the fact that most adults gradually lose the ability to hear high-pitched sounds, was developed in Britain but has only recently spread to America by Internet, of course.
Recently, in classes at Trinity and elsewhere, some students have begun testing the boundaries of their new technology. One place was Michelle Musorofiti's freshman honors math class at Roslyn High School on Long Island.
At Roslyn, as at most schools, cellphones must be turned off during class. But one morning last week, a high-pitched ring tone went off that set teeth on edge for anyone who could hear it. To the students' surprise, that group included their teacher.
"Whose cellphone is that?" Miss Musorofiti demanded, demonstrating that at 28, her ears had not lost their sensitivity to strangely annoying, high-pitched, though virtually inaudible tones.
"You can hear that?" one of them asked.
"Adults are not supposed to be able to hear that," said another, according to the teacher's account.
She had indeed heard that, Miss Musorofiti said, adding, "Now turn it off."
The cellphone ring tone that she heard was the offshoot of an invention called the Mosquito, developed last year by a Welsh security company to annoy teenagers and gratify adults, not the other way around.
It was marketed as an ultrasonic teenager repellent, an ear-splitting 17-kilohertz buzzer designed to help shopkeepers disperse young people loitering in front of their stores while leaving adults unaffected.
The principle behind it is a biological reality that hearing experts refer to as presbycusis, or aging ear. While Miss Musorofiti is not likely to have it, most adults over 40 or 50 seem to have some symptoms, scientists say.
While most human communication takes place in a frequency range between 200 and 8,000 hertz (a hertz being the scientific unit of frequency equal to one cycle per second), most adults' ability to hear frequencies higher than that begins to deteriorate in early middle age.
"It's the most common sensory abnormality in the world," said Dr. Rick A. Friedman, an ear surgeon and research scientist at the House Ear Institute in Los Angeles.
But in a bit of techno-jujitsu, someone a person unknown at this time, but probably not someone with presbycusis realized that the Mosquito, which uses this common adult abnormality to adults' advantage, could be turned against them.
The Mosquito noise was reinvented as a ring tone.
"Our high-frequency buzzer was copied. It is not exactly what we developed, but it's a pretty good imitation," said Simon Morris, marketing director for Compound Security, the company behind the Mosquito. "You've got to give the kids credit for ingenuity."
British newspapers described the first use of the high-frequency ring tone last month in some schools in Wales, where Compound Security's Mosquito device was introduced as a "yob-buster," a reference to the hooligans it was meant to disperse.
Since then, Mr. Morris said his company has received so much attention none of it profit-making because the ring tone was in effect pirated that he and his partner, Howard Stapleton, the inventor, decided to start selling a ring tone of their own. It is called Mosquitotone, and it is now advertised as "the authentic Mosquito ring tone."
David Herzka, a Roslyn High School freshman, said he researched the British phenomenon a few weeks ago on the Web, and managed to upload a version of the high-pitched sound into his cellphone.
He transferred the ring tone to the cellphones of two of his friends at a birthday party on June 3. Two days later, he said, about five students at school were using it, and by Tuesday the number was a couple of dozen.
"I just made it for my friends. I don't use a cellphone during class at school," he said.
How, David was asked, did he think this new device would alter the balance of power between adults and teenagers? Or did he suppose it was a passing fad?
"Well, probably it is," said David, who added after a moment's thought, "And if not, I guess the school will just have to hire a lot of young teachers."
Kate Hammer and Nate Schweber contributed reporting for this article.
Published in the NY times.
nox-Hand
*hears noise*


YAAAARGH!!!


*runs*

I tried some test once, that showed how high you could hear.. my cats went nuts Razz
jongoldsz
That isn't a new gadget. And now it doesn't even work. Some teenagers turned it into a ringtone, so they can get calls in school without teachers knowing. If you want the ringtone, google the term "teenbuzz".
rhathar
You think an annoying sound is going to work against teenagers? This is the same age-group that, a few years BEFORE that was sucking on ultra-sour candies like Warheads, that no sane adult would put anywhere NEAR their tongue.

EDIT: Dear lord, forget the annoying sound - now they're using Barry Manilow! http://arts.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1791155,00.html
Davidgr1200
I don't think you need a special gadget, a radio playing opera at high volume should be sufficient. It would certainly scare me away!
kazikame
Apparently teenagers have been using this to their adantage by setting it as a ringtone, meaning they can have their phones on in school and not get in trouble.
kd5nrh
Gee, and all this time I've just been using Mel Torme MP3s.
otiscom
I've got three frquecies on my mobile phone and found 10kHz is the best for irritating young people that ARE irritating!

11.5kHz for dogs and cats.

Can't use anything higher, the phone won't cope.
Code of Ruin
This is just another invention by another guy with to much time on his hands. Not every teenager goes bananas from the sound and not all teenagers can hear the sound. So against some groups it's just plain useless. Some other problem with these boxes is they tend annoy some teenagers so much that they simply rip the box apart. As for Barry Manilow, I can't imagine anything worse.
meet in rio
My grandparents have a high-pitched 'cat scarer' which drives my brother and me absolutely insane.

I don't see how they're going to prevent the boxes from being vandalised.
mtoni
heh would be funny to see (hear) that...

how about animals ?
chrismen
This thing prob causes some kind of ear damage. I can only imagine. Even to those of us over 20.
David_Pardy
I'm 22 and I can hear up to 17khz which is slightly higher than the 'Mosquito' frequency (I think it's 16khz).

I do believe it's an invasion of human rights.

Let's just give the police the right to use their batons to chase unruly people of ALL ages away. Society is screwed up because the government is too afraid to punish the guilty and takes it out on the victims and the police instead.
kd5nrh
David_Pardy wrote:
Society is screwed up because the government is too afraid to punish the guilty and takes it out on the victims and the police instead.


Close; society is screwed up because we're supposed to reform the guilty rather than punishing them. They knew they were doing something wrong, so punish them harshly enough that fear of getting punished will stop them doing what decency wouldn't.
Navan91
LOL, that ringtone is wicked! Twisted Evil
RoughitforGreen247
Quote:
Police are backing the Sonic Teenager Deterrent, nicknamed the Mosquito because of its sound, reports the Daily Telegraph.


Is it somebody's idea of a sick joke to name the thing "STD"?
kd5nrh
RoughitforGreen247 wrote:
Quote:
Police are backing the Sonic Teenager Deterrent, nicknamed the Mosquito because of its sound, reports the Daily Telegraph.


Is it somebody's idea of a sick joke to name the thing "STD"?


It's probably just about as effective at deterring teens from what they want Shocked
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