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madsencarl
I have a flash website with the header (with all the links) made in flash, which would make it near impossible for a spider to crawl it. When I came up with this idea, although I haven't tried it myself.
Basically, you create the "a href" tags as you would with a normal html link, then make them invisible Put the somewhere on your site where nobody will click on them. Bang! Instant flash SEO.

Note: is it even possible to make a link invisible (not by changing the colour)? If so, how?
ml
yes ,there is a possibility to hide links or any element from the user:
you simply add a style="display: none;" to your element.

but google only indexes pages that have a content
=> you will have to paste your content from flash to html to let google index it
madsencarl
Yeah, I've only got the header and side bar in flash, with the content in the middle in text. All-flash sites are crap, I reckon.
cambridge
wrong idea

invisible content can be ignored - especially this included to fool search engines.

google robot can crawl flash links and text inside flash, but avoid full flash sites (flash splash screen on start is complete nonsense).
robot can even follow links in JavaScript and VBscript, and handle sites with frames and cookies, HML, text, PDF, Word and Excel documents.
http://www.searchtools.com/news.html

as some seo proffesionals said on different forums, google robot can have troubles with compressed flash files. you cannot also rely only on links inside flash - flash reading is in early developement stage, and is always a good habit to include also properly described (with alt) text links together with flash
ml
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robot can even follow links in JavaScript and VBscript,


that would mean, that a robot would execute foreign code, which is extremely unsafe and therefore no bigger, better frequented web search would implement this, especially not google.
cambridge
do you think google robot is a kind of humanoid sitting on the chair at the office desk and using windows pc?

this robot cannot 'execute' anything, and nothing inside hyperlink can affect his (her?:-) work

;-)
madsencarl
Wow, way to bring up a topic almost two weeks old, dumba**.
Marston
cambridge wrote:
wrong idea

invisible content can be ignored - especially this included to fool search engines.

google robot can crawl flash links and text inside flash, but avoid full flash sites (flash splash screen on start is complete nonsense).
robot can even follow links in JavaScript and VBscript, and handle sites with frames and cookies, HML, text, PDF, Word and Excel documents.
http://www.searchtools.com/news.html

as some seo proffesionals said on different forums, google robot can have troubles with compressed flash files. you cannot also rely only on links inside flash - flash reading is in early developement stage, and is always a good habit to include also properly described (with alt) text links together with flash
This is incorrect. You're suggesting that Google can read text inside of vector imagery (yes, flash is just vector images)? I doubt it - that would be some very, VERY advanced technology.
cambridge
no, it's not incorrect;-)
just read what google says..

http://www.google.com/intl/en/webmasters/facts.html
Quote:
At Google, we're able to index most types of pages and files with very few exceptions. A sampling of the file extensions we're able to index includes: pdf, asp, jsp, html, shtml, xml, doc, xls, ppt, rtf, wks, lwp, wri, swf, cfm, and php.
Marston
Doesn't say it follows links within the swf files. I think by "index" they mean that they can acknowledge that the file exists.
cambridge
http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?p=12545

more:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2Bswf+%2Bgoogle+%2Blinks+%2Bfollow&btnG=Google+Search
Marston
cambridge wrote:
http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?p=12545

more:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2Bswf+%2Bgoogle+%2Blinks+%2Bfollow&btnG=Google+Search
Doesn't look like Google has made any press releases about indexing SWF links...
cambridge
you still cannot believe the facts;-)
it's really possible to get into swf and look what is inside

tool based on macromedia sdk released -
http://desktop.google.com/plugins/i/swf.html
macromedia story -
http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_16603
another story 2 years old -
http://searchenginewatch.com/searchday/article.php/2200921

remember: google can TRY index flash links, but every seo expert i know says, there are problems with sites entirely in flash.

just read forums where seo experts write.
cambridge
more:
http://www.searchengineworkshops.com/articles/flash.html
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/23572.htm

the truth is out there;-)
Marston
1.) Don't double post, it's against the rules.

2.) Unless it's coming directly from Google, I'm not believing any alleged SEO experts.
WinterSun
Thanks for the Links. Ill check them out
Marston
madsencarl wrote:
I have a flash website with the header (with all the links) made in flash, which would make it near impossible for a spider to crawl it. When I came up with this idea, although I haven't tried it myself.
Basically, you create the "a href" tags as you would with a normal html link, then make them invisible Put the somewhere on your site where nobody will click on them. Bang! Instant flash SEO.

Note: is it even possible to make a link invisible (not by changing the colour)? If so, how?
This wouldn't work - Google would recognize it as link stuffing, which will definitley get you blacklisted.
cambridge
marston, i think you don't like me;-)

I'm afraid i will write as many posts as i want - if I have something to say. I'm afraid it's not against the rules.

and finally, if you read my posts, you will realize what's inside (and is it doubled or not)

next info for you:
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* Macromedia Flash Search Engine SDK

The Macromedia Flash Search Engine SDK 1.0 provides search engines with the means to search and index Macromedia Flash (SWF) movies. The swf2html utility used by the SDK extracts text and links from a Macromedia Flash SWF file, and outputs it to stdout or to an HTML document. When a search engine deploys this SDK, users can locate relevant Flash content when searching by keyword or file type.

The Macromedia Flash Search Engine SDK is primarily designed for search engine application engineering teams. Intermediate and advanced Macromedia Flash developers may find the SDK useful for other server-based text and link extraction/conversion purposes, or for client-side testing of their Macromedia Flash content against the basic Macromedia Flash Search Engine SDK code.

and more:
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A special report from the Search Engine Strategies conference in Dallas, Texas December 11th and 12th, 2002.(...) "Google has the ability to extract links from Flash files, said Matt Cutts, Software Engineer at Google. "In fact, in our own internal testing, we were able to extract more than 50% more links from Flash files than by using the standard Macromedia developer's kit that some other search engines use."

clear enough?
believe the facts, 'doubting thomas' marston.. it's not a shame.
Marston
lol, it's not that I don't like you, it's that you haven't backed up your argument until now Smile.

By the way, double posting is against the rules Smile. "Double Posting is not allowed. We know which double posts are caused by the system and which are not."
kcarring
If this is the case: consider this: If you absolutely must stay with a 100% flash site, consider having an opml or .xml page-per-page equivalent site. That way Google will read the xml, and the visitors will see the flash! Do not, however use this method to stuff your xml site. Kepp the xml site 100% in check with its flash page equivalent, or it may be means for punishment!~

Cheers
recep
l copmtlately agree with teh cambridge..
l have seen many of the sites indexed by google which l see when l searched on gogole fill of flash insde content..
also dont try to cheat google bots becouse they are very clever with the expensive google api sesources..
my request from you try to get links from other sites also which willl help you also byu the importance side of seo.
thanks..
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