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Auto Industry - Going to Hell?





evilryu530
So in the mist of all the Ford talk, what do you guys think about the auto industry? where it's headed? what company is leading? what type of car design will be positive, what will be negative? who's taking over? etc... through your thoughts out...

I myself am a import fan, i like nissans, hondas, toyotas, bmws, mercedes...however i own a chevy corvette....that is the only domestic i enjoy... i think that gm and ford are not heading the right direction, althoiugh they will never go bankrupt or disappear, i think they are headed towards a huge restructuring. they just grew tooo big and too much management and burecoracy that they cant decide what to design....i think that japanese got it right, and are controlling the future of the auto world.
godam64
maybe about 90% cars in my country are made in japan like honda, suzuki, isuzu, daihatsu, nissan, but mostly toyota are the best one. they got super quality in product and save a lot of money for the gas cost.
i think now japan cars are leading the market, but several years later i think china would start show their talents in auto industry. Very Happy
LeviticusMky
The recent massive scaling-back of Ford automotive is a healthy thing.

GM just did it a little while ago, and it is indicative of how massively over-extended these companies actually were.

Scaling back is not a sign of sickness, but a sign of getting well. Ford has a massive line of cars and trucks, and is trying to get realistic about competing with much more efficient and streamlined companies like Toyota. I like to think of this less as an amputation of vital limb, more like an amputation of a third arm that isn't needed anymore.
Cookingwithcatherine
Its been awhile since I bought a car, but when I did, I liked ford. I was very sorry to hear at the loss of jobs and not sure how they could not see this coming.
hrtorrent
Ford cars in USA are ugly, terrible ugly. And spanding too much fuel.
Ford cars in Europe are unreliable and comes with terrible engines, especially diesel engines.

I think this reason's are enough to NOT buy Ford.
Soulfire
Ford needs to work on making their models look more like the foreign import cars we seem to like so much. It sort of makes me crestfallen, because it is just another example of our crumbling economy. It's getting weaker and weaker, while other nations are becoming stronger and stronger.

I myself am thinking of buying a Ford, it looks nice and it's a great deal, but I can't really say yet. The CEO of Ford seems to think that this restricting will be a "temporary" thing to "ensure growing profits in the future." Almost as if it's a dynamic, living, and breathing thing. This is just a recession, hopefully things will bounce back.
yatria
Especially JEEP's like ford cars are left behind

Too much fuel spending, less horse power than other companies
only design is somehow still good...
illini319
when american cars approach the quality of many foreign imports... then maybe we'll see a brightening of the U.S. auto industry. it's really that simple, at least to me. i love the commercials on domestic cars that tout "best in initial quality" KEY WORD: initial. they ask people within days from when they bought their car! what's the margin of error on that question. Now.. ask them after 30K miles, 60k miles, 90k miles (can most american cars even make it to here?), 100k+ miles.... then we'll see. Toyota has the right idea (and are perhaps ribbing domestic cars in the process). Their slogan for their corolla is: the best reason for buying a corolla is having owned it in the past. then they show real people who have corollas that have over 250k+ miles on it. that is an insane amount of mileage...

just simple: look at the resale value of an american over the course of 5 years. now look at a japanese import, like toyota, in the same class over the same number of years.
evilryu530
i cant understand why domestics (gm and ford) can't design well cars. I mean, the only great car ford did is the mustang, thats my opinion. i mean, they sell those like hot cakes. the newest ones are well designed, crafted, stylish, and have a balance of power and looks, and affordability. Need I add the new ford design/look was lead be a cheif engineer who was asian. ( no racism, that's just a fact) They need to make more cars like that. as for the third arm thing, u might be right, but why did they go so big only to cut 30,000 jobs later on? thats a shit load of families, kids, parents, wives, and husbands that will be affected. you're talkin about no money for food, shelter, gas, etc... it's real lives they are affecting. i think as americans, we aren't thinking globally enough in the long run. i have no doubt we'lll still be the power of the world, it's just at what price. Same as GM, who is going to pick up the work force that has been left behind by GM, Ford, and Hurrican Katrina?
Zuwiki
I don't need a car. I live in my cave of a basement where my computer is located. School is the only time I leave.

I even buy me groceries online! Very Happy

Just kidding, there's a Safeway 3 blocks from my house.
LoveMachine
From the outside, what happened at Ford seemed to be just another re-organization or a major company. While they did appear that they laid off a few more people than they had to, you have to remember the economic status of the world right now. It's hitting the fan all over place, and we've only had our eyes drawn to Ford thanks to the media. I can't imagine what went on while our backs were turned...
mike4652
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While they did appear that they laid off a few more people than they had to

The thing that bothers me the most is when people start loosing their jobs.
Here in the US we are going to bargin our selves right out of a job.
We look to foreign imports to save a dollar. But what we are really doing is bargining ourselves right out of a job.
We need to wake up and support our own industry.
Learn to be self supporting agin.
evilryu530
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Learn to be self supporting agin.


amen my brotha....
Vrythramax
evilryu530 wrote:
thats a **** load of families, kids, parents, wives, and husbands that will be affected. you're talkin about no money for food, shelter, gas, etc... it's real lives they are affecting.


This is this first thing I thought of when I heard about the layoffs was the families affected. In the middle of the winter no less. I could care less about Fords future profit standing. When a company gets as large as Ford has become, don't they also have some kind of responsibility to the workers and thier families? I'm no socialist or anything like that, but it was the work of those people that are being left in the cold that made Ford what it is today and it just seems, on the surface anyway, that they [Ford] are turning thier corporate backs on those who made them what they are in the first place.

Take care Ford, you may need those people again someday and they may not be willing to help you.
ocalhoun
Imported cars may be decent, however I hate imported trucks.
How long have ford, chevvy, dodge, and jeep been building real trucks? (not those puny pickups)
How long have the forigners been building them?
Is it to be wondered that domestic trucks are ALWAYS better?


Also, for a little ranting:
I very much hate the TV ads pointing out the marginal ways in which toyota's tundra is better than F-150. (more horsepower, bigger bed) If a F-150 is not good enough for you, get a f-250! If that's not good enough: F-350, and so on untill you have a F-850. Where's their bigger tundra? It dosen't exist!
As far as I'm concerned the ford 7.2L diesel V8 is the best commonly available engine you can get.
illini319
ocalhoun wrote:
As far as I'm concerned the ford 7.2L diesel V8 is the best commonly available engine you can get.


I don't know enough about engines to intelligently comment about this one, so I'll have to just go with it. But.. the engine is still bolted on to a Ford.
illini319
mike4652 wrote:
Quote:
While they did appear that they laid off a few more people than they had to

The thing that bothers me the most is when people start loosing their jobs.
Here in the US we are going to bargin our selves right out of a job.
We look to foreign imports to save a dollar. But what we are really doing is bargining ourselves right out of a job.
We need to wake up and support our own industry.
Learn to be self supporting agin.


the U.S. economy has to re-tool period. our glory days as a manufacturing giant have been over. long over. did you miss china? to stay atop the economic heap we must maintain our lead in high tech industries and beyond. we must always lead. not look to regain the days of 'when it was good.' looking back means not looking forward.

i agree with you... they are giving the shaft to many families. I would say that it is their civic responsibility to provide these families other opportunities. educate them; re-tool them; something which allows them to become a marketable worker in today's fast evolving economy. the 'i hate change' slogan is just plain stupid. change is the only thing one can rely upon.
Jazz
China are starting to take control, not only in auto and that but also in economony and although U.S.A and Britain etc. are quite a way ahead in 40 years or so if the countrys stay like this they will almost certainly be overtaken by china.

Another point, I think Japan has some good cars and some bad cars, not mentioning so i wont put you off some cars, but as i was saying Japan are really doing well in auto business and they will stay near the top, but China may over take them, as i said earlier, because they are starting to make an effect on the world and i bet most of your electronic things are made china, that is proof of China starting to grow more powerful in business.
mike4652
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our glory days as a manufacturing giant have been over. long over.

Yes they are over. But only because we opened up free trade.
That opened the door for the big corporations to build products cheeper over seas. That is when our jobs went down the drain.
We need to bring industry back to the USA.
illini319
mike4652 wrote:
Quote:
our glory days as a manufacturing giant have been over. long over.

Yes they are over. But only because we opened up free trade.
That opened the door for the big corporations to build products cheeper over seas. That is when our jobs went down the drain.
We need to bring industry back to the USA.


that won't fix it either. i'll give you one example. at least two major models of toyota camry's are made; one made in japan and the other made in kentucky (that would be U.S.). The U.S. model is called Camry American edition. So now we have two cars, essentially the same, except one made by the Japanese, and one made by union workers in our great country. Of course, both are Toyota and hence both are sold in their dealerships. My question to you is, which one do you think has higher resale value, deemed higher quality? The answer, however unfortunate, is obvious.

Free trade is an inevitability. We are not an island. Trade, by its very definition, requires two groups with different things to offer, exchanging. Many foreign car companies make many of their cars here. that equals american jobs. sometimes there is no drop in quality. many times it does. so what does that say about the average american quality product versus one from another country?

It says that the problem facing american industry, like the auto industry, is not primarily due to opening up trade. It goes far deeper than that. It goes into territory that isn't popular to talk about; IMO unions and work ethic.

Mercedes-Benz and Volvo, two european car companies, have long been considered luxury class high quality imports. of course, ford owns volvo now, and Daimler-Chrystler is a merged company. For both companies, this meant that they didn't have to pay expensive import tarriffs since cars would be made here. For the U.S., that means more american jobs. Within five years of these mergers, many independent car reviewers downgraded the quality of many of the cars from these two companies. why is that, you think?
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