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Sephiroth's history (FFVII - 7)






Who is the cooler?
Cloud (FFVII)
42%
 42%  [ 8 ]
Sephiroth (FFVII)
31%
 31%  [ 6 ]
Tidus (FFX)
5%
 5%  [ 1 ]
Squall (FFVIII)
15%
 15%  [ 3 ]
Laguna (FFVIII)
5%
 5%  [ 1 ]
Total Votes : 19

saga87
Very Happy hello! I just wanna host my game site, so I'll post some topics.

Does anyone here who played Final Fantasy VII understood Sephiroth's real history??? I mean, it is a real big picture to figure it out... so here's my understanding under that, tell me if it is correct:

- Hojo (and Gast, if I recall...) discovered JENOVA cells on the Northern Crater;
- Professor Gast and that girl I can't remember the name had a daughter (Aerith);
- Hojo and Lucrecia had a son (Sephiroth), and while she was pregnant, Hojo injected the JENOVA cells right into her womb;
- Vincent was Lucrecia's secret lover, and for that being discovered, Hojo killed him (or sent someone to do it) and transformed him into what we know now;
- As a way to create powerful SOLDIERs, Hojo cloned Sephiroth several times, and one of them was Cloud Strife (is it true???);

Now my understanding:

Sephiroth didn't had a normal childhood because of his abnormal strenght and abilities, and grew up into Midgar's labs. Later, Sephiroth was older, and joined the SOLDIER from Shin-Ra Co. and fought into the Great War (against Wutai??? That's what I remember...), becoming the war-hero he would be known.
While that, Cloud Strife was going off Nibelheim and heading Midgar, to join SOLDIER and wishing to become as "master Sephiroth". He got in very well, and five (and not seven as Cloud lied to himself...) years ago, he, Zax, another SOLDIER and Sephiroth were sent to Nibelheim to check a defective reactor.
They fall from a bridge and Sephiroth gets a little wacky, and they go on, with Tifa as their guide. Getting there, Seph realizes he is the son of JENOVA and that the planet is of his own, and gets mad and tries to become a God, going to the Life Stream...

There is something I don't understand: somewhere in the game, Hojo tells you that the real Sephiroth, the good one, died on the war, and that they took him to the Northern Cave and freezed it there. Then they cloned Seph so that the great soldier would stay alive, and that is the one we know???

Somebody could please discuss this with me??? Thanx! Razz
PuNGS
The one I most like is Sephiroth, however I never played FF X.

The only thing I understood from FF VII was that the game was played from Aeris point of view. Doesn't it make sense? That's why she appeared at the ending...
saga87
Hmmm, It could be... yeah! I never tought that way. Oh, and Aeris had an affair with Zax, remember? When Cloud first meets her (she is selling flowers, right after the bombing mission) she says "You remind me my old boyfriend..."

FFX is veeeeeeeeeeery cool man! The battle system is amazing, almost looks like an action game rather than a RPG battle (very fast). The graphics are stunishing! The character have facil movements and voices! UAAAAAAAAHAHHAHA!!!

Anyway, thanx for the answer, hope someone gives their point of vision too. Very Happy By the way, I'm from Brasil too!

Atι mais!
Kelcey
I never cared much for any of them... but I guess I'd like sephiroth the most.
Hanpusu-kun
Cloud is the shit.
Anyway, those facts I didnt now xD
But anyway, if you like FF VII you should get these upcoming sequels (sort of).
PuNGS
What FF VII upcoming sequels? The only I know of is the movie Advent Children...

Final Fantasy VII, in my opinion, is the best form Final Fantasy series, although I never played FF X... After VII, the one I liked most was FF VI for SNES... Shadows rocks! Cool I didn't like FF VIII and IX... I think they are a bit empty...

@saga87: Yes, Aeris was Zack's girlfriend. Right after Sector 5's destruction she said it to Cloud. A character I hate in FF VII is Caith Sith... I just understand what it is or why it is in the game...
saga87
Sephiroth's history is way too complex for me. There is something that the one who walks and talks with Cloud is a 'projection of his will' Confused dunno...

YOU DIDN'T KNEW?!?!?!?! There is even prequels of FFVII!!!!! Dirge of Cerberus, Advent Children, the remake.. yes: R E M A K E for PS3!!!!!

I like Cloud, he's sort of misterious... is he a clone from Seph or just a boy who hit the head? Razz

Final Fantasy VIII is very nice! Not blaming you Wink but I love the romance between him and Rinoa. I know, Squall is a damn #@$%&@+ who keeps looking for his 'sister' (Elone)... by the way, you know why he calls her 'sister'??? Remember that Raine and Laguna used to live together and adopted Elone? She was like a daughter for them. Now gues who's Squall mom and dad... Very Happy

About Cait Sith: he's, by what I figured out, a robot controled by a spy inside Shin-Ra (Helena arrests him somewhere after the Weapon incident at Junon...). I think no one likes him... but he's funny! Gives the festive mood Surprised ...

Did anyone heard that Hironobu stoppped writing FF series and said For me, Final Fantasy is past already...... I can't believe this...
bcnhs81
for me Squall Leonheart is cool.. well we kinda have the same personality, (the silent type guys who usually keeps his emotions within himself and tries to solve problems on his own) another reason why i voted Squall is that, I love FFVIII's storyline.. and it was one of the greatest RPGs i've played in my whole life..Flying the Ragnarok,Playing Cards, Looking for Bahamut, Gilgamesh's appearance.. one word.. COOL!!!
xeroed
from what I got out of it Cloud was actually a clone of sepheroth but he was like changed because he is also like Zac remade or something I don't remember its been awhile since I played but I think Cloud was really Zac and really sephoroth at the same time I dunno
PuNGS
xeroed wrote:
from what I got out of it Cloud was actually a clone of sepheroth but he was like changed because he is also like Zac remade or something I don't remember its been awhile since I played but I think Cloud was really Zac and really sephoroth at the same time I dunno


That's insane... around fifty-five words and no punctuation... That's evil... Evil or Very Mad
saga87
Cloud to be Zax? In some way, that is true... anyone remembers when Cloud says that he was livin' Zax' life? On the Lifestream, when Tifa helps him to remember himself, he pictures that he was the braggart soldier with the helmet, not the one as Seph's pupil, holding a huge sword...

For me, Cloud needs some psychic treatment Very Happy ...

By the way: does anyone liked FINAL FANTASY 9?! For me it was like playing a lifeless RPG... there is something missing there... Sad Wink
xeroed
PuNGS wrote:
xeroed wrote:
from what I got out of it Cloud was actually a clone of sepheroth but he was like changed because he is also like Zac remade or something I don't remember its been awhile since I played but I think Cloud was really Zac and really sephoroth at the same time I dunno


That's insane... around fifty-five words and no punctuation... That's evil... :evil:


its more insane that you did a word count... I was kinda in a hurry/detatched state of mind... so I do appologize for my lack of proper punctuation... <--alliteration
Hanpusu-kun
saga87 wrote:

YOU DIDN'T KNEW?!?!?!?! There is even prequels of FFVII!!!!! Dirge of Cerberus, Advent Children, the remake.. yes: R E M A K E for PS3!!!!!


*cough*
The FF VII that was shown for the PS3 was just a graphics demo...
there will surely not be a remake of FF VII.
Sry to say that....
xeroed
Hanpusu-kun wrote:
saga87 wrote:

YOU DIDN'T KNEW?!?!?!?! There is even prequels of FFVII!!!!! Dirge of Cerberus, Advent Children, the remake.. yes: R E M A K E for PS3!!!!!


*cough*
The FF VII that was shown for the PS3 was just a graphics demo...
there will surely not be a remake of FF VII.
Sry to say that....


yeah thats what I heard... FF VII remake is on the drawing table for enix but chances that it will actually make it are slim to none
vaoger
Sephiroth??
wat i know this guy is...
he is dead... he is part of the life stream...
he is clone from the JENOVA cell and being juiced with the life stream( where he got his heavenly godly strenght:cloud said)
Sephiroth original body is left at a cave... after he found him seft is a monster... he disappeare... poof!!
but at the ff7: advent child... Sephiroth had being summon out but kadaj( Sephiroth's clone.... the cucoo of Sephiroth power...)
kadaj use the Jenova head to recall Sephiroth from the dead by tramform him self into Sephiroth.... wat Sephiroth left...is only a memory ... agreat worrior.. and a tru friend.....

well if u want to solve ur mistery... u should watch ff7:advent child....
all should be in there... or u can send mail to the ff7 fans site... but need to type in jp...or u must at least know how to read jp.....
Yantaal
Timeline
The following timeline lists all events tied into Sephiroth's history. This includes spoilers for Final Fantasy Seven, and eventually, spoilers for Final Fantasy: Advent Children as well.

:: over [-]2000: Cetras come to the world and interact with the slowly thriving human race.

:: [-]2000: The sentient alien being known as Jenova enters the world and attacks the Cetra, causing the original "crises from the sky". The Cetra were able to confine JENOVA, but not before being fatally infected with a virus she unleashed, eventually dying out and wiping out most of the Cetra race. Humans continue to flourish.

:: [-]57: birth of Vincent Valentine

:: [-]57-50: birth of Lucretia

:: [-]48: birth of Red XIII

:: [-]33: birth of Barret

:: [-]32: birth of Cid Highwind

:: [-]30 approx: JENOVA was found confined in the geological stratum by Professor Gast of Shinra, who he believes to be an Ancient. Experiments involving JENOVA and Mako energy begins. Vincent Valentine, now a Turk, first meets Lucretia, and falls in love.

:: [-]30: the JENOVA project begins, tasked with attempting to replicate the powers of the Ancients / Cetra into the next generation of SOLDIER members. This was created with the belief that these supersoldiers, imbued with magic and super strength, would lead Shinra into the Promised Land, where Mako energy is infinite and can be harnessed further by the organization.

:: between [-]30 and [-]25: Lucrezia chooses Hojo over Vincent, and becomes pregnant with Hojo's baby. Both mother and the child in her womb are injected with JENOVA cells. Sephiroth is born, and Lucrezia is transformed by the infusion of JENOVA cells. Vincent Valentine tries to intervene, is defeated by Hojo, and is injected with both monster serum and JENOVA cells. He is then sealed in cold sleep at the Shinra mansion mausoleum in Nibelheim. Sephiroth is taken away from his parents, never knowing who they are.

:: between [-]24 and [-]22: Gast leaves Shinra in disgust, meets Ifalna, the last Cetra.

:: [-]22: Aeris Gainsborough is born to Gast and Ifalna. Gast dies shortly afterwards, killed by Shinra.

:: [-]21: Cloud Strife is born. Zack may have also been born around this time, possibly earlier.

:: [-]20: Tifa Lockhart is born.

:: [-]16: Yuffie Kisaragi is born. Sephiroth, already subjected to artificial aging to speed up his growth, is trained to become a SOLDIER. He rises quickly in ranks and becomes a top-ranking officer.

:: [-]9: Zack serves under Sephiroth. Cloud decides to join SOLDIER to become like his idol, Sephiroth.

:: [-]5_3days: Sephiroth is known as the best SOLDIER in Midgard. He and Zack are sent to investigate a Mako reactor in Nibelheim, accompanied by an escort guard named Cloud Strife (hiding his face from Tifa because of his failure to become a SOLDIER) and a tourist guide named Tifa Lockhart (who doesn't know Cloud is on the mission as well). Zack and Sephiroth discover the monster pods and the JENOVA entity.

:: [-]5: events of Final Fantasy: Last Order. Sephiroth spends three days reading about the Ancients and the JENOVA project, and comes to the conclusion that he is a Cetra. He burns Nibelheim and heads to the Nibelheim Reactor to free JENOVA. He kills Tifa's father, and injures both Tifa and Zack. He also severely injures Cloud, but the latter survives and manages to throw him and JENOVA's head into the Mako pit below. Sephiroth is presumed dead.

:: between [-]5 to -[4]: Shinra covers up the Nibelheim incident. JENOVA is shipped back to Shinra headquarters under the care of Hojo. Meanwhile, Hojo begins the Sephiroth Copy program, and uses the dead villagers of Nibelheim to create his clones. Cloud and Zack are added to the Sephiroth Copy program and subjected to JENOVA infusions by Gast, their memories intertwining. Zack is unaffected by the cells, but Cloud reacts violently. Zack later frees himself and Cloud, only to be killed by Shinra while tending to Cloud's injuries. Cloud takes Zack's Buster Sword and believes Zack's memories to be his own.

:: over the course of [-]5 to [-]1: Sephiroth's body is transported through the Lifestream into the Nothern Crater, where he is sealed in a Mako chrysalis. Though his physical body was heavily damaged, his mental abilities and willpower were so immense that he can project his psyche / astral self anywhere he chooses. After learning of the knowledge of the Ancients through the Lifestream, Sephiroth begins planning to retrieve the Black Materia to call on Meteor, and controls the JENOVA cells in the other Sephiroth copies.

:: PRESENT [0]: events of Final Fantasy Seven. Cloud Strife, Tifa Lockhart, Barrett Wallace, Aeris Gainsborough, Cait Sith (Reeve of Shinra), Red XIII, Yuffie Kisaragi, and Cid Highwind fight against Shinra. Sephiroth Clone #1 kills the President of Shinra while AVALANCHE raids the Shinra Headquarters, searching for the Black Materia. Later on, the Reunion starts; all the Sephiroth clones begin to head for the Northern Crater. Vincent Valentine awakens and joins party. Cloud and party finds Black materia, but Sephiroth Clone #1 controls the JENOVA cells in Cloud's body, making him attack Aeris. Aeris also prays at the Temple of the Ancients for Holy Materia, but Sephiroth Clone #1 kills her. Cloud and party hunts him back to the Northern Crater, where they find the damaged physical body of the real Sephiroth. Sephiroth controls the JENOVA cells in Cloud again, making him give him the Black Materia. Sephiroth summons Meteor and creates a barrier around the Northern Crater preventing entry. The White Materia is found by Cloud and party, which seems to mean Aeris had succeeded in praying for Holy. The Shinra's Sister Ray later breaks through the barrier, and Cloud and party once again hunts for Sephiroth. After battling JENOVA, and then Bizarro Sephiroth and Safer Sephiroth, Cloud and part wins. Sephiroth pulls Cloud into his mind to fight one last time, but he is weakened and easily killed by Cloud. JENOVA is freed from both Cloud and Sephiroth at the moment of Sephiroth's death.

:: [+]2: events of Final Fantasy: Advent Children. the disease known as Geostigma is spreading across the world. it is discovered that Kadaj, Yazoo, and Loz, three people who look like Sephiroth, contain Sephiroth's spirit in them. The three 'clones' try to steal Jenova's head from Rufus and his Shinra allies. Kadaj succeeds, and during a fight with Cloud, Sephiroth takes control of Kadaj's body. Sephiroth plans to use Geostigma to create enough energy for him and Jenova to use the planet to travel through space. Cloud fights him however, and defeats him. Sephiroth reverts back to Kadaj. All three clones are returned to the Lifestream, and Geostigma is cleansed through Aeris' healing rain.

:: [+]500: RED XIII has propagated his species, and looks over at the fallen ruins of Midgard, overgrown with vegetation. It is unclear whether the human species no longer exists, or whether only Midgar itself is now unoccupied.


Spent a good long time typing this up, so be thankfull.
Yantaal
http://sephiroth.artificial-soul.net/story.php


i was going to cop the bit for you, but my fag friend wouldnt let me, he sais i would gte banned.

But all is fun, i guess i will struggle by
Hanpusu-kun
xeroed wrote:
Hanpusu-kun wrote:
saga87 wrote:

YOU DIDN'T KNEW?!?!?!?! There is even prequels of FFVII!!!!! Dirge of Cerberus, Advent Children, the remake.. yes: R E M A K E for PS3!!!!!


*cough*
The FF VII that was shown for the PS3 was just a graphics demo...
there will surely not be a remake of FF VII.
Sry to say that....


yeah thats what I heard... FF VII remake is on the drawing table for enix but chances that it will actually make it are slim to none


and wouldnt it be easier just to make a exact copy of the game to the NDS?
It would sell a hell lot of copies for sure
Monkeydog
hmmm, no Locke/Zidane/Kefka/Kuja/Vivi?
I hate this list.
saga87
haha! Now I have understood Seph's past. I didn't knew for sure if he died and was cloned or only heavily hurted...

That JENOVA cells brings me a question: is it Sephiroth who is doing all the things, really, or is it JENOVA controlling Seph since his birth?

FF7 is beginning to look like a SciFi RPG now Very Happy hauehwuehawue
Frag
I loved 7, was the first one I played of the Final Fantasy games, and I loved it, its just the epic battle in the game. Cloud is a good char to play as, an to have all the odd friends that help is great.

But more than 7 I loved 8, I felt apart from the whole orphanage thing the game was so easy to relate too, when I first played it I was in school, an as the game starts and is set in school its easy to relate to. He is a cool char who is silent and strong in anything he does.

9 I felt was a good game, it did not lack as other people have said, I felt it offered different things but in the same way as the other FF games. Its gameplay was good an how it was set kinda in the past with the lack of machinery but with airships etc was pretty cool. The graphics made a change and it just felt like a good game.

10 was another good game with a good story line, and superb graphics, with funny chars. The story was good with the Dream an stuff, but it meant for the first time there had to be a sequal and we all know how that went, good idea, but a terrible game ruined by the fact is the chars are all girls cant relate to them.
jeffleo
Erm, sephiroth is the coolest. grow up dudes, cloud ain't cool. he's cool cause he killed sephiroth. But it's only because the bad guys have to die in the end. Sephiroth's past is way better than cloud's . LAWL. So yeah.
Monkeydog
jeffleo wrote:
Erm, sephiroth is the coolest. grow up dudes, cloud ain't cool. he's cool cause he killed sephiroth. But it's only because the bad guys have to die in the end. Sephiroth's past is way better than cloud's . LAWL. So yeah.

Grow up, neither were cool and both barely had any character development through the game. Cloud was just angsty and wanted to destroy Sephiroth, and Sephiroth just wanted to be with Jenova and destroy everything else, for really no reason at all.
Which is very...boring.
jeffleo
Lawl, let's all just grow up and forget about this game. XD Just kidding, Sephiroth doesn't just "want" to be with Jenova, he wants to "purify" the world. Cloud wants to prevent him.
votd
Sephiroth is the coolest, but in fact all characters of Final Fantasy were cool and very well made. Almost every of them has interestic story of his life Smile

But I think Sephiroth is the best ever ^^

IMO, all FF ale cool there isn't a thing like "FFX IS THE BEST". I think all of them are the best! Of course I love FFX too, like an FFIV or FFVII by comparision.


BTW, FF9 missed something... jRPG magic... anything, I dunno it's just... diffrent and worse from other FFs. Maybe it's getting repetetive, but FFX was cool, apart from FF9! So FF it's and endless cool games ^^

I HATE Square - Enix! They have gotten FF license and they are sometimes forgetting about the game and thinking too much about cash! I want cool FF even if it takes few years! Squaresoft (orginal) were cool! Now they are a little uncool. Well, FFX-2 is just game for 8+ ranking, and we waiting for 10!!

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YOU DIDN'T KNEW?!?!?!?! There is even prequels of FFVII!!!!! Dirge of Cerberus, Advent Children, the remake.. yes: R E M A K E for PS3!!!!!


Not so fast buddy, I know your attitude, but let me be clear:

- Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children (Movie - Sequel, DVD/UMD)
- Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus (Action game with RPG elements, story of Vincent but appears to be sequel of AC!! sic!!, PS2, released already in Japan)
- Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core (Game - Prequel, PSP) - Appears to be prequel, but it's nearer to FFVII than...
- Final Fantasy VII: Before Crisis (Mobile, Prequel, Mobile Phone - Panasonic Foma 900i or something similiar, only in Japan) - Released in chapters, there are still new chapters on mobile, only in japan, already there are 23 or more chapters, it's further prequel from that Crisis Core which is unknown (maybe it's isn't a prequel at all).


Alrighty, that should answer all questions and finally....

- Final Fantasy VII REMAKE (PS3) - This project IS NOT ANNOUCED. It was only a tech-demo, no from SE has annouced making of the remake, today, there isn't a chance making FF7 Remake, you can't say THERE WILL BE REMAKE, because there won't, saying today. There is a hope, but nothing seriously real. Maybe we pray for it!
Kelcey
They said they'd do a remake if they get enough feedback (that's covered) and if they had time. In other words, the time had to be right to do it. With square, the time is never right. Cough cough... chrono trigger.... cough cough... xenogears.
thai86
cloud... i like the character... about Sephiroth...
to me Sephiroth... is a mistery... he just like ... a temp character in the game, i like his style.... so cool....
but i started to like him when i saw the final fantasy 7: advent child... the movie..
he is very... extra cool...
Sephiroth ... in the movie... the kadaj said that Sephiroth is jenova and had found the promise land.... aries( forgot already wat the girl name... clound girl friend.. i think) Sephiroth had the super strenght.... very cool...
Sephiroth had lost him self when know that himself acually make from JENOVA.... he became a monster(wat he think him self is...)

well dont know my opinion are right or not....
\can some one tell me??
Monkeydog
Quote:
Lawl, let's all just grow up and forget about this game. XD Just kidding, Sephiroth doesn't just "want" to be with Jenova, he wants to "purify" the world. Cloud wants to prevent him.

Lets.
Really, I never understoof how destroying the world would purify it. =/
AzTeK
wouldn't it be a trip if all the FFs stories where from wedge, victs ect. point of view? I mean those names are in every FF series game. From one of the old Squaresoft game they had the final boss wich was the creater of everything who was always watching, I know this probably doesn't make sense but it's just something to make people trip out.
jeffleo
Hmmm, Sephiroth said he was going to kill everybody ( since everybody was impure as they were supposed to be planet-hopping [ LOL ] and reaching the promised land in the end. Of course the people stopped the practice since they were just too lazy to hop. ). And Cloud and his gang of friends were there to kill Sephiroth.

In Advent Children, the story-writers must be sick and tired of Sephiroth, so they permenantly killed him. Good always win evil. ( Find me a game which Evil wins Good. I'll be the first to play that game. XD )
Monkeydog
jeffleo wrote:
Good always win evil. ( Find me a game which Evil wins Good. I'll be the first to play that game. XD )

Dwarven vow # 7: Justice and love will always win.

Well, I'm sure there are a few games, just none I can think of at the moment. >.>
Mason11987
The reason Sephiroth sent meteor is simple. When the earth is threatened the lifestream comes from the northern crater to protect the earth. Sephiroth sent the meteor so it would hit, the lifestream would come out of the northern crater and he could aborb it and become god. Check the Gamefaqs FAQ called story analysis or something like that (you can't direct link to them) and it'll explain everything.
phinguyen
i agree, there arent enough games out there where evil prevails. on top of that there should be more moviez that end with the bad guy winning, and i donn mean the cheesey stuff that tales from the crypt used to do, they should make some moviez and gamez where the bad guy winz. or at least gets away. i still thinq that there is a way to bring baq siphoroth since they did it once already it could be possible to bring hime baq, maybe not with mother but another way maybe?
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