| Bondings wrote: |
Just to announce that I made some rather big changes to the points system. They are still in the testing phase, though.
What is changed?
-No points are given for the fact of posting itself, only for the length of the posts.
-More points are given per character.
-The maximum limit of Points/frih$ is changed from 2.5 to 3.
Why is it changed?
-A lot of people were posting very short posts with sometimes just a few words instead of posting longer, more interesting, quality posts. I'm always trying to higher the quality of the posts and making these community forums a more interesting place to visit.
-It's not fair to give one Point for posting "yes", while other people only get 2.5 Points for a quality post of a whole page, spending up to an hour to write it. |
Please discuss the Changes to the Points/FRIH$ system in this thread.
Last edited by mOrpheuS on Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:21 pm; edited 3 times in totalNice idea Bondings.I like it and waiting for it.Why dont you increse the maximum points to 5
| chennai wrote: |
| Nice idea Bondings.I like it and waiting for it.Why dont you increse the maximum points to 5 |
That would be a bit too much and make spamming with big copied articles way too attractive.it is quite good
this can stop the short reply~~
| windval wrote: |
it is quite good
this can stop the short reply~~ |
For example yours? 
Looks like my "witty" comments will require a greater deal of depth then. Or maybe more use of bold text... 
I think this idea has some pros and cons.
On the one hand the lenght of post will increase and so the possibility (!) for better Post. But not always are longer Post better Post.On the other users will be forced to write more spam-post. What I mean: Some users do not have the ability to write frequently good posts or don't want to write them. So the amount of short spam could be increased leading to a much more spoiled Forum/thread.
Just my humble opininon...
| SunburnedCactus wrote: |
| windval wrote: | it is quite good
this can stop the short reply~~ |
For example yours?
Looks like my "witty" comments will require a greater deal of depth then. Or maybe more use of bold text... |
I think there is no need to post only long comments just for the sake to get more points. Its not going to eliminate short posts, it will just eliminate the amount of short posts aka. spam couse there will be less reasons for em. 
I just got 0.73 points for closing a duplicate thread... I was wondering how it happened to go below 1
Anyway, I support the idea... however, I vote against increasing max points per post to 3, I think 2.5 is enough. Oh thank the lord this is a great improvement !
I agree ... good idea, though one thing I've noticed ... people who don't have alot to say ... say alot .... therefore, for some ... it won't lead to better posts ... just more of them ... 
That's a good way to increase quality posts. I dont know how frishs/points mod works, but if it possible, you could set a minimal of words/caracters for start to earn frishs/points.
In a long term, you could set another system for award quality posts (i think this system dont exists):
User1 starts a new topic. Other users replays. When the number of replays go along a X number, the User1 starts to earn 0,01 or 0,5 or 0.,0001 frishs/points (you set the value).
You also could award other/firsts "replayers" bealf a greater X number of posts on the topic.
And so one... a chain based system for posts. From this you could set several new ideas for dynamize frihost forum...
:\.
So, you are planning to make it harder for me to gaim FRIH$ by raising the limit :\
Evil.
btw, I hope you don't mind me moving this to announcements and announcifying it.
Last edited by n0obie4life on Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:57 pm; edited 1 time in total
The change seems promising but can't something be done about copy/pasting. Like all the quotes don't count to the amount of points a poster earns. 
I'm completely agree, this is a good form to prevent SPAM
Thank you Bondings, though it will be harder for me to get uber Frih$, I like it!
Personally I don't agree to this new measures. I think there should be a minimum amount of points for every message and then more points for every written character. Another way would be increasing the "per character" points, as for now they are a bit low.
I don't own a full-time Internet connection, so I can't spend much time to write long messages to get few points.
If this measure remains unchanged, I WILL LEAVE frihost, although it's the BEST web-space hoster among the Web I know.
I hope the Admin will take the fair decision.
Sincerely, falconfx
I think it would be great to required a minimum length of characters (words) to recieved point for posting. And there should also be a maximum too, just incase someone decided to try to beat the system by copying and pasting an article that they probably no written themselves and try to get points.
That is my 2.09885301000101 cents worth of inputs. But what ever the frihost admin decided on what need to be done it is fine by me. 
Well i thnk its a great idea Bondings thnx
and what would be better is to have an algorithm that depending on the words you use, the length and other factors, it gives you an x number of points; because as you are saying, I could just write some some some some words words words, and I could could could get get get, more more more points points points. BTW, if you think that I'm doing in pourpose to get more points, I'm not, I'm just explaining, so I don't care if you reduce my points because of the spam spam spam () of this post. But I think that this gives you and idea of what I'm talking about. I like the idea. I support it. I have to agree that it'll help reduce spamming a lot. I also like that people won't be able to walk away from a thread with a whole point even though they posted only 1 word. This thread for example : http://www.frihost.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14629 . I don't think that the quality of the post will get better because of the amount of content. I believe people will certainly try to write more because of the points but not necessarily "better" in conclusion you will get a lot of text but about the quality I'll doubt. I think that there are people who enjoys writing and others not. This is a nice community and even though the desire of making it better is great we cannot forget that everything isn't perfect.
By the way I just edited one of my posts and see that even though I don't make any change I get 0,00037 or so points. I don't know if it was like that before but just in case.
Donlt forget that quality is not the same as the size that you write | midimine wrote: |
| Donlt forget that quality is not the same as the size that you write |
Quantity text, could mean a lot of useless for the forumreader 
Wow just gained 0.037 points with the message 
Sorry had to test the new rules This looks a good plan!!!
Now hope that people stopping with smart posting!
@ midimine: Yeah, Your post is too smile 
| dan751 wrote: |
| I like the idea. I support it. I have to agree that it'll help reduce spamming a lot. I also like that people won't be able to walk away from a thread with a whole point even though they posted only 1 word. This thread for example : http://www.frihost.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14629 . |
I think that the URL that you were referring to is quite funny, wouldn't it be possible just to make a forum that doesn't use Points (if you are using the Mod by Xore then I know that this is possible). It might also move things like this to one place rather than it being located in every forum possible (just an example of what it could do).
About the Points system, I think it'll help. Although I also believe that longer posts doesn't automatically mean that they'll be better than all others. I also think that at the Support Forum you shouldn't be able to recieve points for the simple fact that Topics are always (usually) short-lived therefore no need for them.That's good finally we get more points then 2.5.
I dont like this idea at all. This is too bad for those who have hosting on frihost. Why dont you decrease the per day deduction to, say 0.5 points along with this change ?
| desertwind wrote: |
| I dont like this idea at all. This is too bad for those who have hosting on frihost. Why dont you decrease the per day deduction to, say 0.5 points along with this change ? |
I disagree with you, my website is hosted here on Server 2 and I believe that everyone should contribute towards the community (in this case the forum). We are getting free hosting with no ads, pop-ups, etc, unlimited databases, tonnes of space, etc, which is such a great deal. I really don't know how they can afford it. how do you afford it Bondings?Remaining active in the forum doesn't mean we have to keep on posting to get points. This is not a good idea i suppose. To get points all of us may post anything, coz its always fun to see our points rising. If you really want to increase the quality of the forum, points should be given for how many times a frihoster login to the forum. That will be nice coz reading posts in the forum is good experience and personally I post articles to gain points. I love to read posts from other user. If i read the posts from other users, isn't that I am active in the forum. I think Bondings should think of this.
| saiyeek wrote: |
| Remaining active in the forum doesn't mean we have to keep on posting to get points. This is not a good idea i suppose. To get points all of us may post anything, coz its always fun to see our points rising. If you really want to increase the quality of the forum, points should be given for how many times a frihoster login to the forum. That will be nice coz reading posts in the forum is good experience and personally I post articles to gain points. I love to read posts from other user. If i read the posts from other users, isn't that I am active in the forum. I think Bondings should think of this. |
Thats quite a good idea, although it may prove difficult to write a mod like this as I'm just about sure there isn;t one already out there. The only problem with it is people might not post for the sake of it and also some people might abuse it (by logging in and out continously) whilst after 10 (or 20) posts ~ i forgot ~ you stop recieceing points.I think this is all a good idea to keep people form posting those oh so annoying "Me Too" messages it irritates me when im following a convo cause then i have that many more posts/pages to scroll through to get to anything that has a point to it!
Anyways i have a question for you about this point system, how does it work when you guys purge old posts does your frih$ get removed as well as your points for those posts? Or do you retain your Frih$ that you havent used?
You never lose your Frih$ unless you spend them. Your points are automatically levelled at 45 each day, and then decrease by 1 each day that you do not post.
I like the idea, but I don't think it will bring more quality posts to Frihost. I agree that people will start to write more, but I don't think it would be some quality thoughs.
Also, if there's a way to don't give points for the quoted messages, it would be nice.
Overall, it's a nice idea.
Bondings, thus this excellent o system! Thus havera each time little Spam and flod...! It continues with the good work!
Cumps
| PuNGS wrote: |
| ...I don't think it will bring more quality posts to Frihost. I agree that people will start to write more, but I don't think it would be some quality thoughs. |
I think it is going to make people ramble on more about stuff that most people will not consider "quality".
A good forum has lots of posts and lots of members, and idealy lots of people linking to it; but not necessarily long posts. I personally can't stand long posts.
Say what you want to say and move on.One thing I would like to see is that the max Frih$ per post limit be even higher than three. Though yes, it will be harder with the current point system, I have seen posts that go wayyyy beyond the 2.5 Frih$ cap and could easily go higher and be worth the equvilent of 3 or 4 posts. Also, you may think that it will promote spamming with people creating excessively long posts that actually max out but who would be that desperate about Virtual Money? Just a thought to throw out there.
| smokey4life wrote: |
I think this is all a good idea to keep people form posting those oh so annoying "Me Too" messages it irritates me when im following a convo cause then i have that many more posts/pages to scroll through to get to anything that has a point to it!
Anyways i have a question for you about this point system, how does it work when you guys purge old posts does your frih$ get removed as well as your points for those posts? Or do you retain your Frih$ that you havent used? |
Yes, but depending on how they are removed. However, I certainly won't prune useful topics as they are quite valuable (google) to me.
| Quote: |
| Also, if there's a way to don't give points for the quoted messages, it would be nice. |
This is already implemented. No points are given for quotes.
@lockwolf, I only did this not to promote long posts but to get rid of the "shorties". I mean, the 5 word sentences or smiley posts. By the way, it's now easier to reach 2.5-3 Points as the amount of points per character is almost doubled. You should get 1 point per 2-3 sentences.
I won't make the limit higher than 3 points because it would make spamming way too easy. I would rather manually reward users for long quality posts. At the moment, I only did it like 2-3 times, but this will be easier once I make a special link for it.
@Others, the time to protest is now and not in one month. If you don't like this system, let us/me know why. 1. PROTEST!!!!
2. PROTEST!!!!
3. We can't post quality posts when closing topics.
4. No minimum is boring. It just generates more spam.
- A new user comes in and gains 1 point per post. He has to post 10 posts to get his hosting. He'll get pissed off at 5 and start spamming. THAT'S BAD!!!!
- With the old system, the user would have gained 2 points per post. So, all he needs is the ADVERTISED 5 posts.
So, technically, you are lying with the 5posts and 10 points system, the user ALWAYS has to post >5 posts to get his hosting. And it's near impossible to get the 3 points in total unless you are posting in SOME debate ( which most new users won't bother posting in, MOST not ALL, or whatever, or you copied and pasted some nice chunk of copy and pasted stuff.
Come on, join me. Or you'll all suffer under his evil hands .
Last edited by n0obie4life on Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:11 am; edited 1 time in total It sounds good to me, although I already know people that copy articles just for the sake of points. Oh well, it's not something you can really control.
Nice thoughts.
| Soulfire wrote: |
It sounds good to me, although I already know people that copy articles just for the sake of points. Oh well, it's not something you can really control.
Nice thoughts. |
Yes we can, sending daily warning PMs to them. Then banning them and etc.
That's my favourite job here, banning people. I contributed to quite alot of the banlist here .i say set the max at 5 and disable right paste. i would enjoy getting credit for some of the articles i wrote on ghosts and stuff.
| dysturbedstatic wrote: |
| i say set the max at 5 and disable right paste. i would enjoy getting credit for some of the articles i wrote on ghosts and stuff. |
It's impossible to disable copy and paste. And if we managed to, we'd be sued probably, cause we would have dumped a virus or something.I have to agree that long posts does not mean the same thing as quality posts. It's is really hard to be able to force a user to post thoughtful, grammatically correct, deep posts. Sure, you can make everyone write up super long posts, but that doesn't mean they will be necessarily good ones. Although... you can probably weed out the weak from the hardcore. New members would probably be repelled by the amount of posts you would need.
I can finally write more that a paragraph and get over 2.5 points for it. Whoohoo!
| phileplanet wrote: |
| I can finally write more that a paragraph and get over 2.5 points for it. Whoohoo! |
But it won't be as simple. You have to probably write a 10 paragraph post.A very good move, good news for real and serious members, but bad news for spammers who just drop in few words to stay active.
I think this is a very good thing so that deserving members will get more fri$ in the process. Thanks.
| n0obie4life wrote: |
| phileplanet wrote: | | I can finally write more that a paragraph and get over 2.5 points for it. Whoohoo! |
But it won't be as simple. You have to probably write a 10 paragraph post. |
No, I have already maxed out on probably a 7 sentence paragraph that contained a lot of thought and detail. I think this post here is probably worth at least a point and a half or more. Its not that hard.Excellent idea! Now everyone will have to post big reply's instead of short messages. However, I'm not sure if this wil have the effect you want it to have. Time wil tell.
I wil visit the forum very often, to see if your plans take effect.
Sorry for my bad use of the English language. I'm from the Netherlands, so now you know why...
I think this is an excellent idea. The quality of some posts is very poor and makes reading some threads tiresome. I'm all for it.
I agree with the limit of 3 points per post; however, it would be nice that if someone writes a really useful article they can be awarded extra points in some way. Maybe if you introduce a scoring system for posts and for every 10 individuals that score the post as excellent automatically awards another point to the poster, and if 10 individuals score the post as spam the posted loses all points for the post. Just a thought...
the new point system is a bit difficult.please be a little bit easy on the members
| vignesh_natraj wrote: |
| the new point system is a bit difficult.please be a little bit easy on the members |
| Bondings wrote: |
| @Others, the time to protest is now and not in one month. If you don't like this system, let us/me know why. |
| Bondings wrote: |
| Others, the time to protest is now and not in one month. If you don't like this system, let us/me know why. |
It will be early to say anything about the new point system. We must need at least 15 days to decide, whether the new system is better or not.
We have have to see, whether it increases spams or quality posts. | n0obie4life wrote: |
1. PROTEST!!!!
2. PROTEST!!!!
3. We can't post quality posts when closing topics.
4. No minimum is boring. It just generates more spam.
- A new user comes in and gains 1 point per post. He has to post 10 posts to get his hosting. He'll get pissed off at 5 and start spamming. THAT'S BAD!!!!
- With the old system, the user would have gained 2 points per post. So, all he needs is the ADVERTISED 5 posts.
So, technically, you are lying with the 5posts and 10 points system, the user ALWAYS has to post >5 posts to get his hosting. And it's near impossible to get the 3 points in total unless you are posting in SOME debate ( which most new users won't bother posting in, MOST not ALL, or whatever, or you copied and pasted some nice chunk of copy and pasted stuff.
Come on, join me. Or you'll all suffer under his evil hands . |
I join the protest group | Bondings wrote: |
Just to announce that I made some rather big changes to the points system. They are still in the testing phase, though.
What is changed?
-No points are given for the fact of posting itself, only for the length of the posts.
-More points are given per character.
-The maximum limit of Points/frih$ is changed from 2.5 to 3.
Why is it changed?
-A lot of people were posting very short posts with sometimes just a few words instead of posting longer, more interesting, quality posts. I'm always trying to higher the quality of the posts and making these community forums a more interesting place to visit.
-It's not fair to give one Point for posting "yes", while other people only get 2.5 Points for a quality post of a whole page, spending up to an hour to write it. |
A great change, I love it. Finally the short answers will be away. I know that this is gonna be good and many peoples are gonna get glad about it.
Greetings
Sondrei like the idea ,
but the user should still be able to make small post, even if doesnt gets points,
cuz seriously i would not like to read a thread with 20 replies , when each post is one page long ,
even 4 lines can make a good post , although they wont get big points for it , but as bondings said ,he would give points to good posters , that is a good move ,
yeah.... you cant expect everyone to write pages of stuff. now most people will try to cram as much as possible into a post in order to get max points. this makes the post large and thus people tend to skip it. but as it is a trial lets see how it goes
-- notice that under the old system my answer woud have been, " yeah, lets try it out" I think this is a good idea. Like the post I'm making now will get less points than normal because it's not overly long. Hopefully this will work to stop short posts.
its a good system, but obviously you cant count in integers, because you will get those short posts and those long posts!
perhaps make a large change on what the points are worth and make the points have a larger range, as in make points worth less than they are now, but make letters worth more points, in effect its like using decimal points extensively, but its alot easier to see and understand (hope that makes sense haha)
Ill agree with the owner...because it is his site. Although, I must admit, spam is what truly defines a forum's character. Personally, I think resistance is futile, but it is a brave effort. Good luck trying to do what I could never.
Seems like a good idea, but there is one caveat; sure, this new point system could encourage people to make longer posts in an attempt to earn more points, or it could push people to make more, short, low quality posts.
Personally, I don't think you can enforce quality by updating the point system. There will always be people who post one-liners in forums - you'll never get around that. No offense or anything, Bondings. Its not good write 3 phapraphy and give about 1 points very very low. not good idea or you change down point level 1 days down 0.5 point ?? its possible ?
I officially like the new system, it seems a lot more fair. I often write full paragraph responses and feel that if I had broken it up into multiple posts I would have been given more frih... good one admin. However, I wish the total points wouldn't have to be limited so much even with the occasional person who ruins it... I think mods could take care of it.
Aw well my 2c. | cepher wrote: |
| Ill agree with the owner...because it is his site. Although, I must admit, spam is what truly defines a forum's character. Personally, I think resistance is futile, but it is a brave effort. Good luck trying to do what I could never. |
The owner told you to protest if you hate it .
@ Bondings
Can we just put back the minimum of 1 FRIH$ / post? I don't really care about the rest.i honestly dont think you get enough for each post. I really dont know how many points or whatever you need to keep it for a day, but when i post a paragraph or so and get about 1? i like the old way before. Though, you could spam and get alot of cash, you still can. All you need to do is fill the whole box up with a ton of spam, then edit it and take alot of it away. Why couldnt everyone just do that to get aton of points and credits and all that cool stuff, but look completely innocent. . . Doesnt seem right. Now im not sure if that would work or not, ive never tried, but i believe it would. So anyways, i think you should go back to the way the system was set up before.
Nice idea. Good to see that a shitty post such as this won't be giving me an entire point now
edit - @ Landshark: the only people on these boards I see spamming are people who joined less than a month ago and have almost half the postcount as me... these changes should [hopefully] be for the better.
Last edited by ignition on Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:44 am; edited 1 time in total Already now the maximum of points per day continues to be the 45 or changed nº of points? I am the reply wait!
| asturmas wrote: |
Already now the maximum of points per day continues to be the 45 or changed nº of points? I am the reply wait!
|
No, the maximum is still 45. It's just that the amoutn of points you can earn / post is being changed and the amount of points/FRIH$ you get / post is changed too.
And obviously, some Frihosters are protesting against it (esp me).I don't see any negatives to this. I'll post as I usually do and keep a positive balance. I've selected frihost as my webhost, not because of the space and bandwidth, but for the community, too. I'll plug along as usual and I'm sure this new assessment will not affect me negatively at all.
...but you never know...
cant you give 1 frih$ when you post a reply of over 10 words or something. that will keep the replies decent and placate noobie4life a little
OTOH i dont care about the points, i usually post when i find something i can reply to, so it doesnt matter to me much | srijit wrote: |
| cant you give 1 frih$ when you post a reply of over 10 words or something. that will keep the replies decent |
I agree. A short reply may be sufficient for many posts. | n0obie4life wrote: |
| Can we just put back the minimum of 1 FRIH$ / post? I don't really care about the rest. |
I disagree. Too many people put 1 or 2 word posts in. This is neither beneficial to the thread or the community; and it certainly shouldn't qualify as a days free hosting!Incidently, I got 0.78 points for the previous post. I think that is generous for less than 2 lines of text!
| SoftStag wrote: |
| n0obie4life wrote: | | Can we just put back the minimum of 1 FRIH$ / post? I don't really care about the rest. |
I disagree. Too many people put 1 or 2 word posts in. This is neither beneficial to the thread or the community; and it certainly shouldn't qualify as a days free hosting! |
If a post is > 10 words, then the 1 FRIH$/Points per post minimum is back. That's okay? | n0obie4life wrote: |
| If a post is > 10 words, then the 1 FRIH$/Points per post minimum is back. That's okay? |
OK, I would be happy with that. Also happy with the new process. I just don't think excessively short posts should earn 1 point. 10 words can be a useful post though. | n0obie4life wrote: |
| SoftStag wrote: | | n0obie4life wrote: | | Can we just put back the minimum of 1 FRIH$ / post? I don't really care about the rest. |
I disagree. Too many people put 1 or 2 word posts in. This is neither beneficial to the thread or the community; and it certainly shouldn't qualify as a days free hosting! |
If a post is > 10 words, then the 1 FRIH$/Points per post minimum is back. That's okay? |
Are you saying that it is back, or that it will be put back soon?I'm hoping it'll be put back, as a matter of fact.
| n0obie4life wrote: |
| I'm hoping it'll be put back, as a matter of fact. |
i dont think bonding will change it , since many people like the new system | Quote: |
| The change seems promising but can't something be done about copy/pasting. Like all the quotes don't count to the amount of points a poster earns. Cool |
I can understand your concern, but there are two problems:
1) As Bondings has stated, this is already implemented
2) This leads to people simply not using QUOTE for their ripped articles
I really think that someone posting a ripped tutorial, not in quotes, no source given, should be instantly and permentantly banned, or at the very least banned for a few days. Frihost doesn't need such blatant spamming and it's becoming a real problem.
There's no way an automated system is going to control spamming; I personally don't care how many points or FRI$ I get because I'm always OK on points and $FRI are pretty worthless anyway. The only solution to spamming is to warn and ban; short posts can be just as good as long rambling ones and the system doesn't account for wit, utility or relevance so it's always go to screw someone and spam's not going to go away. Good forums require the human element as well.well, at first of course, most people are just mad ad it and just want the wuick points so they dotn have to write a bunch of crap. however, the more i think about it, the more i think that would do the same. I mean, yuor giving us 250 free mgb..10 gb BW....and its awsome../i in conclusion, i think that it is more than fair and support it 100%..even thuogh i have to post more..lol
I like the idea if its over 10 words than it should be 1 frih$. But for 2 maybe you should have to post like 25 or 30 or maybe even 40 words. When i make a post and i see i earned a decimal it makes me sad =(. . . jk but really they should increase it just a little more
And what about quotes? Are these including to the points you earn?
I mean: if I should quote the text of the person who wrote above me, I should have a lot more characters (and words).
Sometimes you see an awnser to the question just one post above, and in my oppinion such quotes should become forbidden: why quoting if it's just readable above? I suggest quoting is good when you awnser a question that is asked a few post, or a page or something back, or for example a single sentence out of a whole text.
Are quotes included to the points you earn, or not?
Just wondering...
Stop fooling around n0ob. You are just overreacting.
I do support this new chnages to the fullest.
Here's one suggestion to calm n0ob down, maybe increase the minimum points earned to 0.5 from 0. That will (or maybe) calm n0ob somewhat.
But I dont find anything wrong with the changes & a good job Bondings | n0obie4life wrote: |
| cepher wrote: | | Ill agree with the owner...because it is his site. Although, I must admit, spam is what truly defines a forum's character. Personally, I think resistance is futile, but it is a brave effort. Good luck trying to do what I could never. |
The owner told you to protest if you hate it .
@ Bondings
Can we just put back the minimum of 1 FRIH$ / post? I don't really care about the rest. |
I am 100% aggred with n00bie on this one. The 0.65871 just seems wrong. The rest is ok though. | Bondings wrote: |
Just to announce that I made some rather big changes to the points system. They are still in the testing phase, though.
What is changed?
-No points are given for the fact of posting itself, only for the length of the posts.
-More points are given per character.
-The maximum limit of Points/frih$ is changed from 2.5 to 3.
Why is it changed?
-A lot of people were posting very short posts with sometimes just a few words instead of posting longer, more interesting, quality posts. I'm always trying to higher the quality of the posts and making these community forums a more interesting place to visit.
-It's not fair to give one Point for posting "yes", while other people only get 2.5 Points for a quality post of a whole page, spending up to an hour to write it. |
This is all a great idea but i feel looking here the biggest thing missing for me personally is a place that quite plainly and visibly informs members how many points and or valuable posts they have possibly also how many remaing until free webspace is accessible. Well if there is one and im blind or dumb and missed it let me know or tell me if you like this idea im always interested to hear and make suggestions. Thanks keep up the great work this service sounds amazing, cool forums to hang out at as well. Cant wait to post up a page i made once i get my webspace (fingers crossed lol ) anyhow anyone heard of joomla if not check out my other posts it can help in webpage creation. Take it easy hope this info somehow helps. | Bondings wrote: |
Just to announce that I made some rather big changes to the points system. They are still in the testing phase, though.
What is changed?
-No points are given for the fact of posting itself, only for the length of the posts.
-More points are given per character.
-The maximum limit of Points/frih$ is changed from 2.5 to 3.
Why is it changed?
-A lot of people were posting very short posts with sometimes just a few words instead of posting longer, more interesting, quality posts. I'm always trying to higher the quality of the posts and making these community forums a more interesting place to visit.
-It's not fair to give one Point for posting "yes", while other people only get 2.5 Points for a quality post of a whole page, spending up to an hour to write it. |
Sorry im such a newb first post and didnt realize its in your post info... Very embarassed Sorry. Wow i feel dumb.
This is all a great idea but i feel looking here the biggest thing missing for me personally is a place that quite plainly and visibly informs members how many points and or valuable posts they have possibly also how many remaing until free webspace is accessible. Well if there is one and im blind or dumb and missed it let me know or tell me if you like this idea im always interested to hear and make suggestions. Thanks keep up the great work this service sounds amazing, cool forums to hang out at as well. Cant wait to post up a page i made once i get my webspace (fingers crossed lol ) anyhow anyone heard of joomla if not check out my other posts it can help in webpage creation. Take it easy hope this info somehow helps.I've always been lost on this whole point system deal. But, whatever. I'll keep making posts. Sometimes a one or two-lined response is all I can give, though. Many of the posts made in the General Chat forums are simple like this.
I don't like forums anyway. I'm more of a blog person. Yet, I'm willing to contribute to this community because I like how it works. This is a great idea I believe. I was posting my butt off for awhile and noticed that some of my longer posts were not making as much as some of my short posts. So this is good.
I have been very busy doing lot's of work on my site, and my own forum needs constant attention... lol But I love this forum and the benefits are outstanding! These young minds here are the most interesting young people around today! I know, I have much experience in this area.
| simplyw00x wrote: |
| Quote: | | The change seems promising but can't something be done about copy/pasting. Like all the quotes don't count to the amount of points a poster earns. Cool |
I can understand your concern, but there are two problems:
1) As Bondings has stated, this is already implemented
2) This leads to people simply not using QUOTE for their ripped articles
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He said the time to protest is now. Not later.
| babumuchhala wrote: |
Stop fooling around n0ob. You are just overreacting.
I do support this new chnages to the fullest.
Here's one suggestion to calm n0ob down, maybe increase the minimum points earned to 0.5 from 0. That will (or maybe) calm n0ob somewhat.
But I dont find anything wrong with the changes & a good job Bondings |
1 FRIH$ is perfection. 0.5 is okay.
And the lack of points being earnt is horrible.
@ Bondings, I think it's impossible to see who wants the minimum earnings to be increased to "1" or 0.5 per post or just stay at zero. Or 1point/frih$ for posts above 10 words.
We should have a new topic to vote for it.For years I have been telling my girlfriends that length doesn't necessarily mean quality.
Now all my good work is being undone by this draconian new policy.
The pithy one-liner is sometimes a lot more fun than pages of stream-of-consciousness drivel which some of the more self-obsessed contributors go for.
Now I suppose I am only going to get half-a-point for this work of genius whereas some bore-monster will get three just for writing about what he heard in his psychology lecture this morning.
I think that the new changes are quite good but it is meant to be quality that matters not quantity and no offense bondings because i really like the new changes but there are some things about that update that i would like changed
A change i would want is a system that can pick out the quality of the post not the quantity although i dont think any software with such a system is available yet although if it is i would like it on the forums. Oh and by the way, the points are the best part While I agree with what you're trying to do, I think this change will increase spamming, and not necessarily improve post quality.
As others have said, in some cases, a few words is all that's required to reply to a post. This change is likely to make people quote large pieces of text by typing something like....
OtherUser Said:
"Quoted Text...."
Instead of using the proper | OtherUser wrote: |
| Quoted Text...." |
I think it would be better to keep a minimum post score (it could be reduced to, say 0.75 points comfortably) but by keeping the maximum point gain per post at 3 points would keep people posting longer if it was possible. I would then suggest that you add more functionality for the moderators - let them reduce people's points if they think the person is using one-word-replies too often, or (my personal pet hate) they're not typing any real language.
By that, I don't mean criticizing people who don't speak English as their first language, more like people who type like this. This is clearly not a quality post, and it's because the user hasn't bothered to type real words, going instead with Text-Message (SMS Cellphone Message) jargon.
I think the changes are a good idea in theory, but I don't think they'll necessarily have the desired effect - people who are only posting to keep their hosting accounts will just post twice as much, with the same (bad) content. If Moderators had the power to reduce scores for bad postings, I think there'd be a real improvement. | wumingsden wrote: |
| saiyeek wrote: | | Remaining active in the forum doesn't mean we have to keep on posting to get points. This is not a good idea i suppose. To get points all of us may post anything, coz its always fun to see our points rising. If you really want to increase the quality of the forum, points should be given for how many times a frihoster login to the forum. That will be nice coz reading posts in the forum is good experience and personally I post articles to gain points. I love to read posts from other user. If i read the posts from other users, isn't that I am active in the forum. I think Bondings should think of this. |
Thats quite a good idea, although it may prove difficult to write a mod like this as I'm just about sure there isn;t one already out there. The only problem with it is people might not post for the sake of it and also some people might abuse it (by logging in and out continously) whilst after 10 (or 20) posts ~ i forgot ~ you stop recieceing points. |
I also think it was a great idea. But to avoid spamming with logging in and out, couldn't it be possible to give one point for each day you have been logging on and remained logged in for some time.
Would not this be possible? Or what?? | erlendhg wrote: |
| wumingsden wrote: | | saiyeek wrote: | | Remaining active in the forum doesn't mean we have to keep on posting to get points. This is not a good idea i suppose. To get points all of us may post anything, coz its always fun to see our points rising. If you really want to increase the quality of the forum, points should be given for how many times a frihoster login to the forum. That will be nice coz reading posts in the forum is good experience and personally I post articles to gain points. I love to read posts from other user. If i read the posts from other users, isn't that I am active in the forum. I think Bondings should think of this. |
Thats quite a good idea, although it may prove difficult to write a mod like this as I'm just about sure there isn;t one already out there. The only problem with it is people might not post for the sake of it and also some people might abuse it (by logging in and out continously) whilst after 10 (or 20) posts ~ i forgot ~ you stop recieceing points. |
I also think it was a great idea. But to avoid spamming with logging in and out, couldn't it be possible to give one point for each day you have been logging on and remained logged in for some time.
Would not this be possible? Or what?? |
That would mean that you get a days free hosting for just visiting the website and logging on. I think you should have to do more than that; it doesn't promote you contirbuting to the community. | atin wrote: |
For years I have been telling my girlfriends that length doesn't necessarily mean quality.
Now all my good work is being undone by this draconian new policy.
The pithy one-liner is sometimes a lot more fun than pages of stream-of-consciousness drivel which some of the more self-obsessed contributors go for.
Now I suppose I am only going to get half-a-point for this work of genius whereas some bore-monster will get three just for writing about what he heard in his psychology lecture this morning. |
Well said!
I wonder how many points I get for this one?I think this is a worthy improvement. Knowing that the FriHost Team will have to rely on an algorithm of some sort as an objective manner to award points, the best algorithm will never (in this millennium) be able to assess the quality of writing posted. (I know, I’m a writing teacher.) Additionally, the FriHost Team has higher priorities related to their management of the system than to “judge” and read each posting to grade its quality. We’ll just have to live, and accept, an imperfect world. Those who want to “cheat” the system will try no matter what. As per the rest of us, I feel most posts are earnest and generally thoughtful.
Falconfx, if you don’t have a permanent connection to the Internet, please think about briefly reading the topics that interest you, log off, compose your thoughts on a word processor and then log back on, cut and paste. That might help you with the online limitations. No need quit, bro!
i am a new user here but i want to write my opinion...
i want create a website and i am here because of this...
the old system was better for me, because i can achieve needed point faster...
but it musnt be the same amount point to be taken from an answer like "good" and a longer writing...
but ofcourse it doesnt always mean that longer is better but, i think this method is better This idea works in theory, but it gets rather frusterating when you can answer in just a few sentences using only a line and reciving 0.2151 FriHost dollars
However it appears to be effective, and i like the more points per character thing. Before i thought it was based on the number of words, so i would not use abbreviations...now i gotta use bigger words Is it just me, or are there less posts than usual around here? 
How'z it Dustin,
If ya gonna use dem big word, ya better what out for prolixity.
P.S.
FriHost Team... this reply is worth "zero points" cause is adds nothing to the conversation, but it does add a chuckle and some tongue and cheek. Well there have been some good posts here. I would like to agree with different points of previous posters:
1. I get tired of the me too and smiley posters that just want to see their name on every forum without making a contribution. It happens on everyother board that I am a member of. So I hope your solution works to rid the board of them.
2. Longer posts are not necessarily better posts. Some people have nothing to contribute no matter how many words they use. On the other hand a technical reply can be short crisp and invalvuable to everyone.
3. Points - however you want to score it is fine by me. I really appreciate what you are trying to do here. But social engineering is a complex art and I am sure you are going to fine tune this often.
Good Luck and Thanks
This is good.
I, for one, hate these short little quips of replies.
"This is cool, Mkay Mkay." And that's it. It's just plain retarded... literally.
Now perhaps people will actually be forced to have an opinion that's they have to back up 
! Oh my!
Brilliant, guys. Hi,
I'm quite Ok with these new rules as I'm one of those that takes a long time to post... because for one most of the time I read all the posts before answering, and also because english isn't my mothertongue. I would even prefer if the max of points taken is more than 3 !!!
But what I wasn't aware of is that Quote is counted for the point taken ! Well, it sure will encourage Quoting ! I nearly did, but well... i'm too honest I guess !
| Dustin wrote: |
| This idea works in theory, but it gets rather frusterating when you can answer in just a few sentences using only a line and reciving 0.2151 FriHost dollars |
A few sentances will earn you more than that. Try 10 times more than that.HERE's an OFFTOPIC suggestion for this thread
MODS can u please split this thread after the first posts of Bondings from where the discussion starts, abt the new points system.
Bcos its petty annoying, as seeing the unread posts mark on the Announcements Section makes u think there is asomething important stuff waiting to be read.
Please SPlit this to say the Suggestions section please
Well, the Mark all threads read is a nice thing .
I wouldn't split anything without Bondings' permission as he said to protest now ( but never said in this post ) .
On topic -
I think 1 FRIH$ / point / post should come back as it will also make the account creators life EASIER.
I do mean EASIER by EASIER.
I used to take the concept that, 1 post = 1 point. So, if the user has something like 10 posts and 11 points, I'd quickly skim through his posts and then reject it for low quality/short posts. Either one. Now, with the zero point/FRIH$ / post system, it makes it 10x difficult to do it as you can't really tell.
The user might have made 20 posts and only 15 points. Then again, with the old system I'd know that would be 99% of the time rejected. But with the new system, I have to slowly skim through ALL his posts because they can be 3 liners. That slowed down my account processing by 200%.
I normally take up to 30-60 seconds for one account (yes, super fast processing), but now, I have to take up to 2 minutes just to process one. Ratio of 2:1. If it were 60 accounts processed, 120:60. I would have processed 120, ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY accounts with the old system.
Please, change it back! | n0obie4life wrote: |
Well, the Mark all threads read is a nice thing .
I wouldn't split anything without Bondings' permission as he said to protest now ( but never said in this post ) .
On topic -
I think 1 FRIH$ / point / post should come back as it will also make the account creators life EASIER.
I do mean EASIER by EASIER.
I used to take the concept that, 1 post = 1 point. So, if the user has something like 10 posts and 11 points, I'd quickly skim through his posts and then reject it for low quality/short posts. Either one. Now, with the zero point/FRIH$ / post system, it makes it 10x difficult to do it as you can't really tell.
The user might have made 20 posts and only 15 points. Then again, with the old system I'd know that would be 99% of the time rejected. But with the new system, I have to slowly skim through ALL his posts because they can be 3 liners. That slowed down my account processing by 200%.
I normally take up to 30-60 seconds for one account (yes, super fast processing), but now, I have to take up to 2 minutes just to process one. Ratio of 2:1. If it were 60 accounts processed, 120:60. I would have processed 120, ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY accounts with the old system.
Please, change it back! |
NOW thats a pretty valid point mate.
So bondings lets move back to the minimum 1 FRIH$ pere post I made a poll here - http://www.frihost.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=24625
Please vote. Your vote is important. | Bondings wrote: |
Just to announce that I made some rather big changes to the points system. They are still in the testing phase, though.
What is changed?
-No points are given for the fact of posting itself, only for the length of the posts.
-More points are given per character.
-The maximum limit of Points/frih$ is changed from 2.5 to 3.
Why is it changed?
-A lot of people were posting very short posts with sometimes just a few words instead of posting longer, more interesting, quality posts. I'm always trying to higher the quality of the posts and making these community forums a more interesting place to visit.
-It's not fair to give one Point for posting "yes", while other people only get 2.5 Points for a quality post of a whole page, spending up to an hour to write it. |
If the changements are still being tested, isn't that dangerous ro the Frihost wannabes?
Just expressing some very 
deep concernThat’s funny,
In one way I don’t like this new rules because I would like to read short and funny posts. They give dynamic to the forum. Of course, I don’t want to support spam, I just thing that someone cannot always to type long and quality post. In other way this new rules looking like good idea to stop spam, but what with unnecessary quoting?
Between these two ways I am staying on crossroad and waiting for Bondings bus.
Sonam
Good idea bondings.
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long article may not be good,short may be excellent.
This sounds like a good idea.
While it may discourage users who get their points across in less words, it will certaintly get rid of the spam, which is a good thing. | bigdan wrote: |
This sounds like a good idea.
While it may discourage users who get their points across in less words, it will certaintly get rid of the spam, which is a good thing. |
Don't think it'll reduce spam.
People don't post super lengthy posts.
So,a fter 5 posts, they would be like, OMG I DON'T HAVE TEN POINTS YET. Then they start to spam. | n0obie4life wrote: |
| bigdan wrote: | This sounds like a good idea.
While it may discourage users who get their points across in less words, it will certaintly get rid of the spam, which is a good thing. |
Don't think it'll reduce spam.
People don't post super lengthy posts.
So,a fter 5 posts, they would be like, OMG I DON'T HAVE TEN POINTS YET. Then they start to spam. |
Hmmm....good point.
I waited til I had more than five decent posts, and more than 10 points before I applied...I hope there are more people like me about. I doubt it though... | n0obie4life wrote: |
| bigdan wrote: | This sounds like a good idea.
While it may discourage users who get their points across in less words, it will certaintly get rid of the spam, which is a good thing. |
Don't think it'll reduce spam.
People don't post super lengthy posts.
So,a fter 5 posts, they would be like, OMG I DON'T HAVE TEN POINTS YET. Then they start to spam. |
Me too. I dont think it will reduce SPAM but increase, spam. Even after writing 3 lines one dosent get that all essential 2 points. So how the hell is that person gonna apply.
Sometimes SHORT is SWEET & BETTER than utter rubbish ULTRA LONG POST. So bongings either increase the points per character or get the FRIH$ 1/post or at least FRIH$ 0.5/post back please
EDIT: The above post fetched just 1.6 points before this edit. The problem is the Points/Character is set too low and without any minimum points given, the requirement of 2 points per post is literrally impossible to meet without spaming.
Last edited by babumuchhala on Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:39 pm; edited 2 times in totalHere's another example of why this rule-change isn't actually preventing spam:
http://www.frihost.com/forums/vt-24422.html#190028
This guy is putting his signature into the actual message. With high points-per-character, the large number of "-" symbols is probably going to help artificially increase his score.
Obviously, this would still have caused a problem under the old system, but the new points system is making people think of more ways to increase their points since they feel they need to.
I don't really know what the answer is, but I don't think that post quality has improved since the rule-change. I think this could have a few different results.
One, the posts are not neccessarily better. In order to stay active members will have to post more, and that may mean that the posts are not necessarily thought provoking or intersting, but just a mundane post to stay active.
Two, what about members who cannot speak english very well. This seems to be a fairly international hosting service and this may limit people who can't necessarily write novels in a second or third language.
Third, I think that if the minimum for a post is so low, the maximum has to go up equally. If the minimum is now 0 the maximum should be 3.5. It's only fair to go both ways on the spectrum.
I think it may benifit on the forums with the content. Hopefully subjects will be more creative due to the new regulations.
I take back what i said before, all this has lead to is people quoteing random people in order to leech off their topic. The way it was set up before was much better, now the point system is just rediculus. For this post i'll probably be getting like 1.2, It was much better before I previously said, we need more time to decide, whether new system is better or the previous system was. Who were in favour of new system are now opposing it. This new system will only increase spams, not quality posts. You cannot force someone to created quality post, who cannot. Thus, it will lead them to spam.
The better option is, minimum point for post=0.5 and maximum point of post=3.0
I agee to the fact that quality over quantity is very important nevetheless, there has to be some mechanism for a check over the content rather than the no. of bytes its worth.
regards
Sameer
Being new and new, how is this going to effect my desire to host a website. Earning points to get to a certain level to host websites seems silly but I will play the game, as I am more interested in not paying for the hosting, lol. But thats why alot of us are here right? Well I guess this enough rambling to continue to get the number of points needed so without anything else to say. Email me if you have question.
I think the way to make better content is to have more diverse subjects. It seems that Frihosters are all into exactly the same things and I'm sure there are all sorts of subjects that aren't being talked about. I think that more specific subjects could help not only find things easier, but make conversations more interesting. For example; Literature is a very broad subject. Is there any way that we can have a Literature forum, and then have more genre's within that? Or with gaming, there are many different forms of games out there, not just video games. That could be sectioned off into genres too so that things are easier to find. Same thing with the hosting help, etc.
I'm not sure that this forum allows that sort of thing, but that would probably help more with content. Half the time I find it hard to find what I'm looking for or what I'm interested in.
You have pretty well defined a "quality" post in the rules, but, (maybe I havn't looked enough ) I can't find a definition on how point's are awarded. (how many for this, that or the other type of post.)
But I have seen somewere that 1 point a day is removed for not posting.
I have noticed in my short time here, that all ages and many type's of skill's and skill level's are here as well. Which is a wonderful thing, a very diverse community.
Now, to me, when I come in, if my post is going to be quality, I am going to ask a good question, (to which I have not found an answer by either looking or searching) or I will give an answer to a question someone has asked, and I will not post unless I feel my answer will be helpful.
With that being said,
In most instance's, I have found an answer to my question without having to post. And, since I have not near the skill's as many here have, I dont bring as much to the table in quality post's.
What I am trying to say is, there is a large range of people here, and some of us just dont have the tool's for quality post's as other's do.
So why lose a point a day when I may only recieve a point a week? (just an example)
I hope this has all been takin into consideration in developing the point's system.
I am glad I found this community, I like it here and have learned a lot and enjoy reading a lot of the forum's, and thank you for making it possible to post a site.
InjunMick
ps hope you understand what I was trying to say I think it is a good change, because I really don't like the bogus one liner posts put up just for points: It is a waste of time for everyone.
I find having to post a bit of a drag, but the service provided is good, and it has got me involved in some interesting debates.
Matbe it is worth thinkng about linking to a search engine that can detect if large bits of text are repeated form elsewhere, and not count those bits of text towards points.
i don't know, and how will it be now? how much do we need r=to post to receive points? so it means that if we post a thing, we can also not receive anything at all?
I think from the change that we should be intitled to a lower point deduction of .5 instead of 1.
Even though I see Bondings logic it has alot of floors and I think the site wont beneifit from it. This is only my view but maybe Bondings could increase the amount of points per character even higher so you still have to write a high quality post to receive points....
so a commbo of bold italicts smilies and underlined gives you points .what about images?
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I previously said, we need more time to decide, whether new system is better or the previous system was. Who were in favour of new system are now opposing it. This new system will only increase spams, not quality posts. You cannot force someone to created quality post, who cannot. Thus, it will lead them to spam.
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why before spaming was just as muchI think it's a pity that the posts have to be longer than they used to. I'm all busy writing essays and other stuff so I'm not really fond of writing long text. When I post something I just do it to prove a point, and a point doesn't necessarily have to be two pages. And anyway I think it's silly that you should have to post things to get points to start up your homepage. We're just here to have fun, aren't we? And all the other pages rejected us because we're Swedish.
And they thought we couldn't read. (We can read. We can write, also)
Sometimes you just wish you were a vegetable. A swede. This idea is very good. Especially the two or three word answers. I think the purpose of a forum is to get an accurate and detailed response. The people who spend a long time to post one thing deserve the extra points.I'm not saying I am a great forum user, heck this is my first time. But i can see where this idea is generated.
Oh no.....I'll have to make posts longer.. Perhaps by putting multiple full stops?.... Or by lengthing what I say?..!!
I don't like this one bit...
old system was better. now you have to make 2 or 3 replies to get 1 point. next day you come you lose 1 point. so the system works like this 2.5:1
some users don't have time to make long posts and creat "stories of the day" every day to gain points. if you need to post quality post you will spend more then 20 min writing out your text with all YES; WHY; WHEN; WHO... so what i want to say, that old system was good and no changes are needed. and like noobie said, he lose much more time adding new users to this hosting. to conluded, new system steals time from users. have a nice day.
i am new here hi all and very thanks for that information i love this hosting very much
| petroldevil wrote: |
| i am new here hi all and very thanks for that information i love this hosting very much |
| petroldevil wrote: |
| hooooooooow is that it is ver wierd how i cant believe this lake it is cnn does anyone believe it oh no |
Take those two posts for example. .85 points have been rewarded to petroldevil. If he/she/it keeps posting like that, it'll take a week for him/her/it to reach the limits. | DarkGoku wrote: |
| petroldevil wrote: | | i am new here hi all and very thanks for that information i love this hosting very much |
| petroldevil wrote: | | hooooooooow is that it is ver wierd how i cant believe this lake it is cnn does anyone believe it oh no |
Take those two posts for example. .85 points have been rewarded to petroldevil. If he/she/it keeps posting like that, it'll take a week for him/her/it to reach the limits. |
Not the most useful posts though, are they? The first one is fine, albeit pointless, the second I simply cannot understand....
If you write something that contributes to the community, and is written with reasonable grammar, then there should be no issue in getting points.Okay, so I'm a newbie on this forum, and having read some of the threads, I wanted to see what the rules were concerning earning points towards free hosting. This desire, of course, eventually led me to this particular discussion. I tried to read through the entire 5 pages, but started to get wobbly after the first page of replies. I was under the impression that the "quality" of the post was predicated on some subjective criteria, such as a moderator reading the post and then assigning a value manually. I had no idea there was a logarithm that could be applied to make that determination, and therefore be determined automatically. Weird stuff to an average computer user with few programming skills. And of course, the thought remains in the back of my head, wondering how many points will I receive even for THIS post!
I do want to participate in the forums, but not just make gainsay in threads I'm not that interested in to earn points. And I do want to get to that magic number in reasonable time, so what to do what to do? I am curious to know what the higher-ups in this forum are thinking about as they read this very post. Just out of morbid curiosity...
Well, to make a potentially long post short, I would like a layman's short version of the parameters that make a quality post on this forum. In the meantime, I will start a new thread about a subject I would be interested in hearing feedback on, just to get something rolling.
btw... Thanks for setting up this system, it sounds like it has great potential...
WELL! That was easier than I thought! wooohooooooo... I can't say that I understand how I just got 3 points, but I did and I can't say that I object to that... Still want to get that explanation, if that is possible. Thanks! well i like the idea gj bondings
| alja wrote: |
| I don't think that the quality of the post will get better because of the amount of content. I believe people will certainly try to write more because of the points but not necessarily "better" in |