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British troops abusing Iraqi Prisoners





manumiglani
Quote:
London, Feb. 12. (PTI): Yet another video footage purportedly showing abuse of Iraqi prisoners by British soldiers has come to light, triggering a fresh controversy over the conduct of western troops in the war-ravaged country.

Hours after the news of the footage was published in The News of the World, the Ministry of Defence ordered a probe into the images which appeared to show UK soldiers brutally beating a group of Iraqi teenagers.

The newspaper says the video was shot in southern Iraq in 2004.


On the tape, described as a "secret home video", an unidentified cameraman is heard laughing and urging his colleagues on. It was apparently filmed for fun by a corporal.

The Ministry of Defence said it was aware of the allegations, which are being probed by the Royal Military Police.

Source: http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200602122101.htm

beating weak IRAQI teenagers in prisons by UK armymen. Does it makes them feel like a he-man ? I am sure UK soilders can't make the excuse that these prisoners were carrying weapons of mass destruction.
Animal
If somebody threw a home-made pipe bomb at me, I'd probably hit them a few times too.
manumiglani
Animal wrote:
If somebody threw a home-made pipe bomb at me, I'd probably hit them a few times too.


so these prisoners threw bombs at the british army inside the prison ?
Soulfire
But again, you can't always believe the things you read on the net. The news article also says it appears to have occured back in 2004. "Purportedly" is also a keyword, they are unsure. And again they said "the abuse, if true, is 'unacceptable.'"
manumiglani
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Nameless
The topic should probably be called:

British troops allegedly abused Iraqi Prisoners

Yay for political and gramatical correctness.
Animal
manumiglani wrote:
This shows that they were doing this for fun. nothing else. just fun


I seriously doubt anyone would simply run after a random bunch of teenagers and violently attack them for no reason. Ok, I agree that they should have been more professional about it and taken them into custody, but it was widely reported that the youths threw a battery powered, home-made explosive into the military compund at the soldiers.

I don't think anyone who hasn't been to war can possibly understand the stresses of the situation in Iraq, and no matter what the local people do, if a soldier reacts to it, the soldiers are always portrayed as the "bad men" and the locals are "angels". I disagreed with the war and still do, but I have a lot of respect for the soldiers who are trying to help improve Iraq. Don't forget though - they're still human, they still get mad at people who try to harm them.

In my opinion, a swift kicking was necessary!
rohan2kool
I read an article long time ago. It is actually a letter written by an Iraqi women to the President of U.K. I hope it clear outs much of the debates here:

Quote:

A Letter to the British People from a daughter of Iraq
.

I'm sending this letter to the British people and in particular to the residents of London. For a period of hours, you have lived through moments of desperate anxiety and horror. In those hours you lost a member of your family or a friend, and we wish to tell you in total honesty that we too grieve when human lives pass away. I cannot tell you how much we hurt when we see desperation and pain on the face of another person. For we have lived through this situation €“ and continue to live through it every day €“ since your country and the United States formed an alliance and laid plans to attack Iraq.

The Prime Minister of your country, Tony Blair, said that those who carried out the explosions did so in the name of Islam. The Secretary of State of the United States, Condaleezza Rice, described the bombings as an act of barbarism. The United Nations Security Council met and unanimously condemned the event.

I would like to ask you, the free British people, to allow me to inquire: in whose name was our country blockaded for 12 years? In whose name were our cities bombed using internationally prohibited weapons? In whose name did the British army kill Iraqis and torture them? Was that in your name? Or in the name of religion? Or humanity? Or freedom? Or democracy?

What do you call the killing of more than two million children? What do you call the pollution of the soil and the water with depleted uranium and other lethal substances?

What do you call what happened in the prisons in Iraq €“ in Abu Ghraib, Camp Bucca and the many other prison camps? What do you call the torture of men, women, and children? What do you call tying bombs to the bodies of prisoners and blowing them apart? What do you call the refinement of methods of torture for use on Iraqi prisoners €“ such as pulling off limbs, gouging out eyes, putting out cigarettes on their skin, and using cigarette lighters to set fire to the hair on their heads? Does the word "barbaric" adequately describe the behavior of your troops in Iraq?

May we ask why the Security Council did not condemn the massacre in al-Amiriyah and what happened in al-Fallujah, Tal'afar, Sadr City, and an-Najaf? Why does the world watch as our people are killed and tortured and not condemn the crimes being committed against us? Are you human beings and we something less? Do you think that only you can feel pain and we can't? In fact it is we who are most aware of how intense is the pain of the mother who has lost her child, or the father who has lost his family. We know very well how painful it is to lose those you love.

You don't know our martyrs, but we know them. You don't remember them, but we remember them. You don't cry over them, but we cry over them.

Have you heard the name of the little girl Hannan Salih Matrud? Or of the boy Ahmad Jabir Karim? Or Sa'id Shabram?

Yes, our dead have names too. They have faces and stories and memories. There was a time when they were among us, laughing and playing. They had dreams, just as you have. They had a tomorrow awaiting them. But today they sleep among us with no tomorrow on which to wake.

We don't hate the British people or the peoples of the world. This war was imposed upon us, but we are now fighting it in defense of our selves. Because we want to live in our homeland €“ the free land of Iraq €“ and to live as we want to live, not as your government or the American government wish.

Let the families of those killed know that responsibility for the Thursday morning London bombings lies with Tony Blair and his policies. Stop your war against our people! Stop the daily killing that your troops commit! End your occupation of our homeland!

Iman al-Saadun, Friday, 8 July 2005
SunburnedCactus
Source please. That could just as easily be propaganda.
lyndonray
i think that beating was warranted. you can't go around trying to blow people up and expect a colgate smile from them when they catch you. Of course they are going to try to break a few of your ribs. It would nice if the soldiers had sat them down and interrogated them. But like animal said they are only human so they also get pissed off when people try to kill them!

As for the guy providing the commentary, he just made everything worse. It would have been better had he shut up. Now its like they get enjoyment from such things. Hell, maybe they do. But I can understand why they beat those guys up
S3nd K3ys
Animal wrote:
If somebody threw a home-made pipe bomb at me, I'd probably hit them a few times too.


I agree. They got what they deserved.
jaysen
And waht would be happening if it was an iraqi jail, and the british soldiers were being detained? Would they be getting cake and afternoon tea while they lounge around in lazy boy recliners and discuss the autrocities of not being able to turn the air conditioner up?

I think not.

I'm not saying its right, but look at the facts... most of those prisoners are there for a reason... and chances are if someone was conspiring to kill you, your friends, and your colleagues, you probably would stop being nice to them as well. Getting shot at and watching your buddies die does tend to build a bit of a grudge towards other people for years to come.
i think perhaps its more of the governments fault that the same people that are guarding the prisoners happen to be the same group that are getting killed by these people on the streets......
lyndonray
what sucks is that tony blair probably feels that they deserved the beating but he obviously can't express those sentiments publicly.

Now our friend George would probably joke around and say the brits should have shipped the little punks to a ranch in Texas and let Dick take care of them!
ocalhoun
manumiglani wrote:
I am sure UK soilders can't make the excuse that these prisoners were carrying weapons of mass destruction.


It really is sickening that you see it needfull to mention weapons of mass destruction...
fkmax
dun understand man, the soldier were sent their to protect the people, not to beat them up for fun....its is really shame for those involved in it.....
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