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Are Muslims justified in staging worldwide protests over cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad?
iam muslim
and dont accept cartoons on Prophet Muhammad
prophet Muhammed is a Guidance to follow
u can know much about Prophet Muhammed
http://www.muhammad.net/
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Are Muslims justified in staging worldwide protests over cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad?
iam muslim
and dont accept cartoons on Prophet Muhammad
prophet Muhammed is a Guidance to follow
u can know much about Prophet Muhammed
http://www.muhammad.net/
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Last edited by adwya on Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:18 pm; edited 2 times in total
Shit, I meant to vote yes. Ahh.
They have the right to PROTEST, not the right to physically change it themselves.
They have the right to PROTEST, not the right to physically change it themselves.
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Are Muslims justified in staging worldwide protests over cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad? |
Sure.
But that does NOT not give them license to destroy other's property and threaten the lives of the illustrators
Protesting is fine.
Burning buildings and causing death is not.
Burning buildings and causing death is not.
Everybody has the right to dignity, personal beliefs etc. UN constitution.
i would see the cartoons as slander, and this should be illegal.
I think respect is sooooo important. Media have been disgusting and have just lowered their reputation once again. the tabloids believe your guilty until proven innocent, they exaggerate or bias to a certain extent, they even print false rumours, false interpretations of research etc. I think the media are to blame for starting this.Golden rule in life: don't intimidate people's personal beliefs.
i would see the cartoons as slander, and this should be illegal.
I think respect is sooooo important. Media have been disgusting and have just lowered their reputation once again. the tabloids believe your guilty until proven innocent, they exaggerate or bias to a certain extent, they even print false rumours, false interpretations of research etc. I think the media are to blame for starting this.Golden rule in life: don't intimidate people's personal beliefs.
| Lennon wrote: |
| Everybody has the right to dignity, personal beliefs etc. UN constitution.
i would see the cartoons as slander, and this should be illegal. I think respect is sooooo important. Media have been disgusting and have just lowered their reputation once again. the tabloids believe your guilty until proven innocent, they exaggerate or bias to a certain extent, they even print false rumours, false interpretations of research etc. I think the media are to blame for starting this.Golden rule in life: don't intimidate people's personal beliefs. |
Respect? So dragging dead, mutilated bodies thru the street is respectful? How about hanging them from bridges? How about targeting women and children? How about hiding behind women and children? How about burning buildings and causing death becasue of satire?
Is that your idea of respect?
You don't see other people doing that shit. Only (radical) muslims. WTF do you mean RESPECT?
We did to hang people from bridges...
...in the middle ages.
...in the middle ages.
Muslims aren't justified for starting riots, they aren't justified for burning buildings down, they aren't justified for bombing people, they aren't justified for sinking ships, they aren't justified for torturing people, they aren't justified for flying airplanes into buildings, they aren't justified for many things they do.
While I understand they are upset, they are taking out their emotions the completely wrong way. It's terrible and disgusting, and I am sick of it.
While I understand they are upset, they are taking out their emotions the completely wrong way. It's terrible and disgusting, and I am sick of it.
That's biasing what I said. these rights apply to everyone, and they're both in the wrong.
Just, I'd like to ask adwya about his faith.
Catholicism has a deep understanding of its bible and doesn't just read it literally. If you've ever read the bible it says in the new testament that we should eat the body of christ and drink his blood in order to have eternal life, then you'd say that's cannabalism. But we believe it's mysteriously complicated, that it's different in a spiritual sense.
Is it true that we can interpret the Qur'an in the same way, where you take it literally and kill or is there a deeper mystery that's got a different meaning like maybe killing our inner beliefs by leadership and example or whatever, coz we have loads of quotes, but we need a muslim to properly interpret it for us.
Just, I'd like to ask adwya about his faith.
Catholicism has a deep understanding of its bible and doesn't just read it literally. If you've ever read the bible it says in the new testament that we should eat the body of christ and drink his blood in order to have eternal life, then you'd say that's cannabalism. But we believe it's mysteriously complicated, that it's different in a spiritual sense.
Is it true that we can interpret the Qur'an in the same way, where you take it literally and kill or is there a deeper mystery that's got a different meaning like maybe killing our inner beliefs by leadership and example or whatever, coz we have loads of quotes, but we need a muslim to properly interpret it for us.
| Soulfire wrote: |
| Muslims aren't justified for starting riots, they aren't justified for burning buildings down, they aren't justified for bombing people, they aren't justified for sinking ships, they aren't justified for torturing people, they aren't justified for flying airplanes into buildings, they aren't justified for many things they do.
While I understand they are upset, they are taking out their emotions the completely wrong way. It's terrible and disgusting, and I am sick of it. |
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Is it true that we can interpret the Qur'an in the same way, where you take it literally and kill or is there a deeper mystery that's got a different meaning like maybe killing our inner beliefs by leadership and example or whatever, coz we have loads of quotes, but we need a muslim to properly interpret it for us. |
Perhaps you could tell that to the radicals that are, um... killing women and children in the name of Muhammad and Alah and Islam?
Seriously, that went out with the middle ages. Other religions aren't doing that crap.
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| says in the new testament that we should eat the body of christ and drink his blood in order to have eternal life |
Actually that's critical. It's the only time Jesus repeats himself SO MANY times.
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no, it's not.
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| that it's different in a spiritual sense. |
It has a greater spiritual consequence, but the command is quite literal. Many people ceased following him after that teaching and he let them go.
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no, we don't. And the John 6:28-69 doesn't need "interpretation". It's patently clear. Most protestants like to sweep that one under the rug.
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Actually that's critical. It's the only time Jesus repeats himself SO MANY times. |
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no, it's not. |
I know what the gospel preaches. read my post again.
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no, we don't. And the John 6:28-69 doesn't need "interpretation". It's patently clear. Most protestants like to sweep that one under the rug. |
And maybe here I just wasn't clear enough. I meant the quotes S3nd K3ys used from the Qur'an describing violence need muslim interpretation
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| So dragging dead, mutilated bodies thru the street is respectful? |
This was also done to african americans in the '60s...
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You don't see other people doing that ****. Only (radical) muslims. |
Please don't take this the wrong way, but that's got to be the wrong-est thing I've read all day!
So MANY others have done and are doing that?
Do you need a list, or can you jog your own memory?
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but that's got to be the wrong-est thing I've read all day! So MANY others have done and are doing that? Do you need a list, or can you jog your own memory? |
He must have missed where people protested integration by dragging, killing, and tormenting african americans.
thay sure dont
thers noting in the Koran that say portraing (did i spell that right) Prophet Muhammad is wrong
its more a unspoken rule or courtesy thay dont portrait him
even tho i agree the picture whas a bit distasteful and stupid
im sure that the "Christian GOD" is pisst that nobody gets enraged when some 1 draws a funny picture about him
thers noting in the Koran that say portraing (did i spell that right) Prophet Muhammad is wrong
its more a unspoken rule or courtesy thay dont portrait him
even tho i agree the picture whas a bit distasteful and stupid
im sure that the "Christian GOD" is pisst that nobody gets enraged when some 1 draws a funny picture about him
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im sure that the "Christian GOD" is pisst that nobody gets enraged when some 1 draws a funny picture about him |
What's the point blamin them? Those guys will anyways to go HELL, which is more bitter and harsh than the punishment they can get on earth.
Let someone tear the picture of any religious figure, what does it amount to? Nothing. Unnecessary attention it given too much to Prophet Mohammned's cartoon. Though I voted in favour of the protest, which is right. Burning embassies and becoming violent are uncalled for and undemocratic (of course many Islamic Countries are not democratic countries as well).
It looks like Muslims are very narrow minded and cannot accept anything like this, which it is not suppose to be. If People insult your God there is bigger chance that they will like it sooner or later. Because the true God still loves those who persecute them and blaspheme his NAME.
That's my take guys!
It's just stupid. Plain stupid. It's fake, the cartoon. The 'Prophet Muhammad as a pig' is actually someone competing in the annual Pig-Squeling-Championship somewhere in France. Somebody tryed to create conflict between the Western and Middle East. I mean if 'your' Prophet really isn't like that, and 'you' know in your heart that he's a good guy, don't bother what other people say. Can't 'you' tolerate anything? 'They' are just for violence and terror. I think those people haven't got anything serious to do instead of fighting and killing. Those that kill aren't Muslims, but are cults. Besides that, do 'you' know 'your' Quran well, or even read it??? This issue is just controversial......
I'm sorry if what I said is wrong or 'you' think is wrong.
I'm sorry if what I said is wrong or 'you' think is wrong.
i think they are absalutly ataking it too far i mean get angry 
but not that angry
but not that angryIf someone abuses you verbally what do you do, either take it or you verbally abuse them back, if somone hits you you either take it or hit them back. But with this some danish people have drawn some cartoons which offend Muslims, yeah the justified response is not to go violent and protest like this, peaceful marches, or cartoons back of a similar magnitude against the danish is suitable. But to go overboard is not, you would not kill somone for insulting you, so why say your going to kill somone for drawing a picture.
on another note if this was done so that Jesus was in pictures like this there would be no uproar, other religions see the right of freedom of speech so why cant muslims
remember this is imo so whatever you say back it aint gonna change my mind so dont take this personal.
on another note if this was done so that Jesus was in pictures like this there would be no uproar, other religions see the right of freedom of speech so why cant muslims
remember this is imo so whatever you say back it aint gonna change my mind so dont take this personal.
and of course, every ignorant fool out-there jumps to the conclusion that every muslim out-there is jumping forth brandishing knives, beggingto slay the accused.
the actions of a couple people shouldn't represent the collective whole.
it's incredibly disrespectful the way Muhammad is depicted in said cartoons.
No muslim should feel that they shouldn't be offended. I would, and I'd protest.
the actions of a couple people shouldn't represent the collective whole.
it's incredibly disrespectful the way Muhammad is depicted in said cartoons.
No muslim should feel that they shouldn't be offended. I would, and I'd protest.
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on another note if this was done so that Jesus was in pictures like this there would be no uproar, other religions see the right of freedom of speech so why cant muslims |
I beg to differ. Any real Christian out there would definitely speak out against ANY derogatory cartoon of Jesus. The only reason the "collective" Christian whole might not, is that Christians/Christianity has become so slack.
Also, free speech does not reach so far as slander.
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Perhaps you could tell that to the radicals that are, um... killing women and children in the name of Muhammad and Alah and Islam?
Seriously, that went out with the middle ages. Other religions aren't doing that crap. |
Actually, the other religions ARE doing that crap - it's just that they don't have the media picking through their every move with a fine toothe combe.
Are you aware American troops raped and in some instances killed both women and children in the Iraq "invasion"? That there were instances of people coming home to their trashed houses, complete with fresh turd on the living-room floor?
I could tell you to go tell those god fearing men to "love thy neighbour", and start crapping on on what terrorists Americans are. Or I could realise that radicalists are radicalists, and a minority.
And not just be a close-minded biggot.
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Respect? So dragging dead, mutilated bodies thru the street is respectful? How about hanging them from bridges? How about targeting women and children? How about hiding behind women and children? How about burning buildings and causing death becasue of satire? Is that your idea of respect? You don't see other people doing that ****. Only (radical) muslims. WTF do you mean RESPECT? |
I don't think people doing all of these are only muslims. Have you ever thought that why all of terrorist attacs are related to islam, why those cartoons are related islam but not to any other. I think they can also declare authors of those cartoons as muslims. But it is not logical, who can believe? By relating all of these to islam is method of hiding guilty ones.
The catch 22 is... should'nt we (the democratic free western world (haha) ) be defending anyones and everyones right (remember no rights were ever given by the grace of any god ) to free speech regardless of whether we agree on not to what there protesting about.
I think of these ppl passing over to the otherside and meeting there maker and asking ..........what (*makers name*) do you value more your reputation in the eyes of man or one of your children
I think of these ppl passing over to the otherside and meeting there maker and asking ..........what (*makers name*) do you value more your reputation in the eyes of man or one of your children
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I beg to differ. Any real Christian out there would definitely speak out against ANY derogatory cartoon of Jesus. The only reason the "collective" Christian whole might not, is that Christians/Christianity has become so slack. Also, free speech does not reach so far as slander. |
i dont tink you can call a picture of Prophet Muhammad for slander plus it sems like most muslims dont know if ther angry about him being portraid ina news papper or being portrait whit a bomb as a turban
"Any real Christiann out there would definitely speak out against ANY derogatory cartoon of Jesus"
here are a few picthures of jesus the first is jesus being exploited for adds,advertising, publicity ect
the secund picture is a degrading one i found alot of pages showing it
and i havent seen any Christians going aroun whit torches or pitchforks
http://www.motleycrow.com/ImageHost/freshmaker.jpg
http://exchristian.net/art/albums/funny/normal_Watering_Jesus.jpg
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I think most terrorist attacks which you believe as they were resulted from religion of Islam have been planned by the people who are not muslims.
Most leaders of terror organization have been grown by some countries which are not Islam,When their jobs were finished with the leaders of these organizations,They have wanted to kill them.I don't want to explain country names here.
I don't support and like terrorism.But,Islam has been showed a bad religion by the people who are malicious.
I just wanted you know that The muslims believe and love Prophet Jesus more than Christians.
Most leaders of terror organization have been grown by some countries which are not Islam,When their jobs were finished with the leaders of these organizations,They have wanted to kill them.I don't want to explain country names here.
I don't support and like terrorism.But,Islam has been showed a bad religion by the people who are malicious.
I just wanted you know that The muslims believe and love Prophet Jesus more than Christians.
I will stand up for religion against derogatory images.
This is not funny, would not be interesting at all if religious icons were not used, and it disrespects our beliefs.
I suggest you replace all those images with url tags for links so we don't have to see them if we decide not to.
This is not funny, would not be interesting at all if religious icons were not used, and it disrespects our beliefs.
I suggest you replace all those images with url tags for links so we don't have to see them if we decide not to.
I am a muslim.
Cartoons of Prophet Mohammed mustnt have been in the newspaper.This is very important thing for muslims.We believe Jesus,Moses,Mohammed and some other prophets.So we dont enjoy depicting prophets.We dont tease about them.Islam says that muslims must be respectful for other religions.
Those cartoons which was posted byTonkpilz is not good thing.Tonkpilz posts nonsense with those cartoons.
Some muslims react very big.They must control theirselves.
Because of cartoons,we must condemn Denmark for their behavers.Right is this.
Cartoons of Prophet Mohammed mustnt have been in the newspaper.This is very important thing for muslims.We believe Jesus,Moses,Mohammed and some other prophets.So we dont enjoy depicting prophets.We dont tease about them.Islam says that muslims must be respectful for other religions.
Those cartoons which was posted byTonkpilz is not good thing.Tonkpilz posts nonsense with those cartoons.
Some muslims react very big.They must control theirselves.
Because of cartoons,we must condemn Denmark for their behavers.Right is this.
| abone wrote: |
| I think most terrorist attacks which you believe as they were resulted from religion of Islam have been planned by the people who are not muslims.
Most leaders of terror organization have been grown by some countries which are not Islam,When their jobs were finished with the leaders of these organizations,They have wanted to kill them.I don't want to explain country names here. I don't support and like terrorism.But,Islam has been showed a bad religion by the people who are malicious. I just wanted you know that The muslims believe and love Prophet Jesus more than Christians. |
thanks
| Lennon wrote: |
| I will stand up for religion against derogatory images.
This is not funny, would not be interesting at all if religious icons were not used, and it disrespects our beliefs. I suggest you replace all those images with url tags for links so we don't have to see them if we decide not to. |
you right its done
and this is how a protest shuld have bean done
abone dont tink you can call this terrorism the gruppe of ppl are to big
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i dont tink you can call a picture of Prophet Muhammad for slander plus it sems like most muslims dont know if ther angry about him being portraid ina news papper or being portrait whit a bomb as a turban "Any real Christiann out there would definitely speak out against ANY derogatory cartoon of Jesus" here are a few picthures of jesus the first is jesus being exploited for adds,advertising, publicity ect the secund picture is a degrading one i found alot of pages showing it and i havent seen any Christians going aroun whit torches or pitchforks http://www.motleycrow.com/ImageHost/freshmaker.jpg http://exchristian.net/art/albums/funny/normal_Watering_Jesus.jpg |
The thing is, these images are just stupidly derogatory. They have no substantial message of "political agenda" behind them to really offend anyone. Also, it is unwritten law, almost like a taboo, to portray Mohammad frivolously in the Islamic faith, where it is not as much in Christianity...
And, in fact, there was a huge uproar here in Melbourne Australia, when a portrait of Jesus was entered into a gallery, that depicted him crucified on a cross, floating in a pool of piss. The name of the artwork was "Piss Christ". Also last year, a cafe was forced to take down a piece of artwork that made reference to the Jews, because it offended some Jewish people.
And do remind me, which church was it that burnt scientists - namely those that challenged religion - just a couple hundred years ago?
(ALSO - a protest by a Muslim faction does not automatical mean irrational argument and/or violence for christs sake).
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| insolent1 wrote: |
| I am a muslim.
Cartoons of Prophet Mohammed mustnt have been in the newspaper.This is very important thing for muslims.We believe Jesus,Moses,Mohammed and some other prophets.So we dont enjoy depicting prophets.We dont tease about them.Islam says that muslims must be respectful for other religions. Those cartoons which was posted byTonkpilz is not good thing.Tonkpilz posts nonsense with those cartoons. Some muslims react very big.They must control theirselves. Because of cartoons,we must condemn Denmark for their behavers.Right is this. |
i'm full of supporting you...it isn't acceptable...
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This was also done to african americans in the '60s... |
This was also condemmed by the government in the 60's, not encouraged and condoned by the government. Seriously, try to keep things in perspective.
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Actually, the other religions ARE doing that crap - |
Care to show me? I haven't heard about it. Please provide verification for your blather, hence you won't make yourself out to the the "ignorant" girl on frihost that calls everyone they disagree with a racist with nearly every breath.
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but that's got to be the wrong-est thing I've read all day! So MANY others have done and are doing that? Do you need a list, or can you jog your own memory? |
I'd love a list. An accurate list. You seem to have a knack for lumping many things together that don't belong.
I think all religions should live in peace and that guy who drew the cartoons and caused panic all over the world should be punished!
That guy is really stupid and a racist.
That guy is really stupid and a racist.Replay to blackheart
i Agree but about 20-30 years ago portraing Prophet Muhammad whas common practice among many muslims cultures. cant say if ther whar any "funny pic" tho (but im sure ther whas attlest 1)
the pic i shown hade no political agenda but burning flags do and involving countrys that hade apsolotly noting to do whit the Prophet Muhammad picture is stupid. and the picture have bean condemn by the Dane's and an official excuse hase bean given
even if i tink the publishing of the Prophet Muhammad pic whas stupid and mybe wrong i still belive i have the right to se it if i whant to. others dont have to read the or look att the articel if thay dont whant to.
oh and some taliban just put price money on the artists head and threatend the western world whit suicide boombers. dont tink this brightens are vision of the muslim culture, i know most muslims condemns this cinds of remarks but not all ppl will se it that whay.
i Agree but about 20-30 years ago portraing Prophet Muhammad whas common practice among many muslims cultures. cant say if ther whar any "funny pic" tho (but im sure ther whas attlest 1)
the pic i shown hade no political agenda but burning flags do and involving countrys that hade apsolotly noting to do whit the Prophet Muhammad picture is stupid. and the picture have bean condemn by the Dane's and an official excuse hase bean given
even if i tink the publishing of the Prophet Muhammad pic whas stupid and mybe wrong i still belive i have the right to se it if i whant to. others dont have to read the or look att the articel if thay dont whant to.
oh and some taliban just put price money on the artists head and threatend the western world whit suicide boombers. dont tink this brightens are vision of the muslim culture, i know most muslims condemns this cinds of remarks but not all ppl will se it that whay.
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Care to show me? I haven't heard about it. Please provide verification for your blather, hence you won't make yourself out to the the "ignorant" girl on frihost that calls everyone they disagree with a racist with nearly every breath.
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The problem is that Western media is not exactly prone to reporting on it's own evils, so finding verifiably accurate information to present to you here and now on the internet is difficult.
Although young, I have travelled through-out egypt/israel/jordan and a couple other places in the middle east. Once you are over there, suddenly the "media-angle" flips on it's head, and the American invaders are (although this is not said, but to me it jsut seems this way) the terrorists, trashing homes and usurping power by all means neccessary (that is, of course, on local and not cable tv/radio).
But at the same time, they do not so much slander the Western world as we do them here, as simply report the stuff that happens.
Here's what I have after a search on google:
http://www.stlimc.org/newswire/display/698
http://www.aztlan.net/torture_iraqi_pows.htm
www.aztlan.net/ iraqi_women_raped.htm
http://www.aztlan.net/latinas_us_military_raped.htm
(explore the site)
(note for these: images, not for everyone)
And that was just from the first two sites I saw with a somewhat "promising" description. Open your eyes honeybunch.
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| Replay to blackheart
i Agree but about 20-30 years ago portraing Prophet Muhammad whas common practice among many muslims cultures. cant say if ther whar any "funny pic" tho (but im sure ther whas attlest 1) the pic i shown hade no political agenda but burning flags do and involving countrys that hade apsolotly noting to do whit the Prophet Muhammad picture is stupid. and the picture have bean condemn by the Dane's and an official excuse hase bean given even if i tink the publishing of the Prophet Muhammad pic whas stupid and mybe wrong i still belive i have the right to se it if i whant to. others dont have to read the or look att the articel if thay dont whant to. oh and some taliban just put price money on the artists head and threatend the western world whit suicide boombers. dont tink this brightens are vision of the muslim culture, i know most muslims condemns this cinds of remarks but not all ppl will se it that whay. |
Mm, you have a reasonable point of view there.
I'm just saying that although most American troops don't do this: http://www.aztlan.net/torture_iraqi_pows.htm - not everyone's gonna see it that way either - especially those over there.
It's acts like this/that that either cause extremist groups to form, or current ones to build grudges against the US.
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The problem is that Western media is not exactly prone to reporting on it's own evils, so finding verifiably accurate information to present to you here and now on the internet is difficult. |
Oh, so the western media controls all the content on the internet?
There's a reason you won't find it on the internet, and it's NOT because it's not being reported, it's because it's NOT HAPPENING.
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Here's what I have after a search on google: http://www.stlimc.org/newswire/display/698 http://www.aztlan.net/torture_iraqi_pows.htm www.aztlan.net/ iraqi_women_raped.htm http://www.aztlan.net/latinas_us_military_raped.htm (explore the site) (note for these: images, not for everyone) And that was just from the first two sites I saw with a somewhat "promising" description. Open your eyes honeybunch. |
I don't see how a VERY small percentage of people who stepped out of line and abused their authority (who HAVE SINCE BEEN DENOUNCED FOR WHAT THEY DID BY THE POPULATION AND THE GOVERNMENT), compares to GOVERNMENTS SUPPORTING THE DESTRUCTION OF LIFE AND PROPERTY BY THE POPULATION in the name of religion.
Like I said, honeybunch, I'd love to see a list, and you have not provided one. Please try again if you want your accusations to hold any credit whatsoever.
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S3nd K3ys Oh, so the western media controls all the content on the internet? There's a reason you won't find it on the internet, and it's NOT because it's not being reported, it's because it's NOT HAPPENING. |
dont tink blackheart tryd to say that the western media controls all the content on the internet
and ther are lots of content about it on the internet but its impossible to say whats the truth and whats not im sure that 99% of it hase some point of view insted of being impartial
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"a mob is stupid its the individual thats smart" - some whan sayd :p
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and ther are lots of content about it on the internet but its impossible to say whats the truth and whats not im sure that 99% of it hase some point of view insted of being impartial |
I'd still like to see it, even if you think it's fake. If Christians, Catholics, Jews etc are killing and destroying buildings in the name of their respective religion on a world wide bases, I'd like to read about it.
Anyone?
Every religion does these cartoons on other religions. It is called freedom of speech.
| adiutrix wrote: |
| Every religion does these cartoons on other religions. It is called freedom of speech. |
Muslims dont support to depict of any Prophet.We dont portray Jesus,Moses in a cartoon.Because we are respectful.Because our religion says that.
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Muslims dont support to depict of any Prophet.We dont portray Jesus,Moses in a cartoon.Because we are respectful.Because our religion says that. |
Oh? Then how come these "controversial" cartoons were published in Egypt last October? Notably to very little reaction, implying that there has been definite incitement of late.
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| It is called freedom of speech. |
Freedom of speech is very important.They dont be punished for their cartoons but they must understand and know before depicting.Those cartoons are out of humanity,harmful for some cultures.Those cartoons take a purpose which is fighting between religions.If they dont know these cartoons are harmful,they are stupid.But they know reality.
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Oh? Then how come these "controversial" cartoons were published in Egypt last October? Notably to very little reaction, implying that there has been definite incitement of late. |
When the first publishing of cartoons,in 30 September,there was a little debate and reaction.But This was not enough reaction for someone.Someone wants to incite Muslims to the West.Someone is Danish.
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When the first publishing of cartoons,in 30 September,there was a little debate and reaction.But This was not enough reaction for someone.Someone wants to incite Muslims to the West.Someone is Danish. |
Actually the finger of blame for the incitement is currently pointing at Iran and Syria...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4694876.stm
| SunburnedCactus wrote: | ||||
Oh? Then how come these "controversial" cartoons were published in Egypt last October? Notably to very little reaction, implying that there has been definite incitement of late. |
It can be published anywhere. This is not important. It is imported to accept that is wrong. That is wrong publishing and pleading it though that is known that is wrong. That is discreditable to hide backside of freedom.
Your freedom finish where start mine!
No, my freedom finishes where my freedom wants to.
| SunburnedCactus wrote: |
| No, my freedom finishes where my freedom wants to. |
if your freedoom start to injure mine, find me opposite you! I don't let you to do it.
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i dont tink you can call a picture of Prophet Muhammad for slander plus it sems like most muslims dont know if ther angry about him being portraid ina news papper or being portrait whit a bomb as a turban "Any real Christiann out there would definitely speak out against ANY derogatory cartoon of Jesus" here are a few picthures of jesus the first is jesus being exploited for adds,advertising, publicity ect the secund picture is a degrading one i found alot of pages showing it and i havent seen any Christians going aroun whit torches or pitchforks http://www.motleycrow.com/ImageHost/freshmaker.jpg http://exchristian.net/art/albums/funny/normal_Watering_Jesus.jpg |
Most of you are saying that it has no sense at all, that is unjustified.
But you don't really understand the feelings of these people.
Your should think this like this: Somebody made a photoshop with your girlfriend, being waked all over her face and being penetrated by a three guys. How would you feel with something like that?
And what would you do If you knew who did that?
What would you do if there is another one with your mom as a slut, or your father as a queer?
Do you think that this analogy isn't right?
Of course it is, the thing here is empathy, feelings to our most beloved ones. You can laugh when they makes fun of somebody, but not when someone has fun of you.
Even you can't feel or understand the deep pain they have, because religion is not a important thing to you guys.
If you did choose going to the responsible's house and beating him until unconsciousness, imagine that feeling -rage, hate, desires of revenge, etc...- ten times.
Religion for them is even stronger that their mother, girlfriend or family. Even more that their lives.
Just think about that.
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By the way YOU DIDN'T see Christians with torchs?
Man, you haven't see anything... nothing...
I consider myself as a practising Catholic, you can say an orthodox one, but man... there are ultra fanatics that are just vandals with no clue of the religion.
Christ never taught to be violent... but this guys just hooks when Jesus casted out merchants from the temple.
Man, there are many guys with no idea of theology, love, and biblical studies. No doctrine, no knowledge. No knowledge, uncapable to understand God and therefore impossible to love God deeply.
But 'doctrine' has to be followed by 'ascetic': the way of life, praying, opening your heart and living what you say to believe. If not, everything hasn't any sense.
That's all,
D
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Most of you are saying that it has no sense at all, that is unjustified. But you don't really understand the feelings of these people. Your should think this like this: Somebody made a photoshop with your girlfriend, being waked all over her face and being penetrated by a three guys. How would you feel with something like that? And what would you do If you knew who did that? What would you do if there is another one with your mom as a slut, or your father as a queer? Do you think that this analogy isn't right? Of course it is, the thing here is empathy, feelings to our most beloved ones. You can laugh when they makes fun of somebody, but not when someone has fun of you. Even you can't feel or understand the deep pain they have, because religion is not a important thing to you guys. If you did choose going to the responsible's house and beating him until unconsciousness, imagine that feeling -rage, hate, desires of revenge, etc...- ten times. Religion for them is even stronger that their mother, girlfriend or family. Even more that their lives. Just think about that. -------------- By the way YOU DIDN'T see Christians with torchs? Man, you haven't see anything... nothing... I consider myself as a practising Catholic, you can say an orthodox one, but man... there are ultra fanatics that are just vandals with no clue of the religion. Christ never taught to be violent... but this guys just hooks when Jesus casted out merchants from the temple. Man, there are many guys with no idea of theology, love, and biblical studies. No doctrine, no knowledge. No knowledge, uncapable to understand God and therefore impossible to love God deeply. But 'doctrine' has to be followed by 'ascetic': the way of life, praying, opening your heart and living what you say to believe. If not, everything hasn't any sense. That's all, D |
thers no reson for me to feel empathy for ther colture or religion not when my comrad's get killd and hurt for somting we dident do and coz of ther lack of understanding of are culture
im not holding any bodys religion against any one especialy not your's islams or any body ellses
and im not draging every one over one corner sure ther are roten eggs and ther are thos who i feel are just
to me freedom of speech and freedom of the press is my religion and now thay whant to stop us from printing somting (dont care what it is) thats wrong but i dont go out hunting muslims burn ther flags or burn ther ambaseds
normal protests can go a long why thers no need to start beheading danmark and it surounding countrys like boycotting Daneish produkts whas a step in the right direction
NO I DIDN'T see Christians with torchs?
coz the Christian radical groups arnt as big as a whole damn country now is it
il sat it again the Prophet Muhammad pic whas taste less but i belive i have a right to choose to se it or not to see it
I don't think that extremists (of any religion) represent the religion itself; as usual, the extreme is not the mean! Terrostis are not necessarily muslims, or of any particular nationality!!! To generalize (or over generalize I daresay) is far too common and gives rise to intolerance. All religions should be respected; the problem is the individuals who want to impose upon others what they believe (do they???) is right... Let us remember the Inquisition for example... See that not only muslims can terrorize people???? (the thing is that since it is past... people forget!)
| Karo wrote: |
| I don't think that extremists (of any religion) represent the religion itself; as usual, the extreme is not the mean! Terrostis are not necessarily muslims, or of any particular nationality!!! To generalize (or over generalize I daresay) is far too common and gives rise to intolerance. All religions should be respected; the problem is the individuals who want to impose upon others what they believe (do they???) is right... Let us remember the Inquisition for example... See that not only muslims can terrorize people???? (the thing is that since it is past... people forget!) |
Cheers the best point i'v heard to day
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I don't see how a VERY small percentage of people who stepped out of line and abused their authority (who HAVE SINCE BEEN DENOUNCED FOR WHAT THEY DID BY THE POPULATION AND THE GOVERNMENT), compares to GOVERNMENTS SUPPORTING THE DESTRUCTION OF LIFE AND PROPERTY BY THE POPULATION in the name of religion. Like I said, honeybunch, I'd love to see a list, and you have not provided one. Please try again if you want your accusations to hold any credit whatsoever. |
A.) Are not governments a small percentage of people? The only difference is that in one situation, the small percentage has power, and in the other they do not.
And it's hardly the whole population destroying life and property.
B.) I'm not saying western media controls all the media on the internet - just about 95% of the english-speaking media. I can't read arabic, so i can't read through or access such news sites.
It is out there - what I found above I found in the space of about 2-3 minutes.
Unlike you (I guess this a presumption based on your obvious mis-conception of the culture), I have been to the parts of the world the people you wish to slander originate from. I've travelled the middle-east - lived with "these people", spoken to them, made friends, etc.
They're no different to the people back home. They're people who love their kids, and go to work each day to rovide for them. There are obviously bad eggs, but no more so than those back home.
I mean, in Jerusalem, nearly every Jewish man walks around with a rifle or similar amnunition slung over their back - not the Muslims.
Also, I travel "off the beaten track", and don't tend to stay in touristy areas - so yes I have seen the real side of Middle Eastern countries.
| tononja wrote: |
| Most of you are saying that it has no sense at all, that is unjustified.
But you don't really understand the feelings of these people. Your should think this like this: Somebody made a photoshop with your girlfriend, being waked all over her face and being penetrated by a three guys. How would you feel with something like that? And what would you do If you knew who did that? What would you do if there is another one with your mom as a slut, or your father as a queer? Do you think that this analogy isn't right? Of course it is, the thing here is empathy, feelings to our most beloved ones. You can laugh when they makes fun of somebody, but not when someone has fun of you. Even you can't feel or understand the deep pain they have, because religion is not a important thing to you guys. |
I like the girlfriend/mother/dad analogy above - it's absolutely right. They lvoe their religion more than we do, it has more meaning and importance to them. Some people just don't seem to realise this.
Oh, and of course it would all be within my freedom of speec to forward the picture (of your girlfried in particular) to every email address I could find, because I just know those people would choose to see it.
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Most of you are saying that it has no sense at all, that is unjustified. But you don't really understand the feelings of these people. Your should think this like this: Somebody made a photoshop with your girlfriend, being waked all over her face and being penetrated by a three guys. How would you feel with something like that? And what would you do If you knew who did that? |
Bullshit. Emotional feelings have little to do with physical feelings. Causing death over cartoons is barbaric. Plain and simple.
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If it was funny, I'd laugh. It's a cartoon. If it was, in my father's case, a man raping my father then claiming he's queer, I'd do physical damage. There's a difference.
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Do you think that this analogy isn't right? |
The damage these barbarians have caused over these cartoons is not right. Nothing you say will justify it. Let it go. They're making themselves out to be supid idiots, please don't try to justify it, as it puts you in the same arena.
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Muslims dont support to depict of any Prophet.We dont portray Jesus,Moses in a cartoon.Because we are respectful.Because our religion says that. |
Not trying to offend anyone or start a flame but part of the reason they drew the cartoons is because anti Chrisitan cartoons were drawn in some muslim newspaper.
| adiutrix wrote: |
| Not trying to offend anyone or start a flame but part of the reason they drew the cartoons is because anti Chrisitan cartoons were drawn in some muslim newspaper. |
wow, impressive point but I need a reference.
| S3nd K3ys wrote: | ||
Bullshit. Emotional feelings have little to do with physical feelings. Causing death over cartoons is barbaric. Plain and simple. |
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If it was funny, I'd laugh. It's a cartoon. If it was, in my father's case, a man raping my father then claiming he's queer, I'd do physical damage. There's a difference. |
And the last point I agree, it's just not justified (excuse the pun)
iam muslim
and dont accept any cartoons on prophet muhammed
and Moses
and Eissa
all terrorism ocuur in world not >>to prophet muhammed
but there are some people who say that they ar e muslims>>who do that
Except Prophet Muhammed
and dont accept any cartoons on prophet muhammed
and Moses
and Eissa
all terrorism ocuur in world not >>to prophet muhammed
but there are some people who say that they ar e muslims>>who do that
Except Prophet Muhammed
| SunburnedCactus wrote: |
| No, my freedom finishes where my freedom wants to. |
if i want to kill anyone,could i do?
You said your freedom finished where your freedom wanted to.
I dont agree with you.
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| Protesting is fine.
Burning buildings and causing death is not. |
You photoshoped this one S3nd. I refuse to believe someone could openly display their inability to think in such a blatant manner. I mean, look! There are people behind the fellow, wouldn’t someone say, “hey stupid…….”. Is that a little kid? He looks familiar, was he in that picture of the home that was destroyed by the US missile that left the mortar round I the rubble?
Regardless, this crap only reduces Islam’s credibility. If this is what happens when they get angry over a cartoon I guess the Islam world is only mildly annoyed by the US presence in the golf. I guess it is just rite out BS that any Muslims believe the US is trying to destroy Islam.
Take those two worries out of the worry drawer.
BEHEAD ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN BEHEADING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm Finnish, and now there are some recommendation from our Ministry for Foreign Affairs about travelling to some of the Islamite countries. All because of this cartoon-episode and because Denmark happenes to be near Finland. I think Danish should apologise, but even more I believe, that no muslims or ANY other religious movement should NOT use violence to make their point clear. There will never be understanding and real solidarity between people and religions when there's terrorism and fear.
If we always just try to get even we will never get even. I don't know about other religions, but in my religion hate is a sin, and revenge is in God's hands, not mine.
(my English is way too poor, and I really hope, that I did not use some phrase that was impolite. I had to use dictionary, and I hope that I found the right words)
If we always just try to get even we will never get even. I don't know about other religions, but in my religion hate is a sin, and revenge is in God's hands, not mine.
(my English is way too poor, and I really hope, that I did not use some phrase that was impolite. I had to use dictionary, and I hope that I found the right words)
So, with that respective,everytime i get to Rhodes (Greek island) and i get a message in my cell saying "Welcome to the beautiful Turkish islands" i should burn/hit/kill a Turk or a muslim,since his freedom of speach insaults my patriotism?
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| I'm Finnish, and now there are some recommendation from our Ministry for Foreign Affairs about travelling to some of the Islamite countries. All because of this cartoon-episode and because Denmark happenes to be near Finland. I think Danish should apologise, but even more I believe, that no muslims or ANY other religious movement should NOT use violence to make their point clear. There will never be understanding and real solidarity between people and religions when there's terrorism and fear.
If we always just try to get even we will never get even. I don't know about other religions, but in my religion hate is a sin, and revenge is in God's hands, not mine. (my English is way too poor, and I really hope, that I did not use some phrase that was impolite. I had to use dictionary, and I hope that I found the right words) |
This message is honest and correct.Thanks
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if i want to kill anyone,could i do? You said your freedom finished where your freedom wanted to. I dont agree with you. |
my freind
the qute is not true
i think it is not present in islam
I think that it shouldn't have been done. Especially since it's blasphemous for their religion. But they shouldn't go about killing people in the process. Didn't Mohammed preach peace of some sort?
"They want to know whether Muslims are extremists or not. Death to them and to their newspapers," he said.
Isn't that a charming attitude?
Isn't that a charming attitude?
i think it is wrong for muslims to attack people having anything uncomplimentary to say about their religion. Muslims generally say that Islam is a religion of peace, but it seems to me that the peace comes only when you agree with them! So many terrible things have been said and publioshed against Christ and Christianiy but you certainly don't see christians threaten to kill anyone over that.
The real question is this: CAN ANYONE FIGHT FOR GOD?
The real question is this: CAN ANYONE FIGHT FOR GOD?
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The real question is this: CAN ANYONE FIGHT FOR GOD? |
For some Muslims usually yes ! (terrorists, guerrillas...)
Because of that, some Muslims obviously can show big reactions. They believe they do it for God. For them, it means creating hells on the world.
On the otherside there are good Muslims but they're same group included terrorists.
God is just our refuge.
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| S3nd K3ys wrote: | ||||
I'd love a list. An accurate list. You seem to have a knack for lumping many things together that don't belong. |
Yes, and you seem to have a knack for making unnecessary personal comments. And dismissing things as irrelevant, when they DO belong... but that really doesn't belong here, does it?
Well, I obviously can't give you a comprehensive list of other people commiting violent horrible stuff. But I'll give a short list of a few well known horrible violent conflicts happening in the name of religion... the atrocities here are not being commited on the part of Muslims. The list could be much longer, but I'm sticking to well known, current (or recent anyways)conflicts, in which non-muslims are the problem.
Kosovo: Serbian Orthodox Christians slaughtering Muslims.
Nigeria: Christians slaughtering muslims and animists
Northern Ireland: Protestants and Catholics killing each other
South Africa: Christians, muslims and animists killing 100s of "witches" every year
Uganada: Christian "Lord's army" abducting children to fight and kill
Indonesia, Molucca Isl.s,: periodic outburst of violence, 1000s killed (burned alive in mosques, etc)
Kurdistan/Israel/Egypt/Palestine: Jews, Christians, and yes Moslims, everyone just killing everyone
Rwanda-indigineous Tutsis slaughtering Hutu Christians
Bosnia-Herzegovina-Roman-Catholic & Serbian-Orthodox mostly "cleansing" each other and a few Muslims
There's certainly terrible stuff being done by non-muslims in Sudan... Hitler wasn't a Muslim. What about the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict...
We're not even scratching the surface here. There are countless other examples of human violence and suffering (at the hands of non-Muslims) motivated by race, religion, power, greed...
The reality is, Muslims are people. People do terrible things. It's our nature.
I don't know if anyone noticed, but I haven't even begun to speculate about the situation in the middle-east. It's ugly, and I think there are no easy answers; we may need to be there, or maybe not.
But I DO KNOW that if we believe for even a minute that we need to declare war on a group of people because of their religion... we're on the wrong side. That makes US bigots. That makes us the Hitlers, and them the innocents defending themselves against oppression and tyranny. That's not OK.
Of course the Muslims are protesting about the cartoon! They are being discriminated against with military force! If you back someone into a corner, they react unpredictably!
Violent protest isn't acceptable... but sometimes it's an obvious last resort. What do we expect?
PS-S3nd K3ys- I don't expect the previous list to change your mind. But does it at least soften your heart a little? Does it at least make you sad to know that this stuff just happens? That it happens everywhere all the time? I'm not going to tell anyone what to DO about it (we all make up our own minds about that) but I expect that before we go out and act, we should at least take a moment to let it sink in, that we're not the only ones on the recieving end of injustice... and maybe we could just be sad about it once in a while, instead of just wanting revenge???
I don't think that anything in this post was meant to say that Islam is the only bad thing in the world, because as we clearly know, "terrorism" takes many faces, not just Islam.
However, if you really look at it, Islam does cause an enormous percentage of the world's problems.
However, if you really look at it, Islam does cause an enormous percentage of the world's problems.
I think that It's my job, as a dane, to explain the case as I see it.
Many muslims think that every danish guy likes these pics and that the goverment toled the newspaper to whrite them. now, why should they do that??
As a dane and none religios person I don't like those pictures. But they have nothing to do with Denmark and it's goverment. The newspapers are not being cheked by the goverment before they are published!!!
there is only one person being responseble for the drawings, thats the cheif of the newspapers. NOT the primeminister!!
When they were publishied the first time, noone knew about it. but there was a foolish dansih muslim who took to the middle east to tell about these drawings and first after that the demonstrations began!! many of the pictures that they showed the muslims in the middle east was not from Denmark at all!!! a lot of it is only stuff that's been made up!!!
Althoug there is a misunderstanding, the danish newspaper DID bring those drawings, not the pig, but 12 other drawings, many of them didn't look like the profet, but was danish poletichians, but nobody was angry about them!!
What i think i very wrong in this case is, why would a newspaper make drawings of someone they know, must not be showed to the public? but also, why keep demonstrating when the newspaper has already apologized the drawings? cause the acually has apologized!!!! the ministry has not. and why shoud they? this case has nothing to do with them, exept the fact that it's their people who dies because of this madness!!!
SO, the one who is responsible for the drawings has been apologizing, what more can you claim?? that he will die? but why?
and why should the primeminister of Denmark apologize?? It has nothing to do with Denmark.. so why boycut our merchandises?
And now we know for a fact that France, Germany & Italy brought drawings that was VERY formiliar with the one our newspaper brougt.
So why aren't you boycutting their merchandises? whoud that be too much??
each short!! I do not like these drawings, I think they are wrong to publish. But I also think that many muslims has gone way over the line!!!
many muslims in Denmark and world wide are imbariced about the muslims in the middle east and many muslims heer in Denmark are doing whatever they can to stop this isue
Many muslims think that every danish guy likes these pics and that the goverment toled the newspaper to whrite them. now, why should they do that??
As a dane and none religios person I don't like those pictures. But they have nothing to do with Denmark and it's goverment. The newspapers are not being cheked by the goverment before they are published!!!
there is only one person being responseble for the drawings, thats the cheif of the newspapers. NOT the primeminister!!
When they were publishied the first time, noone knew about it. but there was a foolish dansih muslim who took to the middle east to tell about these drawings and first after that the demonstrations began!! many of the pictures that they showed the muslims in the middle east was not from Denmark at all!!! a lot of it is only stuff that's been made up!!!
Althoug there is a misunderstanding, the danish newspaper DID bring those drawings, not the pig, but 12 other drawings, many of them didn't look like the profet, but was danish poletichians, but nobody was angry about them!!
What i think i very wrong in this case is, why would a newspaper make drawings of someone they know, must not be showed to the public? but also, why keep demonstrating when the newspaper has already apologized the drawings? cause the acually has apologized!!!! the ministry has not. and why shoud they? this case has nothing to do with them, exept the fact that it's their people who dies because of this madness!!!
SO, the one who is responsible for the drawings has been apologizing, what more can you claim?? that he will die? but why?
and why should the primeminister of Denmark apologize?? It has nothing to do with Denmark.. so why boycut our merchandises?
And now we know for a fact that France, Germany & Italy brought drawings that was VERY formiliar with the one our newspaper brougt.
So why aren't you boycutting their merchandises? whoud that be too much??
each short!! I do not like these drawings, I think they are wrong to publish. But I also think that many muslims has gone way over the line!!!
many muslims in Denmark and world wide are imbariced about the muslims in the middle east and many muslims heer in Denmark are doing whatever they can to stop this isue
| Soulfire wrote: |
| Muslims aren't justified for starting riots, they aren't justified for burning buildings down, they aren't justified for bombing people, they aren't justified for sinking ships, they aren't justified for torturing people, they aren't justified for flying airplanes into buildings, they aren't justified for many things they do.
While I understand they are upset, they are taking out their emotions the completely wrong way. It's terrible and disgusting, and I am sick of it. |
Could I just say that it is not muslims, its radical extremists that just so happen to believe in Islam and so hide behind it to try and justify in what they believe in as well as their actions and also the odd few who most muslims say they are not being faithful to their religion. I have many friends that are Muslim are none of them believe in the crap that Bin Laden, Al-Qieda, Abu Hamza al-Masri, etc, believe in. If all Muslims believed this way then there wouldn't be a Muslim Council here (in the UK) in the first place and all muslims would be totally excluded from society which again isn't the case.
I really have no opinion on the publishing of the cartoons although I do believe in free-speech and the newspaper was just trying to test how far they could exceed the boundaries. Granted I do not know why there was such an uproar on publishing the cartoons (if somebody knows please tell me) but either way I see no justification for the demonstrations over the last couple of weeks. The peaceful ones are fine but the ones that threaten death are not. Also I wonder why the uproar has only just happened ? They were published months and months ago and there are many more that haven't been published yet the media has still focused on them.
well.. The cartoons are really insulting for moslems, i must admit. i think it's everyone's right to get angry when they feel insulted, but when the anger have caused a lot of problems, threatening lives of people who don't even related to it, go around and burn everything,etc like what's been happening in several countries .. i think it's already too much. as they always call themselves peaceful, i think there are lots of other "better" way to deliver their protests in peaceful ways. so, is it justified to be angry? yes. is it justified to protest? yes. but is it justified to protest with violence? absolutely not.
First let me say that I have no opinion on the cartoons, this is what i've fount out though...
people have reacted badly to the cartoons. it has caused so much pain and riots and even deaths that why would somebody want to try and create this again? Is their really any need for this... ?
Taken from/Read more here
Peaceful Demonstarating:
And not so peaceful:
(the writing says "terminate those who slander islam"
(protester dressed as a suicide bomber)
I don't understand what is supposed to be so bad about pictures of the Prophet Mohammed so I went looking. I came across these on the internet. please note that some may find them offensive (also note that whilst most that i fount have been taking off the original site google has crawled the site beforehand and added them to google images):
The 12 cartoons
This maybe one, not too sure
Fury also came about from this:
(people thought the above represented prophet Mohammed but can now be clearly seen that it doesn't)
people have reacted badly to the cartoons. it has caused so much pain and riots and even deaths that why would somebody want to try and create this again? Is their really any need for this... ?
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A prominent Iranian newspaper says it is going to hold a competition for cartoons on the Holocaust to test whether the West will apply the principle of freedom of expression to the Nazi genocide against Jews as it did to the caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed. Hamshahri, which is among the top five of Iran's mass circulation papers, made clear the contest is a reaction to European newspapers' publication of Danish cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed, which have led to demonstrations, boycotts and attacks on European embassies across the Islamic world. |
Taken from/Read more here
Peaceful Demonstarating:
And not so peaceful:
(the writing says "terminate those who slander islam"
(protester dressed as a suicide bomber)
I don't understand what is supposed to be so bad about pictures of the Prophet Mohammed so I went looking. I came across these on the internet. please note that some may find them offensive (also note that whilst most that i fount have been taking off the original site google has crawled the site beforehand and added them to google images):
The 12 cartoons
This maybe one, not too sure
Fury also came about from this:
(people thought the above represented prophet Mohammed but can now be clearly seen that it doesn't)
If the Iranians would allow peeps from western civilization join the contest, they'd likely get better cartoons.
A cartoon representing muhammod defiles their religeon. Itz the same to christians and hanging george bush on a cross. People would rebel. being that islam is the fastest growing religeon in the world, i think the rest of us need to move over and make room.
Muslims are just making themselves look bad in the eyes of the majority of people when they get so riled up over a cartoon but turn a blind eye to people who commit murder in the name of Islam.
Which is the bigger blasphemy?
I may want to kill someone if they murdered my family. I really don't care if they draw cartoons about my God, my country or anything else. It doesn't hurt me unless I let it.
Which is the bigger blasphemy?
I may want to kill someone if they murdered my family. I really don't care if they draw cartoons about my God, my country or anything else. It doesn't hurt me unless I let it.
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| Are Muslims justified in staging worldwide protests over cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad? |
Of course they are allowed to protest:
But does the right to protest, give the right do set ambasseys on fire, is that protest or riot? (I will leave that up to you to judge).
How did it all start?
Here in Denmark we have a long tradition og makeing cartoon drawing og almost anything (including The Queen, God, Jesus, you name it), so a newspaper had some drawing made of muhammed.
What happend.....some muslims in denmark complained to the paper, saying they were offended, since it was against islam to picture allah.
The newspaper then published a public appoligy to the muslims, stating they were sorry they have offended them.
Then what happend??
(This is proven fact) Some (fundamentalists??Fanatics?? I don`t know and I don`t judge) Imams took the draweings and pictures from France from a fair in France (where people dress out like pigs) , brought it to the middel east and published down there stating it was how The danes and Denmark looked at Islam.
And as a Dane I know differently, we respect the freedom of religion, we respect other people.
THIS IS TOTALLY AN UN ACCEPTABLE SITUATION!!!
| Lennon wrote: |
| I will stand up for religion against derogatory images.
This is not funny, would not be interesting at all if religious icons were not used, and it disrespects our beliefs. I suggest you replace all those images with url tags for links so we don't have to see them if we decide not to. |
*Sighs* what happened to this world? Freedom of speech, anyone? I've seen the cartoons, and I didn't think they were shocking, they were about the Muslim fundamentalists. But the majority of the muslims (and other believers) don't interprete it this way. You can put a bomb on Jesus head, there won't be so many protests against it as we've seen with the cartoons.
EDIT: sorry for the several posts, my computer was freaking out, and I thought that my post wasn't posted, so I tried again, and again, and again..
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