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Police, residents loot New Orleans stores after storm Knight Ridder Newspapers Published Wednesday, August 31, 2005 NEW ORLEANS - At first it just seemed that the Wal-Mart in New Orleans’ Lower Garden District was doing a very brisk post-hurricane business yesterday: The parking lot was full; people were leaving with brimming baskets; and city police and firefighters were there as if to oversee it all. But people weren’t going through the front door. They were squeezing between boards meant to protect the now-shattered glass from Hurricane Katrina’s winds. One man was packing his van so full of computers, televisions and DVD players that he had trouble closing the rear doors. One woman was carrying three jugs of laundry detergent in a city with no power to run a washer. As in other cities devastated by Hurricane Katrina, as in so many past disasters elsewhere when crisis and chaos have replaced order and normalcy, an already beleaguered New Orleans was beset by looters. |
Source: http://www.showmenews.com/2005/Aug/20050831News017.asp
I think USA civilisation is on the fall. I do not think, they can survive more than 100 years from now this way. What you guys think.
Why would you choose an article from August of 2005 in order to ask a question about the current situation of the United States?
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| Why would you choose an article from August of 2005 in order to ask a question about the current situation of the United States? |
Because we have not seen any large desaster after that. btw, 6 months is not a long time to change mentality of a community.
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By BET.com Staff Updated Sept. 2 2005 -- “Black people loot, White people find” reads a headline making the Internet rounds after Hurricane Katrina. Several blogs are highlighting two newspaper photos and their captions: one where a young Black man wades through water with a bag “after looting a grocery store,” and a similar photo with a White woman and man wading through water “after finding bread and soda from a local grocery store.” The photos are from The Associated Press and Agence France-Presse/Getty Images, respectively. Chris Graythen, the photographer who shot the so-called "White people find" photo, has responded to the controversy on a message board at www.sportshooter.com. "I believed in my opinion, that they did simply find them, and not 'looted' them in the definition of the word," he writes. "There were a million items floating in the water - we were right near a grocery store that had 5+ feet of water in it. It had no doors. The water was moving, and the stuff was floating away. These people were not ducking into a store and busting down windows to get electronics. They picked up bread and cokes that were floating in the water. " The caption on a third controversial photo -- from The Associated Press -- reads that a White person "looks through their shopping bag" in front of a broken store window. Do you think the looting coverage is racist? Is this representative of a media slant in covering African Americans? |
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http://www.bet.com/Community/RacistHurricaneCoverage.htm?wbc_purpose=Basic&WBCMODE=PresentationUnpublished&Referrer=%7BE8B573E5-316E-4783-A9C9-F6B208DD3966%7D
Is it only media, who is racist in USA? I think, USA citizens are not much different. There are many other incident, which proves, USA is most racist country in the world. I will post more examples later.
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I think your conclusions are funny. I am not American but I do respect the fact that USA is the # 1 super power of the world. They became so because they are well ahead of most nations in all aspects, including human rights. That is why many people do immigrate to USA annually, and so many of them are coming from your country India.
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Police, residents loot New Orleans stores after storm There are many other incident, which proves, USA is most racist country in the world. I will post more examples later. . |
I think your conclusions are funny. I am not American but I do respect the fact that USA is the # 1 super power of the world. They became so because they are well ahead of most nations in all aspects, including human rights. That is why many people do immigrate to USA annually, and so many of them are coming from your country India.
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bangala, I welcome you to frihost!
I invite you to read my posts and articulate your opinion.
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I think your conclusions are funny. I am not American but I do respect the fact that USA is the # 1 super power of the world. They became so because they are well ahead of most nations in all aspects, including human rights. That is why many people do immigrate to USA annually, and so many of them are coming from your country India. |
bangala, I welcome you to frihost!
I invite you to read my posts and articulate your opinion.
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US is big only in army and in the army it has 20-year-old retards, trigger happy bullies who would starve outside the army.Dispite that the Super Duper Powah today is China.It holds the biggest amound of exports,inports,production, and as for its army, well its vast considering the communist goverment.
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I think your conclusions are funny. I am not American but I do respect the fact that USA is the # 1 super power of the world. They became so because they are well ahead of most nations in all aspects, including human rights. That is why many people do immigrate to USA annually, and so many of them are coming from your country India. |
US is big only in army and in the army it has 20-year-old retards, trigger happy bullies who would starve outside the army.Dispite that the Super Duper Powah today is China.It holds the biggest amound of exports,inports,production, and as for its army, well its vast considering the communist goverment.Aahhh... I love prejudice topics like this. You can write them on a tile and hang them on your toilet wall!
We've been in a recent economic and political depression, but things overall seem to be improving (my state economy is still failing).
The problem is you can't place a judgement on the USA by a biased media, and let alone 1 story about looting in 1 city. You can't use that to compare to the rest of the country.
Robberies, murder, looting, and crime in general occur everywhere in the world, not only the USA.
Regarding the looting:
Most of the looting were items necessary for survival, such as food and water. Can you really blame people for trying to live? Your natural instincts kick in and you need to eat, you need to drink, and you will do whatever it takes to do so.
Once again, you can't use this one story to judge the entire nation. Not all Americans act or think like this, you're overlooking the good
The problem is you can't place a judgement on the USA by a biased media, and let alone 1 story about looting in 1 city. You can't use that to compare to the rest of the country.
Robberies, murder, looting, and crime in general occur everywhere in the world, not only the USA.
Regarding the looting:
Most of the looting were items necessary for survival, such as food and water. Can you really blame people for trying to live? Your natural instincts kick in and you need to eat, you need to drink, and you will do whatever it takes to do so.
Once again, you can't use this one story to judge the entire nation. Not all Americans act or think like this, you're overlooking the good
I think this conversation has to be the most idiotic one I have read here yet. No, America is not perfect, but seriously, any kind of equal rights for people around the world got it's start in America. If it weren't for our civil rights movement in 1960s similar things would not have happened around the world. The US set the precedent. Yes, many awful things concerning race have happened in America and more will, but the world would be even more racially divided today if it went for "the most racist country in the world."
Oh, and American fall from power really has nothing to do with what happened in New Orleans. Yes, other countries will gain more power and influence and we will have less and less, but I don't see us totally out of the picture for many, many years.
Oh, and American fall from power really has nothing to do with what happened in New Orleans. Yes, other countries will gain more power and influence and we will have less and less, but I don't see us totally out of the picture for many, many years.
The entire world cannot progress at the rate and style that it has been for the past century. Serious global changes will result of environmental issues alone, not to mention the political changes.
With the strength and extent of globalization, America wil never fall alone. Any changes that happen to large countries like the US and China affect everyone. If America does decline, then the countries that have invested billions in the US economy will also decline.
Using an example of desperate behavior after a catastrophe is a poor example. Human beings world wide act in ways that we condemn when their situation is trying. Theft and looting is incredibly commonplace when authority crumbles. Look at Baghdad duing GWII.
Can the US stay and grow at the pace it has been and the whole world stay the way it is? No, it can't. But it won't be a matter or falling or stay afloat. We are all far too tied together for that now.
With the strength and extent of globalization, America wil never fall alone. Any changes that happen to large countries like the US and China affect everyone. If America does decline, then the countries that have invested billions in the US economy will also decline.
Using an example of desperate behavior after a catastrophe is a poor example. Human beings world wide act in ways that we condemn when their situation is trying. Theft and looting is incredibly commonplace when authority crumbles. Look at Baghdad duing GWII.
Can the US stay and grow at the pace it has been and the whole world stay the way it is? No, it can't. But it won't be a matter or falling or stay afloat. We are all far too tied together for that now.
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| The entire world cannot progress at the rate and style that it has been for the past century. Serious global changes will result of environmental issues alone, not to mention the political changes.
With the strength and extent of globalization, America wil never fall alone. Any changes that happen to large countries like the US and China affect everyone. If America does decline, then the countries that have invested billions in the US economy will also decline. Using an example of desperate behavior after a catastrophe is a poor example. Human beings world wide act in ways that we condemn when their situation is trying. Theft and looting is incredibly commonplace when authority crumbles. Look at Baghdad duing GWII. Can the US stay and grow at the pace it has been and the whole world stay the way it is? No, it can't. But it won't be a matter or falling or stay afloat. We are all far too tied together for that now. |
Good perspective. I never considered it that way. Thanks.
I voted yes, but only because the ignorant and dogmatic are in control of America, not because there was looting.
As long as conservatives hold power, America will decline kicking and screaming until we collapse in on ourselves.
I f we get some progressive and intelligent folk back in the driver's seat, we could turn this boat back on a course that doesn't dash us on the rocks, but I don't see that as very likely, what with the un-educated majority still able to vote.
Capitalism doesn't work in conjunction with Democracy.
As long as conservatives hold power, America will decline kicking and screaming until we collapse in on ourselves.
I f we get some progressive and intelligent folk back in the driver's seat, we could turn this boat back on a course that doesn't dash us on the rocks, but I don't see that as very likely, what with the un-educated majority still able to vote.
Capitalism doesn't work in conjunction with Democracy.
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What exactly is that supposed to mean?
I voted, yes. After Iraq and Katrina, the US has lost a lot of its moral authority. We saw the poverty in New Orleans, and the racism. It is supposedly the richest in the world, and yet some of its citizens are still living as if it is a third world country. Over the last couple of years I have lost a lot of respect for the US, and I am sure that I'm not alone.
China and India are on the rise, and there is very little that the US can, or should, do about it. In the next century the US will continue to have its position in the world eroded. Of course they will still be powerful, but not in the way that they are today.
China and India are on the rise, and there is very little that the US can, or should, do about it. In the next century the US will continue to have its position in the world eroded. Of course they will still be powerful, but not in the way that they are today.
americans are Racist...
Though I am racist too even though I am English (The greates nation on Earth), though I am only racist about americans generally, I'm sure indavidualy some of you are nice, but as a group I tend to take a massive disliking to you.
Though I am racist too even though I am English (The greates nation on Earth), though I am only racist about americans generally, I'm sure indavidualy some of you are nice, but as a group I tend to take a massive disliking to you.
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I assume this is a joke, if not your as bad as any of the americans saying the same thing.
But really it's a rediculous thing to look at an incident and some peopl looting and say that their civilization will only last 100 years more. There will be change within that time but it is rediculoous to believe that the usa's citizens will just lose stability.
You could have suggested something like a political change, but not what you said.
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| americans are Racist...
Though I am racist too even though I am English (The greates nation on Earth), though I am only racist about americans generally, I'm sure indavidualy some of you are nice, but as a group I tend to take a massive disliking to you. |
lol
no offense taken. ironically even though I am american I used to feel the same way (since I grew up outside of the 'big bubble'). But now that I do live in the U.S. I don't feel that way anymore. As with everyone else in the world - we have our advantages and our disadvantages
good laugh anyway.
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This is a tired issue, the Democrats just can't seem to leave Hurricane Katrina behind, though it happened months ago. Just a couple days ago on the news I heard "New developments in the allegations on why the gov't responded so slowly to Hurricane Katrina.."
You know, let it die. You lost. Go cry about it somewhere else.
But in regards to this. You cannot take one incident and assume that the entire country follows. Although a corrupt few tried to loot for personal gain, most of the "looting" was for food and water. Can you blame them?
If you had nothing, your instincts would kick in, and you would try to survive, and if that means "looting" a store for food which would otherwise be destroyed, spoiled, or non-existent if it weren't looted, then loot away! It's not like people were planning on saving the stuff for after the waters receeded.
You know, let it die. You lost. Go cry about it somewhere else.
But in regards to this. You cannot take one incident and assume that the entire country follows. Although a corrupt few tried to loot for personal gain, most of the "looting" was for food and water. Can you blame them?
If you had nothing, your instincts would kick in, and you would try to survive, and if that means "looting" a store for food which would otherwise be destroyed, spoiled, or non-existent if it weren't looted, then loot away! It's not like people were planning on saving the stuff for after the waters receeded.
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| If it weren't for our civil rights movement in 1960s similar things would not have happened around the world. |
You attribute too much to yourselves...
Gandhi. There could be even earlier examples of people organising movements for basic human rights... I'm just posting one example that I am very familiar with.
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| americans generally, I'm sure indavidualy some of you are nice, but as a group I tend to take a massive disliking to you. |
Unfortunately, I have to agree, because majority of the Americans I have encountered have come across having this "I'm superior to you, and I'm from the greatest nation on Earth" attitude. I know that America's on top of the world right now, but a little humility never hurt anyone.
But I don't agree that America is going down in a puff of smoke in the next 100 years... perhaps it may lose osme of its power to emerging strong countries, but I agree with benwhite's post.
I voted Yes.
What goes up; Must come down 
What goes up; Must come down
We may loose puerto rico to cuba...but I think thats about it...and maybe canada will take maine but who cares about maine....
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Wherever there is some kind disaster there will always be a jerk who tries to make a quick buck off of it.
This is not only true in US but the world over. Criminals are everywhere and if they see a chance at easy money they are going to go for it.
To single out the US as being on the decline because of such things just isn't fair. If the actions of a few people are indicative of the decline of a civilization, then the world as a whole is fast going down the tubes.
This is not only true in US but the world over. Criminals are everywhere and if they see a chance at easy money they are going to go for it.
To single out the US as being on the decline because of such things just isn't fair. If the actions of a few people are indicative of the decline of a civilization, then the world as a whole is fast going down the tubes.
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I think USA civilisation is on the fall. I do not think [much] |
Wrong-tolerance is damaging society
This is exactly like saying "Okay, one muslim strapped a bomb on and bombed a building, so they are all terrorists"
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You attribute too much to yourselves... Gandhi. There could be even earlier examples of people organising movements for basic human rights... I'm just posting one example that I am very familiar with. |
Sorry if I came off a little high and mightly there, but I don't like hearing equally self-righious words from the rest of the world about America. And yes, while I can't say that we were alone in developing civil rights, we were the first developed, western nation to make racial intergration the norm. And that cannot be negated.
So far, 68% of us believe that USA is falling. But still, USA is trying to become world leader. Should we accept leadership of a falling civilisation? Have USA moral right to do so?
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I certainly would be willing to be believe this. Although a great portion of it isn't necessarily racism, more ignorance and stubbornness, but there are quite a bit of race issues.
Although I don't know if it's "most racist country in the world", as I haven't spent much time in other countries (except for the one I'm originally from) to compare it.
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