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PlayStation 3






Will you be getting the PS3?
HELL YEAH!
39%
 39%  [ 140 ]
Sure, when the price drops by a bit
36%
 36%  [ 129 ]
If they change the controller
1%
 1%  [ 5 ]
No, and you can't change my mind
22%
 22%  [ 79 ]
Total Votes : 353

madsencarl
Well, it's soon on its way. Will you be getting the console that will could possibly flush down the Xbox 360?

Do you like Play Station 3? Any plans to get one?
WebSiteGuru
When PS3 come out, I definately will try to get it. I have money saved up for it. Hopefully it will be as good as PS1 and PS2. Xbox 360 I am not so found of it as much since I already have the original XBOX.
Monkeydog
No, I doubt it, and especially no if they do the one play junk.
SilverDogg
playstation have never been interesting to me, and the ps3 is no different. maybe in a few years if i find it interesting, otherwise, no.

id rather get myself a xbox360 than this.
Dorsk82
I think that with the PS3 Sony may be heading towards a real mistake. They have already admitted it is going to be expensive but I actually read somewhere that when asked about its price being prohibitive for kids and families, they stated that they didn't really care if those markets couldn't afford it. I have the money for a PS3 in spades and I am not a kid but videogames should be made accessible to all ages not just targeted at loser adults like myself!! Not only that but I think it is a real mistake to ignore the younger market as well as that of families because most really truly hardcore adult gamers are apt to just play PC games anyways!! Just my two cents... Wink
troyinator
Just look at Sony's marketting and support for the PSP. It's expensive, bloated, and software updates leave holes in your computer's security (if you use your computer to download them.) They've been letting their partial success go to their head. It's only a matter of time before they start developping only for themselves.
TeK
Looking at the current lineup no. Only two of the games caught my eye. Maybe when more games are anounced
sgwreviews
I've never liked PS,
Once I saw an advertisement for it, I couldn't stop laughing,
the add mensioned the performance of the PS3,
if you had calculated it, it was 2000% faster then the fasted server on earth, lol.
Kael
Oh, yes. The lineup.

I am a coder. And being a coder I can certainly tell you that the software has to follow the development of the hardware.
In other words, You can write some killer software, but can the hardware handle it? What happens with new technology is that the hardware is created first. You dont really know what the code is going to be capable of until you have the hardware to interact with it. It's hard to explain. Think of it as an OLD Commodore I16 trying to run Windows XP. Better yet, think about trying to write the code for WinXP using an I16. It's impossible. Therefore XP wasn't able to be designed until well after computers that could handle it were put together.

Same theory applies here. Have you even noticed the specs for the PS3? Do you even know what Blu-Ray technology is? The PS3 will be the first to have it. For those of you that don't know, Blu-Ray disc technology uses a blue-violet laser instead of a red one. Know what that means? It uses a smaller wavelength. So while cd's can hold 750Mb of data and a DVD can store just under 4.5GB, a Blu-Ray disc can hold a whopping 25 Gigs. Think of all those games that had to have 4 discs like the last FF. Thats still only about half the data that a Blu-Ray disc can hold. Imagine the possibilities there.
TV Infomercials wrote:

But wait, there's more.


The processor is a completely new type of technology itself as well. It's called Cell Technology. Aptly named for it's design if you ask me. I strongly suggest that you actually read about the architecture before you say that it's laughable at how fast it is. If you know anything whatsoever about hardware architecture then you will realize the truth behind the claims.

Code:

Logo: PLAYSTATION(R)3

CPU: Cell Processor

PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
Total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS
GPU: RSX @550MHz

1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines
Sound:

Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell-based processing)
Memory:

256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz
System Bandwidth:

Main RAM -- 25.6GB/s
VRAM -- 22.4GB/s
RSX -- 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read)
SB -- 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)
System Floating Point Performance:

2 TFLOPS
Storage:

Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1
I/O

USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1
SD standard/mini x 1
CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1
Communication:

Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2)
Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g
Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)
Controller:

Bluetooth (up to 7)
USB 2.0 (wired)
Wi-Fi (PSP)
Network (over IP)

AV Output

Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI: HDMI out x 2
Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1
Disc Media:

CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE



Think long and hard. The Ps3 is going to kick the crap out of the competition....... hands down. There is no way Microsoft or Nintendo are even coming close to this.
SilverDogg
Kael wrote:
Oh, yes. The lineup.

I am a coder. And being a coder I can certainly tell you that the software has to follow the development of the hardware.
In other words, You can write some killer software, but can the hardware handle it? What happens with new technology is that the hardware is created first. You dont really know what the code is going to be capable of until you have the hardware to interact with it. It's hard to explain. Think of it as an OLD Commodore I16 trying to run Windows XP. Better yet, think about trying to write the code for WinXP using an I16. It's impossible. Therefore XP wasn't able to be designed until well after computers that could handle it were put together.

Same theory applies here. Have you even noticed the specs for the PS3? Do you even know what Blu-Ray technology is? The PS3 will be the first to have it. For those of you that don't know, Blu-Ray disc technology uses a blue-violet laser instead of a red one. Know what that means? It uses a smaller wavelength. So while cd's can hold 750Mb of data and a DVD can store just under 4.5GB, a Blu-Ray disc can hold a whopping 25 Gigs. Think of all those games that had to have 4 discs like the last FF. Thats still only about half the data that a Blu-Ray disc can hold. Imagine the possibilities there.
TV Infomercials wrote:

But wait, there's more.


The processor is a completely new type of technology itself as well. It's called Cell Technology. Aptly named for it's design if you ask me. I strongly suggest that you actually read about the architecture before you say that it's laughable at how fast it is. If you know anything whatsoever about hardware architecture then you will realize the truth behind the claims.

Code:

Logo: PLAYSTATION(R)3

CPU: Cell Processor

PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
Total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS
GPU: RSX @550MHz

1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines
Sound:

Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell-based processing)
Memory:

256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz
System Bandwidth:

Main RAM -- 25.6GB/s
VRAM -- 22.4GB/s
RSX -- 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read)
SB -- 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)
System Floating Point Performance:

2 TFLOPS
Storage:

Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1
I/O

USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1
SD standard/mini x 1
CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1
Communication:

Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2)
Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g
Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)
Controller:

Bluetooth (up to 7)
USB 2.0 (wired)
Wi-Fi (PSP)
Network (over IP)

AV Output

Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI: HDMI out x 2
Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1
Disc Media:

CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE



Think long and hard. The Ps3 is going to kick the crap out of the competition....... hands down. There is no way Microsoft or Nintendo are even coming close to this.


yea, thats right, because if you have the strongest specs you are 100% sure to win! oh wait, thats not right =O. ps2 was the worst one, but still sold most. OMFG =O.

and besides, why is sony rushing to get blu-ray out there? dvd isnt dead yet, and wont be for a long time. and if they are going to sell ps3 for about $500, how crappy will it be considering a regular blu-ray will cost MORE than $1000?
Kelcey
Kael wrote:


Think of all those games that had to have 4 discs like the last FF. Thats still only about half the data that a Blu-Ray disc can hold. Imagine the possibilities there.


The last FF in what context? The last real FF was FFX and that took one dvd. No games have taken 4 DVDs(even 3) as far as I know. You're thinking back to FF8 and FF9 which were released many many years ago on CD.
jarcelao
the hardware specs of PS3 is pretty impressive but it isn't proper to benchmark a gaming machine just by its hardware itself. the quality of games that is released with that gaming console also adds how good a gaming machine is.

so i suggest, let's sit back, relax, enjoy and wait till PS3 is released and from then we can comment on how good the PS3 gaming platform is. Wink Cool
therestofus
Nope, ive been waiting for PS3 to come out so I can finally buy PS2 for a price thats worth it
Nexus4144
HELL ya i will be gettin a PS3, espically when i dont have to buy a seperate wireless internet adapter to play online. It also awsome becuase u can hook up to 7 controllers to it at once., and i think there launchin the PS3 for $400 not 500. Im sure becuase they were the the electronics convention here in vegas.
unfraggable
Shocked You guys really know your playstation stuff. I'm thinking of getting a PS3, but theres the XBOX360 and Nintendo Revolution coming out. Which console is the least expensive?
greenman
Sony is such a juggernaut...I hope microsoft keeps 'em honest...hehehe ironic aint it...
madsencarl
unfraggable wrote:
Shocked You guys really know your playstation stuff. I'm thinking of getting a PS3, but theres the XBOX360 and Nintendo Revolution coming out. Which console is the least expensive?

Nintendo Revolution - what a JOKE. Nintendo are crap now, games have matured but they've been left behind. Nintendogs? What the hell? I'm not two years old! Gimme something I can shoot to bits, then walk over with a satisfying squelch.
DecayClan
As soon as it doesn't have a keyboard and a mouse, its not good for me... I Like computers, and i hate consoles.I wouldn't buy PS3 or any other console! Burn the consoles!~ Smile
Sappho
I am really curriouse at what price they will start selling PS3, just BRD mechanic and the Cell Processor is like $2000 and they are goin to sell whole PS3 around $500. R they crazy? I bet they r. Smile

Comparing PS3 to XBox360 is a joke, there is NO chance that XBox360 could compete with PS3 from a technical standpoint. But u know, games is what makes consoles successful so we will see.

PS.: I am not buing either prolly, no time to play games anyway. Smile
Monkeydog
madsencarl wrote:
unfraggable wrote:
Shocked You guys really know your playstation stuff. I'm thinking of getting a PS3, but theres the XBOX360 and Nintendo Revolution coming out. Which console is the least expensive?

Nintendo Revolution - what a JOKE. Nintendo are crap now, games have matured but they've been left behind. Nintendogs? What the hell? I'm not two years old! Gimme something I can shoot to bits, then walk over with a satisfying squelch.

You do know, now you're probably going to be attacked at all angles, or something.

Violence =/= fun.
Just because something is violent, doesn't mean it makes a game fun. I'd much rather play Nintendogs then Halo or True Crime or something like that junk.
Nintendo knows gameplay, everyone else knows mediocory.
AzTeK
When the PS3 is released its going to be all out war between xbox360 and ps3 both competing for the people I heard that ps3 will be releasing GTA Hawaii when ps3 comes out, to blow xbox 360 away, but I also heard xbox 360 will be releasing halo 3 when the PS3 comes out Shocked .
utkufb
I don't think PS3.
I will continue with PC.
clip
i think i'll get a ps3. Very Happy and i dont really know why! maybe i just want to? ^^ or maybe because i'm sure that there'll be a lot of cool games that's going to be released on ps3?
n0obie4life
Officialized™
roeenoy
when playstation 3 will come out????

my friend told me in spring 2006

is this true?
sciondestiny
Kael wrote:
Oh, yes. The lineup.

I am a coder. And being a coder I can certainly tell you that the software has to follow the development of the hardware.
In other words, You can write some killer software, but can the hardware handle it? What happens with new technology is that the hardware is created first. You dont really know what the code is going to be capable of until you have the hardware to interact with it. It's hard to explain. Think of it as an OLD Commodore I16 trying to run Windows XP. Better yet, think about trying to write the code for WinXP using an I16. It's impossible. Therefore XP wasn't able to be designed until well after computers that could handle it were put together.

Same theory applies here. Have you even noticed the specs for the PS3? Do you even know what Blu-Ray technology is? The PS3 will be the first to have it. For those of you that don't know, Blu-Ray disc technology uses a blue-violet laser instead of a red one. Know what that means? It uses a smaller wavelength. So while cd's can hold 750Mb of data and a DVD can store just under 4.5GB, a Blu-Ray disc can hold a whopping 25 Gigs. Think of all those games that had to have 4 discs like the last FF. Thats still only about half the data that a Blu-Ray disc can hold. Imagine the possibilities there.
TV Infomercials wrote:

But wait, there's more.


The processor is a completely new type of technology itself as well. It's called Cell Technology. Aptly named for it's design if you ask me. I strongly suggest that you actually read about the architecture before you say that it's laughable at how fast it is. If you know anything whatsoever about hardware architecture then you will realize the truth behind the claims.

Code:

Logo: PLAYSTATION(R)3

CPU: Cell Processor

PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
Total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS
GPU: RSX @550MHz

1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines
Sound:

Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell-based processing)
Memory:

256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz
System Bandwidth:

Main RAM -- 25.6GB/s
VRAM -- 22.4GB/s
RSX -- 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read)
SB -- 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)
System Floating Point Performance:

2 TFLOPS
Storage:

Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1
I/O

USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1
SD standard/mini x 1
CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1
Communication:

Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2)
Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g
Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)
Controller:

Bluetooth (up to 7)
USB 2.0 (wired)
Wi-Fi (PSP)
Network (over IP)

AV Output

Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI: HDMI out x 2
Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1
Disc Media:

CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE



Think long and hard. The Ps3 is going to kick the crap out of the competition....... hands down. There is no way Microsoft or Nintendo are even coming close to this.


Hey Kael I see you are a coder. I am currently learning C++ which to you normal O.S. users means that I am learning on how to make those O.S. better lol. Actually I am only learning the basics and will continue on next year hopefully God willing. Also Kael I strongly agree with you that having a strong machine means better software. I mean you guys shouldn't really be talking, I am not talking about coders though. We know what its like to work with stuff that want to make you kill yourself lol!!! I mean the PS3 is gonna kick ass pretty big, why because Sony has been researching it over the past 7 years including the graphics card. I wouldn't be surprised if if Xbox 360 got all dirty on the shelves after PS3 came out. But that is only my views, you users see it your way. And we coders see the true way if you ask me.
moncader
Well, I wouldn't get PS3, I'm getting Nintendo Revolution, you know why? The 'revolution' part of it. The controller (you better have heard of it) isn't the really revolutionary part of it apparently, and if that aint, then i don't know what is...

Microsoft is well... microsoft...

PS3, mhmm, great graphics, MUCH better than X360, and will probably be better than Revolution in that sense.

But nintendo has a really neat (and cheap) product on hand. I mean, come on, gyros in the controller, so that you actually 'control' your character. It can't get better than that. Just imagine playing a game with a sword or something, where you actaully swing the sword yourself, not just mindless 'press A' a thousand times.., YOU fight. And for those shooters, you can point this controller like a gun, and actually aim like a gun. Cant get better than that.

So its nintendo hands down for me.
lucifertje
I'm hoping to win one.
a couple of months ago i won a ps2 because with the coming of the Xbox, they are getting rid of all the older ones. Then they can at least sell some more games for it.
It's all marketing, folks.
windval
the price of ps3 may be too high for me to afford!!

and will buy it since its price drops a bit

but i am still cannot wait for it

i think ps3 may be more funny than xbox360

i do not have confidence with the produck of microsoft!
qbawler311
PS3 will be outputting an HD signal which will look sweet on my new HDTV (JVC 52' LCD HLA-ILA). I will almost pay anything for it. I would sacrifice both pinky toes... well one pinky toe. I have to save the other pinky to for Jennifer Love Hewitt, i think she is gonna want one of my pinky toes in order for me to be able to sleep with her.
j0zman
PS3 for me all the way...I´ve seen images and ingame footage from games for the Playstation 3. I wet myself watching it.
xorcist
I was going to buy the Xbox 360 but then now I cant find it anywhere So I might just preorder the ps3 so I know that I can have a chance of getting it.
phantomllama
i was originally planning of buying the xbox 360 until i saw the specs of the ps3 (they own). i think the recolution was a huge mistake by nintendo, planning on releasing it so late + the revolution controllers are an insult to life. the ps3 controllers at first were crap but thank god they're redesigning them. also i love the fact that you can plug the ps3 into 2 hdtv's at once (thats l337).
thewrxman
I think i would prefer the PS3 over the xbox 360, even though im an xbox fan just because the ps3 is more future proof with its bluray technology and xbox is stuck with dvd which means this time ps3 may have the edge over xbox and stay the market leader. I really look forward to seeing the xbox and ps3 battle it out in New Zealand, as the 360 has not even been realeased yet and this may shorten the gap between the ps3 being realeased which means people may hold out for the ps3 rather that just buy a 360. well thats my thoughts any way Very Happy
Kelcey
I'll be getting a PS3. The only system I'm not sure of getting is the revolution. The controller sounds neats, but if nintendo is just gonna make 90 mario party games next gen, forget it.
papamurphy
Quote:
planning on releasing it so late + the revolution controllers are an insult to life. the ps3 controllers at first were crap but thank god they're redesigning them. also i love the fact that you can plug the ps3 into 2 hdtv's at once (thats l337).


I would like to see you back up the information on Sony redesigning the controller. Last I heard, that was the final design, but of course you never know they could pull a Microsoft, and make it different. Now why do most of you people bash Nintendo? Just because you have the attention span of a fly doesn't mean they don't produce good games. Last I checked Resident Evil, Zelda, and Metroid Prime were not kiddy. We also do not know what the Revolution can do, because Nintendo has kept everything under wraps, even though we can logically assume that it will be under powered, you must also realize that Gamecube was the second most powerful console this gen (Xbox more, PS2 less). So who really knows. I know that I am most looking forward to the Revolution, then an Xbox, and finally when Sony drops their price a bit, I will pick up a PS3.
ntothes
I would like to think that I will be getting one, but I'm probably going to have to wait until their price drops a bit. I didn't realize that they were coming out so soon.
XxGunner
hell yeah...all the stuff the ps3 is got to offer im going for it fopr sure since its so greeat and ownage lol and i already got ps2 thin one which is pretty cool...amzaing what technology can do Very Happy
Kelcey
papamurphy wrote:
Quote:
planning on releasing it so late + the revolution controllers are an insult to life. the ps3 controllers at first were crap but thank god they're redesigning them. also i love the fact that you can plug the ps3 into 2 hdtv's at once (thats l337).


I would like to see you back up the information on Sony redesigning the controller. Last I heard, that was the final design, but of course you never know they could pull a Microsoft, and make it different. Now why do most of you people bash Nintendo? Just because you have the attention span of a fly doesn't mean they don't produce good games. Last I checked Resident Evil, Zelda, and Metroid Prime were not kiddy. We also do not know what the Revolution can do, because Nintendo has kept everything under wraps, even though we can logically assume that it will be under powered, you must also realize that Gamecube was the second most powerful console this gen (Xbox more, PS2 less). So who really knows. I know that I am most looking forward to the Revolution, then an Xbox, and finally when Sony drops their price a bit, I will pick up a PS3.


Chances are that they are redesigning it. Chances are that was NEVER the design in the first place. They always stated it was something "in progress." Furthermore, the controller was completely missing from CES alongside the mock up of the system as well.
Dino
I must to have PS3 when it comes out
machine
I WANT IT! I WANT IT! I WANT IT! I WANT IT! I WANT IT! I WANT IT! I WANT IT! I WANT IT! I WANT IT! I WANT IT! I WANT IT! I WANT IT! I WANT IT! I WANT IT! I WANT IT! I WANT IT! I WANT IT! I WANT IT!

Seriously... I want PS3... crappy Spiderman font and colour schemes aside...



but what's up with those controllers?!?!?



Someone somewhere once said that the after market controller manufacturers are going to have a field day when PS3 finally comes out... and they are so right.

Dean The Machine
=ALiEN-SK=
I will DEFINITELY be getting one of the PS3's becaus ei have always been a fan of Playstation and always will be. NOBODY WILL STOP THAT! I have never really liked Microsofts CONSOLES (i say that bcoz ppl make points on windows and comps n such). I just havnt taken a liking to the XBox or 360. I love Playstation and have all the consoles, psp and most of the games (not fantasy ones with magic or crap like that tho).

All the XBox 360 Fans cant find anything to insult the PS3 about so they jump to insulting the font of the writing on the front of it saying it looks like Spiderman stuff. If thats the only thing theyve got... then thye clearly know theyve been beaten.

I LOVE YOU PLAYSTATION!!!
borrito
borrito wrote:





but yeah im gonna get this when it barely comes out but i hate the controls hopefully they come out with new controls later
Kelcey
borrito wrote:
borrito wrote:





but yeah im gonna get this when it barely comes out but i hate the controls hopefully they come out with new controls later



That's not the controller. It's been missing from displays and a recent dev report said they were using usb controllers that were mocked up like the dualshock controllers.
Monkeydog
This could mean that Sony is hurrying to steal from Nintendo again.
ggreiner9
i dont know why everyones b|itching about the controller, dont judge it just cause everyone says its stupid, how about you wait until you actually use it and then form your own opinion
ghanchi2000
Kael wrote:
Oh, yes. The lineup.

I am a coder. And being a coder I can certainly tell you that the software has to follow the development of the hardware.
In other words, You can write some killer software, but can the hardware handle it? What happens with new technology is that the hardware is created first. You dont really know what the code is going to be capable of until you have the hardware to interact with it. It's hard to explain. Think of it as an OLD Commodore I16 trying to run Windows XP. Better yet, think about trying to write the code for WinXP using an I16. It's impossible. Therefore XP wasn't able to be designed until well after computers that could handle it were put together.

Same theory applies here. Have you even noticed the specs for the PS3? Do you even know what Blu-Ray technology is? The PS3 will be the first to have it. For those of you that don't know, Blu-Ray disc technology uses a blue-violet laser instead of a red one. Know what that means? It uses a smaller wavelength. So while cd's can hold 750Mb of data and a DVD can store just under 4.5GB, a Blu-Ray disc can hold a whopping 25 Gigs. Think of all those games that had to have 4 discs like the last FF. Thats still only about half the data that a Blu-Ray disc can hold. Imagine the possibilities there.
TV Infomercials wrote:

But wait, there's more.


The processor is a completely new type of technology itself as well. It's called Cell Technology. Aptly named for it's design if you ask me. I strongly suggest that you actually read about the architecture before you say that it's laughable at how fast it is. If you know anything whatsoever about hardware architecture then you will realize the truth behind the claims.

[code]
Logo: PLAYSTATION(R)3

CPU: Cell Processor

PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
Total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS
GPU: RSX @550MHz

1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines
Sound:

Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell-based processing)
Memory:

256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz
System Bandwidth:

Main RAM -- 25.6GB/s
VRAM -- 22.4GB/s
RSX -- 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read)
SB -- 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)
System Floating Point Performance:

2 TFLOPS
Storage:

Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1
I/O

USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1
SD standard/mini x 1
CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1
Communication:

Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2)
Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g
Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)
Controller:

Bluetooth (up to 7)
USB 2.0 (wired)
Wi-Fi (PSP)
Network (over IP)

AV Output

Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI: HDMI out x 2
Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1
Disc Media:

CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE



great ps3 is greatest
and i m sure its best consol in the world waitin for it
Kelcey
Monkeydog wrote:
This could mean that Sony is hurrying to steal from Nintendo again.


Exactly what I was thinking. Unfortunately it made its way to the taipei show. Still don't think that's the final design... same goes with the console shell.
phinguyen
i'm a loyal sony consumer and i'd have to say in recent news has revealed that the ps3 is costing sony 900 to make and they'll probebly be launching it at just under 500 or near 45o. thats alot of dedication towards putting systems into homes. those of you who own psps and have updated to firmware 2.5 will be delighted to know that the ps3 will be a location free player and will be able to stream directly to your psp anywhere in the world where there is a wireless connection for your psp. along with that ps3's gonna have the blu-ray drive which will totally stomp out any pueny hd-dvd. i'm not ant-microsoft but i'd have to say that xbox is waste of time and money. and whats this crap i'm hearing about the portablegamer that microsoft is trying to get out????
cole09mcfc
it looks real gr8 but controller bit funny, i rekon it will be alright to hold though in the end. Looks like it won't be out till november in the Uk Sad so i got a while to wait to get my hands on one.
RoNiN
HELL YEAH!! dude can't wait till it comes out!
{name here}
I can't wait till the PS3 comes out. I'd like to get an actual gaming machine, not a petty emulator with little interesting games(to me, which I would rather tear the spine out of scorpion than to play games such as Nintendogs, Pokemon, and Harvest Moon(it made me think how much more I like Apple). The Xbox 360 is also a great gaming machine, but I have a feeling they'll be struggling at the end due to the DVD vs Blu-Ray or HD-DVD due to the fact that there coud be spectacular looking and sounding games at the end of this generation.
AlexNet
sciondestiny wrote:
Kael wrote:
Oh, yes. The lineup.

I am a coder. And being a coder I can certainly tell you that the software has to follow the development of the hardware.
In other words, You can write some killer software, but can the hardware handle it? What happens with new technology is that the hardware is created first. You dont really know what the code is going to be capable of until you have the hardware to interact with it. It's hard to explain. Think of it as an OLD Commodore I16 trying to run Windows XP. Better yet, think about trying to write the code for WinXP using an I16. It's impossible. Therefore XP wasn't able to be designed until well after computers that could handle it were put together.

Same theory applies here. Have you even noticed the specs for the PS3? Do you even know what Blu-Ray technology is? The PS3 will be the first to have it. For those of you that don't know, Blu-Ray disc technology uses a blue-violet laser instead of a red one. Know what that means? It uses a smaller wavelength. So while cd's can hold 750Mb of data and a DVD can store just under 4.5GB, a Blu-Ray disc can hold a whopping 25 Gigs. Think of all those games that had to have 4 discs like the last FF. Thats still only about half the data that a Blu-Ray disc can hold. Imagine the possibilities there.
TV Infomercials wrote:

But wait, there's more.


The processor is a completely new type of technology itself as well. It's called Cell Technology. Aptly named for it's design if you ask me. I strongly suggest that you actually read about the architecture before you say that it's laughable at how fast it is. If you know anything whatsoever about hardware architecture then you will realize the truth behind the claims.

Code:

Logo: PLAYSTATION(R)3

CPU: Cell Processor

PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
Total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS
GPU: RSX @550MHz

1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines
Sound:

Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell-based processing)
Memory:

256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz
System Bandwidth:

Main RAM -- 25.6GB/s
VRAM -- 22.4GB/s
RSX -- 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read)
SB -- 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)
System Floating Point Performance:

2 TFLOPS
Storage:

Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1
I/O

USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1
SD standard/mini x 1
CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1
Communication:

Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2)
Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g
Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)
Controller:

Bluetooth (up to 7)
USB 2.0 (wired)
Wi-Fi (PSP)
Network (over IP)

AV Output

Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI: HDMI out x 2
Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1
Disc Media:

CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE



Think long and hard. The Ps3 is going to kick the crap out of the competition....... hands down. There is no way Microsoft or Nintendo are even coming close to this.


Hey Kael I see you are a coder. I am currently learning C++ which to you normal O.S. users means that I am learning on how to make those O.S. better lol. Actually I am only learning the basics and will continue on next year hopefully God willing. Also Kael I strongly agree with you that having a strong machine means better software. I mean you guys shouldn't really be talking, I am not talking about coders though. We know what its like to work with stuff that want to make you kill yourself lol!!! I mean the PS3 is gonna kick *** pretty big, why because Sony has been researching it over the past 7 years including the graphics card. I wouldn't be surprised if if Xbox 360 got all dirty on the shelves after PS3 came out. But that is only my views, you users see it your way. And we coders see the true way if you ask me.



The Cell Processor technology is going to blow all other competition out of the water. Its so advanced compared to all the other processors, and the xbox360 I believe only achieves its greatness through multiple proccessing technology. One thing I dont understand though, is just how much better the throughput will be.
XxPrinceValoxX
The PS3 is going to be a really good console but I just wish I could play Halo 3 on it so thats the only downside but im not going to go buy a Xbox 360 just for that so PS3 will be good
Richous05
Oh i cant wait to get my hands on a ps3 Very Happy sony for life!
EmperorBrandon
The Playstation people have done a superb job of keeping and amassing a large fanbase, same as Microsoft and Nintendo. Nintendo made my thumbs sore with the Pokemon games, Microsoft's Halo made me twitch every time I heard a fly pass by, and Kingdom Hearts AND Crash Bandicoot enchanted me for life.

I've always been more fond of Sony in terms of gameplay. I think that in a straight-up market war, Sony will come out the victor. Even if it's the most expensive, the buyer will pay for what gets him/her the most for his/her money.

And I believe that will be the PS3.

I love all gaming systems, and I'm not a "Sony Fanboy". I own a XBOX, a GC, an N64, a GBASP,a PSP, a PS2, all that jazz. But I've always gotten bored of Microsoft and Nintendo and turned on the PS2. Right now my PS2's broken, so I can't play a PS2 game. And believe me, I want to. More than anything.

In conclusion, I think that the PS3 will stumble and may fall a few times, but ultimately outsell Nintendo and Microsoft.

That's my $.02.

Emperor Brandon
Scaramanga
Well Sony fanboys, looks like you're in for a LONG wait. According to an article in Nihon Keizai Shimbun, the PS3 will be delayed until November 2006 (story courtesy of EuroGamer.) This is apparently due to issues with the copy-protection of Blu-Ray Discs. HA! I hate to say it (nah, I don't really) but I TOLD you so! By the time it makes it to Europe and North America, is this even going to be "next-gen" technology anymore?? Of course by then the 360 will be pretty firmly entrenched with gamers (and I'd wager even quite a few Sony fans won't wait that long, and just pick up a 360 or Revolution - at least if the latter is out by then too.)
mugglesquop
Not coming out until NOVEMBER!!!! WHAAAAAAAAAAATTT!!!
Scaramanga
mugglesquop wrote:
Not coming out until NOVEMBER!!!! WHAAAAAAAAAAATTT!!!

And that's November 2006 in JAPAN. US and European markets will probably be getting theirs in early 2007. Sony I think, really shot themselves in the foot on this one.
dark inca
I love playstation, I will buy it, but i wait at least a half year.

In the beginning the price is just to high, wait a half year or more and the price drops 50€ and even more. So i think i can wait a half year.

But wat must i do with my PS en PS2 ??? i can't sell my PS, nobody wants it Crying or Very sad And what is it worth now??? 40€ or less, Thats not worth to sell it.

Can you copy PS2/3 games with the playstation3?
Greeny
madsencarl wrote:
Well, it's soon on its way. Will you be getting the console that will could possibly flush down the Xbox 360?


Yeah its out November now....

Great. But still i can't wait for it thou Very Happy
Scaramanga
firmawao wrote:
And by the way, the PS3 will have a allround outcoming.
The PS3 will come out in november 2006 in Japan, US and Europe!

Yeah I just read about this myself. Not surprising really; Sony pretty much backed themselves into a corner on this and now HAVE to have a worldwide release on one date. Still, we're talking about 7 months from now, and nearly a year after the 360 was released. I dunno if Sony can make up for lost ground there. And is MS/Bungie can release Halo3 before then, I think they'll have Sony beat.

Also, a lot of the specs I see posted here are meaningless without side-by-side benchmarking (which I doubt we'll see until the PS3 is nearly ready to be released.)
jeffleo
xBox 360 will get owned. But PS3 is seriously too expensive ( I've read it was $1400+ ) and I'm like... WTF?! But seriously, the console spects are awesome. It's like a whole new futuristic machine set to conquer the console nation. xBox360 move aside! And Nintendo is just pure crap? =x FFX total CD is actually 3 OR 2. ( FFX + FFX-2 )

And imagine 25 gigs of space on the CD. The graphics will be so whoppingly real. And the gameplay ( i hope ) wld be really excellent. And more customization could be added. Hmmm... come to think about the possibilities of what games you can actually create...
jenius_92000
I think the price tag for the PlayStation 3 is worth it because if you compare the specs, the XBOX360 is clearly infrerior to the PS3.

PS: No offence to the Microsoft fans out there! Laughing
Simulator
Yes, yes and more yes, but mainly for MGS4, that game looks so dam good!
pppconcept
PS3 , I think it will be very costly , even xbox 360 is outta my reach , i just play games on my comp with my old card Sad . I soon hope to upgrade
selim06
Yes,when it will come to Turkey i'll get it...
Scaramanga
jenius_92000 wrote:
I think the price tag for the PlayStation 3 is worth it because if you compare the specs, the XBOX360 is clearly infrerior to the PS3.

PS: No offence to the Microsoft fans out there! Laughing

The problem really isn't whether the specs are better or worse, but whether consumers will be willing to pay a higher pricepoint than the 360, regardless of specs (and by consumers, I obviously mean your parents, because I sincerely doubt anyone in this thread is over the age of 15.) Very Happy
Mason11987
Dorsk82 wrote:
I think that with the PS3 Sony may be heading towards a real mistake. They have already admitted it is going to be expensive but I actually read somewhere that when asked about its price being prohibitive for kids and families, they stated that they didn't really care if those markets couldn't afford it. I have the money for a PS3 in spades and I am not a kid but videogames should be made accessible to all ages not just targeted at loser adults like myself!! Not only that but I think it is a real mistake to ignore the younger market as well as that of families because most really truly hardcore adult gamers are apt to just play PC games anyways!! Just my two cents... Wink


They never stated they didn't care, stop quasi-quoting things you made up. It is expensive because it is a technological beast really. But they never said they don't care.

TeK wrote:
Looking at the current lineup no. Only two of the games caught my eye. Maybe when more games are anounced


At least they MIGHT have a killer-app, the 360 has yet to have one, maybe obvlion, but if MGS comes out with the PS3, that will be a console selling game.


SilverDogg wrote:


yea, thats right, because if you have the strongest specs you are 100% sure to win! oh wait, thats not right =O. ps2 was the worst one, but still sold most. OMFG =O.

and besides, why is sony rushing to get blu-ray out there? dvd isnt dead yet, and wont be for a long time. and if they are going to sell ps3 for about $500, how crappy will it be considering a regular blu-ray will cost MORE than $1000?


Because HD is out there, and IS going to be popular in the next few years.

The PS2 cost less then a DVD player and they both came out around the same time? I seriously doubt the PS2 was crappy, it isn't as graphically powerful as the xbox, but the gap isn't huge at all.

Nexus4144 wrote:
HELL ya i will be gettin a PS3, espically when i dont have to buy a seperate wireless internet adapter to play online. It also awsome becuase u can hook up to 7 controllers to it at once., and i think there launchin the PS3 for $400 not 500. Im sure becuase they were the the electronics convention here in vegas.


I would be surprised if they got it under $500. $500 isn't a bad price for what you get at all.

madsencarl wrote:
unfraggable wrote:
Shocked You guys really know your playstation stuff. I'm thinking of getting a PS3, but theres the XBOX360 and Nintendo Revolution coming out. Which console is the least expensive?

Nintendo Revolution - what a JOKE. Nintendo are crap now, games have matured but they've been left behind. Nintendogs? What the hell? I'm not two years old! Gimme something I can shoot to bits, then walk over with a satisfying squelch.


Nintendogs is one of the highest selling games recently on ALL consoles EVERYWHERE. You are in the minority my friend, seriously. You can have your opinion, but statistics aren't lying, their concept of games sells BIG.

AzTeK wrote:
When the PS3 is released its going to be all out war between xbox360 and ps3 both competing for the people I heard that ps3 will be releasing GTA Hawaii when ps3 comes out, to blow xbox 360 away, but I also heard xbox 360 will be releasing halo 3 when the PS3 comes out Shocked .


Halo 3 is not going to come out anytime near the PS3 release.

Scaramanga wrote:
jenius_92000 wrote:
I think the price tag for the PlayStation 3 is worth it because if you compare the specs, the XBOX360 is clearly infrerior to the PS3.

PS: No offence to the Microsoft fans out there! Laughing

The problem really isn't whether the specs are better or worse, but whether consumers will be willing to pay a higher pricepoint than the 360, regardless of specs (and by consumers, I obviously mean your parents, because I sincerely doubt anyone in this thread is over the age of 15.) Very Happy


<-- 18 Very Happy
the disturbed
I dont know why people are complaining about the controller's design... it is very logical if you think about it. It is shaped like a boomerang, so when you chuck it at the wall in frustration (like i usually do) it will come back and knock you to your senses instead of breaking on a hard surface.
eLto
just so you know it, the controller seen on the images is just the prototype. the final controller will be revealed on e3 this year.
madsencarl
News: they've scrapped the boomerang, *cough* I mean controller.
People say it's gonna come out at about $499 US. Still not worth it, I say.
LeonSKennedy
to the fanboys: Shut up.

I say this because I'm sick of fanboys bickering about which system is the best. You can throw your numbers at me and I'll just swat them away without a stray thought. The only thing that matters is the QUALITY of the games and the QUALITY of the support. Of course, Sony should definately come down on the price. I'll say that much. But they just started getting a profit from PS2 last year, so it's no wonder that they want to up the price on this one. The only thing that will stop someone from buying a PS3 (other than the price) will be their immature fanboyism that makes them hate all other systems than the one they own. I'm a Sony fan myself, mainly because if you put a Final Fantasy game in front of me I won't sleep for days, but that doesn't mean I won't play XBox just because someone else made it. I couldn't care less what system a game is on, as long as it has awesome graphics, smooth controls, and a sense of purpose. Consoles are pretty much just really expensive pacifiers, they get whiney babies to shut up.

Thank you, and good day.
benji2
ps3 is much better. i will wait 7 more months for it i dont care i wil never buy an xbox they dont appeal to me at all. ps3 all the way!!!
Hunter
In my opinion the PS3 sums up to be -
Overpriced
Controlers are ugly
Screenshots look to be the same as the 360.

With an estimate on the PS3 now on to be £300/480. This is WAAAY overprice. The 360 comes in at £280 with its best package. Which I still think is over priced. The ps3 controlers are horrible, and they are definatly not the right shape to be comfortable. And why do they keep puttin it back? Thats getting really anoying, its been put back 3/4 times now. With a release date now for the end of 2006.
Master-
Sometime i will surely buy it. Just not now.

Need alot mor cash, pluss a new tv. >_<
screamingdecay
Too bad the PS3 and Xbox 360 are on par.

Getting both tho.
redhawk1044
I will most definatly be getting the PS3 when it is released for sale. I have been in line when each of the first two PS's were released and will be standing in line with a smile on my face when this one is released.
pennykia
comparing PS3 n Xbox = =!?
for me is just like comparing linux and windows lolx

personally the hardware spec of PS3 is too tough ! hopefully thier technology is already mature....
screamingdecay
But we must love how Sony tuts that 1080P is True HD when it really isnt haha. and 1080P is the only way to go. Too bad there games arnt even going to play in 1080P like they said but upscale how retarted they lie about alot of crap.

Now we have Bluray and HD-DVD might be making a new format to stop the format war wouldent this delay the PS3 because its using an bluray disc and a new format will make the bluray format gone? Some thing like that sort?

I'm glad that there trying to work the format war out tho.
Joe944
Those of you wondering about price, latest news suggests that the price will be around $600. The reasoning for this is blu-ray of course.

The reason the PS3 is not out right now is because blu-ray isn't ready yet. The actual value of having the blu-ray capabilities in the PS3 is only currently speculation. Who knows how well the format will do once released.

Also, it is impossible to judge the power of the console at this current junction, but I have a good feeling that the potential of the PS3 > Xbox 360.

Of course this is just my opinion.

(The dual shock is an awesome controller design. Such that they used a very similar controller design for the PS2 as they did for the PSX. They understand controller design. Do you really think that they will have the PS3 controller be some piece of garbage? Think twice.)

Can't wait to see what they do as far as using the PSP with the PS3. Imagine the possibilities, although I wouldn't get your hopes up.
novisdesign
Cant justify spending that much for games. I dont care what it has, over 300 dollars is rediculas for video games. I'll stick with my sega game gear.
Sinars
Does anyone know if the PS3 is being released in. Australia at the same. Time as it is in the rest. Of the world?
elyo-luk
ps3 is the worst is similar than ps2....and the price.... i won't buy it!!! never!!!
screamingdecay
I don't call editing an Geforce 6800 and adding on 256 more Ram onto it "Next Gen GPU" but I will still get PS3, I aready got and enjoy my 360. Also will get an WII
RoNiN
I will definately Get Ps3 but only after the first price drop. Razz im hoping it will come out b4 my birthday... lol
urbanbuddha
LeonSKennedy wrote:
to the fanboys: Shut up.

I say this because I'm sick of fanboys bickering about which system is the best. You can throw your numbers at me and I'll just swat them away without a stray thought. The only thing that matters is the QUALITY of the games and the QUALITY of the support. Of course, Sony should definately come down on the price. I'll say that much. But they just started getting a profit from PS2 last year, so it's no wonder that they want to up the price on this one. The only thing that will stop someone from buying a PS3 (other than the price) will be their immature fanboyism that makes them hate all other systems than the one they own. I'm a Sony fan myself, mainly because if you put a Final Fantasy game in front of me I won't sleep for days, but that doesn't mean I won't play XBox just because someone else made it. I couldn't care less what system a game is on, as long as it has awesome graphics, smooth controls, and a sense of purpose. Consoles are pretty much just really expensive pacifiers, they get whiney babies to shut up.

Thank you, and good day.


hear hear! I'm in the same boat as you are.

From personal experience with SONY products: TVs, MD-Players, DVD-players, DVD-Burners, PSP, PS2 and so on. The quality of their electronics have greatly deteriorated over the years and the length of their warranty decreased (5 years >> 1 year >> 90 days).

As well, Sony's first batch of each console always suffered some problems . The ps2 had a weak laser, playing vertical would cause DVDs to heat up the system, movie DVDs were not advised to be played on the PS2. THe PSP and the Slim PS2 having problems with their AC Adaptors.

After the hiroshima bombings, SONY tried to make their electronics exceed the quality of their competitors at least 2 folds. Now that they are a multi-billion dollar company, their success and philosophy (IMO) of form over function then fix up the function later on, has gotten to their heads.

On another note, the price of the PS3 was stated to be "above next gen consoles, but relatively cheaper than a blu-ray player" by Sony Europe President George Fornay. Though that news is a bit old now, recently stated @ http://www.megagames.com/news/html/console/ps3possiblyforusd399.shtml

the PS3 will be 399USD, which is too much of an optimistic view. I place my bet on the system to be at least 500USD considering the technology (cell-technology and blu-ray won't be cheap)

@To those basing their argument on graphics:
Have you checked how Ultra-High-End PCs are capable of? For one, the graphics chip by nVidia is already available in their latest chip. Add in SLi capablity, you already have the graphics power to be more powerful than the PS3. PCs were always better than the consoles in terms of power, but programming a game to be stable on most PCs is difficult and those who want to have the best graphics would easily shell out a couple grand for them. If you want dual 256MB SLi graphic cards, you'll be down $2K

As well, if you're planning to get any next gen system, be sure to invest into a HDTV, if you haven't got on already. (Don't forget, plasma TVs such since it is organic, it WILL die after a couple of years, DLP LCD all the way). The same thing plagues the 360 when games will only look good on a HDTV, otherwise it will look subpar on a normal TV.

In summary:
- Wait out for Sony to drop their price and wait for others to see how the quality of the system is. I usually wait a year
- Specs aren't everything, sure it'll make games run fast and look pretty, but GAMES make or break a system.[/url]
madsencarl
I really want to get the next GTA on PS3, mainly because I reckon they'll have the online mode going strong by then, but I'm still not sure whether it's worth forking out all that money...
usman
Of course I will be getting an PS3 when the price drops a little bit. I think it is really good. I may just get someone to get the PS3 from abroad as it usually turns to be cheaper. I like it. The design is good. The quality will be much better and the games will look better.
I hope they develop a new slim line version of it like the PS2 slimline
Reign


alot of money...
Scorpio
usman wrote:
Of course I will be getting an PS3 when the price drops a little bit. I think it is really good. I may just get someone to get the PS3 from abroad as it usually turns to be cheaper. I like it. The design is good. The quality will be much better and the games will look better.
I hope they develop a new slim line version of it like the PS2 slimline


But you must be prepared to shell out a large amount on buying the CDs or rather the DVDs and Blu Ray Discs of the games,

A PS2 game(original) costs around 30$ at the least,.

You can expect a PS3 one to cost about 50$ at the least
condor666
I think my computer is much better(AMD Athlon X2 3800+) so if i want i could make evolve it, so why should i buy a ps3 who is slower and where i couldn't write here in the forum.
urbanbuddha
scorpio wrote:
usman wrote:
Of course I will be getting an PS3 when the price drops a little bit. I think it is really good. I may just get someone to get the PS3 from abroad as it usually turns to be cheaper. I like it. The design is good. The quality will be much better and the games will look better.
I hope they develop a new slim line version of it like the PS2 slimline


But you must be prepared to shell out a large amount on buying the CDs or rather the DVDs and Blu Ray Discs of the games,

A PS2 game(original) costs around 30$ at the least,.

You can expect a PS3 one to cost about 50$ at the least


That's why you get the rich people buy it first and wait a year or so to make the cost of the media to be more "affordable". It always happens with disc media so you could expect the same with Blu-ray.

The biggest gamble though is the acceptance of Blu-Ray, most people will have to dish out more than $1000 for a Blu-Ray player, or buy the PS3 at the cheapest for ~$640USD (according to the last post). If blu-ray is going to turn out to be a rehash of the Betamax, Sony gots a lot of explaining to do and lose their expected revenue.
Scorpio
urbanbuddha wrote:
scorpio wrote:
usman wrote:
Of course I will be getting an PS3 when the price drops a little bit. I think it is really good. I may just get someone to get the PS3 from abroad as it usually turns to be cheaper. I like it. The design is good. The quality will be much better and the games will look better.
I hope they develop a new slim line version of it like the PS2 slimline


But you must be prepared to shell out a large amount on buying the CDs or rather the DVDs and Blu Ray Discs of the games,

A PS2 game(original) costs around 30$ at the least,.

You can expect a PS3 one to cost about 50$ at the least


That's why you get the rich people buy it first and wait a year or so to make the cost of the media to be more "affordable". It always happens with disc media so you could expect the same with Blu-ray.

The biggest gamble though is the acceptance of Blu-Ray, most people will have to dish out more than $1000 for a Blu-Ray player, or buy the PS3 at the cheapest for ~$640USD (according to the last post). If blu-ray is going to turn out to be a rehash of the Betamax, Sony gots a lot of explaining to do and lose their expected revenue.


This is the reason why piracy flourishes more than any other legit business.

The mod chips they put into the PS2 enables any pirated game to be played in it.

Sony may adapt a foolproof solution to this, but, as always, the pirates are one step ahead.. Razz
Jayfarer
The $500 version will apparently also lack HDMI, built-in Wi-Fi and memory card support.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/e3/499-playstation-3-to-be-gimped-172418.php

Either version is an obscene amount to ask from the industry. They can't keep pushing the envelope on price and expect people to continue going along with it. I hope it sells a pitiful amount to the point where they're forced to drop the price sooner than expected, so that the masses won't have to shell out over half a grand for a console alone.
Scaramanga
scorpio wrote:
The mod chips they put into the PS2 enables any pirated game to be played in it.

Sony may adapt a foolproof solution to this, but, as always, the pirates are one step ahead.. Razz

In all fairness, most mod-chips for PS2s are to enable playing Region 2 games, and not piracy. With the BluRay, that will be a thing of the past, since I believe Japan will be in the same region as most Western countries (and any countries not subscribing to the Berne Convention will be in a totally seperate region, to prevent piracy.)
phinguyen
i'm so freakin glad they tossed the damn batarang controller and decided on the DUALSHAKE controller. but what the hell happen to changing the font of the ps3? are they gonna keep the same worn-out spiderman type face??? hey, i like spiderman, i've been a fan since i could read, and moviez are great (cant wait to see the new one with venom and sandman) but sony should keep thier movie themes and console wars seperate like it was orginized religion and publick skoolz. what does everyone else think of the spider-man typeface?


maybe itz just a promo gag to hype up SPIDERMAN3 sublimliminally??????
Scaramanga
phinguyen wrote:
i'm so freakin glad they tossed the damn batarang controller and decided on the DUALSHAKE controller. but what the hell happen to changing the font of the ps3? are they gonna keep the same worn-out spiderman type face??? hey, i like spiderman, i've been a fan since i could read, and moviez are great (cant wait to see the new one with venom and sandman) but sony should keep thier movie themes and console wars seperate like it was orginized religion and publick skoolz. what does everyone else think of the spider-man typeface?


maybe itz just a promo gag to hype up SPIDERMAN3 sublimliminally??????

Did it ever occur to you that it was a typeface that existed BEFORE the Spider-Man films? Guess what? It did. The Mata typeface was designed by Greg Samata (of Samata/Mason Design.)
chizeled
I don't really care that the typeface is different, that will not persuade me to buy or not to buy. I just want to see the console. Anyone know of a site that I can view the new console? If I look at it I might want to buy it. What is the graphics resolution? Are they going to top X-Box 360. I know someone that bought the x-box and thought the graphics were great. I hope it isn't disappointing, sony has had so much flubs lately, I hope this does well for them.
urbanbuddha
chizeled wrote:
I don't really care that the typeface is different, that will not persuade me to buy or not to buy. I just want to see the console. Anyone know of a site that I can view the new console? If I look at it I might want to buy it. What is the graphics resolution? Are they going to top X-Box 360. I know someone that bought the x-box and thought the graphics were great. I hope it isn't disappointing, sony has had so much flubs lately, I hope this does well for them.


You can look at pics virtually anywhere, google is your friend. You can also try searching at gamespot or IGN.

As for the specs, they are on the first page.

One thing i'm really concern about is the developer's motivation to program games on this system. If anyone had experience doing multi-threaded/multi-processor programing, they know it takes a lot more time to create a workable code, let alone debugging it. Depsite the better peak specs of the PS3, some game developers are going to sweat blood for the next few years to make good games on the ps3.
cdtgames
Shocked
If the PS3 will be that much around there...I don't even want to think how expensive it will be here in Brazil. Maybe 2-3 years after the release it gets affordable here too Confused .
Providence
I wouldn't mind one like.

It looks good, seen the specs.

Don't make much sense to me like, but from what i hear.

It will beat anything hands down. Quoted from another members post.

Althought, it will be pricy to get one. But, i think i'd be worth it.
wsco
the problem for me is money
if i can save much money
sure i will buy it
Shocked
thuganomics
Ive been waiting for Playstation 3 ever since i heard of it Smile
Especially because i saw the Killzone 2 trailer, man it owns!
I would buy Playstation 3 right when the price drops down by a bit.
I have Playstation, Playstation 2 and Playstation Portalble and they are all working great!
chizeled
Quote:
Ive been waiting for Playstation 3 ever since i heard of it
Especially because i saw the Killzone 2 trailer, man it owns!
I would buy Playstation 3 right when the price drops down by a bit.
I have Playstation, Playstation 2 and Playstation Portalble and they are all working great!


Where can I see the Killzone 2 trailer. I would like to see it. I might get for the kids when the price goes down. I would like to look at the graphics first. Where can I look at the specs? Let me know. Thanks.
Kelcey
condor666 wrote:
I think my computer is much better(AMD Athlon X2 3800+) so if i want i could make evolve it, so why should i buy a ps3 who is slower and where i couldn't write here in the forum.



Do you even know how the Cell works?
oye816
i like ps3, because it can play FFXIII.
FFX series is my favorite game, so i am waiting ps3 to be saled.
Mr. McCoy
No doubt, I need the Playstation 3 to play Metal gear solid 4 Wink
The_Gamer294
i might get the ps3, im planing on getting the 360 but if the games suck goodbye 360 hello ps3
urbanbuddha
chizeled wrote:
Quote:
Ive been waiting for Playstation 3 ever since i heard of it
Especially because i saw the Killzone 2 trailer, man it owns!
I would buy Playstation 3 right when the price drops down by a bit.
I have Playstation, Playstation 2 and Playstation Portalble and they are all working great!


Where can I see the Killzone 2 trailer. I would like to see it. I might get for the kids when the price goes down. I would like to look at the graphics first. Where can I look at the specs? Let me know. Thanks.


Try here: http://ps3.ign.com/ or http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/index.html

Games to look out for (in terms of graphics) are Metal Gear Solid 4 and Killzone 2.

Personally, it really depends on your kids and what games they like. Don't buy a system simply because it has the best graphics. I would suggest to take a look at all 3 next gen systems and then make a decision. ONLY if you haven't done so.

For something thats cheaper and directed to a younger active audience (and no I'm not saying Nintendo is a kiddie console), the Nintendo Wii is good system to invest in. At the very least, the damage by your children, if any, done on the system would be financially minimized ^_^

Remember these consoles are going to be expensive with the PS3 ranging from $500-600 USD and you would mostly need a HDTV to get the best performance.
Kelcey
chizeled wrote:
Quote:
Ive been waiting for Playstation 3 ever since i heard of it
Especially because i saw the Killzone 2 trailer, man it owns!
I would buy Playstation 3 right when the price drops down by a bit.
I have Playstation, Playstation 2 and Playstation Portalble and they are all working great!


Where can I see the Killzone 2 trailer. I would like to see it. I might get for the kids when the price goes down. I would like to look at the graphics first. Where can I look at the specs? Let me know. Thanks.


You don't want to see the killzone 2 trailer. It was pre rendered as much of the PS3 stuff was. Compare what you saw at e3 05 and e3 06 and you'll see it's a big let down. Games you should look at are Tekken 6 and Warhawk. If you do wanna see the best graphics... look at Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy XIII (part I believe to be pre rendered). However, only few developers will be able to make games that good. The difference is easily noticable in the ps2 generation as well.
bercha
Hell ya! I am so going to buy one! I saw the demo on TV which was incredible! Very Happy
mathechew
it's to expensive and experimental. look at the controller! i think nothin says nerd more thatn waving a nunchuck around to play a game. sometimes, it's just easier to conform...
ltbennett
ps3 full pakage + controler = £600 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is whey too expencive for a console total rip off compared to xbox 360 + nice controler + game around £275 alot cheaper
Kelcey
ltbennett wrote:
ps3 full pakage + controler = £600 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is whey too expencive for a console total rip off compared to xbox 360 + nice controler + game around £275 alot cheaper


You wanna try that one again? How is it a rip off of the 360? The Cell is a completely different architecture than the 360's 3 core architecture. Furthermore, they announced the research of the Cell FAR BEFORE the 360's specs were even released.

So you wanna play the math game?
Let's compare the "core" editions.

PS3
20 gig hard drive
Blu-ray drive
free online gaming (that's what they're saying as of now)

360
no hard drive
standard dvd drive
40->50 dollars a year for online gaming

Say you don't game online... You're paying 200 more for a blu-ray drive and a 20 gig hard drive. Technically speaking, the PS3 is "better" value IF you wanted a blu-ray drive. Sony is forcing it down your throat which doesn't weigh well. If you don't want a blu-ray drive, then yeah a 360 core is a better deal in a different perspective. However, it isn't in a technological perspective.

What about the "premiums?"

PS3
60 gig hard drive
blu-ray
HDMI
Wifi
Media slots
free online gaming (supposedly)

360
20 gig hard drive
standard dvd
no HDMI
no wifi
no media slots
40->50 for online gaming per year

Once again, for 200 more, you're getting a whole crap load. Whether you want it or not is the question. Same logic holds as it does with the stripped versions.

When you put it in a technological perspective, ASSUMING you wanted all that crap in the PS3, then the PS3 is hands down a better deal over the 360.

So yeah, the PS3 is not a rip off of the 360. Whether it's "expensive" to compared to the 360, it's up to your needs and what you want. Personally I'd do without the blu ray drive, wifi, and media slots.

Well let's not stop there, let's compare the core ps3 and premium 360.

core ps3
20 gig hard drive
blu ray
free online gaming

premium 360
20 gig hard drive
dvd drive
40-50 dollars/year for online gaming

The core ps3 has everything that the premium 360 has plus a blu ray drive. That comes at the expense of 100 dollars. I certainly don't find it worth it. Technologically speaking it's by far worth it. Me, you, and probably 70 percent of the gaming community don't want a blu ray drive right now.

Finally, I live in America. If Sony is completely ripping you off in your currency, I do feel bad for you.
b-n-g
I want it its super console! good games like...dragonballz budakai and soulcalibur!!! Cool Exclamation Exclamation
urbanbuddha
mathechew wrote:
it's to expensive and experimental. look at the controller! i think nothin says nerd more thatn waving a nunchuck around to play a game. sometimes, it's just easier to conform...


Wrong forum, buddy. That "nunchuck" controller is part Nintendo Wii console, but at least SONY ditched their boomerang concept and (somewhat) stole's Nintendo's spatial recogniztion.
clownkiller
in belguim it comes out on my birthday butt i wil buy it when it cost like a €229
Tatsumaru
I'm never one of those fanatics that buy something right away when it's expensive... I'd rather wait Smile I'm still going to have a lot of fun with my PS2 anyway, so I don't need a PS3 anytime soon. I mean, I still have to get Kingdom Hearts 2, Shadow of the Colossus, Soul Calibur 3, God of War 2 and the list goes on...

Although I will get it eventually. I'll never want to miss out on a new Metal Gear Solid or Devil May Cry game.
Empire
The PS3 isn't coming out till November! And It's gunna be $600! yeah I'm getting one! so is my friend! Razz so F all of you loZers who aren't getting one! j/k
maly15
wow this is briliant thing
phinguyen
to the one who told me "did it ever occur to you that the type face was out furst" (Scaramanga) you need to understand that it doesnt matter that the typeface came furst, its the fact that spider-man made the typeface famous in which the type will always will be refered to as the spiderman typeface even if it originally was META type face.

when we see the "strike through" typeface; people dont say "oh thats the strike through font" hell no, we say thats the freakin blade runner font, or when we see comic sans modded we dont say its "comic sans modded" we say hey, thats the simpsons font. point in case, the spider-man font should get tossed and they should jus freakin stick with "Zrnic" and to mr "Scaramanga" that is the original playstation font.
poromenos
i think ps3 is very expensive Sad i will buy it at first price drop Smile
poromenos
poromenos wrote:
i think ps3 is very expensive Sad but i will buy it at first price drop Smile
gothicgeek
Well, Sony is gambling the existence of their company on the success of the PS3, which means I wouldn't want to work for Sony just now. Did you see the footage of Sony at E3?

'This game has battles that actually happened in ancient Japan'
'So here's this giant 20 ft tall enemy crab...'

The one big mistake Sony made was putting Blu-Ray technology in their system. HDTVs still have less than 15% market penetration, and putting in this HD-DVD technology forced them to sell at a very high price, and even then at a huge loss.

I don't even know what Sony's target audience is for this system. Someone with an HDTV, very fast internet, and an interest in 60$+ DVDs as well as even more expensive games, apparently.
eightbitpyro13
At E3, Sony has finally announced the official Playstation 3 release date. It will come out on November 17, in all territories at the same time, apart from Japan that get the PS3 about one week earlier, on November 11.

The Playstation 3 will be sold in two configurations, one with a 60 GB hard disk drive for USD $599 and the other a 20 GB HDD for $499.

A notable difference between the two versions lies in the fact that the cheaper version will lack the HDMI port, the memory slots and WiFi connectivity. The HDMI port would be required to output dual 1080p video, a feat previously announced by “Father of Playstation”, Ken Kutaragi.

Sony’s $599 pricetag for the fully spec’ed PS3 version is certainly a first in the history of video game consoles. The price is mainly a consequence of Sony’s decision to equip the PS3 with a built-in Blu-ray disc player. Blu-ray, one of the new high definition DVD formats, is a rather expensive technology, and stand-alone Blu-ray disc players won’t be available for less than $1,000. From this perspective, the PS3 appears like a bargain!

Quite obviously, Sony is banking on the widespread market penetration of the Playstation brand, making Blu-ray the de facto standard for High Definition DVDs, in a similar way as they were able to bring DVD to the mass market by shipping the PS2 with a built-in DVD player.

At the E3, Sony has revealed that the controller for the PS3 will NOT be the boomerang shaped oddity that was shown previously, but rather the new PS3 controller is based on the good ol’ black DualShock controller that we’ve all grown used to from the PS2.

However, this is not your ol’ standard DualShock from yesteryear: the new PS3 controller comes equipped with motion sensing technology! The controller will have six-axis sensing capabilities and could be used for driving cars, flying planes and other related movements. Very cool!

The downside: They’ve removed the vibration feature from the controller, apparently because the shaking and rumbling interferes with the motion sensor. We figure, some legal aspects may have had to do with this omission too.

Sony has promised an exciting and competitive entry into the online gaming service with the Playstation 3, often referred to as ‘HUB’, however, no details have been released yet.

Xbox 360 continues strong
So, how do the other consoles stack up? Let’s start with the Xbox 360 - the first next generation console out of the starting blocks.

As Sony completes the specifications of its online service, Microsoft has launched “Live Anywhere”, a system that is meant to allow for cross platform gaming between Xbox 360 and “Games for Windows”, ie. games made specifically for Microsoft’s new Windows Vista platform.

Microsoft has also revealed a host of new Xbox 360 accessories that will be released by the end of this year. One surprise was the announcement of an external HD DVD drive - one whose existence Microsoft has repeatedly denied until E3. Maybe Microsoft felt pressured by Sony’s decision to ship the PS3 with a built-in Blu-ray drive straight of the box. Unlike the PS3 that will ship games on Blu-ray discs, the Xbox 360’s HD DVD drive is designed to play HD DVD movies only.



Image source: Cnet
Joining the wireless controller, the Xbox 360 will also get a wireless steering wheel and a wireless headset, plus Xbox Vision, a camera peripheral likely to be similar in use to the PS2’s Eye Toy.

After a long silence, Microsoft confirmed at E3 that Halo 3 indeed was in the works. No surprises there. The teaser trailer that was shown was rather short and didn’t reveal all that much.

So all in all not much news from Microsoft. So how’s Nintendo doing?

Nintendo’s revolution: The Wii!
Nintendo’s console was recently renamed from “Revolution” to Wii. No release date or price has yet been announced, but it seems to be clear that Nintendo is aiming for a lower price point than its competitors, not at least made possible because of Nintendo’s decision to omit HD output for the Wii console.

Their already wickedly innovative controller design for the Wii has received another innovative cherry on top with the inclusion of a built-in speaker on the Wii remote (or Wii-mote, for short).

As far as the Wii remote-nunchuk combination goes, we still wonder about its effectiveness and practicability. Just how long can you play a game where you have to constantly swing and move your arms? While it sounds exciting, we will have to wait until we had some long term experience with it before we can pass judgement.

Summary
Summarizing: The final secrets of the PS3 have now been revealed. We know when, how much, and what the controller looks like and what it can and cannot do. No doubt the Playstation 3 will be a powerhouse that can compete and on some levels, surpass the Xbox 360.

The Xbox 360 keeps building on its headstart, announcing a bunch of new games, some cool peripherals, and further features of Xbox Live.

The Wii looks like the dark horse in this race towards the holiday season, especially if Nintendo can keep the price seductively low. Most people will not be able to afford both an Xbox 360 and a PS3, but the Wii with its innovative gameplay may indeed start a small revolution in our living rooms.

So that’s the latest. A little bit from all has been revealed, but we’re sure there’s plenty still to come (PS3 online gaming comes to mind!). But, all we can do for now is to wait until November when we can finally compare the PS3, Wii and Xbox 360 with some quality hands-on experience.
Kelcey
eightbitpyro13 wrote:
At E3, Sony has finally announced the official Playstation 3 release date. It will come out on November 17, in all territories at the same time, apart from Japan that get the PS3 about one week earlier, on November 11.

The Playstation 3 will be sold in two configurations, one with a 60 GB hard disk drive for USD $599 and the other a 20 GB HDD for $499.

A notable difference between the two versions lies in the fact that the cheaper version will lack the HDMI port, the memory slots and WiFi connectivity. The HDMI port would be required to output dual 1080p video, a feat previously announced by “Father of Playstation”, Ken Kutaragi.

Sony’s $599 pricetag for the fully spec’ed PS3 version is certainly a first in the history of video game consoles. The price is mainly a consequence of Sony’s decision to equip the PS3 with a built-in Blu-ray disc player. Blu-ray, one of the new high definition DVD formats, is a rather expensive technology, and stand-alone Blu-ray disc players won’t be available for less than $1,000. From this perspective, the PS3 appears like a bargain!

Quite obviously, Sony is banking on the widespread market penetration of the Playstation brand, making Blu-ray the de facto standard for High Definition DVDs, in a similar way as they were able to bring DVD to the mass market by shipping the PS2 with a built-in DVD player.

At the E3, Sony has revealed that the controller for the PS3 will NOT be the boomerang shaped oddity that was shown previously, but rather the new PS3 controller is based on the good ol’ black DualShock controller that we’ve all grown used to from the PS2.

However, this is not your ol’ standard DualShock from yesteryear: the new PS3 controller comes equipped with motion sensing technology! The controller will have six-axis sensing capabilities and could be used for driving cars, flying planes and other related movements. Very cool!

The downside: They’ve removed the vibration feature from the controller, apparently because the shaking and rumbling interferes with the motion sensor. We figure, some legal aspects may have had to do with this omission too.

Sony has promised an exciting and competitive entry into the online gaming service with the Playstation 3, often referred to as ‘HUB’, however, no details have been released yet.

Xbox 360 continues strong
So, how do the other consoles stack up? Let’s start with the Xbox 360 - the first next generation console out of the starting blocks.

As Sony completes the specifications of its online service, Microsoft has launched “Live Anywhere”, a system that is meant to allow for cross platform gaming between Xbox 360 and “Games for Windows”, ie. games made specifically for Microsoft’s new Windows Vista platform.

Microsoft has also revealed a host of new Xbox 360 accessories that will be released by the end of this year. One surprise was the announcement of an external HD DVD drive - one whose existence Microsoft has repeatedly denied until E3. Maybe Microsoft felt pressured by Sony’s decision to ship the PS3 with a built-in Blu-ray drive straight of the box. Unlike the PS3 that will ship games on Blu-ray discs, the Xbox 360’s HD DVD drive is designed to play HD DVD movies only.



Image source: Cnet
Joining the wireless controller, the Xbox 360 will also get a wireless steering wheel and a wireless headset, plus Xbox Vision, a camera peripheral likely to be similar in use to the PS2’s Eye Toy.

After a long silence, Microsoft confirmed at E3 that Halo 3 indeed was in the works. No surprises there. The teaser trailer that was shown was rather short and didn’t reveal all that much.

So all in all not much news from Microsoft. So how’s Nintendo doing?

Nintendo’s revolution: The Wii!
Nintendo’s console was recently renamed from “Revolution” to Wii. No release date or price has yet been announced, but it seems to be clear that Nintendo is aiming for a lower price point than its competitors, not at least made possible because of Nintendo’s decision to omit HD output for the Wii console.

Their already wickedly innovative controller design for the Wii has received another innovative cherry on top with the inclusion of a built-in speaker on the Wii remote (or Wii-mote, for short).

As far as the Wii remote-nunchuk combination goes, we still wonder about its effectiveness and practicability. Just how long can you play a game where you have to constantly swing and move your arms? While it sounds exciting, we will have to wait until we had some long term experience with it before we can pass judgement.

Summary
Summarizing: The final secrets of the PS3 have now been revealed. We know when, how much, and what the controller looks like and what it can and cannot do. No doubt the Playstation 3 will be a powerhouse that can compete and on some levels, surpass the Xbox 360.

The Xbox 360 keeps building on its headstart, announcing a bunch of new games, some cool peripherals, and further features of Xbox Live.

The Wii looks like the dark horse in this race towards the holiday season, especially if Nintendo can keep the price seductively low. Most people will not be able to afford both an Xbox 360 and a PS3, but the Wii with its innovative gameplay may indeed start a small revolution in our living rooms.

So that’s the latest. A little bit from all has been revealed, but we’re sure there’s plenty still to come (PS3 online gaming comes to mind!). But, all we can do for now is to wait until November when we can finally compare the PS3, Wii and Xbox 360 with some quality hands-on experience.


And? All the PS3 news that you posted (which looks copy and pasted, but I won't judge) has already been said at one time or another in this thread.
urbanbuddha
gothicgeek wrote:
Well, Sony is gambling the existence of their company on the success of the PS3, which means I wouldn't want to work for Sony just now. Did you see the footage of Sony at E3?

'This game has battles that actually happened in ancient Japan'
'So here's this giant 20 ft tall enemy crab...'

The one big mistake Sony made was putting Blu-Ray technology in their system. HDTVs still have less than 15% market penetration, and putting in this HD-DVD technology forced them to sell at a very high price, and even then at a huge loss.

I don't even know what Sony's target audience is for this system. Someone with an HDTV, very fast internet, and an interest in 60$+ DVDs as well as even more expensive games, apparently.



We all know that the price is hell... but when the PS2 came out, it was also the transition from VHS to DVD, and well that paid off. As well, having a HDMI out is for future planning to phase out the RCA cables... its not like we're going to see any next gen system with an RF out Wink

So gamble or not, one of your arguments is what medium is going to be the successor of DVD, whether its HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, or whatever is next (like pioneer's 100GB disc). Who knows, maybe the respective companies will dish out an external drive of the competition if their main drive is doomed. ^_^
sr.job
offcourse i wil get the ps3, i am moderater on a duch ps3 website: www.ps3focus.nl
lordlinier
it's way too expensive...i mean, i'm in china, i think it's gonna be 5000 or more at first, sony stuff always sell high at my country
Hojo
ill probably wait with getting the PS3 until the price drops some. i just cant afford to buy a brad new console, and at the beginning there probably wont be a lot of games for it, and some, like GTA Hawaii (if it comes out for PS3 at, or shortly after its release) will probably also be playabe on PC.
Usually the games play a vital role in what console will be most popular, and PlayStation 3 will probably have the better games (at least in my opinion, cant really argue about tastes). I just dont like the fact that i wont be able to play FFXIII until i get a PS3, but on the other had that'll take a long time before it comes out, over a year probably, maybe 2 to get released here in europe seeing how game producers often forget about us
ashik
look at the Playstation history.... when ps one came out... it beat its competitions and came out on top....

the same happened in the case of ps2... where it beat the game cube and it outsold xbox and i think, currently, ps2is leading in the number of consoles sold.....

so... looking at sonys history... i would say history is going to repeat itself and even if they have some starting trouble... they will surely go on to be the world's best...... again !!!!....
screamingdecay
ashik wrote:
look at the Playstation history.... when ps one came out... it beat its competitions and came out on top....

the same happened in the case of ps2... where it beat the game cube and it outsold xbox and i think, currently, ps2is leading in the number of consoles sold.....

so... looking at sonys history... i would say history is going to repeat itself and even if they have some starting trouble... they will surely go on to be the world's best...... again !!!!....



I don't see your logic, the only reason PS1 "won" was because sony back mouth and said shit about dream cast and so on.

The reason why Playstation 2 Out sold Xbox was because it WAS OUT 2 years BEFORE it was released. THATS 2 YEARS! And was the only system that was good out.

This time around 360 will have 10Million+ sold by the time of PS3 with the cheaper price for the same graphics just no old "tilit" tech. I dont know about you, but I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TO MOVE MY HOLE HANDS to play a damn game. If your tired, what Your saying I have to move my hands to play some of the games no!.

Anyway, I got my 360 and I am happy. If I get the money I will get one if Not o well wont break my heart.
Kelcey
screamingdecay wrote:


I don't see your logic, the only reason PS1 "won" was because sony back mouth and said **** about dream cast and so on.



I think you're saying they talked crap about the Dreamcast. So that's all it takes to win the console wars? Then I guess the PS3 and 360 both win or lose cause all those idiot execs do is talk trash about one another. I see your logic, it just isn't well... good logic. By the way, I think it's a typo, but it was PS2 vs Dreamcast.

screamingdecay wrote:


The reason why Playstation 2 Out sold Xbox was because it WAS OUT 2 years BEFORE it was released. THATS 2 YEARS! And was the only system that was good out.



So the reason wasn't because of great Japanese support from Square and Konami? Of course it wasn't seeing as how Microsoft is trying hard to get Japanese support with the 360.

New flash, the 360 is out a year before and is still selling like dog crap in Japan. I think around launch time, the ONLY thing it out sold was the first Xbox. Face it, Japan is vastly important to "winning" the war.

screamingdecay wrote:

This time around 360 will have 10Million+ sold by the time of PS3 with the cheaper price for the same graphics just no old "tilit" tech. I dont know about you, but I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TO MOVE MY HOLE HANDS to play a damn game. If your tired, what Your saying I have to move my hands to play some of the games no!.


Same graphics? Explain the exact technical specifics to me and prove it.

I also forgot that your 360 came with a 60 gig hard drive... wireless out of the box... HDMI output... and a next gen movie drive.

Yeah, they're the same except the 360 is cheaper!! YEAH YEAH!

You don't want to move your hands while you play? You won't have to cause they aren't making you. You realize it has all the functionality of a ps2 controller which means you don't have to? Furthermore, you realize developers aren't that stupid to make you tire yourself out? Did you see people who played the Wii at e3 talk about getting tired?

Don't get me wrong, I have a 360 as well. At this moment it doesn't have anything that particularly impresses me whatsoever. I am definitely looking forward to see how Gears of War turns out. While you may find your cup of tea in Halo, I find my cup of tea in Final Fantasy. Each person will have his or her own system they find the best due to the games. If the Xbox didn't have Halo, Dead or Alive, or Ninja Gaiden, would you still consider it the better system (avoid the specs because they're insignificant). If the PS2 didn't have massive amounts of rpgs, I would think the Xbox was the better system. There's no definitive "better" system. It depends on what you like. Nobody thinks exactly like you or me.

ashik wrote:
look at the Playstation history.... when ps one came out... it beat its competitions and came out on top....

the same happened in the case of ps2... where it beat the game cube and it outsold xbox and i think, currently, ps2is leading in the number of consoles sold.....

so... looking at sonys history... i would say history is going to repeat itself and even if they have some starting trouble... they will surely go on to be the world's best...... again !!!!....


Well let's use the argument for Nintendo.

NES = "winner"
SNES = "winner"

So you'd say the N64 would be a winner right? No. The PS1 was the "winner."

Sony isn't doing itself any favors with the crappy showing at E3 and the high price. Really, please don't depend on past generations to tell you anything about the console war unless the same things are happening.
ashik
well i was actually comparing ps and xbox... i know nintendo is good... they are one of the pioneers in this industry... i really respect him...i was only looking at PS and xbox...

well comparing PS and XBOX... i think PS is more genuine.. that xbox... they (sony) have brought out some nice innovations..... in th xbox arena... i like the xbox live... it comes really close to the computer network gaming... Sony somewhat faailed to deliver in this category....

With the launch of PS3 i hope it wud change....

screamingdecay :

Quote:
This time around 360 will have 10Million+ sold by the time of PS3 with the cheaper price for the same graphics just no old "tilit" tech. I dont know about you, but I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TO MOVE MY HOLE HANDS to play a damn game. If your tired, what Your saying I have to move my hands to play some of the games no!.


yes Xbox would have sold a lot by the time PS3 bcomes cheaper... but i think with a lot of fan base... PS3 wiill win over.(..hope...).

Moving ur hands to play a game is not completely necessary... and comeon... are u ever tired that u cant even move ur arm....
Kelcey
ashik wrote:
well i was actually comparing ps and xbox... i know nintendo is good... they are one of the pioneers in this industry... i really respect him...i was only looking at PS and xbox...

well comparing PS and XBOX... i think PS is more genuine.. that xbox... they (sony) have brought out some nice innovations..... in th xbox arena... i like the xbox live... it comes really close to the computer network gaming... Sony somewhat faailed to deliver in this category....

With the launch of PS3 i hope it wud change....

screamingdecay :

Quote:
This time around 360 will have 10Million+ sold by the time of PS3 with the cheaper price for the same graphics just no old "tilit" tech. I dont know about you, but I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TO MOVE MY HOLE HANDS to play a damn game. If your tired, what Your saying I have to move my hands to play some of the games no!.


yes Xbox would have sold a lot by the time PS3 bcomes cheaper... but i think with a lot of fan base... PS3 wiill win over.(..hope...).

Moving ur hands to play a game is not completely necessary... and comeon... are u ever tired that u cant even move ur arm....



In my opinion, the Playstation simply had more variety than the Xbox. Clearly you could tag the Playstation as the RPG system and the Xbox as the FPS system. Both had sports definitely. The Playstation just had other important franchises that fit what people wanted.
ashik
yes thats right..i actually am looking forward for some nice strategy games for the PS3.. it has been a long time since i have played any RTS games
Kelcey
ashik wrote:
yes thats right..i actually am looking forward for some nice strategy games for the PS3.. it has been a long time since i have played any RTS games


haha, why don't you just get them for the pc? I don't even recall any rts worth playing (or any at all) being on the PS1 or PS2.
rayx
For console world Sony Playstation is more popular in our country than XBOX, so I'll go to Playstation 3.
screamingdecay
Dude,

so far the xbox 360 can do anything the PS3 can graphics wise.


All right wow,

Next Gen Bluray
60 GB Hard Drive
HDMI

Guess what, your paying 300.00 more for that also.

You DO NOT need HDMI for 1080P or Any HD. IT DOES NOT LOOK ANY BETTER THEN HD OVER HD-Com Cables!

60GB BIG DEAL, 360 will have better online and bigger hard drives in the future.


BLURAY BIG DEAL, Game designers like my self do nont need 200GB Disc to make video games. We are hardly even using half the dvd9 for 360 games.




Fact is both systems are on par, and your paying a crap more for the PS3 for features that are NOT NEEDED FOR GAMING!.
screamingdecay
Dude, the reason it had Japan dev. was because Sony Had PS1 then PS2 was out 2 years. We know how they are, they dont like anything new. But things are changing, the 360 is aready getting titles from over seas. I can see the next xbox getting alot more titles from over there. It takes time to get respect as a system.


Even the maker of MGS said he could put MGS on 360 and we aready seen games from him on the 360.
Rad Ultima 2
In my personal opinion, I think XBox 360, PS3, and Nintendo Wii all look great and have their own goods and bads.

However, I will only get a console for the games. If Square Enix creates a remake of Final Fantasy VII for the PS3, I will buy it for that reason alone. Razz
ashik
i am currently running linux.. and the only RTS game out here in India is AOE3.. nothing gr8 from what i have seen... i played it in my friends house...
Kelcey
screamingdecay wrote:

Dude,

so far the xbox 360 can do anything the PS3 can graphics wise.


I don't need to say much to this, but just quote myself again until you answer it.

Kelcey wrote:

Same graphics? Explain the exact technical specifics to me and prove it.


screamingdecay wrote:


Guess what, your paying 300.00 more for that also.



So you have a Core 360? Furthermore, you assume that everyone who buys a PS3 is buying a "premium" ps3? Way to skew it. Why don't we just buy a premium 360 and core ps3? The fact is the core ps3 has everything that premium 360 has with a blu ray drive. You can get the SAME system with a blu ray drive for 100 more. Doesn't seem so expensive now does it? And please, when you reply, do state whether you have a Core or Premium.

You're also getting wifi which I have stated over and over that I wouldn't want. But how much is that wifi for the 360? 100 dollars. I have strictly spoken "IF THE USER WANTED THIS."


Thus, in the end. I really am expecting you to say you have the following 360:

The system
No Hard drive and No memory unit
You absolutely don't game online because you don't have the two mentioned above
No wifi
1 Wired Controller
Composite cables

Why do I expect that? Cause you came to the conclusion that people are saving 300 dollars when they buy a 360 as opposed to a PS3. This suggests that anyone who "saves" 300 can't have anything more than what is mentioned above.

Of course accessories like another controller and games and what not are excluded because those are BOTH needed for both systems.


screamingdecay wrote:

You DO NOT need HDMI for 1080P or Any HD. IT DOES NOT LOOK ANY BETTER THEN HD OVER HD-Com Cables!



Whether you need HDMI for 1080P or not, the fact is the Xbox 360 CAN'T output 1080p. So EVEN if HDMI didn't matter, the fact is the 360 can't output that resolution which you are apparently deeming important since you're mentioning it. Furthermore, PS3 games definitely won't take advantage of the 1080p. It's too taxing on the system. The movies will though. In the end, the PS3 CAN output a better/cleaner signal than the Xbox 360. It's up to the person whether they care if their movies are 1080p or not. I personally don't care. Then again, did I ever say I cared? No. So in other words, don't reply to this acting like I said it's important to the game console war.


screamingdecay wrote:

60GB BIG DEAL, 360 will have better online and bigger hard drives in the future.


Let me get this straight. The fact that the PS3 has a bigger hard drive is "BIG DEAL" to you. Yet, when a 360 gets a bigger hard drive that CUTS into your proposed 300 dollar savings, it all of a sudden means something? Please explain this to me.

You seem to have a problem with spending money. So why are you gonna spend more money on bigger hard drives which will cut that 100/200 (or 300 for you core users (that apparently will never buy some important accessories for your system) who buy premiums ps3s) price difference down?

Please define to me what "better online is." You mean annoying bratty kids on xbox live screaming in their headsets when you beat them? Sony and Nintendo are both taking online seriously because Microsoft proved that online is a big thing. The fact is that you'll be able to play games online with people. I don't see how one is "better." You're gonna be playing with annoying kids, friends, and 50 year old men that don't know what they're talking about. In my opinion, Nintendo will be offering the best online service because it's free. It's rumored that Sony will too, but I highly doubt that. It's Sony... they're money devils.


screamingdecay wrote:

BLURAY BIG DEAL, Game designers like my self do nont need 200GB Disc to make video games. We are hardly even using half the dvd9 for 360 games.


I never said Blu ray was important to the games did I? I said it'd cover me for the next generation of movie playing which I assume you'll undoubtedly want as well. If I had the choice, I'd take out the Blu Ray drive as well. So because your "company" hardly fills one dvd, that holds for the rest of the companies? Square-Enix claimed that they needed Blu-Ray for FFXIII (a japanese title that won't ever see light on the 360) to express their artistic views for the game. Does that mean blu ray is important? No. It just means that one company (in your case and square's case) doesn't solve the equation FOR EVERY company. Certain companies will find it useful and others won't, so in the end it plays a factor. I'd like to ask you what company you work at as well. I'm curious.



screamingdecay wrote:

Fact is both systems are on par, and your paying a crap more for the PS3 for features that are NOT NEEDED FOR GAMING!.


We don't NEED a lot of crap for gaming. Nintendo has been giving us consoles without a hard drive since... forever. So who cares about a hard drive for the 360? Apparently a crap load seeing as how the majority laughs at anyone who has bought a core. Blu-ray apparently plays some role in this as perhaps the most respectable console development company claims they NEED it. Furthermore, who needs 3 cores? Who needs the Cell? We don't and Nintendo has proven this. It depends on where you want to draw the lines of what we need. Everyone has their own perceptions of what that is. My perception of it certainly doesn't hold for everyone and neither does your's. So the point is it's up to the person to decide what is NEEDED FOR GAMING!. for gaming as you state.

Finally, I am on your side in some regards. I'd rather have a PS3 with no blu ray, no card readers, no wifi, but with the hdmi. I'm just tired of everyone saying the PS3 is crap loads more expensive than the 360 when it can be at a minimum, 100 dollars more with ALL the features the 360 has + a next gen movie player.

screamingdecay wrote:
Dude, the reason it had Japan dev. was because Sony Had PS1 then PS2 was out 2 years. We know how they are, they dont like anything new.


If I recall, the PS1 was new and they stole a whole crap load of Japanese development from Nintendo. So no, "they don't like anything new" couldn't be more incorrect. Seeing as how Sony also had to deal with Nintendo and Sega who had already been in the industry FAR longer than Sony, going by your logic, the PS1 shouldn't have won its generation. Yet it did.

screamingdecay wrote:

But things are changing, the 360 is aready getting titles from over seas. I can see the next xbox getting alot more titles from over there. It takes time to get respect as a system.


Then, once again, how come the PS1 didn't need two generations or more to do so like the 360 (which still hasn't accomplished Sony's first generation system's achievements).

screamingdecay wrote:

Even the maker of MGS said he could put MGS on 360



Yeah, and what's your point? Nintendo could put Super Smash Bros on the PS3 and 360. So? Square Enix could put FFXIII on the Wii and 360 instead of the PS3. So? The fact is they aren't. The fact is that the PS3 still has the better Japanese titles being MGS4 and FFXIII WHILE THE 360 DOES NOT. THAT IS THE FACT. The fact that MGS4 can be DONE on the 360 has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with Japanese support. If it did, then the first xbox would have gotten more. Japanese don't like anything new? The fact is that the Japanese don't like Microsoft. And since you like to mention Hideo Kojima to support the 360 (even though he isn't right now)... just let me link you for the hell of it.

Disclaimer: Kojima and Nomura don't talk for me, but I (as well as probably 99.9999 percent of people in the world) will most definitely choose to follow them as opposed to some "developer" on a free web hosting forum.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/716/716039p1.html

So please argue against the two biggest names in Japanese game development, not me.

screamingdecay wrote:

and we aready seen games from him on the 360.


I'm ready to completely drop the argument after reading this as you lose a whole deal of credibility by saying it. Hideo Kojima hasn't released jack crap on the 360 yet and hasn't even announced anything for the 360 yet.

And you also mentioned something about the controller... always having to move it? What do you have to say in response to me saying developers won't make you always move and tire you out?

All in all, this argument MEANS NOTHING in the grand scheme of things. Whether blu ray is needed... bigger hard drive.. yadda yadda yadda. The 360, PS3, and Wii are NOTHING without games no matter how innovative or powerful they are. You can discard all the technology and boil it down to one question:

Are the games coming out for this system worth the price?

To me, the 360 is worth its price for the games I will be playing. I definitely find 600 dollars worth it to continue to play MY FAVORITE FRANCHISES that I've been playing since their first incarnations. If you don't find it worth it, that's FINE WITH ME. I AGREE with you if you find it ridiculous to pay 600 dollars for a system. We all have our opinions (i honestly can't count how many times I've said it) and I RESPECT your opinion on the PS3. I even stated I would go along with you in ripping out half the crap that IS in it. My argument is purely that IT IS NOT BUTT LOADS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE 360 EVERYONE HAS. I will go out in a limb and say that I HAVE PROVEN THAT NOW. I'll say it again. I would gladly take a CHEAPER PS3 (lacking blu ray, wifi, and card readers) over the pile of crap they're releasing in November. What I want is irrelevant to this argument though.
redwulfe
Kael wrote:
Oh, yes. The lineup.

I am a coder. And being a coder I can certainly tell you that the software has to follow the development of the hardware.
In other words, You can write some killer software, but can the hardware handle it? What happens with new technology is that the hardware is created first. You dont really know what the code is going to be capable of until you have the hardware to interact with it. It's hard to explain. Think of it as an OLD Commodore I16 trying to run Windows XP. Better yet, think about trying to write the code for WinXP using an I16. It's impossible. Therefore XP wasn't able to be designed until well after computers that could handle it were put together.



I am a programmer as well and I think that you are over estemating one thing, the market itself. Given that PS3 is going to be the most advanced system on the market it still will not have supperior games to the other lines except in the case of propriatory games.

Why? Because the companies writting those games have to make there games available on other system as well. Being abel to reuse code allows the company programming the game to cut corners and save money. so if the company developes a game for the Xbox 360 and the same game can be palyed on the PS3 with a slight modification. This slight modification does not fully use the PS3's capabilities but it still agood program. A heaveir modification could be made to fully use the PS3's full capabilities but it would cost more. Most companies will not make the heavier mods to the game, because this is still a buiness and a buisness must make profits or it will go under.

So I feal that the PS3 is a sound and very impressive machine but because its compition is not the software comming out for it will only use a fraction of its true potential at almost twice the price. Givin that consummers whant more bang for their buck it may not be a sound stratagy for sony at this time, to produce such a high end system. Then again the consumer may plan for the future and ge tthe higher end system so they do not have to upgrade latter. This in turn could force the other companies to keep up and they may update their systems to join the race. This would give game producers more tech to work with and propell the technology of the video game industry forward. Only time can tell. I know that the second senerio is what sony wishes for.

Tim
Kelcey
redwulfe wrote:
Kael wrote:
Oh, yes. The lineup.

I am a coder. And being a coder I can certainly tell you that the software has to follow the development of the hardware.
In other words, You can write some killer software, but can the hardware handle it? What happens with new technology is that the hardware is created first. You dont really know what the code is going to be capable of until you have the hardware to interact with it. It's hard to explain. Think of it as an OLD Commodore I16 trying to run Windows XP. Better yet, think about trying to write the code for WinXP using an I16. It's impossible. Therefore XP wasn't able to be designed until well after computers that could handle it were put together.



I am a programmer as well and I think that you are over estemating one thing, the market itself. Given that PS3 is going to be the most advanced system on the market it still will not have supperior games to the other lines except in the case of propriatory games.

Why? Because the companies writting those games have to make there games available on other system as well. Being abel to reuse code allows the company programming the game to cut corners and save money. so if the company developes a game for the Xbox 360 and the same game can be palyed on the PS3 with a slight modification. This slight modification does not fully use the PS3's capabilities but it still agood program. A heaveir modification could be made to fully use the PS3's full capabilities but it would cost more. Most companies will not make the heavier mods to the game, because this is still a buiness and a buisness must make profits or it will go under.

So I feal that the PS3 is a sound and very impressive machine but because its compition is not the software comming out for it will only use a fraction of its true potential at almost twice the price. Givin that consummers whant more bang for their buck it may not be a sound stratagy for sony at this time, to produce such a high end system. Then again the consumer may plan for the future and ge tthe higher end system so they do not have to upgrade latter. This in turn could force the other companies to keep up and they may update their systems to join the race. This would give game producers more tech to work with and propell the technology of the video game industry forward. Only time can tell. I know that the second senerio is what sony wishes for.

Tim


Yeah, you're absolutely right. However, who buys a system for the multi platform titles? Nintendo fans will buy the Wii for the Nintendo games... Xbox fans will buy the xbox 360 for halo 3, gears of war, and ninja gaiden 2... Playstation fans will buy the PS3 for FFXIII and Metal Gear Solid... The exclusives are the reasons why people pick one system over another (or complete fanboyism believing a console alone can "win" without any games). The top 360 exclusives will push the 360's power while the top PS3 titles will push the PS3's power. I certainly expect the most innovative ways to play games to come from the Nintendo games as well.
redwulfe
Very true, I'm buying the PS3 for Metal Gear and Assassins creed. Smile
Kelcey
redwulfe wrote:
Very true, I'm buying the PS3 for Metal Gear and Assassins creed. Smile


I think Assassins Creed will be going multiplatform. I hasn't been officially announced, but rumors are it'll be on 360 and/or pc as well.
kaokae
I don't think PS3.
I will continue with PC.
drkarthi
If the price drops down only. Its costly.
ehm_qhl
i would wait for the dropped price... and after... i will think more about that... but i dont love XBOX360 ... i prefer Playstation ...
Juparis
It would have to drop down to $5 before I would ever go near it.

I'm not Xbox-obsessed, but Microsoft simply pumped out so much more in their performance and games than Sony's ever done with any of their products. PS2 was so crappy that they're trying to make PS3 make up for everything that sucks on the PS2. The price of it suffers dramatically because of that.

You're better off buying an Xbox 360 and a Nintendo Wii both for less than what it would take to purchase a single PS3, which doesn't even have any good games going for it.

Once Sony stops ripping off their customers and stealing their ideas from other companies, I might start buying their products. Till that day comes (assuming the bigots at the top could ever get that far), I'm staying far away. Xbox alone is enough entertainment for me.
Kelcey
Juparis wrote:


I'm not Xbox-obsessed, but Microsoft simply pumped out so much more in their performance and games than Sony's ever done with any of their products.


You're entitled to your opinion and it may be the case for you. However, the majority (by sales and myself) wouldn't agree with you. I'll say the PS2 had more exclusives (yes, that includes games being released on PC not being defined as exclusive) and more variety.

Juparis wrote:

PS2 was so crappy that they're trying to make PS3 make up for everything that sucks on the PS2. The price of it suffers dramatically because of that.


I wouldn't say they're making a PS3 cause the PS2 was a technical piece of garbage. Sony is just idiotic and they want blu ray in everybody's homes.

Juparis wrote:

You're better off buying an Xbox 360 and a Nintendo Wii both for less than what it would take to purchase a single PS3, which doesn't even have any good games going for it.


In your mind, Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy Versus 13, Tekken 6, Virtua Fighter 5, and Assassin's Creed aren't good games... that's fine. If you think Gears of War, Halo 3, and Dead or Alive 4 are the greatest games God has ever graced us with, that's great too.

Okay, this is Japanese, but I think you get my point:

Quote:

In the latest Famitsu Reader’s Most Wanted List, Final Fantasy 13 has remained at Number 1. While Final Fantasy Versus 13 has gone down three places to Number 18.

Votes were gathered for this Most Wanted List between the 16th of June and the 22nd of June.

1. Final Fantasy XIII PS3 (Square Enix)
2. Persona 3 PS2 (Atlus)
3. Final Fantasy III NDS (Square Enix)
4. Biohazard 5 PS3 (Capcom)
5. Metal Gear Solid 4 PS3 (Konami)
6. Kamaitachi no Yoru 3 PS2 (Sega)
7. Xenosaga Episode III PS2 (Namco)
8. Blue Dragon Xbox 360 (Microsoft)
9. Gyakuten Saiban 4 NDS (Capcom)
10. Seiken Densetsu 4 PS2 (Square Enix)
11. Super Robot Taisen: Original Generations PS2 (Banpresto)
12. Sengoku Basara 2 PS2 (Capcom)
13. Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 13 PS2 (Konami)
14. Super Smash Bros. Brawl Wii (Nintendo)
15. Pokemon Diamond & Pearl NDS (Nintendo)
16. Zelda no Densetsu: Phantom Hourglass NDS (Nintendo)
17. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess Wii (Nintendo)
18. Final Fantasy Versus XIII PS3 (Square Enix)
19. Summon Night 4 PS2 (Banpresto)
20. Utawarerumono PS2 (Aquaplus)

From www.Final-Fantasy-13.com


And IF you're thinking about saying, "you got that from ff13.com," read the first paragraph of it.

So yeah the PS3 has no games going for it... you know, considering the top 7 games will be on the PS3. Yes this is Japanese so they're inclined to vote for Japanese games. However, this certainly doesn't fall in line with your comments by far. Hey, for the sake of it, I'm going to claim that NO XBOX titles are on there. What's that you say? Blue Dragon (Microsoft)? Oh no, that's complete crap as you have proven. Right? Sakaguchi created butt loads of games on the Playstation which you have already said all sucked. So really, don't use Blue Dragon as any type of defense as you've already claimed Sakaguchi can't make games. Finally, this list isn't to PROVE that the PS3 has more/better games than the 360, so don't go pull out some american list with Halo 3 at top. You said the PS3 has no games going for it. I'm refuting that point. That's all.

So if someone says the Halo sucked and the Xbox was a piece of crap and everything tha was ever on it was complete garbage, what would you think about that person? Okay, got it? Now that's what a huge amount of console owners think about you.

You know though, for all the crap you're talking about the ps2, you aren't making the xbox look very good. You have claimed the PS1 and PS2 had no good games and they all sucked and everything about the playstations have touched hairy balls. I can only conclude, since the PS2 dominated the XBox in sales (and has currently outsold the 360), that the Xbox and Xbox 360 are made up of more stinkier crap. Oh by the way, just check this out for fun. It'll back up your claim completely.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/06/09/us-hardware-sales-in-may-ps2-on-the-rise-360-takes-a-dip/

Well, maybe you already get it by looking at the URL.

Disclaimer: Sony sucks.

Yeah, I think Sony sucks and I hate them. I'm not going to deny that their systems have reigned supreme for both of their generations. The Xbox introduced online gaming to consoles which is huge. But wait, should I let my personal opinion about it get in the way and make claims like you have? "Online gaming is filled with a bunch of 5 year olds that do nothing but cuss all day and ruin the game. Therefore, the XBox is the crappiest system ever and all its games were made by bald monkeys and you shouldn't play them because I don't like them because my opinion rules all and I'm smarter than everyone." While I don't like gaming online on consoles, I'll give Microsoft its deserved credit. It's quite apparent they did a good job as Sony and Nintendo are taking online more seriously.

As far as "ripping off" goes. Do I think Sony ripped off Nintendo in some fashion with their half assed tilting controller? Of course I do. But that's all they've done this generation. If you wanna say they ripped off anything else... I'll be glad to outline it.

Sony ripped off using CDs for gaming from the PC, sega CD, or 3DO. If this is the case, Microsoft ripped off either the PC, Sony, Sega, or Panasonic(if you want to think in terms of consoles).

Sony ripped off analog sticks from Nintendo. Definitely true. But do you see your XBox controller? What's that on it? Analog sticks. So Microsoft just ripped off Nintendo too.

What's that? There are shoulder buttons and a Dpad on the Sony controller? Yeah, they ripped off Nintendo here too. BUT WAIT. The Xbox controller... what is this? Shoulder buttons and a dpad? You get the picture...

The fact is that Microsoft isn't innocent either. If you're not going to buy a PS3 because it just rips other companies off and steals ideas, then you better not have a 360 because Microsoft is JUST as guilty as Sony (with the exception of the half assed tilt controller).

If you want to claim HD is new, PC gamers have been gaming in HD far before console players have. Sony announced that the ps3 would be outputting HD at the same E3 Microsoft did. If you want to claim downloading demos is new, PC gamers have been doing it for ever as well. If you want to claim that Microsoft was the first to bring this stuff to consoles, in terms of ACTUALLY using it, yes. However you really think Sony and Nintendo only made up their minds after hearing what Microsoft was doing? Hardly not. Sony is taking it a step further. They're introducing the possibility of homebrewing and distributing full games online. But wait, do you want to say that PCs have this capability already? That's fine, then you're also saying Microsoft hasn't introduced anything to the industry either as I've stated above.

Well hey, like I said. Your opinion is your opinion and you can live that way and completely ignore Sony if you choose. I personally think it's complete ignorance and/or Xbox fanboyism (despite your claims). I enjoy all three systems as they all have something worth playing.
EoD-Oblivion
Well I've been a fan of PS since it first came out. I have every system so yea I'm getting the PS3 when it comes out.....BLOW 360 to the ground!
ibix
When PS3 come out, I will not buy it becouse of price... I ll wait one year or two and bought it cheaper Smile

now I have PS2 ... for me 2 games for this platform are enough to have a fan Smile (pro evolution soccer 5 & Burnout 3)
ashik
well i dont think we... have to wait too long for the price of the PS3 to come... down... if sony's plan works out....we will get a cooler and less priced PS3 by end of 2007.
screamingdecay
What I heard is sony plans on making differnt models with differnt speeds

such as a faster PS3 that cost more
slower ect.

But I find this retarted, WHO IN THERE RIGHT MIND IS GOING TO WANT TO SALE DIFFERNT MODELS? This means games could not work on the lower end models. What I see, sony needs to stop trying to make Playstation a computer and keep there eye on gaming . Not Computer Software and bluray crap in there system.
bimbel
I think I wait till GTA 4 will come out for PS3 and if the price is acceptable then I'll get myself one... (so damn expensive)
ashik
Sony is trying to beat MS at their own game.. if PS3 can really be used as an everyday computer then we will be seeing less of PCs or Xboxs in the living room...

i think , then, Many more wud go for PS3 as it combines all gadgets into one neat package... it will give u power of a high end computer.. it will play games... it will prod superb visuals and sound for movies...
Juparis
Kelcey wrote:
You're entitled to your opinion and it may be the case for you. However, the majority (by sales and myself) wouldn't agree with you. I'll say the PS2 had more exclusives (yes, that includes games being released on PC not being defined as exclusive) and more variety.

Yea, I realize sales are definitely against my opinion, but I'm not about to assimilate just because of that. There were so many small-name games for the PS2 that they sort of ran together. It had a great selection of big-name games too, but the vast majority of games just kinda bled through eachother like watercolors. That's just my opinion, though.

Kelcey wrote:

I wouldn't say they're making a PS3 cause the PS2 was a technical piece of garbage. Sony is just idiotic and they want blu ray in everybody's homes.

Yea, that makes more sense. I shouldn't have said that the PS2 was crappy--it was a great game station for years, but I think they could have improved more than just it's size for as many years as it's been out..

Kelcey wrote:

In your mind, Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy Versus 13, Tekken 6, Virtua Fighter 5, and Assassin's Creed aren't good games... that's fine. If you think Gears of War, Halo 3, and Dead or Alive 4 are the greatest games God has ever graced us with, that's great too.

Metal Gear Solid - I've only heard the name thrown around--never seen the game nor do I have any clue what it's about. So no, it doesn't stand out in my mind.
Final Fantasy series got old after the first few games. I don't give it any credibility.
Tekken was fun, but is best kept in the arcades. Though I admit if it were out on the Xbox I'd be playing it all day. Laughing
I've never heard of Virtua Fighter (can you tell I'm no "know-it-all" yet?), but Assassin's Creed is definitely a big name. I mispoke because I stole the quote from the Wii60 campaign.

Kelcey wrote:
So yeah the PS3 has no games going for it... you know, considering the top 7 games will be on the PS3. Yes this is Japanese so they're inclined to vote for Japanese games. However, this certainly doesn't fall in line with your comments by far. Hey, for the sake of it, I'm going to claim that NO XBOX titles are on there. What's that you say? Blue Dragon (Microsoft)? Oh no, that's complete crap as you have proven. Right? Sakaguchi created butt loads of games on the Playstation which you have already said all sucked. So really, don't use Blue Dragon as any type of defense as you've already claimed Sakaguchi can't make games. Finally, this list isn't to PROVE that the PS3 has more/better games than the 360, so don't go pull out some american list with Halo 3 at top. You said the PS3 has no games going for it. I'm refuting that point. That's all.

The Japanese never embraced the Xbox nor the amazing features on Xbox Live because most never play online games--that's why they don't give a rat's ass about how horrible online play is for the PS2. Razz
If the PS2 had as much competition in Japan (as well as other countries) as in the US (though I might be overestimating), then I'm sure there would be more Xbox games on the list. As for Japan, though, I'd have to push the idea you mentioned--they're going to buy games made in their country over any American crap any day.
The PS3 does have games going for it--all the repetitive crap that the Japanese love and adore. (No offense to any Japs out there)

Kelcey wrote:
So if someone says the Halo sucked and the Xbox was a piece of crap and everything tha was ever on it was complete garbage, what would you think about that person? Okay, got it? Now that's what a huge amount of console owners think about you.

I would respect that person's opinion because I completely understand where they're coming from--I use to think the exact same opinion, so why should I attack them so fiercely? Just to defend some undeserved reputation? No, sorry, but I don't typically do that (unless I'm in a rant Wink ).

Kelcey wrote:
You know though, for all the crap you're talking about the ps2, you aren't making the xbox look very good. You have claimed the PS1 and PS2 had no good games and they all sucked and everything about the playstations have touched hairy balls. I can only conclude, since the PS2 dominated the XBox in sales (and has currently outsold the 360), that the Xbox and Xbox 360 are made up of more stinkier crap.

Did I ever say that Xbox was immaculate and that the 360 was the most holy of holies? No, because they simply aren't. Playstation is overrated--I try and push that idea while others are still indulging in their dreams of the perfect game, as if $ony was even able to come out with something like that. I play the Xbox because it's fun for me and my friends, not because I think it's the best gaming system that could have ever graced this earth. But the topic pertains to PS3, so that is what I'm going to attack (with some exaggeration, I know).

Kelcey wrote:

Disclaimer: Sony sucks.

So does Microsoft, but at least they have an unselfish leader like Gates to set an example. There's nobody more greedy than Sony though.

Kelcey wrote:
Yeah, I think Sony sucks and I hate them. I'm not going to deny that their systems have reigned supreme for both of their generations. The Xbox introduced online gaming to consoles which is huge. But wait, should I let my personal opinion about it get in the way and make claims like you have? "Online gaming is filled with a bunch of 5 year olds that do nothing but cuss all day and ruin the game. Therefore, the XBox is the crappiest system ever and all its games were made by bald monkeys and you shouldn't play them because I don't like them because my opinion rules all and I'm smarter than everyone." While I don't like gaming online on consoles, I'll give Microsoft its deserved credit. It's quite apparent they did a good job as Sony and Nintendo are taking online more seriously.

I will acknowledge that Sony has had totalitarian control over the gaming market for quite some time--but that doesn't make them good in any way. Gameplay should decide a game's credibility, not the 1337 gfx or the big brand name it falls under. Yet that's all that people judge games by, so that is what I'm inclined to attack.

As for online play, it was the Dreamcast that introduced the revolutionary idea--PS2 fed off of that idea, but it took the Xbox to take advantage of the technology to really get it going.

Kelcey wrote:
As far as "ripping off" goes. Do I think Sony ripped off Nintendo in some fashion with their half assed tilting controller? Of course I do. But that's all they've done this generation. If you wanna say they ripped off anything else... I'll be glad to outline it.

Sony has ripped off tons of features from other companies--even those only aspiring to make a console, but without the financial support to make it competable. Sony, more or less, introduced these features into the "fair-game" area. It's not that every company is now ripping off the original. No, I like to think of it as "Sony took the idea and displayed to the world how no unique feature is safe to its intended console."

Kelcey wrote:
The fact is that Microsoft isn't innocent either. If you're not going to buy a PS3 because it just rips other companies off and steals ideas, then you better not have a 360 because Microsoft is JUST as guilty as Sony (with the exception of the half assed tilt controller).

I realize that Microsoft is not innocent either, however I just explained why I don't think of their actions as theft. That's just my opinion, though. Microsoft is not as guilty because once something is taken out of your home and put on the shelf of a store anyone can buy it (even if it's at Goodwill).

Kelcey wrote:
Well hey, like I said. Your opinion is your opinion and you can live that way and completely ignore Sony if you choose. I personally think it's complete ignorance and/or Xbox fanboyism (despite your claims). I enjoy all three systems as they all have something worth playing.

At least you can acknowledge my claims as opinion in this thread. Very Happy Wink
I don't ignore Sony, however. I boycott them, but I have far too many more reasons to mention them all here. $ony is the pinnacle of greed and back-alley transactions, to me. I simply cannot trust them. I realize that they've had a pretty tight grip on the console wars that have been going on, but that doesn't make then any better than any other company. I let gameplay decide my vote, not just a big name, the domination of a market, and half-arsed replicated games. But as you said, that's just my opinion.
Praes
I will be buying the PS3 for sure. THE DAY IT COMES OUT.
Then i will take the rest of the week off and play the thing until my thumbs wear off or i go back to work.

I grew up on the Atari's and have been a SONY fan since PS1. I have owned at one time every console that Sony has came out with.

PS3 will rock the house.

and you can take that to the bank!
Captain Stupid
The ps3 will rundown the 360 by far!
ForceRun
I'm a PC fan, I can't see any reason at all to down grade and buy any concle. My PC is all ready a close match to the yet unreleased PS3, Blue Ray will soon be out for PC, and after that what else does the PS3 offer me? And a PC is ten times more upgradable. In a year or so, I can just get a GeForce 8 or what ever is out, while Mr. PS3 is stuck with the old crap.
william
The Playstation 3 will be a great console, probably the best there is. When comparing the Playstation 3 to the Nintendo Wii, the PS3 is loaded with the best hardware, while the Wii is the more innovative one. Sony is not as innovative as Nintendo. (Examples: Nintendo Wii's Controller and the DS's Touch Screen). I do plan on buying the Playstation 3, though not at the launch date. The hardware is obviously the reason I like it. The Cell CPU, Blu-ray Drive, up to 7 wireless controllers using Bluetooth, High Definition, etc. I also like the controller. Even though the design is the same as the previous one, it's motion sensitive (not as much as the Wii) and you can tilt it at a 6 degree angle, which is cool, but not the best. The Playstation 3 kills the Xbox 360. Microsoft launched it a little too early. I liked the Xbox, but I don't like the Xbox 360. Anyway, I will buy a Playstation 3, not at the launch date, but later on, and I will buy a Nintendo Wii after that.
Whong
william wrote:
The Playstation 3 will be a great console, probably the best there is. When comparing the Playstation 3 to the Nintendo Wii, the PS3 is loaded with the best hardware, while the Wii is the more innovative one. Sony is not as innovative as Nintendo. (Examples: Nintendo Wii's Controller and the DS's Touch Screen). I do plan on buying the Playstation 3, though not at the launch date. The hardware is obviously the reason I like it. The Cell CPU, Blu-ray Drive, up to 7 wireless controllers using Bluetooth, High Definition, etc. I also like the controller. Even though the design is the same as the previous one, it's motion sensitive (not as much as the Wii) and you can tilt it at a 6 degree angle, which is cool, but not the best. The Playstation 3 kills the Xbox 360. Microsoft launched it a little too early. I liked the Xbox, but I don't like the Xbox 360. Anyway, I will buy a Playstation 3, not at the launch date, but later on, and I will buy a Nintendo Wii after that.


It may have the best hardware, but will it sell the best? I doubt! It is so expensive and it is just the same old PlayStation whereas Nintendo is bringing something totally new to the gaming market!

Wii Rocks and We rock too! Wink Idea
william
Whong wrote:
william wrote:
The Playstation 3 will be a great console, probably the best there is. When comparing the Playstation 3 to the Nintendo Wii, the PS3 is loaded with the best hardware, while the Wii is the more innovative one. Sony is not as innovative as Nintendo. (Examples: Nintendo Wii's Controller and the DS's Touch Screen). I do plan on buying the Playstation 3, though not at the launch date. The hardware is obviously the reason I like it. The Cell CPU, Blu-ray Drive, up to 7 wireless controllers using Bluetooth, High Definition, etc. I also like the controller. Even though the design is the same as the previous one, it's motion sensitive (not as much as the Wii) and you can tilt it at a 6 degree angle, which is cool, but not the best. The Playstation 3 kills the Xbox 360. Microsoft launched it a little too early. I liked the Xbox, but I don't like the Xbox 360. Anyway, I will buy a Playstation 3, not at the launch date, but later on, and I will buy a Nintendo Wii after that.


It may have the best hardware, but will it sell the best? I doubt! It is so expensive and it is just the same old PlayStation whereas Nintendo is bringing something totally new to the gaming market!

Wii Rocks and We rock too! Wink Idea


Very Happy I doubt it will sell the best. But I would call the Playstation 3 a bargain if you're comparing it to the first generation Blu-ray players. (Priced at $1000). The Wii might sell be the best seller, because of its price. (I've heard that it will be priced under $250).
Juparis
Under $250?!? Haha, I'll be buying the Wii long before I get my hands on a 360.

I use to think that competition between Sony and Microsoft would be good, but now it's just a who-can-cram-more-hardware-into-a-box competition. Seriously... (although 7 controllers is not something I'd complain about, having parties and such)
Whong
In the end, it is not about the better hardware in a console, but about the innovation! That's the trick, Sony and Microsoft stay with the basic gaming, where as Nintendo takes a bigger step, that will most likely make it the hottest thing on console markets! Wink Idea

I defenitely hope so! Idea
Josso
I'll buy one mostly for the GTA and other goodies, I've always enjoyed PlayStation generally since the second one so yeah I'll buy one but only when the price goes down, it's a lot of money for a console Very Happy.
PMonkey
I don't think I'll buy a PS3. It does come with the Duel Core processors but intel have already released the Duel Core for PCs so... I'll just wait till I buy a new PC in a year or so.
BBurton22
PC gamin pisses me off. I'd rather have a controller and some analog sticks along with a nice sized screen in front of me. But maybe its because when i play computer games, i sit in a computer chair and when i play console games i lay on a couch..hmmm
jacko87
I will be gettin a PS3 it will be 2 good 2 miss out on. It will be so much better than the xbox 360. I will never buy an xbox im 2 much of a playstaion fan. I hope that it is as good as they make it out 2 be as if it isnt i will be disappointed.
jacko87
I cant wait for the ps3 to come out coz of the new gta game. It should be awesome as san andreas was great. It can only get better i have just finished playing liberty stories which was great fun. I think that it is a great idea 2 use a game they have made and have a story before that game. It was something different and i cant wait for vice city stories 2 come out as that should be great game 2 play. So bring it on
Shanghai_Dragon
I would get the PS3 if I had the money... $600 is a lot of money. If it goes down to $400-$450 I will get it. It is better to get a later version anyways, they will most likely improved it then. The game I would want most for PS3 is Metal Gear Solid 4
tuncay
Most of the people around here only play Winning Eleven or PES, so dunno if it's worth it Smile
PMonkey
Has anybody seen the trailers for gangs of london it looks great. ihear they might be bringin it out on ps3 which wud be cool as the graphics shud be so much better than the ps2 version.
Whong
I don't really see why is it so expensive? There is just good hardware, is it so expensive? Confused

I'd rather buy a computer! Idea
ParkourJP
Yes, I dont see how it can be so expencive... But I can barely wait to get my hands on that baby! Is there any new things added on other than better quality and the games? I have been busy these days and I couldnt find so many information on it. Can someone inform me with some of the latest PS3 Info? Smile
Praes
ParkourJP wrote:
Yes, I dont see how it can be so expencive... But I can barely wait to get my hands on that baby! Is there any new things added on other than better quality and the games? I have been busy these days and I couldnt find so many information on it. Can someone inform me with some of the latest PS3 Info? Smile


I've been hitting up this site for info http://ps3fanboy.com/.

Great site and loads of info thats skewed towards those who want a PS3.
UnikeViruz
My brother has a 360, So I'll most likely get a PS3 when they arrive...Of course though, With Halo 3 Being on the xbox I'll eventually get one of them around the time Halo 3 comes out.
ParkourJP
Praes wrote:
ParkourJP wrote:
Yes, I dont see how it can be so expencive... But I can barely wait to get my hands on that baby! Is there any new things added on other than better quality and the games? I have been busy these days and I couldnt find so many information on it. Can someone inform me with some of the latest PS3 Info? Smile


I've been hitting up this site for info http://ps3fanboy.com/.

Great site and loads of info thats skewed towards those who want a PS3.


Thankyou for the website, Ill be checking it out.
rijke111
I will definately buy the PS3, altough the new Nintendo Wii sound good as well.
ashik
Nintendo Wii is a one of a kind.. Nintendo consoles are classics, in one way or the other.. u can't really discriminate between it and ps or xbox... Nintendo will always have a special place in my gaming arsenal...i think its so for many fellow gamers out there.
Wink
Juparis
Yesh--it is most definitely true. Wink

If the PS3 had Saint's Row and Halo3, I wouldn't waste a second in buying it. I've seen a lot of previews recently that made me reconsider the PS3. In the end, it's just too damn expensive--I'll only be able to afford a 360 (there's enough used or refurbished out there already). I'll just have to miss games like Assassin's Creed or Heavenly Sword. Sad
Terrasis-Cian
It was nearly impossible to get one!After a while the price dropped a bit and now everyone has one and the people who paid more for theirs regret it! I will wait till the price on the ps3 drops and in the meanwhile i will buy playstation2 games for nothing(when the once cost a fortune). I might consider just doing up my pc a bit more though. A pc can be a lot better than any games console because you can keep upgrading and getting more RAM. I say good luck to anyone buying a new ps3-ou will need it.
Ka7raK
Kael wrote:
Think long and hard. The Ps3 is going to kick the crap out of the competition....... hands down. There is no way Microsoft or Nintendo are even coming close to this.


You have messed with the wrong guy when it comes to hardware research on new video game systems.

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CPU
The Xbox 360 processor was designed to give game developers the power that they actually need, in an easy to use form. The Cell processor has impressive streaming floating-point power that is of limited use for games.

The majority of game code is a mixture of integer, floating-point, and vector math, with lots of branches and random memory accesses. This code is best handled by a general purpose CPU with a cache, branch predictor, and vector unit.

The Cell's seven DSPs (what Sony calls SPEs) have no cache, no direct access to memory, no branch predictor, and a different instruction set from the PS3's main CPU. They are not designed for or efficient at general purpose computing. DSPs are not appropriate for game programming.

Xbox 360 has three general purpose CPU cores. The Cell processor has only one.

Xbox 360's CPUs has vector processing power on each CPU core. Each Xbox 360 core has 128 vector registers per hardware thread, with a dot product instruction, and a shared 1-MB L2 cache. The Cell processor's vector processing power is mostly on the seven DSPs.

Dot products are critical to games because they are used in 3D math to calculate vector lengths, projections, transformations, and more. The Xbox 360 CPU has a dot product instruction, where other CPUs such as Cell must emulate dot product using multiple instructions.

Cell's streaming floating-point work is done on its seven DSP processors. Since geometry processing is moved to the GPU, the need for streaming floating-point work and other DSP style programming in games has dropped dramatically.

Just like with the PS2's Emotion Engine, with its missing L2 cache, the Cell is designed for a type of game programming that accounts for a minor percentage of processing time.

Sony's CPU is ideal for an environment where 12.5% of the work is general-purpose computing and 87.5% of the work is DSP calculations. That sort of mix makes sense for video playback or networked waveform analysis, but not for games. In fact, when analyzing real games one finds almost the opposite distribution of general purpose computing and DSP calculation requirements. A relatively small percentage of instructions are actually floating point. Of those instructions which are floating-point, very few involve processing continuous streams of numbers. Instead they are used in tasks like AI and path-finding, which require random access to memory and frequent branches, which the DSPs are ill-suited to.

Based on measurements of running next generation games, only ~10-30% of the instructions executed are floating point. The remainders of the instructions are load, store, integer, branch, etc. Even fewer of the instructions executed are streaming floating point�probably ~5-10%. Cell is optimized for streaming floating-point, with 87.5% of its cores good for streaming floating-point and nothing else.



Central Processing Unit (CPU) performance.
- The Xbox 360 CPU architecture has three times the general purpose processing power of the Cell.

Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) performance
- The Xbox 360 GPU design is more flexible and it has more processing power than the PS3 GPU.

Memory System Bandwidth
- The memory system bandwidth in Xbox 360 exceeds the PS3’s by five times.


Keep moving commander, Vader says.

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Even ignoring the bandwidth limitations the PS3's GPU is not as powerful as the Xbox 360's GPU. The PS3 does have the additional 7 DSPs on the Cell to add more floating point ops for graphics rendering, but the Xbox 360's three general purpose cores with custom D3D and dot product instructions are more customized for true graphics related calculations.

When you break down the numbers, Xbox 360 has provably more performance than PS3. Keep in mind that Sony has a track record of over promising and under delivering on technical performance. The truth is that both systems pack a lot of power for high definition games and entertainment. However, hardware performance, while important, is only a third of the puzzle. Xbox 360 is a fusion of hardware, software and services. Without the software and services to power it, even the most powerful hardware becomes inconsequential. Xbox 360 games by leveraging cutting-edge hardware, software, and services will outperform the PlayStation 3.


Don't think i'm taking this off some Xbox-Addicted Website and don't take me for a Xbox-Addicted but you only have to look at the numbers and instead of coming here with your stupid facts and saying "Hey, i'm a coder! A coder!". What does that matter? I'm a coder myself! But you keep saying "Hey, i'm a coder!" LOOK AT THE FACTS INSTEAD OF HANGING AROUND SONY-LOVERS AND DOUBTFUL FORUMS!!! Shame on you

Keep moving commander!

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Triangle Setup
Xbox 360 - 500 Million Triangles/sec
PS3 - 275 Million Triangles/sec

Vertex Shader Processing
Xbox 360 - 6.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 2.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 16 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 1.5 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 12 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 1.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 8 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 1.1 Billion Vertices/sec (if all 8 Vertex Pipelines remain)
PS3 - 0.825 Billion Vertices/sec (if downgraded to 6 Vertex Pipelines)

Filtered Texture Fetch
Xbox 360 - 8.0 Billion Texels/sec
PS3 - 13.2 Billion Texels/sec (if all 24 Pixel Pipelines remain)
PS3 - 11.0 Billion Texels/sec (if downgraded to 20 Pixel Pipelines)

Vertex Texture Fetch
Xbox 360 - 8.0 Billion Texels/sec
PS3 - 4.4 Billion Texels/sec (if all 8 Vertex Pipelines remain)
PS3 - 3.3 Billion Texels/sec (if downgraded to 6 Vertex Pipelines)

Pixel Shader Processing with 16 Filtered Texels Per Cycle (Pixel ALU x Clock)
Xbox 360 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 20.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 40 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 18.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 36 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 32 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 17.6 Billion Pixels/sec (if all 24 Pixel Pipelines remain)
PS3 - 13.2 Billion Pixels/sec (if downgraded to 20 Pixel Pipelines)

Pixel Shader Processing without Textures (Pixel ALU x Clock)
Xbox 360 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 20.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 40 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 18.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 36 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 32 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 26.4 Billion Pixels/sec (if all 24 Pixel Pipelines remain)
PS3 - 22.0 Billion Pixels/sec (if downgraded to 20 Pixel Pipelines)

Multisampled Fill Rate
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Samples/sec (8 ROPS x 4 Samples x 500MHz)
PS3 - 8.8 Billion Samples/sec (8 ROPS x 2 Samples x 550MHz)

Pixel Fill Rate with 4x Multisampled Anti-Aliasing
Xbox 360 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 4 Samples x 500MHz / 4)
PS3 - 2.2 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 2 Samples x 550MHz / 4)

Pixel Fill Rate without Anti-Aliasing
Xbox 360 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 500MHz)
PS3 - 4.4 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 550MHz)

Frame Buffer Bandwidth
Xbox 360 - 256.0 GB/sec (dedicated for frame buffer rendering)
PS3 - 22.4 GB/sec (shared with other graphics data: textures and vertices)
PS3 - 12.4 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for textures and vertices)
PS3 - 10.0 GB/sec (with 12.4 GB/sec subtracted for textures and vertices)

Texture/Vertex Memory Bandwidth
Xbox 360 - 22.4 GB/sec (shared with CPU)
Xbox 360 - 14.4 GB/sec (with 8.0 GB/sec subtracted for CPU)
Xbox 360 - 12.4 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for CPU)
PS3 - 22.4 GB/sec (shared with frame buffer)
PS3 - 12.4 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for frame buffer)
PS3 - 10.0 GB/sec (with 12.4 GB/sec subtracted for frame buffer)

Shader Model
Xbox 360 - Shader Model 3.0+ / Unified Shader Architecture
PS3 - Shader Model 3.0 / Discrete Shader Architecture


Now, coder, tell me what do you think. Are you still here?

A note for everybody else arguing about the price of the PS3. The Blu-Ray technology is taking its first steps. As everything else in technology, its arrival is expensive and prices are sky-high. To mantain SONY's president with a very advanced car (say, Ferrari), they have to make it more expensive. Unlike the common HD-DVD, Blu-Ray is forcing SONY to either sell the PS3 with unnatural prices or take some good hardware out and decrease its performance. And there are many neutral sites stating that up to 90% of the games that are being created in the next year, are still 9GB compliant and what's left on the Blu-Ray disk is just a waste of space.
Teddy1
Wow i think my eyes are about to pop out. Soooo much reading Laughing, i think the PS3 is expensive but just like the PS2 give it a year or two and the price will drop eventually. I personally played an Xbox360 and the gameplay was impressive, It was life like. Very very realistic, the graphics were outstanding. Just that i have never been an Xbox fan they may have better graphics but the PS has always had better gameplay, just my personal opinion Smile take Grand Theft Auto on the PSX that game was mind blowing when it was first released, i was 11 when i played it. Laughing Anywho i think this will be quite some competition for both the Xbox360 and the PS3 as for the Nintendo Revolution they are just the cheapest they stick to classic games like super mario, my gosh did i love playing that on the gameboy. just my opinion Very Happy
Ka7raK
Kael wrote:

If you know anything whatsoever about hardware architecture then you will realize the truth behind the claims.


Wait, i just say another laughable thing the coder said. Hey coder, do you know what? If you are world's ultimate hardware architecture analist, why are you a coder? Shouldn't you be a hardwarer? Or an architect? What do you say coder?

ATTENTION: The so called coder is about to send a nuclear storm at everyone else. Make sure you prepare your firewalls, shields and Orbital Defense Systems because the coder is getting angry. Aren't you, coder?
ashik
it doesn't matter much, ka7rak.... look at the current and previos generations... ps broke through its competitors (again, Nintendo is special.. i am only concentrating on ps and xbox and others)... ps1 did it... ps2 did it... and no doubt ps3 will do it..just wait and see.. Smile

ok the tech may not be at par with MS but.. think atleast Sony guys tried to devlop something new.. of course with help from IBM and Toshiba..

i anticipate the answer"...MS did so, so that developers can make games easily for the people..."... ok may be u r right... but whats the point if u r doing the same code over and over again... a change is always good...
dyrtyrice
people whine about the price still, but blue ray players will cost more than a ps3, not only that, but you're getting a PS1, PS2 and a PS3 as well as a Blue Ray Dvd player all rolled into one. The system is a bargain and they will be losing money on every one that they sell. That being said, the controller although smaller now, still looks like shit.



here's a link to a redesign contest, admittedly the redesign that one looks way worse than the original!


http://www.joystiq.com/2006/01/25/joystiq-readers-redesign-the-ps3-controller/

they should just stick with the PS2 controller but make it a bit better.
Juparis
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but didn't they decide to stick with the same controller design after all? Maybe I'm just reading the wrong articles..

Anyway, the whole idea of losing money on each console was spawned by Microsoft. And I doubt Sony is loosing a whole lot--they still kept the price as high as they could without driving everyone insane (though they came close, imo). Investing in the blu-ray was a mistake, imho. I'd rather buy the systems $100 cheaper without the blu-ray. That would keep it somewhat close to the 360 price, at least.
ashik
they should stick with the ps2 style controller design... but new consoles calls for new designs.. well... what ever the shape of the controller.. PS3 is gonna rock...
Ka7raK
ashik wrote:
it doesn't matter much, ka7rak.... look at the current and previos generations... ps broke through its competitors (again, Nintendo is special.. i am only concentrating on ps and xbox and others)... ps1 did it... ps2 did it... and no doubt ps3 will do it..just wait and see.. Smile


Oh, of course! Let's forget that N64 and Dreamcast were alternative video game systems. Let's pretend that N64 didn't use tapes and Dreamcast was not a console-packed computer. SONY comes up with PSX, a new thing to see. Everybody is curious! N64 was dead as soon as it came out (i really liked N64 but i know it was soon dead) and Dreamcast didn't have much chances. It's about curiosity and the concept of hey-it's-new. Don't want to talk about it, though.
About the brilliant sales of PS2, i really don't need to speak. The console came out 1 year earlier than Xbox and most dumb-asses would stick to PS2 because they had PSX or they wouldn't wait for Xbox. It's a new video game system and people want it. Better: it's the only new console and people hunger for it.
About the future, i'm not gonna talk. I am no predictor (unlike you)!


ashik wrote:
ok the tech may not be at par with MS but.. think atleast Sony guys tried to devlop something new.. of course with help from IBM and Toshiba..


IBM has developed Power PC for Xbox 360. Don't come here saying IBM supports SONY when IBM supports anyone willing to pay them. About the something-new idea, what's that? PS3 is 80% like PS2 in design and concept. Xbox 360 is like 25% like Xbox. Xbox 360 IS something new!

ashik wrote:
i anticipate the answer"...MS did so, so that developers can make games easily for the people..."... ok may be u r right... but whats the point if u r doing the same code over and over again... a change is always good...


Interesting! Didn't know you had the Intercept ability. Sounds interesting! I like that code reference because i didn't knew consoles were similar to the ones before because of their code!


Get a life and/or don't post when you don't know what you're talking about.

NOTE: ka7rak apologies for his behaviour for he has a great history of being agressive and forums when people act just like ashik.[/b]
Raijenki
PS3 is a lot better than Xbox 360!
I am spending money since 2005 to buy a PS3...
700 dolars, so it will come a little more expensive to my country XD
YAY, Playstation 3 ownz
theLOGANhole
I am looking foward to it's release in November, but I will not purchase it right away. It will be way to expensive and I try never to buy the first generation of a console they sometimes have hardware issues. Plus it's out of my budget.

But I will buy it I guess 8 months after it comes out, so I have time to see which games are coming out and how it is doing compared to Xbox360.

I really want to hook it up to my Samsung 32inch HTDV LCD which I bought for my room. So I really want to see how HD gaming will be...
Ka7raK
Raijenki wrote:
PS3 is a lot better than Xbox 360!
I am spending money since 2005 to buy a PS3...
700 dolars, so it will come a little more expensive to my country XD
YAY, Playstation 3 ownz


This post doesn't help the topic! Is pure shouting.
Timonator
I would consider to buy a PS3 because it has a blu-ray player to play of high definition movies and it has the ability to get more out of a game cuz the creators of the game can put more on a single disc. I tihnk the PS3 will beat the XBOX360 and the new nintendo Revolution or whatever its called would not even get close
screamingdecay
Timonator wrote:
I would consider to buy a PS3 because it has a blu-ray player to play of high definition movies and it has the ability to get more out of a game cuz the creators of the game can put more on a single disc. I tihnk the PS3 will beat the XBOX360 and the new nintendo Revolution or whatever its called would not even get close
Having more storage will not matter in terms of what system will win with all these ports and multi platforms Rolling Eyes




PS3 DELAYED TILL MARCH 2007 FOR EUROPE


ASSASSINS CREED GOING TO 360!

More reasons to get up and get a 360 aready, its a good system for crying out loud fan boys are one minded people Rolling Eyes
Lakitu
Well, I'm definetely not going to buy the PS3, in fact: I'm buying the Wii.Only the new Mario and the new Zelda crush the entire PS3-gamescollection. But also for the controller: I'm so excited to swing with my controller and see that tennisreacket on the screen. I will never spend that kind of money for a device that has been promoted to be a BluRay device and not a game console. I could buy 2 Wiis for that price. When I saw the PS3, it just made me laugh, people who are being it don't know where they're starting at. Sony is not really a gamecompany, and really unreliable: look at what they've done with the release in Europe.
Nintendo is what gamers need: always honest and devoted to make the best games. I knew it since the E3, it was like Billy Pidgeon, an analyst at Go Play Research, said: "Nintendo was the winner because it was the most off-the-wall.'' ``Its console is the most entertaining, while everyone else is talking about incremental graphics improvements.'' I
t's so clear that Sony can't handle the pressure, beause they know they're going to fail. But it has gone to far when Sony STOLE THE WII-CONTROLLER. Well, it shows us that the Sony-executives are scared from the Wii but it also shows us what kind of a company Sony really is. And now Sony says they had been thinking about developing a motion sensitive controller "since 1994" but was restricted by technology limitations. Yeah right, and I've been thinking about flying cars since I was 4.
Sony may keep their controller; it's still not as good as Wii's motion sensing, not as supported by game developers as Wii's motion sensing, and lacking force feedback unlike Wii.


Mark my words: THE PS3 WILL BE THE END OF SONY AND THE NINTENDO WII WILL WIN THE "NEXT-GEN CONTEST".
codeman
LMAO! This is funny... you guys are whining about who stole what and all the "technical" stuff... I have a ps2 and I love it... I don't care about the damn hardware that's in it (tho I do care about the ps3's hardware but I'll get to that in a min) I just like the games... I'm a HUGE Square-Enix fan I love the FF series... a lot of their other games are awesome too. And I can definitely tell that Sony spends a LOT of time on their game (speaking solely about the games here). For instance: SOCOM... VERY well done... GT, very realistic... love the GT series, God of War, SWEET game, VERY well done... love the game play in that one! Anyway... I don't even know what's in the slim ps2's as far as hardware and I don't really care... I can pop a game in and play it... and I enjoy it... and I'm not simply a "gamer", I love some others am a "coder" and I do know quite a bit about hardware what a lot of the terms mean. I've seen the 360's stuff... not all THAT impressed really... tho I may not be too impressed with ps3, the 360 does have graphic flaws and it's retarded moments... it not perfect BY FAR! But I have faith that the ps3 will be a good system and everyone is just made because Sony is trying really hard to produce a system of the future instead of always making a system that will be out dated next year... granted... parts of it might be out dated next year... and they HAVE made a big mistake in that the first model's WONT have PS1/PS2 Memory card slots.. and you'll have to by an accessory for that... I think that's really stupid but I didn't plan on buying a first gen one anyway... you all need to quit whining... also the controller is the ps2 design NOT the boomerang design... been that way since e3 and since I work in the electronics dept. at TRU I've seen the signage for the ps3... it pictures the ps2 style controller... and WHO THE CRAP CARES IF SONY WANT TO USE THE MOTION TECHNOLOGY?!?!!? Nintendo IS NOT the first company to come up with motion technology... in some form or another... people have been trying it for YEARS... it's just that the tech. is so good now everyone wants to use it... just like "rumble" tech. and analog joy stick and dual analog and dual analog presure sensative buttons and all the other tech. out there... GET OVER IT!!! lol you guys will fight over the silliest things! I love Sony's Systems so far and I grew up on Nintendo products and I don't really compare them... it's apples and oranges... but M$'s crap... I don't buy into... I hate them... they make bad products... much like the highly overrated Windows... grrr I hate their practices and cockiness! But yeah... they did make an ok system, the 360 is going to be competitive... but only slightly... IMO but w/e Very Happy
Lakitu
You just don't get it, do you? I'm not whining, what I was trying to emphasize was that the PS3 is not a big deal and that it's waste of money to buy one. If you like the games.. be my guest, but those games aren't worth that price.
And I have to say that your other arguments are a little weak. For instance: you say that Sony spends a lot of time on their games and you base that on how goofd the games are. That has nothing to say about the time spend on it; you coukld make a wonderful game in reallyshort time but you can also spend years on making a crap game(and I think all Sony games are crap). You also say that Sony is trying to make a system of a future, but that isn't true. Why? Is it a system of the future because of the "great grpahics", because of the superb Blu-Ray playing device,, because of the fact that they are not interested in gimmicks? Please...
And I have to interrupt your story when you're talking about the controller. Nintendo IS the first company EVER to come up with motion technology and you know it! And when Sony steals this marvelous idea of letting the gamers interact more with the games, IT'S NOT A SILLIE THING. SO I CARE IF SONY WANTS TO USE IT. It's not the fact that Sony wants to use Nintendo's controller (that's a compliment), it's the fact that they want to use it without permission and that's called STEALING.
And that's one of the reasons why I dislike Sony: you can't trust them. They don't really want to improve their games so the gamers can be happy. No, all they want is your money and they're trying to get with anytyhing they can. But one thing's for sure: my money is going to Nintendo.

OVERVIEW


PS3
$499 - $599
No Wi-fi connectivity with the Basic version ($499)
10-12 games at the launch with a price of $60 and $100 USD :more than the US$60 standard for higher-priced games.

Wii
• approx. $250
Wi-fi connectivity (communication over the internet and with the DS)
27 games at the launch (including Zelda, Metroid, Call of Duty 3 etc.). As for the price: the Satoru Iwata said that it is unlikely that first-party games would cost more than US$50.



^
^

YOU CAN MAKE YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS, I HOPE.
Yantaal
madsencarl wrote:
Well, it's soon on its way. Will you be getting the console that will could possibly flush down the Xbox 360?



ha ha ha ha good luck matey, the PS3 will be out soon? push back and pack and pack, your better of waiting for the year never. its not even worth its stupid price. wait for the Wii its the way forward.
medievalman26
I think that the PS3 might not do so well simply because the price is way too high. Seriously what is up with these newer systems costing almost a thousand dollars without buying any games to play on them. By the time that you buy the system you have no money left to buy a game for the system. Although the PS3 does have the best graphics available at the moment and several very good quality games starting on it so it is still the one that I will buy. That is when it goes down a little in price.
Muffi
took me a long time to read all of the posts to this thread.. its so true that its gonna be help expensive, but.. i am impressed with what sony haveta offer us.. i mean look at the specifications.. awsome speed, ram and everything. suredy the best technology haveta offer these days & i agree to what you guys said, microsoft and any other companies are already outta the competition..

i think buying it is my brothers dream and he is obviously gonna ask me for donations Embarassed so lets see how harder its gonna kick my pocket
codeman
As I think I've said a few times in this thread, I sell game systems at Toys R Us... I generally don't push a system on people... I ask them to look at the games and tell me which ones they'd play... so if YOU don't like the games for PS3 DON'T BUY IT... but those of us who do, disagree that they aren't good games... besides, I don't like games that are rushed... let them take their time programming a good game... this technology is NEW it's gonna take some time to figure out... makes for a better game if they play around and figure out what the machine can do... besides I still LOVE my ps2 games... my only concern is how well the PS3 will be able to play PS2 games... I'll be pissed to spend $600 if it glitchy and crap.

Also, don't get me wrong... the Wii, although I can't say it w/o laughing, it does look like a fun system... but I don't like that Nintendo is just now moving to dvd format and the graphics are only OK from what I've seen... I don't see it totally capturing my eye... but I know Nintendo will produce a FUN system... but fun isn't everything to everyone... and BTW FYI: Wii will be "sub $200." that quote came from my store director. If true, even better... that's the system I'll sell to people who cant afford a PS3... but NOT the 360... not a M$ fan... sorry
roach831
im gonna try to get the 600$ ps3 as soon as it comes out so i can play some really cool graphic games that'll be awsome yeah!!!!! !!!
codeman
roach831 wrote:
im gonna try to get the 600$ ps3 as soon as it comes out so i can play some really cool graphic games that'll be awsome yeah!!!!! !!!


Sarcasm? I'd hope so... there's no reason to rush getting one. And there's definitely no reason to NOT get one at all... it's gonna own Razz $600 isn't that bad for what your getting... it's fresh technology!
codeman

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DecayClan
1.Well, it is more powerfull than xbox 360(2terraflops instead of 1).
2.And also, playstation, is in the heart of noumerus Console gamers.
3.Has better titles than microsoft

Yea, it will F*** XboX 360, but the whole game depends on the advertising campaign...If the advertising campaigh is good, then it will crash xbox360...if not, then....

P.S. I will not buy Playstation 3 or XboX 360 or Wiiiii NO CONSOLES!!!!!!
COMPUTER 4 EVER Razz
screamingdecay
DecayClan wrote:
1.Well, it is more powerfull than xbox 360(2terraflops instead of 1).
2.And also, playstation, is in the heart of noumerus Console gamers.
3.Has better titles than microsoft

Yea, it will F*** XboX 360, but the whole game depends on the advertising campaign...If the advertising campaigh is good, then it will crash xbox360...if not, then....

P.S. I will not buy Playstation 3 or XboX 360 or Wiiiii NO CONSOLES!!!!!!
COMPUTER 4 EVER Razz
Too bad that 2 Terraflop is a over stated number Rolling Eyes
Kelcey
Lakitu wrote:


10-12 games at the launch with a price of $60 and $100 USD :more than the US$60 standard for higher-priced games.




I have a favor to ask. Can you please name me the titles that are 100? By that, I don't mean link me to Kaz Hirai's ramblings. I mean name me the title and give me the proof of that title being 100. Thanks!
QrafTee
Kelcey wrote:
Lakitu wrote:


10-12 games at the launch with a price of $60 and $100 USD :more than the US$60 standard for higher-priced games.




I have a favor to ask. Can you please name me the titles that are 100? By that, I don't mean link me to Kaz Hirai's ramblings. I mean name me the title and give me the proof of that title being 100. Thanks!

It seems that the retail for all PS3 games so far is around 59.99 USD, though it's less than 100.00 USD, it's still too much for me considering the console already costs a lot. They must be losing a lot of money on each console/first-party game (if any) sold though. Not quite sure what Sony is pulling... is it that worth it to market their Blu-Ray?
Kelcey
QrafTee wrote:
Kelcey wrote:
Lakitu wrote:


10-12 games at the launch with a price of $60 and $100 USD :more than the US$60 standard for higher-priced games.




I have a favor to ask. Can you please name me the titles that are 100? By that, I don't mean link me to Kaz Hirai's ramblings. I mean name me the title and give me the proof of that title being 100. Thanks!

It seems that the retail for all PS3 games so far is around 59.99 USD, though it's less than 100.00 USD, it's still too much for me considering the console already costs a lot.


Exactly, there are no 100 dollar games.

Lakitu wrote:

And I have to interrupt your story when you're talking about the controller. Nintendo IS the first company EVER to come up with motion technology and you know it!


For console, yes. Overall, no.

http://www.sensable.com/products/phantom_ghost/phantom-omni.asp

Lakitu wrote:

And when Sony steals this marvelous idea of letting the gamers interact more with the games, IT'S NOT A SILLIE THING. SO I CARE IF SONY WANTS TO USE IT. It's not the fact that Sony wants to use Nintendo's controller (that's a compliment), it's the fact that they want to use it without permission and that's called STEALING.


Sony probably did rip off Nintendo once seeing Nintendo's potential success with that controller. Their version is much weaker and has no where near the functionality that a Wii controller has. The PS3 functionality is 7 years old... developed by Logitech and Microsoft, not Nintendo.

http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3blog.html?topic_id=24600407


Lakitu wrote:

And that's one of the reasons why I dislike Sony: you can't trust them. They don't really want to improve their games so the gamers can be happy. No, all they want is your money and they're trying to get with anytyhing they can. But one thing's for sure: my money is going to Nintendo.


You said Sony games suck. I agree. They do. But who the heck buys a playstation for Sony games? I guess some people did for God of War, but most people buy playstations for third party games. Those being Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Devil May Cry, and Grand Theft Auto amongst many. On a side note, I really do hate God of War.

Yes, you can't trust Sony. You can't trust Microsoft either. What makes you believe you can trust Nintendo?

Do you find it suspicous that the cube version of zelda has been delayed 2 weeks after the Wii version comes out? The game was *originally* in development for the Cube, yet somehow it's released in the Wii first? So you answer with, "Well of course Nintendo is gonna put the wii version out first.. they'll sell more Wii's." No crap. You just stated that Sony is out to get your money. That is true. The same holds for Nintendo. If Nintendo wasn't greedy like Sony and MS, they would've released the cube one BEFORE the Wii version. They clearly could have because it was in development for the Cube FAR before the Wii. So yeah, Nintendo looks at its customers just like sony, walking dollar signs.

What about the 250 price tag? Of course it's not 600 dollars. Nintendo is selling their system at a profit for them while Sony and MS are selling their's at a loss. If Nintendo was very unlike Sony, wouldn't they be nice to their customers and try to break even... you know, since Sony is selling their's at a lost and they're so evil, Nintendo is all good and should be selling their's at a greater percentage of loss, right?

The fact is yes it's easy to tear up Sony. I agree with you. They just want your money and their games suck. No doubt. Blu-ray is clearly not necessary. However, some will benefit from it. Overall I think it's not worth it.

The point is Nintendo wouldn't give a crap about "bringing gaming to the masses" if they couldn't make a nice chunk of change off each person in those masses.

By no means is this an attack on Nintendo. I personally have no problem paying 250 for the Wii. That is, if it has games that I want to play. I'm just trying to tell you that Nintendo isn't Jesus and they'll do what they can to earn money, JUST like Sony and MS. The problem with this is that you're ridiculing Sony for it, but not Nintendo.
RoughitforGreen247
Nintendo Wii is going to be far better than the PS3, hands down. PS3 is really not doing itself any favors by bringing out this fat monster. PS3 games might look prettier than the Wii's, in the end its innovation that makes a system worth having, and I'm not just talking about hardware. For someone to release an innovative game, a market failure can't be crippling. That's the number one thing about game development. The more money you invest in a game, the more sure you have to be of its success. This means sticking to the old formulas like GTA, Resident Evil, Call of Duty, Tony Hawk, etc etc. Nintendo Wii's dev package is going to cost 1500 $ or something! PS3 is something over $100,000, i think (might have that a bit high, but no lower than 50k). Then higher graphical standards just compound the problem. Good luck seeing anything you havent seen before on the PS3.
QrafTee
About the console marketing strategies. First: All companies are out to get money, it's a capitalist society and that's what companies do.

Microsoft:
Sell consoles expensively and continue dishing out games they're known for to maximize profits. Use name recognition to make other games a hit. Buy out companies to use their name recognition and exclusivity to maximize Xbox series games while decreasing what can be churned out for their competitors.

Nintendo:
Sell consoles at a budget price with not so next-gen graphics, but good technology. The console itself should be sturdy as with their past consoles and they emphasize on innovation over visuals to minimize their own cost and minimize the price of the console for consumers. First party games sold cheap to make the consumer want to buy more without feeling too guilty. Main market strategy is how they market their accessories. $60.00 for the Joystick AND Remote control. Gun attachment/classic controller/among others are additional costs. Uses DS connectivity to increase revenues for both the DS and the Wii. A whole setup for four players and Wii costs around $430.00.

Sony:
Sells consoles for a hefty price, but what goes into making it costs a lot more. Their choice to add Blu-Ray to push their own Blu-Ray technology to increase money coming in from other parts of their company. Copies many of Nintendo's "gimmicks" when proved to be worthwhile. Yes, their motion sensor was old and in the works, but they never wanted to implement it. (think about it, putting it off for so long). They do not have many first-party games and most of them are average. Backs Square Enix financially to gain Final Fantasy (real ones, not FFCC) titles as an exclusive. Makes most of the money indirectly as well, like pushing technology and using more optional components as a staple to increase price of console and their own costs.

Bottom Line: The truth is all companies are in it for the money. Some are more subtle about it and some are more money-grubbing than others. All companies make money on games/consoles/accessories, but the truth is consoles tend to lose money for the company in hopes that their games will sell and eventually make them money. Accessories are expensive because even a cheap Wii will end up costing a fortune with all 4 controllers, but the same goes to the other consoles (isn't that scary?)

Think about it and have a nice day.
Manofgames
i want the PS3 to be a success, but iim not sure it will be:

1. It comes out way after Xbox 360, and its not much better than the Xbox

2. Some people have given up waiting and gone straight for Xbox

3. There are continued delays with the release causing people to lose interest in it.[/list]
Motoracer380
i dont want a ps3..ive got xbox and im buying a 360....so why spend an extra 300 bucks just to be ableto play older versions games....it cost just asmuch to buy an xbox and a 360 as it does for just the ps3...so if youv got an xbox a 360 is a better deal and im just an xbox fan so of course im trying to convince you to buy. ps3 stinks :-p Razz
QrafTee
Motoracer380 wrote:
i dont want a ps3..ive got xbox and im buying a 360....so why spend an extra 300 bucks just to be ableto play older versions games....it cost just asmuch to buy an xbox and a 360 as it does for just the ps3...so if youv got an xbox a 360 is a better deal and im just an xbox fan so of course im trying to convince you to buy. ps3 stinks :-p Razz

So... what I'm hearing is... blah, blah, blah, Xbox Fanboy, blah, blah, blah? Now your logic is wrong. First you say that buying a PS3 is just to play older version games? Well do remember that Xbox 360 is backwards compatible as well (with an add-on to the cheaper model). That isn't your biggest mistake in your argument, then you go into saying that you can get an Xbox and an Xbox 360 for the same price as a PS3, why would you do that if you already made an argument about playing old version games. Not only that, but it is extremely illogical to say a thing like that as one is already able to play the games of the prior. Now if you said something about getting a Wii and an Xbox 360 for the same price, you'd have a point. Oh yeah, the PS3 doesn't "stink," it just wasn't thought out through all the way. I guess after PS2 broke the ice of expensive consoles, they thought they might as well break the ice for very expensive consoles... PS4 will perhaps cost $799.99? Who knows, it just depends how many people buy the PS3 and if Sony learns their lesson.
jedor
why we discuss the PS3 from time to time?hey,guys,we should make clear one point!PS3 only improve its performance !except it,PS3 is just the PS2's brother!the same games,same game's system,no creative,no evolution,it's just the PS1 which improve its performance!

WII will rock PS3
tyrant
-_- , from how i see it , there are just 3 options. Nitendo Wii, PS3, Xbox360.

All 3 are great consoles in their own right. PS3 definetly tops the specs chart and thus is gonna really cost more.

I feel that if your willing your invest in a PS3 , mean you either have alot of cash or your planning to use that console long term. I usually prefer console games over pc games, but i rather be patient and wait till the consoles get dirt cheap. By that time, you'd also have access to large number of sites or shops that sell "cheaper" games and other workarounds.

I bought my sega megadrive when sega saturn came out .. used it all the way till ps2 came out.. thats when i got my ps1, and just recently 6-9 months ago i got my ps2.
william
Great news, the lower end Playstation 3 is to have an HDMI 1.3 port! I think this is a great thing since you can easily upgrade the lower end version to match the high end version. Now the only differences are that the deluxe version has a flash card reader, WiFi, and the chrome letters.
QrafTee
william wrote:
Great news, the lower end Playstation 3 is to have an HDMI 1.3 port! I think this is a great thing since you can easily upgrade the lower end version to match the high end version. Now the only differences are that the deluxe version has a flash card reader, WiFi, and the chrome letters.

I seriously don't see how that's good news. I mean good news for the PS3 would be if all their prices are a lie to trick their competitors and by X-mas season all PS3s will actually be only $299.99-399.99. That would certainly deal a blow to their "weakspot(s) to deal massive damage!"
rayx
When is the official release of this console.
william
QrafTee wrote:
william wrote:
Great news, the lower end Playstation 3 is to have an HDMI 1.3 port! I think this is a great thing since you can easily upgrade the lower end version to match the high end version. Now the only differences are that the deluxe version has a flash card reader, WiFi, and the chrome letters.

I seriously don't see how that's good news. I mean good news for the PS3 would be if all their prices are a lie to trick their competitors and by X-mas season all PS3s will actually be only $299.99-399.99. That would certainly deal a blow to their "weakspot(s) to deal massive damage!"


Well, HDMI was one very important thing the lower end one was missing, so now you can get the same performance for $100 less. (Just no flash card reader or Wi-fi, and a smaller hard drive.)

I admit it, a price drop would be great news. Though, I don't think there's any way they can drop the price, except for maybe downgrading the CPU or removing the Bluray drive.

rayx wrote:
When is the official release of this console.


November 11 for Japan, November 17 for the US and Canada, and March 2007 for Europe.
Winterborne
I might get it when the price drops, if it ever comes out. Sony's been in some trouble as of late. Still, i don't think the price is worth the game system, plus, with a new baby, i got more important things to do with that kind of money.
Keran
As soon as i win in some lottery thing i'll buy one for sure!
pc_service2007
I preffer PC
Lakitu
Read this article
AtrickPay
The PS3 really brings nothing new to the world other than enhanced graphics, which are far less important to me than innovations and gameplay. The only cool thing they have over the 360 is the motion-sensing controller, which blatantly rips off the Wii. But i might end up putting my foot in my mouth if the PS3 really really really kicks ass.
zozitdat
nah i dont think the ps 3 if you get him then
is there the ps 4. i go for the pc. its better
vaughands
Ya il get the PS3
I just want the Price to drop a bit it will drop Hopefull 100$ or so by Next Year Smile
william
vaughands wrote:
Ya il get the PS3
I just want the Price to drop a bit it will drop Hopefull 100$ or so by Next Year Smile


Unfortunately, if there is ever a major price drop, it will be in the year 2008. Crying or Very sad Though, I think the Playstation 3 will stay on the market at least 'til 2010, wonder what the price would be then.

But yeah, I'll buy the Playstation 3 a few months after the launch date. (To make sure all the bugs are worked out.)
QrafTee
william wrote:
vaughands wrote:
Ya il get the PS3
I just want the Price to drop a bit it will drop Hopefull 100$ or so by Next Year Smile


Unfortunately, if there is ever a major price drop, it will be in the year 2008. Crying or Very sad Though, I think the Playstation 3 will stay on the market at least 'til 2010, wonder what the price would be then.

But yeah, I'll buy the Playstation 3 a few months after the launch date. (To make sure all the bugs are worked out.)

There's a price drop in Japan, perhaps you can get someone to obtain one for you there. Smile I am just not going to get one unless the price drop is severe and before the PS3 becomes an antique.
Kelcey
william wrote:
QrafTee wrote:
william wrote:
Great news, the lower end Playstation 3 is to have an HDMI 1.3 port! I think this is a great thing since you can easily upgrade the lower end version to match the high end version. Now the only differences are that the deluxe version has a flash card reader, WiFi, and the chrome letters.

I seriously don't see how that's good news. I mean good news for the PS3 would be if all their prices are a lie to trick their competitors and by X-mas season all PS3s will actually be only $299.99-399.99. That would certainly deal a blow to their "weakspot(s) to deal massive damage!"


Well, HDMI was one very important thing the lower end one was missing, so now you can get the same performance for $100 less. (Just no flash card reader or Wi-fi, and a smaller hard drive.)



William is right. It IS good news as the HDMI was a huge crippling factor forcing people to buy the 600 dollar one. Now people can save 100 dollars and buy the 500 dollar one. Is 500 still a lot of money? Yeah it is.
bluefossil
I plan on purchasing the PS3. I probably won't find one on the initial launch but hopefully in March. At least Sony has brought out an actual new system.

The xbox360 is just Xbox 1.5, and they already said the Wii is a Suped up Gamecube.
With the Wii's Price tag, and the fact that they didn't screw production like Xbox and Sony did on their launches, the Wii probably stands to be a great hit at first. but I don't know if the controler is enough to keep it going.

But Once the PS3 is out in full force I think they will be on top of the Market.

Have you seen the list of top selling games? 360 doesn't even seem to be a factor on those charts and with the PS3 coming, except for a couple of the core games the 360 games won't even be on radar.
Seann
am quite worried about what they're planning with this disc protection
where you can only play a game on one playstation 3

which will put a stop to used games and lending them off friends

but yeah

anyone heard anything about that?
QrafTee
Seann wrote:
am quite worried about what they're planning with this disc protection
where you can only play a game on one playstation 3

which will put a stop to used games and lending them off friends

but yeah

anyone heard anything about that?

Actually I have heard nothing of the sort. I heard the rumor about Wii being region-free, but then that was killed when it was admitted that people in NoA are idiots and can't even answer a question properly. I freer the medium, the better the console in the long run... oh well. I'll check up on this protection thing for the PS3.
Kelcey
Seann wrote:
am quite worried about what they're planning with this disc protection
where you can only play a game on one playstation 3

which will put a stop to used games and lending them off friends

but yeah

anyone heard anything about that?


It was a rumor that sony denied. It'd be pretty stupid if it was true. Sony IS lame, but I don't think they're that lame.
william
Kelcey wrote:
Seann wrote:
am quite worried about what they're planning with this disc protection
where you can only play a game on one playstation 3

which will put a stop to used games and lending them off friends

but yeah

anyone heard anything about that?


It was a rumor that sony denied. It'd be pretty stupid if it was true. Sony IS lame, but I don't think they're that lame.


Yeah, I heard about that rumor, too. Sony did deny it, and I doubt it's true. Like Kelcey said, it would be really stupid if they did that. That would be a major problem when it comes to used games, plus if you return a game you don't like, will it work on other PS3's? Anyway, I really doubt that's the case.
Muslim4life
hey everybody,

Ps3 is the best console ever in history, it has got all the features, u can use it like your pc, with super fast internet speeds, and a sik network play, just beutifull, i wih i get one i will really be happy.

To be honest here Ps3 will kick any Xbox's ars, (no offence Microsoft).

When Ps2 came out people slept outside the shops in Australia thats how popular it was, i am just waiting for psp, so i could sleep outside the shop too, and get stamped on and get killed.

lol
Kelcey
Muslim4life wrote:


Ps3 is the best console ever in history



Yeah... considering it hasn't even been released yet? ....

Muslim4life wrote:

u can use it like your pc


Web browsing and buying stuff? So can the Wii.

[quote="Muslim4life"]
with super fast internet speeds
[/ quote]

No faster than the 360 or Wii.

Muslim4life wrote:

and a sik network play


And you've played it? What game?
Howie
i is going to buy it when the price comes down... 1000 bucks austrialian is a tad too much
QrafTee
Kelcey wrote:
Muslim4life wrote:


Ps3 is the best console ever in history



Yeah... considering it hasn't even been released yet? ....

Muslim4life wrote:

u can use it like your pc


Web browsing and buying stuff? So can the Wii.

Muslim4life wrote:

with super fast internet speeds


No faster than the 360 or Wii.

Muslim4life wrote:

and a sik network play


And you've played it? What game?

Well obviously this man is an alpha tester for Sony. I mean how else can he say all those things. I mean there are no such things as Sony fanboys. If I remember correctly Sony fanbo... alpha testers have told me there only exists Nintendo fanboys.

Anyway, in the case of the disc protection, I checked online and it seems this is only valid for Blu-ray movies as people are in fear of ripping movies, but that's stupid since Blockbuster and Hollywood Videos would go out of business. And then I heard the PS3 will have some region-free games. What does that mean? Who knows?
eLto
Concerning Piracy of the Blu-Ray discs: sure, go ahead, copy the damn game. If you're up for using up to 54GB of your hardrive for storing the game, and downloading the game for like... weeks to get it? ok.

I'll rather just buy the games. After all, the great titles will be very select(as with EVERY console), so I won't have to buy all the games for it anyway.

I am indeed a sony fanboy(not alpha tester Razz), but I won't go on about how extreme the graphics will be, since we all know how it's gonna be, looking at videos from it. I know, as with every consoles, ther will be hundreds, thousands of games, but only a select few will be the really great ones, and hence, therefore I save money.
Codeman1
I will definatly get it becuase I have started out with the playstation sense ps1 and I will keep getting them until ps100+
QrafTee
eLto wrote:
Concerning Piracy of the Blu-Ray discs: sure, go ahead, copy the damn game. If you're up for using up to 54GB of your hardrive for storing the game, and downloading the game for like... weeks to get it? ok.

I'll rather just buy the games. After all, the great titles will be very select(as with EVERY console), so I won't have to buy all the games for it anyway.

I am indeed a sony fanboy(not alpha tester Razz), but I won't go on about how extreme the graphics will be, since we all know how it's gonna be, looking at videos from it. I know, as with every consoles, ther will be hundreds, thousands of games, but only a select few will be the really great ones, and hence, therefore I save money.

Well if you think about it, what you say is true about piracy. HOWEVER, please do not underestimate the hacking community. They have thought of greater and greater ways of compressing data and be aware that not all 54GB in the Blu-Ray will be used, especially not in the early releases. Seriously, 54GB is probably too much room for games to work on, but it's good to know it's there.

The Blu-Ray was not developed for the purpose of games solely, it was made to storage data, movies, and other uses so it may be awhile before we find new media to work with.

Yeah, I know, but there are CDs vs. DVDs, right? But think about it, CDs are 0.7 GB and a DVD is around 4 GB, that's like 5 times, whereas the Blu-Ray is 9 times as hefty as the DVD. And as time goes by, we're going to get more and more bandwidth to play with when companies find better technology to work with. Comcast speeds up its internet by a lot in the past two years, so that's something to say about allowing use the internet faster than before. (that and we're already building the foundations for a common ground of the 10/100/1000 gigabit ethernet cards)
eLto
QrafTee wrote:

The Blu-Ray was not developed for the purpose of games solely, it was made to storage data, movies, and other uses so it may be awhile before we find new media to work with.


Actually, it was, and later on, Sony decided to make it a universal storage disc, in order to rule the market. Microsoft uses HD-DVD, which isn't even close to Blu-Ray, but the BD's are too expensive at the time being, so I think the HDDVD will rule. It's a shame though.

QrafTee wrote:

Seriously, 54GB is probably too much room for games to work on, but it's good to know it's there.


you don't know much about 3d graphics, do you?

As far as I recall, the current build of MotorStorm takes past 30GB, which is an early release. All the systems in the game, as well as deformable graphics and whatnot; all these take space. A good rule is; the better the graphics, the more storage space needed.
QrafTee
eLto wrote:
QrafTee wrote:

The Blu-Ray was not developed for the purpose of games solely, it was made to storage data, movies, and other uses so it may be awhile before we find new media to work with.


Actually, it was, and later on, Sony decided to make it a universal storage disc, in order to rule the market. Microsoft uses HD-DVD, which isn't even close to Blu-Ray, but the BD's are too expensive at the time being, so I think the HDDVD will rule. It's a shame though.

QrafTee wrote:

Seriously, 54GB is probably too much room for games to work on, but it's good to know it's there.


you don't know much about 3d graphics, do you?

As far as I recall, the current build of MotorStorm takes past 30GB, which is an early release. All the systems in the game, as well as deformable graphics and whatnot; all these take space. A good rule is; the better the graphics, the more storage space needed.

Okay, so what you're telling me is that because it takes more space, it has better graphics. However, when we compare 360 games to PS3 games in just graphics, they look around the same. So that's pretty much wasting space. Wow... what good use of 54GB, I hope we can use all of it for all games. Hell, let's just add extra 10010101001000001000101011101010111010101010010011101011101010101011000100 for fun.
It is better to build a system in which graphics can be put together with geometry via AI. This takes less space and allows randomly generated environments to occur, which makes a game unique and better. I believe in Spore they are using this to generate the graphics so it does not take too much space. Basically it's like using lines of code to call upon a program, but instead of calling upon programs, calling upon pieces and parts of towns/rivers/etc. As long as the geometry is good, the machine backing it up has enough power, and the program generate the right graphics, then it can look just as realistic than having each piece of graphic drawn uniquely and added to a media so it can be ran off of it.
tony
dude. get a wii. better games (smash brawl, twilight princess, wii tennis, etc); backwards compatibility; awesome controllers; down-right sexy console; much cheaper.
QrafTee
tony wrote:
dude. get a wii. better games (smash brawl, twilight princess, wii tennis, etc); backwards compatibility; awesome controllers; down-right sexy console; much cheaper.

Well if you're going to say backwards compatibility is Wii's strong point, I'd have to remind you that the 360 also has it and the Playstation 3 has two generations of backwards compatibility. Yes, I know, the Wii will have the Virtual Console, but I'm surprised that they'd charge so much for classics which can be obtained from around 0-5 dollars depending on the source.
Kelcey
QrafTee wrote:


It is better to build a system in which graphics can be put together with geometry via AI. This takes less space and allows randomly generated environments to occur, which makes a game unique and better.


Whether it's better or not depends on your situation. It takes less space but takes a piece of your processing power away. How much it takes away obviously depends on what/how the programmer is going about it. Regardless, the main impact is probably in texture and video as opposed to actual geometry definition. I don't find storage to big too huge of a problem in most games, but I can see how it'll help in RPGs (which is a huge genre for most people).

In the end, pre-storing any data you can as opposed to generating it on the fly frees up processing power (as you probably know, but forgot to mention). So yes, there is an advantage IF the situation arises. Whether it will or not is not something I really care to talk about. In the end, it's all about the person and the games. Processing power, controller, online play and everything else mean absolutely nothing if the games aren't there. Right now all 3 systems have great exclusives.


QrafTee wrote:
tony wrote:
dude. get a wii. better games (smash brawl, twilight princess, wii tennis, etc); backwards compatibility; awesome controllers; down-right sexy console; much cheaper.

Well if you're going to say backwards compatibility is Wii's strong point, I'd have to remind you that the 360 also has it and the Playstation 3 has two generations of backwards compatibility. Yes, I know, the Wii will have the Virtual Console, but I'm surprised that they'd charge so much for classics which can be obtained from around 0-5 dollars depending on the source.


I'll give the Wii/PS3 backwards compatibility props, but not the 360. The 360's BC is a horrid nightmare. I can't even play Ninja Gaiden without FMVs choking horribly. It's not even full backwards compatibility either. I'd like to consider the 360 a system that DOESN'T have backwards compatibility seeing as how a lot of the games have problems that are "compatible." It's a check mark that the 360 doesn't deserve when compared to the Wii and PS3.
ashik
PS3 has a linux in it and it will also allow amateur developers to develop content for the PS3.. so i think it will work somewat similar to a PC...
QrafTee
Kelcey wrote:
QrafTee wrote:
tony wrote:
dude. get a wii. better games (smash brawl, twilight princess, wii tennis, etc); backwards compatibility; awesome controllers; down-right sexy console; much cheaper.

Well if you're going to say backwards compatibility is Wii's strong point, I'd have to remind you that the 360 also has it and the Playstation 3 has two generations of backwards compatibility. Yes, I know, the Wii will have the Virtual Console, but I'm surprised that they'd charge so much for classics which can be obtained from around 0-5 dollars depending on the source.


I'll give the Wii/PS3 backwards compatibility props, but not the 360. The 360's BC is a horrid nightmare. I can't even play Ninja Gaiden without FMVs choking horribly. It's not even full backwards compatibility either. I'd like to consider the 360 a system that DOESN'T have backwards compatibility seeing as how a lot of the games have problems that are "compatible." It's a check mark that the 360 doesn't deserve when compared to the Wii and PS3.

Well the guys at Sony has also stated that only games built by specific standards will be supported by the Playstation 3's backward compatibility hardware. Of course I'm pretty sure the classics and big name games were built to those specifications. I'm surprised that Ninja Gaiden has so much problems on the 360, that's something I did not know. BTW, I'm not a big fan of Microsoft (but I use Windows, thta's not being a hypocrite, it's being locked in a monopoly) because it didn't seem necessary for them to butt into the gaming industry and their consoles are poor quality (my friend had his 360 for a week before needing to turn it in for a new one). Then again Sony has a bad rep with poor hardware during launch as well.
jon9314
Kael wrote:
Oh, yes. The lineup.

I am a coder. And being a coder I can certainly tell you that the software has to follow the development of the hardware.
In other words, You can write some killer software, but can the hardware handle it? What happens with new technology is that the hardware is created first. You dont really know what the code is going to be capable of until you have the hardware to interact with it. It's hard to explain. Think of it as an OLD Commodore I16 trying to run Windows XP. Better yet, think about trying to write the code for WinXP using an I16. It's impossible. Therefore XP wasn't able to be designed until well after computers that could handle it were put together.

Same theory applies here. Have you even noticed the specs for the PS3? Do you even know what Blu-Ray technology is? The PS3 will be the first to have it. For those of you that don't know, Blu-Ray disc technology uses a blue-violet laser instead of a red one. Know what that means? It uses a smaller wavelength. So while cd's can hold 750Mb of data and a DVD can store just under 4.5GB, a Blu-Ray disc can hold a whopping 25 Gigs. Think of all those games that had to have 4 discs like the last FF. Thats still only about half the data that a Blu-Ray disc can hold. Imagine the possibilities there.
TV Infomercials wrote:

But wait, there's more.


The processor is a completely new type of technology itself as well. It's called Cell Technology. Aptly named for it's design if you ask me. I strongly suggest that you actually read about the architecture before you say that it's laughable at how fast it is. If you know anything whatsoever about hardware architecture then you will realize the truth behind the claims.

Code:

Logo: PLAYSTATION(R)3

CPU: Cell Processor

PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
Total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS
GPU: RSX @550MHz

1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines
Sound:

Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell-based processing)
Memory:

256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz
System Bandwidth:

Main RAM -- 25.6GB/s
VRAM -- 22.4GB/s
RSX -- 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read)
SB -- 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)
System Floating Point Performance:

2 TFLOPS
Storage:

Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1
I/O

USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1
SD standard/mini x 1
CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1
Communication:

Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2)
Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g
Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)
Controller:

Bluetooth (up to 7)
USB 2.0 (wired)
Wi-Fi (PSP)
Network (over IP)

AV Output

Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI: HDMI out x 2
Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1
Disc Media:

CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE



Think long and hard. The Ps3 is going to kick the crap out of the competition....... hands down. There is no way Microsoft or Nintendo are even coming close to this.

ps3 will be the king of consoles. any idea how long before it can be modded?
william
Kelcey wrote:


I'll give the Wii/PS3 backwards compatibility props, but not the 360. The 360's BC is a horrid nightmare. I can't even play Ninja Gaiden without FMVs choking horribly. It's not even full backwards compatibility either. I'd like to consider the 360 a system that DOESN'T have backwards compatibility seeing as how a lot of the games have problems that are "compatible." It's a check mark that the 360 doesn't deserve when compared to the Wii and PS3.


I completely agree. The Xbox 360 has a lot of issues with many of the Xbox games that are said to be "compatible." And, the Core version of the Xbox 360 can't play any Xbox games. As for the Wii, I would consider it a console between the Xbox 360 and the Playstation 3 in terms of backwards compatibility. It can play Gamecube disks perfectly, but NES, SNES, and N64 aren't really backwards compatible. Right now, there are still a ton of games you can't download that were made for those three consoles, plus they're a little pricey. I am glad the Playstation 3 can play PS1 and PS2 games (in case my PS2 or PS1 dies) and it is a nice touch.
eLto
ashik wrote:
PS3 has a linux in it and it will also allow amateur developers to develop content for the PS3.. so i think it will work somewat similar to a PC...


noone has claimed that. Ever.

QrafTree wrote:
Okay, so what you're telling me is that because it takes more space, it has better graphics. However, when we compare 360 games to PS3 games in just graphics, they look around the same. So that's pretty much wasting space. Wow... what good use of 54GB, I hope we can use all of it for all games. Hell, let's just add extra 10010101001000001000101011101010111010101010010011101011101010101011000100 for fun.
It is better to build a system in which graphics can be put together with geometry via AI. This takes less space and allows randomly generated environments to occur, which makes a game unique and better. I believe in Spore they are using this to generate the graphics so it does not take too much space. Basically it's like using lines of code to call upon a program, but instead of calling upon programs, calling upon pieces and parts of towns/rivers/etc. As long as the geometry is good, the machine backing it up has enough power, and the program generate the right graphics, then it can look just as realistic than having each piece of graphic drawn uniquely and added to a media so it can be ran off of it.


So what you're saying now is that graphics doesn't take much space, and this is why Spore developed this little program thingie to save space. You're kinda arguing with yourself now, but ok.

Remember E3 2005? There was a technical demonstration of Alfred Molina (Dr. Octopus) from Spider Man 2. The CG model was ran real time off the system, and the model itself took around 2TB. You sure graphics don't take space? For instance; older games have crappy textures. This is due to bad grapchics. graphics isn't all about the look, either, it's about the techniques used in it. Some say Max Payne 2 had Sweet graphics, but that's in reality just because it had crisp textures, based on real-life images, rather than building them CG-Wise. Final Fantasy X had sweet graphics, and did it look real? no. Not really. but the textures were sharp, the effects were good, and so on. That game filled an entire DVD, whereas Max Payne 2 onli filled 1 CD. Oh, and it had a play CD with it, so that's still 1.4GB of max storage, VS FFX's 4.7GB.
Somemanbearpig
too pricey for me... if i buy one i will wait until the price drops...theres not enough games coming for the ps3 (that im interrested in) that are not coming for the xbox360.
QrafTee
eLto wrote:
ashik wrote:
PS3 has a linux in it and it will also allow amateur developers to develop content for the PS3.. so i think it will work somewat similar to a PC...


noone has claimed that. Ever.

QrafTree wrote:
Okay, so what you're telling me is that because it takes more space, it has better graphics. However, when we compare 360 games to PS3 games in just graphics, they look around the same. So that's pretty much wasting space. Wow... what good use of 54GB, I hope we can use all of it for all games. Hell, let's just add extra 10010101001000001000101011101010111010101010010011101011101010101011000100 for fun.
It is better to build a system in which graphics can be put together with geometry via AI. This takes less space and allows randomly generated environments to occur, which makes a game unique and better. I believe in Spore they are using this to generate the graphics so it does not take too much space. Basically it's like using lines of code to call upon a program, but instead of calling upon programs, calling upon pieces and parts of towns/rivers/etc. As long as the geometry is good, the machine backing it up has enough power, and the program generate the right graphics, then it can look just as realistic than having each piece of graphic drawn uniquely and added to a media so it can be ran off of it.


So what you're saying now is that graphics doesn't take much space, and this is why Spore developed this little program thingie to save space. You're kinda arguing with yourself now, but ok.

Remember E3 2005? There was a technical demonstration of Alfred Molina (Dr. Octopus) from Spider Man 2. The CG model was ran real time off the system, and the model itself took around 2TB. You sure graphics don't take space? For instance; older games have crappy textures. This is due to bad grapchics. graphics isn't all about the look, either, it's about the techniques used in it. Some say Max Payne 2 had Sweet graphics, but that's in reality just because it had crisp textures, based on real-life images, rather than building them CG-Wise. Final Fantasy X had sweet graphics, and did it look real? no. Not really. but the textures were sharp, the effects were good, and so on. That game filled an entire DVD, whereas Max Payne 2 onli filled 1 CD. Oh, and it had a play CD with it, so that's still 1.4GB of max storage, VS FFX's 4.7GB.

I'm not sure how you misinterpreted what I said. Kelcey sure understood me. I said that graphics wouldn't take up so much space so unneccesarily if they developed a program which uses geometry to put together pre-generated graphics to make up an entire graphic. Most graphics take up so much space because they're each drawn separately and saved onto a medium which is pulled out as the player encounters it. This makes it take up a lot of space which is very unnecessary. I do agree with Kelcey though, this system is not perfect and it does matter what hardware generates it.
antonio100
ill probably wait with getting the PS3 until the price drops some. i just cant afford to buy a brad new console, and at the beginning there probably wont be a lot of games for it, and some, like GTA Hawaii (if it comes out for PS3 at, or shortly after its release) will probably also be playabe on PC
screamingdecay
Games are not taking a full 8GB yet, stop buying into the sony hype "YOU NEED BLURAY FOR GAMING!" mombo jumbo.
eLto
screamingdecay wrote:
Games are not taking a full 8GB yet, stop buying into the sony hype "YOU NEED BLURAY FOR GAMING!" mombo jumbo.


noone has ever claimed that you need bluray for anything either.
Cole
I'd like to point out the Cell technology is not that new and has been on Intels roadmap before Cell was even started. Various hardware companies(similar to IBM) have developed Cell type processors and even to a much larger extent, around 30 proessors.

The fact is that while Cell may be new it has many faults that will limit it. For example it excels at FP Operations. However that is only one aspect of coding, what about other computer units?

I've read all the articles on Cell and yes I understand them to a very high degree.

While Cell has a lot of processors the problem is cache and game design. Cell's processors must stream information, as the cache is so small.
Lets also take this into consideration:
For one thing to be done, you have to wait for another thing go get done. For example, before calculating AI you should calculate physics because an object might get in the way.

It isn't just calculate AI on this, physics on that, talk to the GPU on this. While some things can be calculated at the same time, not everything and this limits Cell.

Cell is a fine processor but the fact is that it simply isn't as fast as some people make it out to be. In the end no matter how you look at it the Ps3 comes about to be slightly better, when optimized, compared to the Xbox 360. Both have some ups on eachother. The Ps3 has a slightly better processor, while the 360 has a slightly better GPU. In the end you will achieve similar graphics on both consoles. Very similar.
Disc Space? Called compression! When they say "This is using X gigs\megs", they want that number to be high. They probably wont compress it at all. When it comes to numbers trust me...there never completely correct. NEVER.

In the end it does NOT matter how fast a console is. It simply doesn't. You should never buy a console based on how fast it is. Why should you buy a console? Games. Buy it for the games it has and how fun they are. If you want Gears of War, Halo 3, and etc.. then get a Xbox 360. If you want Lair or Warhawk or some other Ps3 game then get a Ps3. If you want a new way to control your games, some new innovative games, and games like Zelda, Red Steel, Or want to Play CoD3 with the new control scheme... get a Wii. Thats the best advice anyone can give on this subject.

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DVD is around 4 GB, that's like 5 times

9 gigs at the current generation of DVD's which is what is used for 360 games.

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Microsoft uses HD-DVD, which isn't even close to Blu-Ray, but the BD's are too expensive at the time being, so I think the HDDVD will rule. It's a shame though.

Yes HD-DVD is close to Blu-Ray. However for games it doesn't mean a thing. Microsoft only allows DVD's for games.

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. Basically it's like using lines of code to call upon a program, but instead of calling upon programs, calling upon pieces and parts of towns/rivers/etc. As long as the geometry is good, the machine backing it up has enough power, and the program generate the right graphics, then it can look just as realistic than having each piece of graphic drawn uniquely and added to a media so it can be ran off of it.

Spore uses algorithm. There isn't a set of geometry that they use. They basically generate everything from pure code. They do this for how your creature looks, planets, galaxies, the entire universe! Even how your creature walks and such is procedurally generated from an algorithm. However there are some icons and such that obviously are not. But for the most part, Spore generates all its graphics from an algorithm. Even how your creature moves and such is generated from an algorithim. These algorithims are incredibly complex.

Quake Wars also does this for it's terrain. The developer will create a terrain for there entire map in a texture editor. Then it will be compiled into an very short piece of code. It will then pass the code through an algorithm and become this complex terrain. This allows them to keep these 100meg textures very VERY small down to 1meg and less. This was designed by John Carmack and will be implemented in the D3 engine. It helps get rid of tilling terrain by creating one massive terrain. They use procedural generation to keep the file size small and keep it small in memory. If it wasn't for procedural generation there would be no way to keep it small in memory(not implying that it's 1 meg in memory however it's quite small than what it would be if it wasn't procedural generated).
Kelcey
QrafTee wrote:
Kelcey wrote:
QrafTee wrote:
tony wrote:
dude. get a wii. better games (smash brawl, twilight princess, wii tennis, etc); backwards compatibility; awesome controllers; down-right sexy console; much cheaper.

Well if you're going to say backwards compatibility is Wii's strong point, I'd have to remind you that the 360 also has it and the Playstation 3 has two generations of backwards compatibility. Yes, I know, the Wii will have the Virtual Console, but I'm surprised that they'd charge so much for classics which can be obtained from around 0-5 dollars depending on the source.


I'll give the Wii/PS3 backwards compatibility props, but not the 360. The 360's BC is a horrid nightmare. I can't even play Ninja Gaiden without FMVs choking horribly. It's not even full backwards compatibility either. I'd like to consider the 360 a system that DOESN'T have backwards compatibility seeing as how a lot of the games have problems that are "compatible." It's a check mark that the 360 doesn't deserve when compared to the Wii and PS3.

Well the guys at Sony has also stated that only games built by specific standards will be supported by the Playstation 3's backward compatibility hardware.


Nah, it was MS who said the "games coded to standards" would be backwards compatible. They, of course, were wrong. They used Team Ninja as an example and like I said, Ninja Gaiden is still a nightmare. It was confirmed that the PS3 has the PS2 emotion engine in it. Heck, battle arena toshinden 3 worked on the ps3. Regardless, my only use for BC is so I can get a few quick bucks off selling my old ps2. I did the same with the ps1 and I liked it.
madsencarl
So... umm... anybody willing to buy me one just pm me...
Dwyer17
It looks so much cooler than any other console that is out right now. Does it have an HD DVD player or BluRay? Is it better than xbox 360 spec wise?
QrafTee
Dwyer17 wrote:
It looks so much cooler than any other console that is out right now. Does it have an HD DVD player or BluRay? Is it better than xbox 360 spec wise?

The PS3 supports Blu-Ray in both games and movies. Technically it does out-power the powerhouse Xbox 360 with its Cell chip. I've been hearing different things about the graphics cards though, we'll just have to see.
magneto_ms
It is a tad too expensive in my opinion. I have never ever used gaming console yet.

Is the PS 3 worth it.??
Infensus
In my opinion spending all that money is not necessary for a game console. I also don't like the fact that they brought out so little consoles for their launch.
Cole
Heres a nice 11 page article that goes technical on the Ps3 and 360:
http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1

There is a lot of very good information in this article. A recommend for anyone intrested in the specs\info about Ps3 and 360.
polly-gone
THE PS3 IS FINALLY OUT! So far on the radio, i have heard that there has been, shootings, robberies, and mobs over the PS3! I have even heard reports of a PS3 selling on ebay for $14,100 US.
Ghost900
I am not going to get the PS3 because consoles are not as good as a computer but if I were to get a console I would get a X360 because they are cheaper and I am not looking for Super Console/Expensive Console but you spend $600 + $600 for a nice computer and you could get a Very nice computer that you can upgrade and play alot of PC games and I think the PC is more appealing to me that other gaming consoles because I like MMORPGS also.

As for Xbox if I want to play the games online then I have to buy Xbox LIVE for $5 a month and my computer internet fee, or the same game for a PC has free online play since I have internet anyway.

Just my 5 cents Very Happy
roach831
i just got the ps3 today at 7:00AM and all the games look sweet man i wish i bought 2 and sold 1 for $2,000 then ill be making bank i got the 60gb and it is tight thats why i havent been on for a couple of days i was to busy camping out since wendsday and it was fun but also cold people brung their Plasma tv's and played xbox360, playing so many games, weeeeeeeeeeeeeee, it was so funn
Ghost900
roach831 wrote:
i just got the ps3 today at 7:00AM and all the games look sweet man i wish i bought 2 and sold 1 for $2,000 then ill be making bank i got the 60gb and it is tight thats why i havent been on for a couple of days i was to busy camping out since wendsday and it was fun but also cold people brung their Plasma tv's and played xbox360, playing so many games, weeeeeeeeeeeeeee, it was so funn


Ya I wouldn't mind buying 2 and selling one and then I could get the first one free and extra cash too buy some games for it. Very Happy
madsencarl
bringing out so little consoles was actually very smart; it created hype and media publicity. stupid sony.
screamingdecay
Playstation 3 is not what Sony hyped it to be, i can get all this nice graphics and a better online service with 360. All your pay extra for in Playstation is a Bluray drive ,which I could care less because I have a standalone HD-DVD player..
adrian08
Very Happy Yeah the ps3 might give a hevy punch....Or it may be only in the words...
eLto
madsencarl wrote:
bringing out so little consoles was actually very smart; it created hype and media publicity. stupid sony.


I believe what you meant to say was "Bringing out so little consoles was incredibly stupid. It killed several people. A lot of people are now more afraid of robbers and such, and ebay is now the main marketplace to obtain a PS3"

sorry to say this, but Sony SHOULD have waited until they could release properly.
ashik
well yup... they shld have ....

for the time being , there were a lot of +ve reviews and more and more ppl are gettting into the SONY Bandwagon...

Wii was really good too..... I have to say.. Nintendo did it again.....
medievalman26
Now that it is out and I see, but don't believe, the price tag on it I am going to have to take a raincheck on getting it until the price goes down and there are more of them. I mean seriously has anyone seen how much they are going for on ebay? I saw one going for 10,000 US dollars. The retail price is only 600 what insane person actually bid on that. I think sony made a big mistake in not releasing a whole lot more of them. If there were more of them and the price went down to something around say 400 US dollars it would be better they would have shipped and sold so many more of them.
QrafTee
medievalman26 wrote:
Now that it is out and I see, but don't believe, the price tag on it I am going to have to take a raincheck on getting it until the price goes down and there are more of them. I mean seriously has anyone seen how much they are going for on ebay? I saw one going for 10,000 US dollars. The retail price is only 600 what insane person actually bid on that. I think sony made a big mistake in not releasing a whole lot more of them. If there were more of them and the price went down to something around say 400 US dollars it would be better they would have shipped and sold so many more of them.

Check the feedback of the "bidders." You can tell most of the bids are fake. And some for 5k are actually 4 PS3s. One is a PS3 and a used BMW...
william
@QrafTee

Yeah, that is true. Many of the sales are kind of weird. There was one Playstation 3 where the highest bid was 500,000 USD. Shocked

Though, I didn't look through it enough, but it might have been more than just a Playstation 3.
DemunVirus
Yes im going to get the ps3 once the prices drop a bit because dont have that much money to be paying for it. i think ps3 is gone blow away the xbox360 and wii in the revolution of gaming. PS3 gone OWN lol...
ashik
Yup the first wave of PS3 games looks awesome.. and we can surely expect more from developers ... in the second generation PS3 titles....Hope i can get one by then Wink
QrafTee
ashik wrote:
Yup the first wave of PS3 games looks awesome.. and we can surely expect more from developers ... in the second generation PS3 titles....Hope i can get one by then Wink

Well it has been said that the power of the PS3 will be reached in 4 years. So between now and 2010, each "generation" of a PS3 game will be more toward its potential. In terms of graphics though, it will be matched with the 360, but in processing power by 2010, it should blow the 360 away. I say should, not will.
roach831
well i have the ps3 and so far its pretty darn tight yeah yeah i like need for speed carbon the most it is so addicting
ashik
well thats true... Graphics power is evenly matched.... but processing capabilites and endless (until 2010 i guess... Razz)
ashik
u guys think that sony will be able to reach their 2 million mark for this year ???

i seriously doubt it..... Sad
william
ashik wrote:
u guys think that sony will be able to reach their 2 million mark for this year ???

i seriously doubt it..... Sad


There is no way that they could sell 2 million by the end of this year. So far, they've only sold about 500,000. Considering the lack of consoles and the fact it's only been launched in Japan and North America, they can't sell that many. Actually, if they somehow manage to ship another 1.5 million, then selling them will be no problem.
ashik
yeah....

they are saying , they got the production "up and running" again.., does anyone know... when the new shipments are gonna get heere...
TeenZine
wow these are expenisve but If i get one im definently getting the 60 gig for only a 100 bucks price diffrence. I dont rely know why they make the 20 gig. But im surprized they dont make a 100 gig one Smile
william
@Teenzine

Don't forget, you can easily upgrade the hard drive. If they were to make a 100 GB version, nobody would buy it (unless they added other features). If Sony made a 100 GB version, it would cost more than just upgrading the hard drive yourself. And the 20 GB model might be the machine that keeps the PS3 alive. Out of all of the consoles, it's the best value. (Sony is losing a lot of money on it). Also, one can easily upgrade the 20 GB version to match the 60 GB for less than $100 (just add a hard drive, media card reader, and the W-iFi adapter).
ForceRun
Ghost900 wrote:
I am not going to get the PS3 because consoles are not as good as a computer but if I were to get a console I would get a X360 because they are cheaper and I am not looking for Super Console/Expensive Console but you spend $600 + $600 for a nice computer and you could get a Very nice computer that you can upgrade and play alot of PC games and I think the PC is more appealing to me that other gaming consoles because I like MMORPGS also.

As for Xbox if I want to play the games online then I have to buy Xbox LIVE for $5 a month and my computer internet fee, or the same game for a PC has free online play since I have internet anyway.

Just my 5 cents Very Happy


I totally agree! You guys in comparing all the gaming wantabe systems have forgot about the PC.

PCGamer took a sweet Falcon GamingPC to one of the P3 lines and ask to see if someone would be willing to be giveup ever having a P3 in favor of getting the PC. Almost everyone in the line was willing to give the P3 for the PC.

There is really no comparison. The PC is the winner, do yourself a favor and don't waste any time on anything other than a gaming PC.
Sergiy
I will bu PS3 just for GT games(wick ever it comes first) Very Happy I own PS2 and I realy play just GT4 on it... Rolling Eyes Other games sucks...

PC@ well it's usefull but it's more expensive too IMO Rolling Eyes


Does anyone know if it's posible to instalsome kind of OS (linux) on the PS3 so that it can be used for ther things too( not just for web browsing and playing games or seeing movies Very Happy )??
QrafTee
ForceRun wrote:
Ghost900 wrote:
I am not going to get the PS3 because consoles are not as good as a computer but if I were to get a console I would get a X360 because they are cheaper and I am not looking for Super Console/Expensive Console but you spend $600 + $600 for a nice computer and you could get a Very nice computer that you can upgrade and play alot of PC games and I think the PC is more appealing to me that other gaming consoles because I like MMORPGS also.

As for Xbox if I want to play the games online then I have to buy Xbox LIVE for $5 a month and my computer internet fee, or the same game for a PC has free online play since I have internet anyway.

Just my 5 cents Very Happy


I totally agree! You guys in comparing all the gaming wantabe systems have forgot about the PC.

PCGamer took a sweet Falcon GamingPC to one of the P3 lines and ask to see if someone would be willing to be giveup ever having a P3 in favor of getting the PC. Almost everyone in the line was willing to give the P3 for the PC.

There is really no comparison. The PC is the winner, do yourself a favor and don't waste any time on anything other than a gaming PC.

Actually that's not true. For instance normal RPGs (turn-based) have a better feel on consoles than on PCs. That's why you don't see many of them on the PC (and those you do are usually ports of games that are already on consoles). RTS games, however does not belong on the console and I don't know what the people at Bungie are thinking making Halo Wars exclusive for the 360. MMORPGs can really go either way, but the mouse and numerous keys available on the keyboard makes the PC much better in adapting to MMORPG games. And finally platformers on the PC plain sucks, it really does.
ashik
well PC has its advs.. for example we get better graphics than console.. with the new geforce GPUs and upcoming ATI GPUs...

yes console will have better performance.....thats true...

But PC tech advances... faster than console tech.. so we will have to wait.. for the next gen console to see advances.......
QrafTee
ashik wrote:
well PC has its advs.. for example we get better graphics than console.. with the new geforce GPUs and upcoming ATI GPUs...

yes console will have better performance.....thats true...

But PC tech advances... faster than console tech.. so we will have to wait.. for the next gen console to see advances.......

Good point, but remember since the PC's technology advances so fast that a high-performance computer can be outdated in about 1-2 months, many people don't upgrade as soon as the newer hardware is available. Instead they wait 6 months+ (rarely 6 months even) before upgrading to the newer hardware. Both has its up and downs, but a PC can get quite expensive very fast if you try to keep up with technology.
ashik
thats true too.. plus.. game developers will have to run ard the clock to make their games.. run real fast in new hardware...... thats the dis adv of PC gaming... Wink
ashik
so i think this war, CONSOLE vs PC war , can go on for a long time.. until they find a balance....
zion
They each have their own advantages and disadvantages - PCs are really expensive if you want a top-notch machine, and you'll have to keep upgrading it to play to newest games. But with consoles, you just buy the console and you don't need to upgrade anymore, whilst you can play all the latest games on it. I've got a really bad PC, so consoles are my pic Very Happy
Senshida
The PS3 is sort of a wait and see kind of thing. "Will it have the same kind of game lineup as the previous Playstations? Or will it have crappy third party support?" "Will the price drop? Or will it stay the same?"

I am going to wait until next year to see if I should get one or not.
TeenZine
omg I finaly got to try one. IT ROCks its like a computer. (if only it had a keyboard) I love it Im selling them on ebay befor chiristmas and made some moeny
blendbet
I believe that when the price of playstation3 drops a while and if the software house support it will be have the same success as playstaion2 or playstasion Smile
QrafTee
blendbet wrote:
I believe that when the price of playstation3 drops a while and if the software house support it will be have the same success as playstaion2 or playstasion Smile

Well the PS3 was built to last around 10 years, give or take. The 360 and the Wii around 6 years, give or take. The PS2 was not meant to last as long as it did, but it did. So... in around 10 years I'm pretty sure there will be a price drop in the PS3, but whether it'll guarantee the success of the PS3... I'm still unsure.

The reason the Wii and the 360 isn't built to last as long is because the media is simply an old standard. The 360's add-on will allow HD-DVD movie playback, not gameplay. And we know that add-ons are not very favorable to gamers and especially to non-gamers.

Maybe the newer consoles will use Holographic Discs...
Cassiowt
I dream about a PS3
This debit to be the best consoles of video game of the world, available this one links them only in our dreams, in which we live in the stated countries of the third world we have no right to this amusement. While in USA or in Japan he costs US$ 400 here it reaches the exorbitant price of US$ 4.000. It will be what the Sony does not notice that Brazil is a great potential client. To Microsoft package it already discovered that and launched the XBOX 360.
sbjafri
I was gonna get a ps3, but they are taking so long, i just went out and bought a xbox360, heard the graphics was quite simlilar, all my firends have xbox360 no. it doesnt look gud for ps3 when it comes out
karumpa
Its looks so good... too bad there aren't anymore.....
QrafTee
sbjafri wrote:
I was gonna get a ps3, but they are taking so long, i just went out and bought a xbox360, heard the graphics was quite simlilar, all my firends have xbox360 no. it doesnt look gud for ps3 when it comes out

Well the graphics debate has been debated to death. This is basically how it ends up.
Graphics: 360 = PS3.
Processing: 360 <<< PS3.
Blu_Spykz
360 looks a better machine.

though it won't stop people buying ps3, it may stop me.

tbh I'm only interested in 2 games at the moment. MGS4 and RE5
QrafTee
Blu_Spykz wrote:
360 looks a better machine.

though it won't stop people buying ps3, it may stop me.

tbh I'm only interested in 2 games at the moment. MGS4 and RE5

Well MGS4 has been RUMORED to be ported onto the 360... maybe with extra content (odd since the Blu-Ray has so much more room than the DVD). RE5, I think already has been announced to be released on both the 360 and the PS3. I can't wait for Wii RE to come out though, I hope they use the controller efficiently. I'm surprised every shooter game has goofed on that so far.
Pyr0kz1d3
Yeah, i will definitely be getting one once the price has dropped a bit Very Happy

I have always been a fan of Playstation and Playstation only =D
ashik
MGS4 loooks prreetty cool in PS3....

But it wud be a real let down if they did port it to xbox Crying or Very sad ... right now.. MGS4 is the PS3 exclusive we are all looking forward for...

then again.. if they did port it to Xbox.. we cud really see the comparison between XBOX and PS3
QrafTee
ashik wrote:
MGS4 loooks prreetty cool in PS3....

But it wud be a real let down if they did port it to xbox Crying or Very sad ... right now.. MGS4 is the PS3 exclusive we are all looking forward for...

then again.. if they did port it to Xbox.. we cud really see the comparison between XBOX and PS3

There already has been "comparisons" between the 360 and the PS3, just look at all the multiplatform games. (that basically means games by EA)

Madden '07, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, and like the tens of sports games out there.

Currently, they're basically even from the comparisons and 360 is barely beating the PS3 in graphics, but developers got a year to work with the 360 and probably knows how to optimize it better. So we'll just have to wait and see... perhaps 2-3 year at PS3's end, we can do real comparisons... and by year 10, the new Xbox will go against the aged PS3, I believe.
ashik
yeah... its true... the developers did get a year lead on XBOX tech..

as u said.. we have to wait..
ashik
hey.. guys... they are saying that KILLZONE for the PS3 is actually in developemnt... WOW

real cool... cant wait for it...
kamu
the ps3 is da best coz it has all da latest technology!! it's also the first console wid blu-ray tech. which can store up-to 25GB!! however, the ps3 still doesn't have good games such as the 360. i jus wanna wait till da price goes down.
QrafTee
kamu wrote:
the ps3 is da best coz it has all da latest technology!! it's also the first console wid blu-ray tech. which can store up-to 25GB!! however, the ps3 still doesn't have good games such as the 360. i jus wanna wait till da price goes down.

For a Sony fanboy you're sure misinformed... Blu-Ray can hold 50GB, yes, it's double-layered, but it's been accepted that Bluy-Ray holds 50GB and HD-DVD holds 30GB.
ashik
Killzone.. is gonna be good in PS3.. i think it might give Halo a run for its money....

but i have my doubts... halo has a pretty good chance of beating killzone again....
saeleyjnr
I cant wait for the new metal gear solid. Its the only reason why i'm saving up for a ps3
madsencarl
A while ago I heard about GTA4 (name confirmed) that's going to come out on PS3, sometime in October. Has anyone got any more information about this, because the official website is lacking just that.
ps3vault
Playstation 3 will rock!
Now it's very hard situation for Sony because of their high price on the global market, plus Microsoft launched their xbox 360 very succeffuly. But I think somewhere in November-December 2007 Ps3 will shake the trees around the globe! It took 4 months to hack xbox 360, but i think PS3 will survive some good 8-9 months. Let's see
nobita123
I need PS3 but..... Very Happy
madsencarl
But what?
ashik
hehehe... he meant,

COST

heheheh... yeah.. i am planning to buy one too.. but the cost is bit too high now... so im gonna wait... its worth waitin for... DEFINITELY WORTH IT
Crustie
I'm DEFINITELY buying one!
No matter how expensive it is, Yeah ok it is €600 here in The Netherlands Shocked
BUT...

1: The PS3 is the best at graphics
2: It is the best looking one
3: Not stupid childly games ( like the Wii )
4: Handy Controller ( not like the Xbox360 )
and 5 & 6
I'm just a addicted to Sony
and
the Color fits well in my room Cool

So Ashik and others are right!

DEFINITELY WORTH IT
madsencarl
The PS3 looks so... sexy.

I asked my girl to buy me one.
She said she didn't have enough money.
Sad
Oh well.
I still love her Smile
ashik
YUP... I've been saving up for some time.. but not anywhere near the 600$ mark... hehehe...

so i still have a long way to go...

BUT I'LL BY ONE FOR SURE....

PS:- if ne one wants to help out a fellow SONY FAN... send sum money.. to me.. hahahaha Wink
juvenal007
Playstation 3 Wowwwww have nice argumentS!
ashik
hmmm...

THERE IS NO END TO THE PS3 vs XBOX 360 WAR,....

i guess. each of them has its flaws and advantages... which make them both unique...

BUT... for me ... SONY is still KING!!!!!!
QrafTee
Crustie wrote:
I'm DEFINITELY buying one!
No matter how expensive it is, Yeah ok it is €600 here in The Netherlands Shocked
BUT...

1: The PS3 is the best at graphics
2: It is the best looking one
3: Not stupid childly games ( like the Wii )
4: Handy Controller ( not like the Xbox360 )
and 5 & 6
I'm just a addicted to Sony
and
the Color fits well in my room Cool

So Ashik and others are right!

DEFINITELY WORTH IT

Yeah... people who are misinformed kinda annoy me. But just so you know Sony have more "kiddy" games than N64 and GCN put together... So I'm not sure what you're talking about.

And the Xbox 360's controller, surprisingly, feels very nice. The contour of it just fits your hands perfectly no even from average sized to big hands.

Technically the Xbox 360's graphics card is superior to the PS3s... but the PS3's processing capabilities vastly surpass botht the Xbox 360 and the Wii. That just means AI is smarter and more can be done within a second.

And personally, I think the Wii looks the best. It's small, compact, light, and simple. There's this saying: "Keep it Simple Stupid."
william
QrafTee wrote:
Crustie wrote:
I'm DEFINITELY buying one!
No matter how expensive it is, Yeah ok it is €600 here in The Netherlands Shocked
BUT...

1: The PS3 is the best at graphics
2: It is the best looking one
3: Not stupid childly games ( like the Wii )
4: Handy Controller ( not like the Xbox360 )
and 5 & 6
I'm just a addicted to Sony
and
the Color fits well in my room Cool

So Ashik and others are right!

DEFINITELY WORTH IT

Yeah... people who are misinformed kinda annoy me. But just so you know Sony have more "kiddy" games than N64 and GCN put together... So I'm not sure what you're talking about.

And the Xbox 360's controller, surprisingly, feels very nice. The contour of it just fits your hands perfectly no even from average sized to big hands.

Technically the Xbox 360's graphics card is superior to the PS3s... but the PS3's processing capabilities vastly surpass botht the Xbox 360 and the Wii. That just means AI is smarter and more can be done within a second.

And personally, I think the Wii looks the best. It's small, compact, light, and simple. There's this saying: "Keep it Simple Stupid."


Indeed, that is true.

Graphics of the PS3 are great, but like Qraftee said, 360 has a slightly better GPU, however it still can't surpass the PS3. Still, the graphics are NOTHING compared to the top gaming computers.

Best looking? Maybe...but the Wii doesn't look bad.

For the "kiddy" games, the Wii already has some "non-kiddy" games and many more to come. (Twilight Princess is definitely not "kiddy")

My hands are a bit above average in size...and I never REALLY liked dualshock design. Sure, the sixaxis fits most people, but yeah, the 360's controller is better for some.
ashik
wii is not kiddy.... Wii iS GR8...

it may not have the hardware power as the rest , but still it delivers very good gameplay ..
Metroid Prime 3 corruption.. is definitely gonna prove Wii can handle hardcore games...

Game play is wat is being judged heavily than graphics....
schmidi
If you want to buy a Playstation 3 in germany about Amazon, you have to order a mobile psp too, if you want to be the "first customer"
Soulfire
I just have to say that Resistence: Fall of Man is one of the most amazing games ever.
BlazeDragon132
I do plan to get a PS3. The system is just one of those must-buys for me. The Blu-Ray alone is worth 1,000 dollars. Plus, it will also host one of my favorite series: Kingdom Hearts.

Resistance is an amazing game, with 42 people online at the same time and fun single player. Virtua Fighter 5 also comes out this month. It got 9.5, 10, and 9.5 in this month's EGM. Lair also looks cool because you can control dragons with the tilt controller. I am going to try to get one over the weekend. Wish me luck! Wink
ashik
good luck.... i wish i too can buy one .. real sooon.....

im really looking forward to MGS4 and killzone... and ofcourse the primary lineup... resistance etc

Lair is looking real goooood...

well 2007 is a promising year for all consoles...
cannabis
can't wait to bye it Razz I hope it will not be to expensive:/ at least not so expensive games.
alexdude
SilverDogg wrote:
playstation have never been interesting to me, and the ps3 is no different. maybe in a few years if i find it interesting, otherwise, no.

id rather get myself a xbox360 than this.


why isn't it interesting to you? it's the best system out right now, and there is free internet. Who wants to pay for online, and if you do, your Xbox 360 costs more then the PS3 in about 3 years.
bhzh
though the online maybe free, when you try Xbox Live and compare it to PSN, you realize what 50 bucks a year gets you. The PSN, while it has potential, is laggy, and not really unifed. Really the only thing that remains consistent is the gamertag. While Xbox Live has built in matchmaking, a unified friends list, and much faster download speeds. On top of that, it does not have the glitchy down times that the PSN or the PS Store sometimes suffers from.
Captain Fertile
I will buy the console when the price drops a little or even a lot.

One quick question though. Will the PS3 play PS2 and (don't laugh) PS1 games?

I have never seen that mentioned anywhere yet.
ashik
of course PS3 is backwards compatible.. it does run PS2 and PS1 games...

Sad however the backwards compatibility is not tat good...

[url] http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745439p1.html [/url]

of course they will iron out the bugs with a software fix...
Malchior
unfraggable wrote:

You do know, now you're probably going to be attacked at all angles, or something.

Violence =/= fun.
Just because something is violent, doesn't mean it makes a game fun. I'd much rather play Nintendogs then Halo or True Crime or something like that junk.
Nintendo knows gameplay, everyone else knows mediocory.


50% I agree with you, 50% I'm not. I know Nintendo is known for good story. And nintendo is the first company to sell out the first and best handheld console(at it's time). But the thing with Nintendo is, I think they're too concentrated with RPG's. Look at Sony, they're very flexible. They have Online and non-online good quality RPG's. And they also beat GBA with PSP. I mean, GBA is still using low quality cartridges. I think Nintendo is still living in the past. We should look at the present and the future of the world of gaming consoles, Playstation. Very Happy

P.S. No offense on Nintendo, I just wanted to voice my oppinion.
bhzh
Quote:
And they also beat GBA with PSP.

What do you mean by that? The GBA is almost dead. Nintendo's DS is creaming the PSP in terms of sale though.
alexdude
Dorsk82 wrote: "I think that with the PS3 Sony may be heading towards a real mistake. They have already admitted it is going to be expensive but I actually read somewhere that when asked about its price being prohibitive for kids and families, they stated that they didn't really care if those markets couldn't afford it. I have the money for a PS3 in spades and I am not a kid but videogames should be made accessible to all ages not just targeted at loser adults like myself!! Not only that but I think it is a real mistake to ignore the younger market as well as that of families because most really truly hardcore adult gamers are apt to just play PC games anyways!! Just my two cents... Wink"

It is worth every penny. I just got mine and it's great!
Senshida
Malchior wrote:
And they also beat GBA with PSP. I mean, GBA is still using low quality cartridges. I think Nintendo is still living in the past. We should look at the present and the future of the world of gaming consoles, Playstation. Very Happy


GBA is sooo last gen. Razz (and Nintendo DS is outselling PSP by alot btw)

On a different note... PS3 will have a Mii-GamerAcheivment thing soon. (Called PlayStation Home)
How do I know this? Because the rumor was published on Kotaku, and Sony got all angry about it. "YOU BLEW THE SUPRISE!!!" Yeah.. stealing ideas from 360 and Wii is a big suprise. >.> (PS3 is basically a more powerful 360 with a dumbed down wii-remote)

My friend has Resistance, I played it at his house.. it was freakin awesome! (but its going to take more than one game to make me spend $600) So for now, I am getting my next/current-gen playstation fix from someone else.
QrafTee
I have to admit, after seeing the video of GDC 2007 I'm more interested in the PS3. Home and LittleSmallWorld were very nice and I'd like to try it out sometime. But will I buy the PS3 for retail price? No way, I'll wait for 2009 when the Slim PS3 comes out and hopefully a cheaper price.
ashik
yeah... i am gonna wait too but not till 2009.... hehehehe.. i want one real bad...so i think sumwer around mid 2008.. the current PS3 is gonna have a price drop IF SO .. i wud buy one then
FedeSite // Mac
No way. I like my PS2. Besides, All i care about is GOF II (God Of War II). OMG that is the best game ever!! And the best part is; its available for PS2!
QrafTee
FedeSite // Mac wrote:
No way. I like my PS2. Besides, All i care about is GOF II (God Of War II). OMG that is the best game ever!! And the best part is; its available for PS2!

How is GOF II the same as God of War II?
Warlord
how much will the ps3 be and will the games be the same price or more :S
gutbomb
PS3 oWns !!!!
amazing gfx... gameplay ain`t that gr8 but AMAZING GFX !!!

better than ma stupid pc anyday...

bah.. it costs about 800$ here !!
orshamir
the PS3 is the best console that i ever played.
my friend have ps3 and i have ps2 and the different is so big that this awesome.
mansonivan
izzit really that good? i only bought ps1 Razz didnt buy second one since it not really good.
QrafTee
mansonivan wrote:
izzit really that good? i only bought ps1 Razz didnt buy second one since it not really good.

No it's not he's feeding you a bunch of BS right now. Not saying it'll never be good, but currently it's all up in the air right now. I'd wait until next year to pick one up after Home and it's internet service is all stable along with a good line-up of games. Personally, I'm waiting until the Slim PS3 arrives.
Seiji
Its better off right now just buying a Wii or a Xbox 360. For people who played the ps2 a lot they mine as well just turn to the 360.
arkebuzer
I dont have the cash right now. But it sure looks nice. Both the games, the power of the console, But most of all the blue ray disks, such storage capacity... if the game designers use all the capacity of this new console I´m pretty sure the result will be really amazing.
So yeah, I´ll probably buy it in a few months when the prizes have dropped and I have gotten some more cash to spend Smile

Regards
OutlawSpirit
ye ill def get a ps3.. not str8 away... bout 7 months down the line... i prefer sony over xbox... xbox sucks Razz
mina
Okay, first off... I already own a PS3, a 360, and a Wii. My husband and I saved up our moneys so that we could buy them, because we're both gamers, even though he's more hardcore into them than I am.

I actually bought the PS3 as a christmas present for him, with Resistance. I went through it on co-op with him, and it was pretty awesome, the graphics are great and the gameplay was as well, although it seemed pretty much like other FPS's to me. He also has been playing in online every now and then, and seems to like it quite a bit... I don't really like to play it online, but that's just because I get beat down. ^-^

Now, since I own all three of the next gen systems, I've kinda realized that the PS3 is lacking in the games to play. Overall, we get the most use out of the 360, just because there's more games to go through. We've already beaten most of the PS3 games that we own, and it seems like it would have been a better idea to wait a while longer to go ahead and buy it. The only saving grace that it has right now is Virtua Fighter 5, which we both play to death. If it weren't for that, the system would just be collecting dust right now... which it was until that came out. Although my husband has gone through God of War II on it, and that was just because for some reason his PS 2 wouldn't play the game... still haven't figured out what's wrong there.

So in the end, I have a lot of mixed feelings about having bought the PS3 already... the hours that I've put into VF5 have kind of made it worth it for me, but the fact that it usually just sits there bugs me. Plus, if people don't like VF5, which a lot of people don't, then it would make sense not to buy it until there's a better line-up for it. So far the best system has turned out to be the 360 in my house... though the Wii has been good for when friends come over, we don't play it very often either. Hopefully this will have helped someone with their decision making...
Whong
ashik wrote:
wii is not kiddy.... Wii iS GR8...

it may not have the hardware power as the rest , but still it delivers very good gameplay ..
Metroid Prime 3 corruption.. is definitely gonna prove Wii can handle hardcore games...

Game play is wat is being judged heavily than graphics....


I definitely agree with you! Wii doesn't have the hardware as PS3, but that doesn't make it a worse console! Let's see it this way, Wii is more cheap whereas PS3 is more expensive, yet no one seems to complain about the difference in price!
bhzh
Following with what the previous posters say, I think that Sony is marketing the PS3 as a more high end experience. They are hoping that the consumers will think that the PS3, being the most expensive and made by Sony, will offer the best experience. However, Sony is very very wrong, not that the PS3 is not good. The Wii has the most innovative experience and is just plain fun. The Xbox 360 has the best games out for a next generation console. But I think that the Wii will win the console war because of its cool sleek design, low almost impluse buying price, and its innovative gameplay.
dark_guardian216
i feel that this console is really important to sony

businesswise, i feel that this console has a great chance of winning the console race.
it has amazing features, such as the blueray and internet, and all sorts of other capabilities such as graphics and other features that can host even higher quality of games.

unfortunately, there are alot of things that stands in its way of crowning itself the winner.

the first is the price tag. it is insanely expensive, even though the bluray costs alot more than the console. you could get 2 xbox360s for one ps3

the second is distribution. here, in singapore, only 200 or so (i think) consoles were sold when it was first distributed. the next batch are coming in a month or so i think. singapore got theirs later than the other couintries as there was a breakdown in communications or something, resulting in singapores order coming late, making it miss the deadline. if this problem is not resolved, many people will just get plain frusfrated in waiting for it and get themselves a wii or xbox360. this could cost sony quite a few customers.

another is interactivity. wiis controller is state of the art. it allows many functions that were unheard of a decade ago. if sony coul;d adopt this, maybe in their next console or what, they could get more business. as i said on the wii thread, more people are looking for more bang for thier buck.

the last i have is community. as sony has not released a console for ages, it has been taken over by the first xbox. with xbox live, microsoft has effectively made themselves thier own community, which was a feature not present in ps2. therefore, sony will have trouble establishing thier own gaming community, when there are already well established ones like xboxlive. the same applies to wii.
basementgamesltd
Hey all,

I must admit. When I first was reading about the Sony Playstation 3, I really thought it was overpriced and no way would I ever consider getting it for myself. After playing a PS3 that my friend bought with his tax return money, it seems like a great, reliable, powerful system. Although the price tag is very high, the system does offer a lot. Built in to the system is a blu-ray DVD player. Considering that blu-ray DVD players run about $1000 on average, the $600 price tag for the PS3 is not totally unreasonable. Along with the blu-ray DVD player, comes a great powerful system with some amazing games. The one game that my friend and I are waiting for is called 'Lair'. It looks really great. And with the technology of the PS3, it will be around for a long time and bring tons of games with more possibillities for bigger games that use a lot of power. But still, I understand if there are people who think that the price is way too high, because $600 is quite a hefty price tag for a console that comes with no games and only one controller. Well, that's all I have for now about the PS3. Keep it real...

- Tom
william
Well, I've just read that the $500 Playstation 3 is almost over in North America. Sony said that they'll no longer ship them to the United States. Probably because everyone who wants a Playstation 3 wants the $600 version. If I recall correctly, the ration of $500 PS3's sold to the number of $600 PS3's sold is 1:9. Kind of makes sense, but this means that the PS3 is $600, period.
Octaeder
Yes the consoles expensive (I'm in UK so £425 for the 60gig version... Which is roughly $850) but it depends what you want from the console. The fanboys don't seem to understand that people may want to do different things with their consoles...

If you want a games machine and nothing else then it makes sense to buy a 360 (well.. unless you want Final Fantasy XIII as much as I do)

If, however, you want true HDMI support as well as the blu-ray player then it's PS3 every time.

So I bought a PS3... and it's awesome
The_Gamer294
OK, i went to walmart the other day and there was a ps3 sitting there

i picked up the controller and started playing motorstorm and it was LAGGING! it took about two laps for it to finally recover. PS3 is stupid
definition
Ok 600€ is a lot of money but its worth it, i have 2 playstation 2's and over 27 games. The playstation 3 is coming and i want to be the first!! Very Happy
QrafTee
definition wrote:
Ok 600€ is a lot of money but its worth it, i have 2 playstation 2's and over 27 games. The playstation 3 is coming and i want to be the first!! Very Happy

Hey good reason. Keep your PS2 though since the PS3 will be emulating it's backwards capabilities you're probably going to hit a snag trying to get all 27 PS2 games to work flawlessly on the PS3.
gangsterr
to expensive, i am going to but it a year or so.
Whong
gangsterr wrote:
to expensive, i am going to but it a year or so.


For me PS3 is too expensive, but even if I had the money I would not buy it!

I'm one of those hardcore Nintendo fans, who just can't think of getting anything else! Very Happy

PS3 is cool though, but it isn't for me. Wink
mynameis
I think the ps3 sucks in terms of spec. the 360 beats it hands down in every corner except for the CPU of course but even thats bad because even though the ps3 has 8 RSX or w/e dedicated processors and the 360 has 3 parallel, The 360s CPU is general and much much easier to develop for (explains the huge collection of exclusive games for the 360 and only bad 360 ports and some other games for the ps3. The ps3 does NOT own the 360 in spec. thats one of the major hype or w/e you call it that everyone thinks about the ps3. If you google it you'll see. Its even on gamespot they do direct screenshot comparisons between multiformat games and in every game the lighting, texture, framerate although you can't see that in the screenshots, are better. If you ask developers which is better most say 360 not because its easier to develop for but because of the spec. they know games they make them..

I'm not saying the ps3's crap because it isn't but believe me even if someone gave me one i'd sell it... and there's no way in hell i'd buy one not for that price not for the games.

360 FTW!
mynameis
The_Gamer294 wrote:
OK, i went to walmart the other day and there was a ps3 sitting there

i picked up the controller and started playing motorstorm and it was LAGGING! it took about two laps for it to finally recover. PS3 is stupid


lol - I went along to Virgin Megastore and to be perfectly honest Virtua Tennis looks better on 360!

Edit: - Buy a ps3 forget the games its got a Blue Ray dvd player

360 FTW!
tekanubis
I just like to point out that if you do side by side comparison of PS3 and 360, since yes, it is newer the graphics aren't as good. Yes, they probably will be in the future when full advantage is taken of the hardware, but not currently. I do not want a 360 btw, I'm for the wii. I don't care about awesome graphics if the games aren't as fun. But that's just my taste, everyone's is different. I just think PS3 is really underachieving it's potential, and don't get me wrong 360 still has some left as well.
dark_guardian216
lets face it. the ps3 is way more advanced than any of us, cept Sony, would have dreamed of a decade ago. but sony have proved us all wrong, and has packed tons of technology into that $600 box. blueray player, state of the art graphics and whatnot. there has been alot of justified bitching about the price, and sony have just left nearly no room for improvement, based on the standards of today's technology. ( i may be wrong) i wont go as far to say that the ps3 outclasses the rest, as it has left some valuable areas untouched, such as the Wii controller and a network as well established as the xbox360. but for now, this baby, along with her competitors, have busted all our expectations and we should all really give credit to the designers for their wonderful work. the only real question that remains is:

What next?
QrafTee
dark_guardian216 wrote:
lets face it. the ps3 is way more advanced than any of us, cept Sony, would have dreamed of a decade ago. but sony have proved us all wrong, and has packed tons of technology into that $600 box. blueray player, state of the art graphics and whatnot. there has been alot of justified bitching about the price, and sony have just left nearly no room for improvement, based on the standards of today's technology. ( i may be wrong) i wont go as far to say that the ps3 outclasses the rest, as it has left some valuable areas untouched, such as the Wii controller and a network as well established as the xbox360. but for now, this baby, along with her competitors, have busted all our expectations and we should all really give credit to the designers for their wonderful work. the only real question that remains is:

What next?

Um... methinks price drop?
CT93
I still haven't gotten the PS3... far too expensive over here in Australia!

What are the actual improvements on this model compared to the PS2? The only reason I want one is because all the new games are now on PS3, and when a new game comes out that I really want, I am left disappointed.
traxion
there are roamers that sony will cut the price because the blue-ray is getting 100 dollar cheaper

anyway sony makes at the moment still 200 dollar lost a console they sell so i dont now if they are going to cut the price but i hope so


2 reasoens to wait for to buy a ps3

1 its much money and there will be a price drop (when is the question)

2 there are only a few good games (max 5) and only in September/Octobers or even later the better games will come so the ps3 will only eat dust
aznhomieboi1689
I never really like PS3, or Sony. They are in a different kind of market, and that market is small right now. Sure, anyone would love to have a PS3
, to sell it or play it, but they put TOO much in the system, it's complicated.

That is why Nintendo is better, they are looking to open new doors and new market.
photoflashCS3
I havent got PS3 but I want one
I mean blu-ray players cost $1500 in AU and there only $1000
online chat 3-d chat and you can personalies them like
a tony hawk game now thats cool Laughing
traxion
photoflashCS3 wrote:
I havent got PS3 but I want one
I mean blu-ray players cost $1500 in AU and there only $1000
online chat 3-d chat and you can personalies them like
a tony hawk game now thats cool Laughing


the online 3d chat is called HOME. a sort second life where u can do stuff like second life and u can see the newest trailers

the tony hawk game is on every console so u dont realy need a ps3 for tony hawk
dark_guardian216
Newsflash

Apparently the Playstation 3 did SO badly in the market that its chief designer from Sony was told to step down. he was forced to quit and lost his job. MAN Sony are desperate. Apparently Sony need this big break. They've been pouring lots and lots of funds and still not much has come out of it. this is they're major project sand if this fails, Sony is pretty much sunk. Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation

Sony has added SO much that the price and other factors are working against them.

They have pumped this little box SO full of technology that they have to add such a large price tag just to cover the cost and maybe a small profit.

who really needs a Blueray player on their console? or other such facilities? gaming consoles are for playing. Sony has turned theirs into a full blown entertainment center (television and sound system not included).
MJMX
3,2 Ghz processor is not much compared to new pc. Pc has also way more features than PS3 as you know. PS games performance is much worse because you can't "install" the games in ps. That makes games load every single room you enter etc. Multiplayer option is available but it is difficult and it costs cash. Mad
m-productions
MJMX wrote:
3,2 Ghz processor is not much compared to new pc. Pc has also way more features than PS3 as you know. PS games performance is much worse because you can't "install" the games in ps. That makes games load every single room you enter etc. Multiplayer option is available but it is difficult and it costs cash. Mad


First off, just because it dosnt "install" the game dosnt not mean it loads slower, this is not the case at all, second, multiplayer is free... this isnt lame xbox here. and its.. super simple.. just make an account and your on.


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who really needs a Blueray player on their console? or other such facilities? gaming consoles are for playing. Sony has turned theirs into a full blown entertainment center (television and sound system not included).

Ummm 1, the added blueray player so we could have HD games..... 2nd, the added it so people who want a blueray player will go buy the ps3.. its one of the cheapest blueray players there is.
dhdsystem
i saw a few games on ps3 and i thougt that was a joke XD graphics on hd was a little bit better than ps2 (f1 game), and no AA filtering on graphics, xbox 360 games looks a lot of better and they are easier to write for 3core system than for the 7core system
Geminh
In My opinion the PS3 Surpassed my expectations when you consider the lineup of games compared to the Wii. Games such as MGS 4 Patriots will be almost the biggest hit once it comes up. I mean cmon think about it Snake is hella old and the chance of our main character's survival is hella slim. Another game that im sure will be a hit would be FFXIII. Once i saw the trailer to this game i couldnt get my eyes off it. I just honestly hope that the battle system goes to original TBS(Turn based system). I dont mind Real Active Time fighting, i just perfer it more since i'm more used to it then Real Active Time. The last game for sure which i will consider purchasing would be Grand Theft Auto IV. Even the first game was fun although inferior to the later series . I hope this game will surpass it's predecessors and will continue to grow in fun.
QrafTee
Geminh wrote:
In My opinion the PS3 Surpassed my expectations when you consider the lineup of games compared to the Wii. Games such as MGS 4 Patriots will be almost the biggest hit once it comes up. I mean cmon think about it Snake is hella old and the chance of our main character's survival is hella slim. Another game that im sure will be a hit would be FFXIII. Once i saw the trailer to this game i couldnt get my eyes off it. I just honestly hope that the battle system goes to original TBS(Turn based system). I dont mind Real Active Time fighting, i just perfer it more since i'm more used to it then Real Active Time. The last game for sure which i will consider purchasing would be Grand Theft Auto IV. Even the first game was fun although inferior to the later series . I hope this game will surpass it's predecessors and will continue to grow in fun.

... The PS3 surpassed your expectations with MGS4 and FFXIII? Wow... that's a great lineup and no one saw it coming. If you didn't catch that, it was sarcasm. Two games isn't a lineup, but of course they have other games, just not a big exclusive lineup. And for exclusives, everyone expected those games among others to have been exclusive anyhow. Now for them to remain exclusive... that'd be something to see.
lastelement0
Well I guess Sony has felt the pressure from the other systems doing so well and their sales not being so great. Today Sony has cut the price of the PS3 by 100 bux for each option. Don't know if this will have any major effect for the sales of it at this point in time, but maybe if they do ANOTHER price cut by holiday season (doubt it), they may be able to catch up, if not double their previous holiday season sales. BTW this is for the US, not anywhere else to my knowledge, or Reuters for that matter lol.

Quote:
SAN FRANCISCO, California (Reuters) -- Sony has cut the price of the PlayStation 3 by $100, or 17 percent, in the United States, a move that should boost the video game console's lackluster sales.
art.ps3.gi.jpg

Starting Monday, the current PS3 60 gigabyte model will cost $499 -- a $100 price drop.

The PlayStation 3, which includes a 60-gigabyte hard drive and a Blu-ray high-definition DVD player, will now cost $500, or $20 more than the most expensive version of Microsoft's Xbox 360.

The PS3 still costs twice that of Nintendo's Wii console, whose $250 price and motion-sensing controller have made it a best-seller despite its lack of cutting-edge graphics and hard disk.
m-productions
lastelement0 wrote:
Well I guess Sony has felt the pressure from the other systems doing so well and their sales not being so great. Today Sony has cut the price of the PS3 by 100 bux for each option. Don't know if this will have any major effect for the sales of it at this point in time, but maybe if they do ANOTHER price cut by holiday season (doubt it), they may be able to catch up, if not double their previous holiday season sales. BTW this is for the US, not anywhere else to my knowledge, or Reuters for that matter lol.

Quote:
SAN FRANCISCO, California (Reuters) -- Sony has cut the price of the PlayStation 3 by $100, or 17 percent, in the United States, a move that should boost the video game console's lackluster sales.
art.ps3.gi.jpg

Starting Monday, the current PS3 60 gigabyte model will cost $499 -- a $100 price drop.

The PlayStation 3, which includes a 60-gigabyte hard drive and a Blu-ray high-definition DVD player, will now cost $500, or $20 more than the most expensive version of Microsoft's Xbox 360.

The PS3 still costs twice that of Nintendo's Wii console, whose $250 price and motion-sensing controller have made it a best-seller despite its lack of cutting-edge graphics and hard disk.



but you dont say the full reason for the drop do you? they are droping the price to make room for the new ps3 with the new harddive space, which will remain at the 599 price.
Packfan104L4
m-productions wrote:
lastelement0 wrote:
Well I guess Sony has felt the pressure from the other systems doing so well and their sales not being so great. Today Sony has cut the price of the PS3 by 100 bux for each option. Don't know if this will have any major effect for the sales of it at this point in time, but maybe if they do ANOTHER price cut by holiday season (doubt it), they may be able to catch up, if not double their previous holiday season sales. BTW this is for the US, not anywhere else to my knowledge, or Reuters for that matter lol.

Quote:
SAN FRANCISCO, California (Reuters) -- Sony has cut the price of the PlayStation 3 by $100, or 17 percent, in the United States, a move that should boost the video game console's lackluster sales.
art.ps3.gi.jpg

Starting Monday, the current PS3 60 gigabyte model will cost $499 -- a $100 price drop.

The PlayStation 3, which includes a 60-gigabyte hard drive and a Blu-ray high-definition DVD player, will now cost $500, or $20 more than the most expensive version of Microsoft's Xbox 360.

The PS3 still costs twice that of Nintendo's Wii console, whose $250 price and motion-sensing controller have made it a best-seller despite its lack of cutting-edge graphics and hard disk.



but you dont say the full reason for the drop do you? they are droping the price to make room for the new ps3 with the new harddive space, which will remain at the 599 price.


AND a copy of that crappy lagging racing game. OOOOOOOOO. Sony thinks that just because the game sells 1 million copies worldwide that it's an awesome game that can be franchised. The fact is that it is STILL one of the few PS3 games out there so you're basically FORCING your customers to buy the crappy game.


And to the person who said PS3 multiplayer is free about 7 days back. You don't understand anything about business I guess. Microsoft is a genious for charging for XBOX Live, because NEWS FLASH: Servers and bandwidth aren't cheap! Live is able to maintain itself which means more content can be produced for games for a lower cost. PS3 servers take an automatic bank hit because they're not recouping ANY kind of server costs. Yea, the servers are free for now, but will be GONE as soon as the game's craze is over.
QrafTee
What I'm hearing is... Battle.Net has been free for quite a while... but it's not actually free and will be P2P after the "game craze" is over? Perhaps Diablo II and Starcraft is still alive and kicking at 100%... Or not?
Kleopatra
I think I wait till GTA 4 will come out for PS3 and if the price is acceptable then I'll get myself one... (so damn expensive)
Guelila
Ok, I posted this post at the XBox360 section about a week ago, but since no one replied and I need to know it fast, Im going to post it here. Smile
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OK
people listen up =D

I going to get either a PS3 or a Xbox360, but I cant choose which one.
The thing I want, is that when a few friends come over, I want to be able to entertain them for a long time with multiplayer games (splitscreen) that 4 of us can play.

now I know that both PS3 and Xbox360 supports 4 players, but what I want to know is which system has more multiplayer games that fit my needs?

Need advice from the expertz please
m-productions
Guelila wrote:
Ok, I posted this post at the XBox360 section about a week ago, but since no one replied and I need to know it fast, Im going to post it here. Smile
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OK
people listen up =D

I going to get either a PS3 or a Xbox360, but I cant choose which one.
The thing I want, is that when a few friends come over, I want to be able to entertain them for a long time with multiplayer games (splitscreen) that 4 of us can play.

now I know that both PS3 and Xbox360 supports 4 players, but what I want to know is which system has more multiplayer games that fit my needs?

Need advice from the expertz please


in the end, the ps3 will have better games, but as of now, the xbox360 has been out for over a year, and thus, has many games already, so tho i hate to tell anyone to get an xbox360 (ps3 is so much better) for your needs, the 360 is best.






Now to the noob who said the playstation network servers are bad because they are free... um... do you have a ps3? i dont think so.
dark_guardian216
Guelila wrote:
Ok, I posted this post at the XBox360 section about a week ago, but since no one replied and I need to know it fast, Im going to post it here. Smile
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OK
people listen up =D

I going to get either a PS3 or a Xbox360, but I cant choose which one.
The thing I want, is that when a few friends come over, I want to be able to entertain them for a long time with multiplayer games (splitscreen) that 4 of us can play.

now I know that both PS3 and Xbox360 supports 4 players, but what I want to know is which system has more multiplayer games that fit my needs?

Need advice from the expertz please


Well, have you thought of the Wii? multiple controllers wise i think they are cheaper, and it has PLENTY of games for multiplayer. the Wii was built for family entertainment. I feel thats the best for you.l
alexdude
dark_guardian216 wrote:
Guelila wrote:
Ok, I posted this post at the XBox360 section about a week ago, but since no one replied and I need to know it fast, Im going to post it here. Smile
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OK
people listen up =D

I going to get either a PS3 or a Xbox360, but I cant choose which one.
The thing I want, is that when a few friends come over, I want to be able to entertain them for a long time with multiplayer games (splitscreen) that 4 of us can play.

now I know that both PS3 and Xbox360 supports 4 players, but what I want to know is which system has more multiplayer games that fit my needs?

Need advice from the expertz please


Well, have you thought of the Wii? multiple controllers wise i think they are cheaper, and it has PLENTY of games for multiplayer. the Wii was built for family entertainment. I feel thats the best for you.l


The only reason I wouldn't get a Wii is because most of the games are pointed to a younger audience. Also, the graphics capable on the Wii are the same as the first Xbox or less.
Guelila
dark_guardian216 wrote:
Guelila wrote:
Ok, I posted this post at the XBox360 section about a week ago, but since no one replied and I need to know it fast, Im going to post it here. Smile
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OK
people listen up =D

I going to get either a PS3 or a Xbox360, but I cant choose which one.
The thing I want, is that when a few friends come over, I want to be able to entertain them for a long time with multiplayer games (splitscreen) that 4 of us can play.

now I know that both PS3 and Xbox360 supports 4 players, but what I want to know is which system has more multiplayer games that fit my needs?

Need advice from the expertz please


Well, have you thought of the Wii? multiple controllers wise i think they are cheaper, and it has PLENTY of games for multiplayer. the Wii was built for family entertainment. I feel thats the best for you.l


Yeaaa... I dont have the Wii in mind, because, as many people know and as alexdude said, Wii is aimed at an younger audience, and well, Im getting old. Very Happy
Same for Gamecube, when I was younger I used to love it, but as I grew older, most of my friends had the xbox or the PS2 and they had all the cool games like the GTA series, Halo1&2, Winning ## and so on, and I couldnt but wish that I would have gotten them instead of the Gamecube.
But just so you know, my younger brother still loves gamecube over anything. Smile
QrafTee
Guelila wrote:
dark_guardian216 wrote:
Guelila wrote:
Ok, I posted this post at the XBox360 section about a week ago, but since no one replied and I need to know it fast, Im going to post it here. Smile
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OK
people listen up =D

I going to get either a PS3 or a Xbox360, but I cant choose which one.
The thing I want, is that when a few friends come over, I want to be able to entertain them for a long time with multiplayer games (splitscreen) that 4 of us can play.

now I know that both PS3 and Xbox360 supports 4 players, but what I want to know is which system has more multiplayer games that fit my needs?

Need advice from the expertz please


Well, have you thought of the Wii? multiple controllers wise i think they are cheaper, and it has PLENTY of games for multiplayer. the Wii was built for family entertainment. I feel thats the best for you.l


Yeaaa... I dont have the Wii in mind, because, as many people know and as alexdude said, Wii is aimed at an younger audience, and well, Im getting old. Very Happy
Same for Gamecube, when I was younger I used to love it, but as I grew older, most of my friends had the xbox or the PS2 and they had all the cool games like the GTA series, Halo1&2, Winning ## and so on, and I couldnt but wish that I would have gotten them instead of the Gamecube.
But just so you know, my younger brother still loves gamecube over anything. Smile

Wow... you're either really uninformed or just plain stupid. Sorry for being blunt. If Manhunt 2 is too "kiddy" for you, then society isn't ready for you. Go back to the correctional facility from whence you came and stay there until you've "matured" enough.
traxion
yea

i got my ps3 for a few weeks now.. it is really cool


i got the game moterstrom with it (yea no R:fom, i got the starterpack with 1 game 3 weeks later there was a new pack:( )

but anyway i think the game is not so good as all the ppl say..

i like the first 3 hours of the game but then its for the to **** stuff.. when i dont use turbo in a lab the rest drive behind me.. when i use the turbo for 1 lab they still drive close to my..

u need to chase of the opponent.. with this game u cant..

and if u crash or drive the wrong angle on some jumps ure car break down.. JEA with some jumps also its very **** is u ask my
gtherockgod
QrafTee wrote:
Guelila wrote:
dark_guardian216 wrote:
Guelila wrote:
Ok, I posted this post at the XBox360 section about a week ago, but since no one replied and I need to know it fast, Im going to post it here. Smile
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OK
people listen up =D

I going to get either a PS3 or a Xbox360, but I cant choose which one.
The thing I want, is that when a few friends come over, I want to be able to entertain them for a long time with multiplayer games (splitscreen) that 4 of us can play.

now I know that both PS3 and Xbox360 supports 4 players, but what I want to know is which system has more multiplayer games that fit my needs?

Need advice from the expertz please


Well, have you thought of the Wii? multiple controllers wise i think they are cheaper, and it has PLENTY of games for multiplayer. the Wii was built for family entertainment. I feel thats the best for you.l


Yeaaa... I dont have the Wii in mind, because, as many people know and as alexdude said, Wii is aimed at an younger audience, and well, Im getting old. Very Happy
Same for Gamecube, when I was younger I used to love it, but as I grew older, most of my friends had the xbox or the PS2 and they had all the cool games like the GTA series, Halo1&2, Winning ## and so on, and I couldnt but wish that I would have gotten them instead of the Gamecube.
But just so you know, my younger brother still loves gamecube over anything. Smile

Wow... you're either really uninformed or just plain stupid. Sorry for being blunt. If Manhunt 2 is too "kiddy" for you, then society isn't ready for you. Go back to the correctional facility from whence you came and stay there until you've "matured" enough.


He's saying in general games for the Wii are aimed at younger audiences. Obviously there's gonna be exceptions (Manhunt, Resident Evil)
LostOverThere
Actually general games for Wii are aimed at Family's. Remembering Kids are part of family's.

But keep the Wii in mind, Resident Evil 4, Red Steel, Call of Duty, Zelda Twilight Princess, etc. Smile
traxion
LostOverThere wrote:
Actually general games for Wii are aimed at Family's. Remembering Kids are part of family's.

But keep the Wii in mind, Resident Evil 4, Red Steel, Call of Duty, Zelda Twilight Princess, etc. Smile


the wii give me a break

the sony is forming the ps2 into a wii killer.. everybody already got a ps2 of buys one for 150 euro with seveal console a few new free games and a game collecting over 1.000 games

now sony (or somebody else:P) is creating a look a like wii controller with all the extra
Tom7
DecayClan wrote:
As soon as it doesn't have a keyboard and a mouse, its not good for me... I Like computers, and i hate consoles.I wouldn't buy PS3 or any other console! Burn the consoles!~ Smile

HERE HERE! Very Happy

I heard alot about the ps3 a couple of months before it was released, but have not heard anything since, until now. I didn't even know it was released, i think it is a bit of a flunk, because i heard SOOO much about the xbox 360 before and during release, but nothing about the ps3.
QrafTee
Tom7 wrote:
DecayClan wrote:
As soon as it doesn't have a keyboard and a mouse, its not good for me... I Like computers, and i hate consoles.I wouldn't buy PS3 or any other console! Burn the consoles!~ Smile

HERE HERE! Very Happy

I heard alot about the ps3 a couple of months before it was released, but have not heard anything since, until now. I didn't even know it was released, i think it is a bit of a flunk, because i heard SOOO much about the xbox 360 before and during release, but nothing about the ps3.

You really must've been living in a cave if you didn't hear anything about the PS3 until now...
LostOverThere
traxion wrote:
LostOverThere wrote:
Actually general games for Wii are aimed at Family's. Remembering Kids are part of family's.

But keep the Wii in mind, Resident Evil 4, Red Steel, Call of Duty, Zelda Twilight Princess, etc. Smile


the wii give me a break

the sony is forming the ps2 into a wii killer.. everybody already got a ps2 of buys one for 150 euro with seveal console a few new free games and a game collecting over 1.000 games

now sony (or somebody else:P) is creating a look a like wii controller with all the extra


That sounds like Sony, always steeling everyone elses ideas. Rolling Eyes
Sparda
I've decided to buy one of these new systems recently. I did some research on PS3/Xbox 360 and.. none on Wii because those aren't my kind of games. I found out that Xbox has a problem with its hardware having a problem called "ring of fire". And it also messes up the discs. For the PS3 things look good except the price. I do have a question about the HD. I would like to buy the PS3 with 40GB HD because it costs $400 all together. I did read that this version of PS3 does not support PS2 backups and I'm okay with that because I already have a PS2 console. I'm not really sure what the Hard drive for the PS3 is for actually. This is something new to me. Is there a limit to how many games I can play on the system? Why would 80GB be better than 40GB? Also, can I just play off the disc and not waste that Space in the HD? I won't buy this 40GB PS3 if it's not worth it. ~Thanks for helping
agustin
i didnt tried it yet but it would be great for sure!
Shadow03
Sparda wrote:
I've decided to buy one of these new systems recently. I did some research on PS3/Xbox 360 and.. none on Wii because those aren't my kind of games. I found out that Xbox has a problem with its hardware having a problem called "ring of fire". And it also messes up the discs. For the PS3 things look good except the price. I do have a question about the HD. I would like to buy the PS3 with 40GB HD because it costs $400 all together. I did read that this version of PS3 does not support PS2 backups and I'm okay with that because I already have a PS2 console. I'm not really sure what the Hard drive for the PS3 is for actually. This is something new to me. Is there a limit to how many games I can play on the system? Why would 80GB be better than 40GB? Also, can I just play off the disc and not waste that Space in the HD? I won't buy this 40GB PS3 if it's not worth it. ~Thanks for helping


The new XBox 360 Core will not have that problem.

And PS3 is great in my opinion. Heavenly Sword, Dynasty Warriors: Gundam and Warhawk are amazing. PS3 is faster and smoother than any other console (look at the charts before saying "ur wrong ps3 sux", because the facts are all there), so I love it. And there's also the fact that it's 100% backwards compatible, aside from minor sound issues on a few games such as MegaMan Legends.
QrafTee
Shadow03 wrote:
The new XBox 360 Core will not have that problem.

And PS3 is great in my opinion. Heavenly Sword, Dynasty Warriors: Gundam and Warhawk are amazing. PS3 is faster and smoother than any other console (look at the charts before saying "ur wrong ps3 sux", because the facts are all there), so I love it. And there's also the fact that it's 100% backwards compatible, aside from minor sound issues on a few games such as MegaMan Legends.

Actually the new Xbox 360 Core (aka Xbox 360 Arcade) will likely experience the same Red Ring of Death problem because the new chips still experience the same problems as the old ones. Yes, the new Xbox 360 Arcade will have the new chip (65nm?) and the extra heatsink on the motherboard will help, but the Halo 3 Edition Xbox 360 still have problems and I think it has the new chip in it already. Of course I'm not 100% sure about this.
fortune
I want to buy PS3 but I alreasy bot nintendo Wii.
I was idiot that i bought Wii because Wii is not good TV game.
And after I bought nintendo Wii I saw PS3 and I thought I was so idiot.
But I think PS3 is so expensive what does you guys think about that?
enygmasoft
I love PS3 which amazingly is only $12 more expensive than a blue ray player. Lots of bang for the buck if you ask me, I certainly will saving up for a nice Sony 52" LCD TV with 1080p support to do my PS3 Justice. I will certainly love the eyecandy that the biggest LCD that can fit in my room is going to bring.
Hypnosan
I picked up the 60GB PS3 and I've really been impressed with it overall. I don't personally own many games on it as I subscribe to GameFly which gives me the chance to play quite a few, but I try to pick up the "big" titles.
enygmasoft
PS 3 is the cheapest blue ray on the planet. Since it's essetially an included accessory for the PS3. This my biggest reason to shell 2 grand for a 46" Sony LCD, which supports all of the Blue Ray Goodness, which is 1080p, which an amazingly expensive technology to get added to any LCD or plasma TV. This additive adds another $300 to the TV to Support this.
Additonally after I get the PS3, I have a better than nothing 600Watt RCA 5.1 sound system, which could use an update, to a nice 7.1 Sony 1200 Watt Sound Upgrade. Although I do see myself saving up for a nice BOSE speaker seteup, before getting the Sony sound system.
pll
I think I will get a PS3 soon. I've played playstation 1 and 2 (but I only own the Playstation 1) and liked the feeling I had on it 7 years ago.

I really one of these playstation 3.
I can't wait til' Metal Gear Solid and tekken 6 comes out!

I also plan to buy the game Rock Band.
QrafTee
enygmasoft wrote:
PS 3 is the cheapest blue ray on the planet. Since it's essetially an included accessory for the PS3. This my biggest reason to shell 2 grand for a 46" Sony LCD, which supports all of the Blue Ray Goodness, which is 1080p, which an amazingly expensive technology to get added to any LCD or plasma TV. This additive adds another $300 to the TV to Support this.
Additonally after I get the PS3, I have a better than nothing 600Watt RCA 5.1 sound system, which could use an update, to a nice 7.1 Sony 1200 Watt Sound Upgrade. Although I do see myself saving up for a nice BOSE speaker seteup, before getting the Sony sound system.

Not only is PS3 one of the cheapest blu-ray players on the planet, but it's one of the best ones as well. The quality in it is very high and so as long as it can handle the new blu-ray standards, everything will be alright. If--by chance--the PS3 cannot handle the new blu-ray standards--which some older blu-ray players will not be able to--then a lot of people will be mad.
enygmasoft
The PS3 rules with HDMI and its built in blueray player, which is the same price as a sony blue ray player by itself. with the added bonus of being a PS3 as well, which makes for an excellent buy for blue ray enthusiasts.
Costa
The Ps3 is very cool, but the prices is veery high, here in Brazil the price is 2000 R$
Seiji
Did anyone get Assassin's Creed? I haven't been able to play it yet but after reading the reviews I heard its a really good game with impressive graphics.
QrafTee
Seiji wrote:
Did anyone get Assassin's Creed? I haven't been able to play it yet but after reading the reviews I heard its a really good game with impressive graphics.

I heard Assassin's Creed was a big let down. That doesn't mean it's a bad game, it just means the big hype surrounding it was its biggest downfall because very few games can live up to the hype. But by no means is it a bad game.
thomasw
we've had one for a while now

they're great but i thought that the graphics would be alot better than xbox - they're not that different to me though

the good thing is im used to the PS controller so Very Happy

and my mum and dad payed for it so :p

you should get one if you want to upgrade from a PS2 though (Y)
ps3consolewar
madsencarl wrote:
Well, it's soon on its way. Will you be getting the console that will could possibly flush down the Xbox 360?

i agree

go to http://ps3consolewar.webs.com
Sparda
Here is what I want to know. Why are the majority of PS3 games 1 player? Yes, most do have online capabilities, but I have 2 controllers and have absolutely no use for them. If all PS3 games are going to be 1 player (offline) the online play better let me have two people on my system play online. Can I play with two different people on my system online? I mean the only game I have that even has more than one-player capability is call of duty 4 and it is seriously not fun.
optimus
this will be nice 1 i guess i will chk some deals and let you know !
Ghengis
Sparda wrote:
Here is what I want to know. Why are the majority of PS3 games 1 player? Yes, most do have online capabilities, but I have 2 controllers and have absolutely no use for them. If all PS3 games are going to be 1 player (offline) the online play better let me have two people on my system play online. Can I play with two different people on my system online? I mean the only game I have that even has more than one-player capability is call of duty 4 and it is seriously not fun.


I just got a PS3 before Christmas. I bought it used, with a second controller. I use the second controller as a spare for the first, since you can't change out fresh batteries when it dies. I've never needed it for another person. I hear Flow lets you have a second player, but it doesn't really interest my wife very much. Otherwise... yeah, I hear ya. Same-console multiplayer just isn't an emphasis anymore. It's not just the PS3, either -- I have 2 360 controllers, and I only bought the second one because of Puzzle Fighter. I think the only DVD game I have that supports local multi is Crackdown, and I think that gets played online a lot more often. Maybe it's just that people don't hang out in the same place as often as they used to; maybe it's that the Wii has "party games" covered so well. I don't know, but it's a shame if you ask me.
ptfrances
The first time I played on the PS3, it was a War Game but I don't remember the name. It was not really good, so I felt a little bit disappointed by this new console.
But two weeks ago, I used to play on Call of Duty 4 and I have been astonished by the fluidity and the reality of this game... really wonderful.
But as many people already said, the PS3 is too expensive for me so maybe I will buy it when I have got more money or when Mr Sony want to drop the price of his last jewel.
Wink
Headhunter123
Will try to get the PS3 soon, and play Assassin'S Creed Very Happy
Just need some more money Wink

Can`t wait to play Assassin's Creed
Have someone tested it Question
If yes is it good or bad Question
Nocturne
PS3 still in my dreams.
Triffid
Before i buy one of these the following needs to happen:

Drop the price down more for the console
Have rumble controllers like before
Release good games
Possess a massive HD TV
Have the money to buy Blu-Ray films

Until then i aint buying one.

The only game i'm looking forward to is Metal Gear 4 and maybe the new Grand Theft Auto.
eday2010
Headhunter123 wrote:
Will try to get the PS3 soon, and play Assassin'S Creed Very Happy
Just need some more money Wink

Can`t wait to play Assassin's Creed
Have someone tested it Question
If yes is it good or bad Question


I've read in several places that the game is very, very repetitive. So I am not sure if that will bother you or not. Best bet is to rent it first Smile
QrafTee
Triffid wrote:
Before i buy one of these the following needs to happen:

Drop the price down more for the console
Have rumble controllers like before
Release good games
Possess a massive HD TV
Have the money to buy Blu-Ray films

Until then i aint buying one.

The only game i'm looking forward to is Metal Gear 4 and maybe the new Grand Theft Auto.

The first, second, and third things are very likely to occur in the future. I can see the console drop down to $299 and $399. DualShock 3 is already confirmed. And good games are already coming including, but not limited to Final Fantasy XIII and LittleBigPlanet.
Ghengis
Triffid said: "...have the money to buy Blu-Ray"

My problem is, I don't buy even regular DVDs at full price (~20 bucks), so I'm just totally SOL for Blu-Ray. I think it's beyond insane to pay over 30 bucks for a movie, regardless of quality, when I could get a game I'll play for ~40+ hours for the same price. Don't even get me *started* on high-def TV series DVDs -- I think the first season of Heroes is *still* a hundred bucks, on sale!

I think the only Blu-Ray discs I'm going to see for a *long* time will be when my local library starts lending them...
everfresh3
I use to have a PS2, but I can't wait to get a PS3. The technology fascinates me.
jerredk
No , i don't go buy 1. It's a very good thing but it isn't cheap. And there always comming better. I bought the playstation 1 and than the second , but if i now buy the 3th than i can buy over 2 years the fourth , ... And i don't play much games on a playstation. Maibi later if the price going down.
Ghengis
I'm not going to knock your English (whatever your first language is, I probably suck at it =-), but I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you expecting a PS4 in 2 years? 'Cause the PS2 lasted for 6 or 7 years and is still getting games, and Sony has stated they want the PS3 to last for 10. I agree that the retail price is still too much, which is why I got mine used.

I *would* agree that if you don't have one now, it might make sense to wait, but that's because in a few months they release the DualShock controller, and there's going to be at least one console bundle that includes it. If you "need" a DualShock, you can get one of the new bundles, and if not, the price of non-rumble controllers (and the console packages that include them) should come down.
enygmasoft
PS3 oh ps3 where for art though PS3. Of course I have the prettiest eyecandy available, but I honestly felt it was neccesary to get a LCD TV to do this justice and what better way do the eye candy justice than a 40" SONY 1080p Bravia TV. So it took me a while, to buy both, but aTV made for a more enjoyable eye candy experience. Besides I also fell in love with the fact I have a Blue Ray Worthy TV to do this PS3 proud. I have very little hope in gettng the X-Box 360, except maybe as a HD-DVD player, but I think it would be cheaper to get this HD-DVD player by itself.
Ghengis
Is that a joke or something? You *do* know the HD-DVD format is officially dead now, right?

Some people think there's going to be a fire sale on the remaining HD-DVD stock, but I figure you'll be lucky to see prices drop 20%, which IMHO is still a rip-off -- 30+ bucks for a movie? I'll just buy a game!
enygmasoft
Ghengis wrote:
Is that a joke or something? You *do* know the HD-DVD format is officially dead now, right?

Some people think there's going to be a fire sale on the remaining HD-DVD stock, but I figure you'll be lucky to see prices drop 20%, which IMHO is still a rip-off -- 30+ bucks for a movie? I'll just buy a game!


It is a sad truth, but I can see the the HD-DVD will be going the of the VCR, and that is due to the amount of visual prettyness that Blue- Ray gives us its really only a matter of time before this happens. I will saddened by the fact that so many great movies are now not being made using Blue Ray. I wonder when the producers will wise up and do the movie Properly using the Blue Ray eye candy. That is the only reason why I am even thinking about getting one.
Ghengis
It's not "only a matter of time", it' settled fact:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/19/official-hd-dvd-dead-and-buried-format-war-is-over/

There will be no more HD DVDs or HD DVD players. It's not a matter of visual quality -- they both had the same video codec and were capable of the same bitrates. Blu-ray holds a bit more data (50 gigs instead of 30 for a dual-layer disc) but is a bit more expensive. Frankly, the people with a vested interest in Blu just cared more -- the HD DVD players were cheaper, but they still didn't sell as well. I'm just glad it's over so we can move on and start seeing prices drop.
eday2010
Blu-ray actually had a higher bit-rate than HD-DVD. Not tons higher, but still higher Smile
Ghengis
eday2010 wrote:
Blu-ray actually had a higher bit-rate than HD-DVD. Not tons higher, but still higher Smile


It's funny you should mention it -- just today I was in Target, walking past a PS3 display that hadn't been updated in a while, and they had an ad playing showing a bar graph comparing bitrates across DVD, HD-DVD, and Bluray. The difference actually *wasn't* that small, (per WP) 54MBps for Blu versus 40 for HD -- I think you'd notice a difference of more than 30%. Of course, keep in mind that those are *maximum* bitrates, and don't speak to how much data is actually used by movies you can really buy. Still, I stand by what I said -- I'm glad it's over, and now we can move on.
mmwanmei
it too expansive so i wait the prive drop...
enygmasoft
In terms of features to payment, we are masively underpaying Sony for the ps3 as it is now. I am particaulary fond of blue-ray movie and the cheapest bluray availble is for aroung $420, while the cheapest PS3 is $399, which great bang for the buck in my opinion. But to do the PS3 justice, a nice LCD or plasma TV is in order. I had to get both at the same time and it was well worth the wait to get a Sony 40" LCD tv that has 1080p, which is the best eye candy imaginable coming of the PS3. But yep, I can't deny I could have gotten other thing, $1800 later. But it use it every day so its worth it for me.
Akito
Naw I'm aiming for xbox 360 cause of Halo 3 D:
QrafTee
I've finally decided to get the PS3... more exactly the Metal Gear Solid 4 Bundle with the going-into-extinction 80GB Backwards-compatible PS3, the Dual Shock 3, and Metal Gear Solid 4. Now I just need to save up the money for it...
kilotun
Sirs & Maddams,

I regretfully must inform you all that the PS3, Xbox 360, and nintendo Wii, as they did on all the lower platforms have pro's and con's for each system. The biggest and probably most important difference is Game Titles. Then comes what country you'd like to support, Sony/Nintendo are from Japan, while Microsoft is located in the second most greatest country in the world America. If i had the money i would buy all three, Because i am a true Gamer unlike you whinny little kids.
eday2010
kilotun wrote:
If i had the money i would buy all three, Because i am a true Gamer unlike you whinny little kids.


Being a "true gamer" doesn't mean you have to own all three systems. If it means anything, it's that you really enjoy playing video games, whether it is your main hobby or not. Being a "true gamer" means that you see the good points in each system and aren't some idiot fanboy about one system to the point that you refuse to acknowledge that there is anything good about any other system.

but to claim that you are a "true gamer" because you would own al lthe systems if you could afford it is dumb. You obviously don't know what a "true gamer" is.

Go spend some time outside.
QrafTee
eday2010 wrote:
kilotun wrote:
If i had the money i would buy all three, Because i am a true Gamer unlike you whinny little kids.


Being a "true gamer" doesn't mean you have to own all three systems. If it means anything, it's that you really enjoy playing video games, whether it is your main hobby or not. Being a "true gamer" means that you see the good points in each system and aren't some idiot fanboy about one system to the point that you refuse to acknowledge that there is anything good about any other system.

but to claim that you are a "true gamer" because you would own al lthe systems if you could afford it is dumb. You obviously don't know what a "true gamer" is.

Go spend some time outside.

You make a valid point. There's a difference between a "true gamer" and a "fanboy." You could be a true gamer AND a fanboy because you're really into certain games. But not being a fanboy doesn't necessarily means you're a true gamer, it just means you have the means to obtain three consoles.
traxion
ow.. i got now my ps3 for over 8 months and still its the best there is

the games like R&C and GT5: prologue, COD4 and i can keep going and going.. i just love it

maybe im a fanboy.. but the WII is an old PS2 with a crazy controller and a XBOX360 is an HD-dvd player with no HD-dvd content:P
QrafTee
traxion wrote:
ow.. i got now my ps3 for over 8 months and still its the best there is

the games like R&C and GT5: prologue, COD4 and i can keep going and going.. i just love it

maybe im a fanboy.. but the WII is an old PS2 with a crazy controller and a XBOX360 is an HD-dvd player with no HD-dvd content:P

An old PS2 with a crazy controller? I guess you can make some sense of that, but an Xbox 360 is an HD-DVD player? That's just nonsense since you need to buy an attachment for it to play HD-DVDs, rather it's just a gaming console first, and an HD-DVD player a distant third--ordinary media player (DVDs, CDs, music player) is second, if you were wondering.
enygmasoft
[quote="QrafTee"]
traxion wrote:
ow.. i got now my ps3 for over 8 months and still its the best there is
l,
the games like R&C and GT5: prologue, COD4 and i can keep going and going.. i just love it
foi
maybe im a fanboy.. but the WII is an old PS2 with a crazy controller and a XBOX360 is an HD-dvd player with no HD-dvd content:P

An old PS2 with a crazy controller? I guess ynsiou can make some sense of that, but an Xbox 360 is an HD-DVD player? That's just nonsense sinceie ytou need to buy an attachment for it to play HD-DVDs, rather it's just a gaming console first, and an HD-DVD player a distant third--ordinary media player (DVDs, CDs, music player) is second, if you were wondering.[/quote}

That crazy controller was the reason I got the Wii before the PS3. Nintendo is always ahead of the learning curve. Look back at wh, gat happened with every single control ever made by nintendo sooner or later gets copied by everyone. look at the n64. Honestly, games on the Wii are much more fun than PS3 games, but I am a sucker for eye candy, which why i have the ps3.
votd
PS3 seems very interesting, especially when you look at the titles lineup. Finally Sony made a good job, and implemented good, cheap and optimal core, good graphic card, a lot of RAM and HDD. Also there's Blu-ray :].
Ghengis
traxion wrote:
ow.. i got now my ps3 for over 8 months and still its the best there is

the games like R&C and GT5: prologue, COD4 and i can keep going and going.. i just love it

maybe im a fanboy.. but the WII is an old PS2 with a crazy controller and a XBOX360 is an HD-dvd player with no HD-dvd content:P


Every time this comes up, I point to objective evidence. First, I'll state my assumptions:
* Metacritic has cumulative scores from a lot of review sites. While one site may be biased against certain genres/publishers/whatever, all the reviews *in aggregate* are a pretty good estimate of quality
* It's fair to "band" together games with similar scores to establish "tiers" of quality
* The number of available games in the upper "tiers" reflects on the quality of a console system

Now, look at the "ordered by score" lists from Metacritic:
http://www.metacritic.com/games/wii/scores/
http://www.metacritic.com/games/ps3/scores/
http://www.metacritic.com/games/xbox360/scores/

Anywhere we place our cutoff, the 360 has more "good" games. If "good" means over 80%, it's [360 - 91, PS3 - 49, Wii - 21]. If it's over 90%, we get [360 - 12, PS3 - 4 (!!!), Wii - 5].


Now, I'm not saying you *need* a 360 -- there are probably enough games on the PS3 to keep an "avid" gamer supplied, and certainly plenty if you grandfather in all the compatible PS2 titles -- but if I had money for only *one* console, I think the choice would be clear.



That said, your tastes may differ -- if you were to drop, say, sport titles and FPSes from the listings, the Wii list would barely change, while the 360 list would shrink by almost an order of magnitude. I'm just glad I was able to (eventually) afford all 3.[/url]
vonboy
i havn't even gotten around to buying a ps2 yet, so maybe i can get around to the ps3 by the time the ps5 takes over the world. Razz

the ps3 is just not interesting me at the moment, it's still pretty expensive, and there aren't a lot of games that i would want on it yet. i don't like shooters, so i'm definatly not gonna get a 360 ever, but i might eventually get a ps3 later one, since it's atleast getting stuff other than shooters.
Miguel561
same here
enygmasoft
vonboy wrote:
i havn't even gotten around to buying a ps2 yet, so maybe i can get around to the ps3 by the time the ps5 takes over the world. Razz

the ps3 is just not interesting me at the moment, it's still pretty expensive, and there aren't a lot of games that i would want on it yet. i don't like shooters, so i'm definatly not gonna get a 360 ever, but i might eventually get a ps3 later one, since it's atleast getting stuff other than shooters.


I fell in love with Resident Evil 5 which only supposed to come out on this system, which sucks since the system is still hella expensive at $500 to do the system justice, considereing how massive the games are when installed you can very easily kill an 80GB Hard they come with blue ray games which can as massive as 50gb .
zinh_fei
Yeah I know guys that PS3 kicks the competition into the next dimension as Microsoft and Nintendo have no chance in hell of coming up with a gaming architecture as advanced and complex as the PS3's internal hardware.
After reading your spec on the PS3 I started wondering on how much more powerful would the PS4 system be, how would we(gamers) be interacting with the game in the not to distant future as with technology advancing at an alarming rate, images, video quality, pixels etc.. are so life like already, how would it be on the PS4? anyone with a clue on how and which way sony is heading in with the PS4 and would like to share it with rest of us please feel free to post a note on this forum. Twisted Evil
QrafTee
enygmasoft wrote:
vonboy wrote:
i havn't even gotten around to buying a ps2 yet, so maybe i can get around to the ps3 by the time the ps5 takes over the world. Razz

the ps3 is just not interesting me at the moment, it's still pretty expensive, and there aren't a lot of games that i would want on it yet. i don't like shooters, so i'm definatly not gonna get a 360 ever, but i might eventually get a ps3 later one, since it's atleast getting stuff other than shooters.


I fell in love with Resident Evil 5 which only supposed to come out on this system, which sucks since the system is still hella expensive at $500 to do the system justice, considereing how massive the games are when installed you can very easily kill an 80GB Hard they come with blue ray games which can as massive as 50gb .

I dont think Resident Evil 5 is a Playstation 3-exclusive. In either case I'm upgrading my hard drive to a 250GB as soon as I receive it from Buy.com.
zinh_fei wrote:
Yeah I know guys that PS3 kicks the competition into the next dimension as Microsoft and Nintendo have no chance in hell of coming up with a gaming architecture as advanced and complex as the PS3's internal hardware.
After reading your spec on the PS3 I started wondering on how much more powerful would the PS4 system be, how would we(gamers) be interacting with the game in the not to distant future as with technology advancing at an alarming rate, images, video quality, pixels etc.. are so life like already, how would it be on the PS4? anyone with a clue on how and which way sony is heading in with the PS4 and would like to share it with rest of us please feel free to post a note on this forum. Twisted Evil

You shot yourself in the foot a little. How else will games get more deep? With interaction AND more reaslitic graphics. That means... the Wii isn't as insignificant as you make it seem to be.
medievalman26
I just hate the reason they dropped the price...they took out the reverse compatibility to shave a few bucks off the price. I think that really sucks. I am sure that most people who went to buy it because the price dropped were trying to replace the ps2 with the ps3 and still be able to play all the games from the older systems. I have the system...it is sitting on top of my ps2. Why did they have to torture us?
spinout
today I will buy the PS3 n GTA iV game!! n a new telly! Yesssss!!!! no more shitty xbox 360 in my house!
chartcentral
Wow, the last time I've played, it was still simply the "PlayStation," I have not even tried PlayStation 2 and here came PlayStation 3 already! I'm so outdated on the gaming world. Smile
eday2010
zinh_fei wrote:
Yeah I know guys that PS3 kicks the competition into the next dimension as Microsoft and Nintendo have no chance in hell of coming up with a gaming architecture as advanced and complex as the PS3's internal hardware.


What does that matter? The internal hardware doesn't mean anything if the console offers nothing new except better graphics from the last generation, is too expensive, or doesn't have fun games. The games make or break the system, not the hardware. The point has never been more well proven than with the Wii. It has great graphics, but they aren't nearly as good as PS3 or Xbox360, but it's destroying the competition because of the games and interaction.

Watch, in several years when the next generation of consoles come out, they will be following what the Wii has done instead of just beefing up the eye candy and leaving everything else the same.
QrafTee
medievalman26 wrote:
I just hate the reason they dropped the price...they took out the reverse compatibility to shave a few bucks off the price. I think that really sucks. I am sure that most people who went to buy it because the price dropped were trying to replace the ps2 with the ps3 and still be able to play all the games from the older systems. I have the system...it is sitting on top of my ps2. Why did they have to torture us?

The new Metal Gear Solid 4 80 GB Playstation 3 bundle WILL have emulated backward compatibility... but since you already have one it may be too late I'm afraid...
eday2010 wrote:
zinh_fei wrote:
Yeah I know guys that PS3 kicks the competition into the next dimension as Microsoft and Nintendo have no chance in hell of coming up with a gaming architecture as advanced and complex as the PS3's internal hardware.


What does that matter? The internal hardware doesn't mean anything if the console offers nothing new except better graphics from the last generation, is too expensive, or doesn't have fun games. The games make or break the system, not the hardware. The point has never been more well proven than with the Wii. It has great graphics, but they aren't nearly as good as PS3 or Xbox360, but it's destroying the competition because of the games and interaction.

Watch, in several years when the next generation of consoles come out, they will be following what the Wii has done instead of just beefing up the eye candy and leaving everything else the same.

Chances are, next-gen, they'll do both. They'll beef up the hardware significantly while finding a cost effective way of integrating intuitive controls to their consoles because they're obviously working on their own type of motion controls.
spinout
so I got the ps3 as I wrote! with the console also hatchet n clank and FIFA 2008 was in the bundle.

AAHHH finally a quiet system! Now the xbox 360 I got will land on the MOON! where it belong! Don't buy a 360 - go for a 40 gb PS3 - quiet n cool! A tip is to put distances under the console so it gets in the air if you got it in a bench - it will coo l better if you got a hot home.

Hatchet n clank was a 10/10 game! so smooth grafpix n gameplay.
FIFA 2008 - they really should learn to write the code better - graphic it could be smoother alot!

and I got the GTA IV also! well I would not give it a 10 but a 9 - the 9 is for the smoothness, it's not 100% smooth always - but in most cases. A stunning fun game! The first I did was to hit n kick an old lady so she fell down n died, got cops all around, stole a car n smasched into a wall ... runned the wrong way n got shot by the cops...
QrafTee
Right now if you want to buy a PlayStation 3, I recommend buying it from Walmart.com and picking it up instore to save money on shipping. Why Walmart.com? Well it's because they're offering a $100 Walmart Gift Card when you purchase a 40GB PlayStation 3. Here's the link: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?dest=9999999997&product_id=10039674&sourceid=14739999613665098759
spinout
Now I got uncharted also!!! Fair enough fraterate!
It has got so many good reviews about the graphics - well it is good - but to say the best graphics so far is to over do it.
enygmasoft
Playstation 3 keeps hope alive for us hardcore gamers. The Wii has gone thru great gaming nminnovations that sony just loves to copy. Sooner or later there will be PS3 version of the wii controller.
spinout
Yesterday I tested GT prologue! AHH - best framerate - 1080 - and great graphix!

That is how the games should look on the PS3 - especially the framerate!
rickinyorkshire
Anyone getting MGS4? I sure am, tomorrow morning Smile
gmmunion
I rented it and beat it...it's awsome.
jon_k
Rain bow six vegas two is my favorite ps3 game i love playing co-op with friends and that lvl villa on terrorist hunt is awsome
spinout
I still keep fighting fight night round 3... on the net... so fun!!!
I can't get rid of it - its a rush - so great.

Well the framerate is a bit unstable BUt ok ...

Play it on the net !!!
QrafTee
moncader wrote:
Well, I wouldn't get PS3, I'm getting Nintendo Revolution, you know why? The 'revolution' part of it. The controller (you better have heard of it) isn't the really revolutionary part of it apparently, and if that aint, then i don't know what is...

Microsoft is well... microsoft...

PS3, mhmm, great graphics, MUCH better than X360, and will probably be better than Revolution in that sense.

But nintendo has a really neat (and cheap) product on hand. I mean, come on, gyros in the controller, so that you actually 'control' your character. It can't get better than that. Just imagine playing a game with a sword or something, where you actaully swing the sword yourself, not just mindless 'press A' a thousand times.., YOU fight. And for those shooters, you can point this controller like a gun, and actually aim like a gun. Cant get better than that.

So its nintendo hands down for me.

Nintendo... Revolution... You've been dwelling on the past man. Get up to date.
spinout
Nintendo just do games for kids - PS3 has it all!
QrafTee
spinout wrote:
Nintendo just do games for kids - PS3 has it all!

I wonder why people say things without thinking... seriously.
enygmasoft
QrafTee wrote:
spinout wrote:
Nintendo just do games for kids - PS3 has it all!

I wonder why people say things without thinking... seriously.


Last time I checked, Resident Evil 4 was out on the Wii, which is by no means a kiddie game. Nintendo makes rated "M" games too, let's not forget Eternal Darkness, which came on the game cube with a rated "M" rating, made by nintendo. No one is holding a gun to your head when getting games, granted they by no means the majority of games out, but they do exist. Nintendo shot itsself in the foot way back when Mortal Kombat was released, making it blood free, way back in the SNES days. I guess some people never forget.
Wuppie
Firmware 2.4 is making some PS3's crash, and the official Sony Playstation site is hacked and sends spyware and trojan horses to visitors...Sony's doing great!
spinout
doing great, yes, but it's for free - I wont pay money for trojans and other 'goodies' like for the 360!

Nintendo is for kids! yeah an action shooter may slip through one n awile Smile)

PS3 has the advantage of silence! mind that when you start a 360!
QrafTee
Wuppie wrote:
Firmware 2.4 is making some PS3's crash, and the official Sony Playstation site is hacked and sends spyware and trojan horses to visitors...Sony's doing great!

Yeah, I heard about that. It's a shame, but hopefully Sony learns from their mistakes. Remember, it was some time ago when Microsoft had a whole breach when their phone support associates were tricked into giving vital account information of LIVE members; keep in mind Microsoft has been doing LIVE longer than Sony has been doing PSN.
Firilacroco
If the'll make the PS3 cheaper I'll buy one, but now it's very expensive in my country. Rolling Eyes
QrafTee
Firilacroco wrote:
If the'll make the PS3 cheaper I'll buy one, but now it's very expensive in my country. Rolling Eyes

Sony's acknowledged producing the PS3 is much cheaper with advancing technology and better manufacturing processes, but they also said they're not ready for a price cut just yet... Just hold on a bit longer; once the 360 officially drops in price, Sony'll have to do something soon.
McDucque
My brother bought one recently...

He's only played Ratchet & Clank and Metal Gear Solid 4...

Both look really nice, but I don't see the overall funfactor of them. He's crazy about both games though, he literally played Metal Gear Online ALL weekend.
spinout
the prizing is higher than a 360 BUT it worth it - by far!!!
My 360 just was noize noize n noize - add heating to that also .... junk machine!

PS3 is the product adopted to a normal home - Ok if we were deaf then we could stand the 360... not deaf yet!
QrafTee
Final Fantasy XIII for the Xbox 360 has been confirmed to have a simultaneous release with its PS3 version cousin... Ouch, this is quite the low blow Square Enix dealt to Sony... kinda like when they did it so long ago to Nintendo back in the days. But I have a feeling this time it isn't just about a grudge, but more financially driven... Microsoft has a lot of money to sway companies like Square Enix. If the RROD problem wasn't so widespread and LIVE Gold was free, I probably would purchase a 360, but since the RROD problem is a widespread problem and LIVE Gold isn't free, I'll be happy to receive my PS3 in two days.
Firilacroco
QrafTee wrote:
Firilacroco wrote:
If the'll make the PS3 cheaper I'll buy one, but now it's very expensive in my country. Rolling Eyes

Sony's acknowledged producing the PS3 is much cheaper with advancing technology and better manufacturing processes, but they also said they're not ready for a price cut just yet... Just hold on a bit longer; once the 360 officially drops in price, Sony'll have to do something soon.


I hope so. Now, the best games appear first for the PS3 and xbox console.
gullip
Blu ray is totally nice on 50" inches pioneer quality plasma screen Smile
spinout
argh, now I have played 140 matches on the ranked fight night 3 server - 70 win 70 loss... haha - still this is a great game after so long!!! and there comes another one - I hope they optimizes it for the PS3. I got it for PS2, PS3 n xbox 360!

It seems like they release a new system update every week Smile) well well the last one has an transparent screen so you can see both the game n the system meny... yeah good finesse!
QrafTee
Firilacroco wrote:
QrafTee wrote:
Firilacroco wrote:
If the'll make the PS3 cheaper I'll buy one, but now it's very expensive in my country. Rolling Eyes

Sony's acknowledged producing the PS3 is much cheaper with advancing technology and better manufacturing processes, but they also said they're not ready for a price cut just yet... Just hold on a bit longer; once the 360 officially drops in price, Sony'll have to do something soon.


I hope so. Now, the best games appear first for the PS3 and xbox console.

Well, Sony confirmed that a 80GB SKU of the PS3 will be out for $399 in the U.S... hopefully that somehow translates to a lower price in your country. The 40GB are going to be phased out so you can expect prices to drop on those puppies.
gwsystem
I've gotten a PS3, the 2nd generation one, which means 40GB or 80GB. I've got the 40GB one. It's cool, the online gaming is all free! Which surely beats Xbox360 which requires a gold membership! It'll cost me a bomb over years! Besides, I would rather get PC games over Xbox360 since an original copy can play free online. Dun see the point in Xbox charging for online gaming.
gwsystem
Regarding price, I've gotten my PS3 at about US 350 +/- dollars. Well I'm not an american, so I am juz estimating. But i tink it's fair price coz its a BlueRay player inside! n not to forget, the high techology processor, the internet services etc. Its all worth it!
devilisthedj
I love the console the features and most importantly the concept of playing BluRay discs... Watch it with an HD tv and you'll forget any other disc format...
QrafTee
devilisthedj wrote:
I love the console the features and most importantly the concept of playing BluRay discs... Watch it with an HD tv and you'll forget any other disc format...

Well the fact that the bluray can be updated via internet is also a plus.
spinout
I play the game called conan right now!
Good framerate!
OK gameplay and much much blooood! Hehe fun to chop off someones arms...
Futumuch
i got pS3 when it first came out, sure its a really great console but it all seems a bit serious, i cant find a game thats actually great fun to play - they want to be taken seriously.
QrafTee
Futumuch wrote:
i got pS3 when it first came out, sure its a really great console but it all seems a bit serious, i cant find a game thats actually great fun to play - they want to be taken seriously.

Try LittleBigPlanet when it comes out at the end of the year, it doesn't take itself that seriously. If you're an anime person, you should also pick up Naruto Ultimate Ninja STORM in a few months from now. Try out demos because you might find something light-hearted and fun.
lousada332
love the ps3
zeroburnrox
Ps3 rocks....
Is there any crack of ps3 out yet? so i can download games and save them to hard.. Confused
QrafTee
zeroburnrox wrote:
Ps3 rocks....
Is there any crack of ps3 out yet? so i can download games and save them to hard.. Confused

Um... no? By the way, cracks are a taboo on this forum. Even if there was, would you really want to download 50GB games each and every time? And if you don't upgrade the hard drive, that's like being able to put 1.6 games on your PS3 assuming nothing else is installed on your PS3--which there is... the XMB, Linux, the install files needed to play your games, etc.
enygmasoft
QrafTee wrote:
zeroburnrox wrote:
Ps3 rocks....
Is there any crack of ps3 out yet? so i can download games and save them to hard.. Confused

Um... no? By the way, cracks are a taboo on this forum. Even if there was, would you really want to download 50GB games each and every time? And if you don't upgrade the hard drive, that's like being able to put 1.6 games on your PS3 assuming nothing else is installed on your PS3--which there is... the XMB, Linux, the install files needed to play your games, etc.


I know, that another reason why there is only an 80GB PS3. That way it forces people to not have to much room for cracking their games.
QrafTee
enygmasoft wrote:
QrafTee wrote:
zeroburnrox wrote:
Ps3 rocks....
Is there any crack of ps3 out yet? so i can download games and save them to hard.. Confused

Um... no? By the way, cracks are a taboo on this forum. Even if there was, would you really want to download 50GB games each and every time? And if you don't upgrade the hard drive, that's like being able to put 1.6 games on your PS3 assuming nothing else is installed on your PS3--which there is... the XMB, Linux, the install files needed to play your games, etc.


I know, that another reason why there is only an 80GB PS3. That way it forces people to not have to much room for cracking their games.

Yeah, but because the PS3 doesn't use proprietary hard drives--like the Xbox 360--you can easily upgrade it to 320GB which would still only allow say... 6 games with plenty of room for the OS, game installs, demos, music, pictures, and movies.
pruch
Got it.
spinout
Cracks... well the used market has come down in prize so the need is not anymore. Or folk beeing cheapskates???
spinout
I read yesterday that UFC 2009 is cooming to PS3 n 360... Looks as good as fight night Shocked
Still I rather go with the PRiderules... UFC is a bit kickless.

ALSO

Fight night 4 is coming also next year....
kanarya
haha i already bought it but with a great refund (0$) becouse my dad works for sony haha.... well even if i had to buy it the normal way i would have done it becouse i have no regrets, its awsome!
enygmasoft
I find it hard to argue with this idea since ps3 got it all right vs a xbox 360. Good times.
ufcoweb
I've never liked PS,
Once I saw an advertisement for it, I couldn't stop laughing,
the add mensioned the performance of the PS3,
if you had calculated it, it was 2000% faster then the fasted server on earth, lol.
QrafTee
ufcoweb wrote:
I've never liked PS,
Once I saw an advertisement for it, I couldn't stop laughing,
the add mensioned the performance of the PS3,
if you had calculated it, it was 2000% faster then the fasted server on earth, lol.

Sony really bombed on its Playstation 3 ads when the console launched. And every console after kept getting worse until finally--in 2008--the ads got a lot better.
enygmasoft
devilisthedj wrote:
I love the console the features and most importantly the concept of playing BluRay discs... Watch it with an HD tv and you'll forget any other disc format...
on

That was certainly the reson to get the PS3, since I am a hardcore move buff. Blueray was a big reason why I got the PS3. 1080P rules on a nice sony 40" LCD. I Certainly fell in love with blue rays visual tour de force.
mattgutmann
i dont liek the play stayion three at all. i think its a piece of rubbish.
i like the Xbox alot more. i mean considering that it breaks alot...
microsoft does repair it for free..
QrafTee
mattgutmann wrote:
i dont liek the play stayion three at all. i think its a piece of rubbish.
i like the Xbox alot more. i mean considering that it breaks alot...
microsoft does repair it for free..

Yeah, we should all applaud Microsoft for repairing a console that shouldn't break in the first place at such a high rate for free.

If you find yourself on a pier and someone runs up and pushes you, but grabs your shirt and pulls you back in you should give the guy a reward for saving your life... right?
bertbosi
ps3 is a very gd machine to play games in hd and when this is done the game becomes more interesting . but i think that all this high prices on stores never can reach their point. most of people cant buy the ps3 for 400$. its costly
enygmasoft
[quote="QrafTee"]
omattgutmann wrote:
i dont liek the play stayion three at all. i think its a piece of rubbish.
i like the Xbox alot more. i mean considering that it breaks alot...
microsoft does repair it edfor free..[/quoted
Yeah, we should all applaud Microsoft for repairing a console that shouldn't break in the first place at such a high rate for free.

If you find yourself on a pier and someone runs up and pushes you, but grabs your shirt and pulls you back in you should give the guy a reward for saving your life... right?


Good point, It wouldn't kill to do quality hardware. I bought the xbox 360 off ebay so I am not sure how much microsoft will care once it breaks since I did not buy it new. Sadly I know better, which is why I went and added a second fan to the already noisy xbox. Having 2 fans will certanly do the Xbox 360 some good, however it sounded like a jet before and now with 2 fans it is now got hurricane force winds going on.
sintetico
PS3 is great!! Try it.
QrafTee
enygmasoft wrote:
Good point, It wouldn't kill to do quality hardware. I bought the xbox 360 off ebay so I am not sure how much microsoft will care once it breaks since I did not buy it new. Sadly I know better, which is why I went and added a second fan to the already noisy xbox. Having 2 fans will certanly do the Xbox 360 some good, however it sounded like a jet before and now with 2 fans it is now got hurricane force winds going on.


If it works for you, then all the better to be truthful. It is a good gaming console minus the poor quality hardware and consideration in design.
spinout
I wonder if mocrosoft repair yoyr ears (for free) after having damaged it via the fan noise?

Go fon the silent ps3
enygmasoft
spinout wrote:
I wonder if mocrosoft repair yoyr ears (for free) after having damaged it via the fan noise?36

Go fon the silent ps3


Well, I did not modify the xbox 360 in any way, the fan goes on the outside of the xboex 360. Its simply like having a room fan next to the system. The fans are the biggest noisemakes in the system, but they do not damage the system due to fan noise, they serve to keep the system temperature cooler, which increases the lifespan of any system. There is no way to have a fan without noise, but the xbox 360's fan is noisier than all other consoles. I certainly do feel hopeful in that good bit of news, but since the xbox 360 still lives, I have no way to verify if I do get the system repaired when it breaks.
speeDemon
I think i'll buy a PS3 when i'm in 11th! i'm in 9th now!!!

ok, its just a joke... i won't really get any consoles for the time being.. though i may get a wii, beacuse of my sister.. she really wants one..
leosthenerd
the wii and the ps3 pwn the xbox 360 no questions asked. it sucks so bad it even makes the work "suck" suck a lot Smile
eday2010
leosthenerd wrote:
the wii and the ps3 pwn the xbox 360 no questions asked. it sucks so bad it even makes the work "suck" suck a lot Smile


Very mature. Trouble is there are a lot of people who disagree with you. But apart from that, instead of worrying about which console is better, why not accept that they each have strengths and that they each have some excellent games? And be more mature at the same time.
enygmasoft
eday2010 wrote:
leosthenerd wrote:
the wii and the ps3 pwn the xbox 360 no questions asked. it sucks so bad it even makes the work "suck" suck a lot Smile


Very mature. Trouble is there are a lot of people who disagree with you. But apart from that, instead of worrying about which console is better, why not accept that they each have strengths and that they each have some excellent games? And be more mature at the same time.


I was smart enough to get the xbox 360 in the last legs of its life span. I got it used so I got a good deal on it. PS3 nicety is great
enygmasoft
eday2010 wrote:
leosthenerd wrote:
the wii and the ps3 pwn the xbox 360 no questions asked. it sucks so bad it even makes the work "suck" suck a lot Smile


Very mature. Trouble is there are a lot of people who disagree with you. But apart from that, instead of worrying about which console is better, why not accept that they each have strengths and that they each have some excellent games? And be more mature at the same time.


I was smart enough to get the xbox 360 in the last legs of its life span. I got it used so I got a good deal on it. PS3 nicety is great
QrafTee
enygmasoft wrote:
eday2010 wrote:
leosthenerd wrote:
the wii and the ps3 pwn the xbox 360 no questions asked. it sucks so bad it even makes the work "suck" suck a lot Smile


Very mature. Trouble is there are a lot of people who disagree with you. But apart from that, instead of worrying about which console is better, why not accept that they each have strengths and that they each have some excellent games? And be more mature at the same time.


I was smart enough to get the xbox 360 in the last legs of its life span. I got it used so I got a good deal on it. PS3 nicety is great

So is your 360 dead? It must've been like a 2-digit deal or else I'd be mad. No deal is worth the product dying soon after.
enygmasoft
QrafTee wrote:
enygmasoft wrote:
eday2010 wrote:
leosthenerd wrote:
the wii and the ps3 pwn the xbox 360 no questions asked. it sucks so bad it even makes the work "suck" suck a lot Smile


Very mature. Trouble is there are a lot of people who disagree with you. But apart from that, instead of worrying about which console is better, why not accept that they each have strengths and that they each have some excellent games? And be more mature at the same time.


I was smart enough to get the xbox 360 in the last legs of its life span. I got it used so I got a good deal on it. PS3 nicety is great

So is your 360 dead? It must've been like a 2-digit deal or else I'd be mad. No deal is worth the product dying soon after.


Well its not really broken. What I meant was that it was towards the end of its xbox 360's life span. Just like the xbox was replaced by the xbox 360. Now you cant deny that Microsoft already has the
xbox 720 in the works, which is what i mean by buying the 360 towards the end of its life span.
spinout
Right now we are playing the new Hulk game on our PS3 - excellent graphix - fast framerate. Yes you can smash everything!!
enygmasoft
spinout wrote:
Right now we are playing the new Hulk game on our PS3 - excellent graphix - fast framerate. Yes you can smash everything!!


I certainly cannot deny the kickass graphics being delivered to my 40 inch lcd from sony ye goodies. However, I remeber trading my home theater upgrade into the xbox 360. I certainly thoughtg it was a bad trade but not so much since I have really gotten into playing command and conquer 3.
zyd666
i solled my ps2
now i have nice sexy ps3 :PPPPPPPPPP
QrafTee
So I've gotten my hands on the Resistance 2 beta... pretty interesting.
enygmasoft
QrafTee wrote:
So I've gotten my hands on the Resistance 2 beta... pretty interesting.


How soon will the demo be available, I wanted to get in early but I found out too late to enroll for the beta.
Ascaris
I bought a ps3 a while back. I think it'll last for a few more years. Microsoft will probably pull the 360 in a short while.

I want to buy one of the following games but I can decide: Resistance 2, Little Big Planet, Motorstom: Pacific Rift, Fifa 08. I've decided on Resistance 2 for now but what do you guys think?
QrafTee
enygmasoft wrote:
QrafTee wrote:
So I've gotten my hands on the Resistance 2 beta... pretty interesting.


How soon will the demo be available, I wanted to get in early but I found out too late to enroll for the beta.

I don't know when the demo will be out, but the beta is fun. I like co-op a lot. Some people are complaining that it takes too many bullets to kill players in competitive mode, but I think it's because the same mechanics used to hurt AI Chimeras are used to hurt players; I'm not sure if it's a good or bad thing, probably bad. However, it works in co-op because it makes the Chimera much harder to kill.
Ghengis
Ascaris wrote:
I bought a ps3 a while back. I think it'll last for a few more years. Microsoft will probably pull the 360 in a short while.

I want to buy one of the following games but I can decide: Resistance 2, Little Big Planet, Motorstom: Pacific Rift, Fifa 08. I've decided on Resistance 2 for now but what do you guys think?



Two things:

What do you mean Microsoft will "pull" the 360? They still have a much bigger install base than the PS3, and they're selling like hotcakes since the price cut.

And the games you listed are pretty much all over the spectrum -- they're totally different from each other. What are you trying to decide based on? I'm not a fan of sports games, so I can't help you with the last 2, but I can tell you that if you like shooting people up online, or are addicted to progression mechanics (I have found myself saying "just one more level" until like 4am sometimes), go for Resistance. If you spend hours on YouTube looking at cool, creative stuff that other people have done, go for LittleBigPlanet -- the user-created content is going to be enormous. I know I *have* to get LBP, if only because it's narrated by Stephen Fry.
MatthijsM90
PS3 in my house ? never! I have an playstation 2 and i`am with it and the games they make at the moment, why should i buy an another playstation if im happy with an other version? Second opinion are the prices for and Playstation 3.... Are they crazy? They need money? I`am not gonna pay so much for the playstation 3. The games, what is special about that games? the graphics are the same as the computer? Computer games are cheaper (always) And i like the games for the computer, most ps3 games can be bought for the computer too.
QrafTee
MatthijsM90 wrote:
PS3 in my house ? never! I have an playstation 2 and i`am with it and the games they make at the moment, why should i buy an another playstation if im happy with an other version? Second opinion are the prices for and Playstation 3.... Are they crazy? They need money? I`am not gonna pay so much for the playstation 3. The games, what is special about that games? the graphics are the same as the computer? Computer games are cheaper (always) And i like the games for the computer, most ps3 games can be bought for the computer too.


... Yeah, definitely. Computer games are usually cheaper, multi-player is always hosted on dedicated servers... but if you're going to complain about the PS3's price... A PC made to play games, let's see:

Processor
RAM
Motherboard
Case
HDD
Optical Drive
PSU
GPU
Cooler
Mouse
Keyboard

We'll omit monitors because a PS3 doesn't come with a TV--but an HDTV does come with a PS3 every once in awhile...

Those parts easily add up to at least two PS3s.
enygmasoft
QrafTee wrote:
MatthijsM90 wrote:
PS3 in my house ? never! I have an playstation 2 and i`am with it and the games they make at the moment, why should i buy an another playstation if im happy with an other version? Second opinion are the prices for and Playstation 3.... Are they crazy? They need money? I`am not gonna pay so much for the playstation 3. The games, what is special about that games? the graphics are the same as the computer? Computer games are cheaper (always) And i like the games for the computer, most ps3 games can be bought for the computer too.


... Yeah, definitely. Computer games are usually cheaper, multi-player is always hosted on dedicated servers... but if you're going to complain about the PS3's price... A PC made to play games, let's see:

Processor
RAM
Motherboard
Case
HDD
Optical Drive
PSU
GPU
Cooler
Mouse
Keyboard
p
We'll omit monitors because a PS3 doesn't come with a TV--but an HDTV does come with a PS3 every once in awhile...

Those parts easily add up to at least two PS3s.


I honestly think the PS3 was a great deal in comparison to simply other blu-ray players, which when the ps3 was released it was 899 while the nearest blu ray competitor was more than $1000. That being the case, I thought it made for a lot of bang for the buck considering you get the video game system as well as the blu ray player. And lets not forget is also a PS 1 and PS2 if you buy the most epensive version for these toys. Also lets not forget the 80 GB Hard Drive, which makes it a bigger band for the buck because its the only blu ray player that you can save stuff too.
Ghengis
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The PS3 does about 5-6 things, and it does them pretty well on average. It's a game player (PS1 - 2 - 3 + downloaded games), streaming media receiver, web browser, Blu-Ray player, DVD upscaler, and even a Linux home-theater box. If you only want one of those (the games, probably, or maybe Blu-Ray), get something cheaper like a 360 (or a standalone player). If you want maybe two, or definitely 3, get a PS3 and it'll serve you right. I'm watching downloaded TV shows on mine right now, and the interface is great -- better than 360 IMHO. Sure it costs more, but that's just the way of things when a product offers more features than its competitors.
QrafTee
Ghengis wrote:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The PS3 does about 5-6 things, and it does them pretty well on average. It's a game player (PS1 - 2 - 3 + downloaded games), streaming media receiver, web browser, Blu-Ray player, DVD upscaler, and even a Linux home-theater box. If you only want one of those (the games, probably, or maybe Blu-Ray), get something cheaper like a 360 (or a standalone player). If you want maybe two, or definitely 3, get a PS3 and it'll serve you right. I'm watching downloaded TV shows on mine right now, and the interface is great -- better than 360 IMHO. Sure it costs more, but that's just the way of things when a product offers more features than its competitors.

It does cost more, but a lot of people seem to forget everything that is optional about the 360 is stock on the PS3--save a headset.

Wifi is stock--the 360 has it as a $99 add-on; Wireless controllers are stock--the 360 had wired controllers at launch; A hard drive is stock--the Arcade and Core model are hard drive-less; HDMI is stock--the 360 launched without HDMI because it wasn't "needed" according to Microsoft; Online play is stock--Microsoft has the galls to charge $50 a year for their peer-to-peer service; BC is stock (even without PS2 BC, it has PS1 BC)--the BC in the 360 was gimped from launch; dependable hardware is stock--the 360 still has issues now, but much much less common.
spinout
Yesterday we had to abandon the PS3 for the PS2 - and It astonishing me - the PS 2 has a stable framerate - why has it taken so long for the PS3 developers to make it stable????

still I think the best game allaround is fight night round 3 -- OK EA has crap for servers but still when it goes OOOHHHH so fun to humiliate someone in the art of boxing - the round 4 is due next year...YES!!!!!

The talk about other consoles ... forget it PS3 is the most silent (talking about the new ones) and thats the end of story. my 360 went out the window... it was too loud,,,
QrafTee
spinout wrote:
Yesterday we had to abandon the PS3 for the PS2 - and It astonishing me - the PS 2 has a stable framerate - why has it taken so long for the PS3 developers to make it stable????

still I think the best game allaround is fight night round 3 -- OK EA has crap for servers but still when it goes OOOHHHH so fun to humiliate someone in the art of boxing - the round 4 is due next year...YES!!!!!

The talk about other consoles ... forget it PS3 is the most silent (talking about the new ones) and thats the end of story. my 360 went out the window... it was too loud,,,

There are rumors--which are hopefully false--that Microsoft's new Xbox Experience may RROD launch consoles... and Xbox Experience will be released outside of the 3-year extended warranty.
spinout
The PS3 - a new system update every second week! That is almost true.
Ok it's making it better but I liked the menycolors better before. A pity it won't effect the framerate Smile

Well there are alot of new games coming now - a hectic christmas
enygmasoft
spinout wrote:
The PS3 - a new system update every second week! That is almost true.
Ok it's making it better but I liked the menycolors better before. A pity it wonionTH't effect the framerate Smile

Well there are alot of new games coming now - a hectic christmas


That is always true, since they do fairly frequent updates to the ps3 os, however I am still waiting for the one that will fix the connectivity issue that happens when I try use wpa as an encryption for the ps3, which is more secure that the WEP encrytion that i am forced to using using a netgear wireless router. The PS3 does detect the connection using wpa, but never connects. However, both the wii and PC connect with no problems, which means the router is setup properly.
QrafTee
enygmasoft wrote:
spinout wrote:
The PS3 - a new system update every second week! That is almost true.
Ok it's making it better but I liked the menycolors better before. A pity it wonionTH't effect the framerate Smile

Well there are alot of new games coming now - a hectic christmas


That is always true, since they do fairly frequent updates to the ps3 os, however I am still waiting for the one that will fix the connectivity issue that happens when I try use wpa as an encryption for the ps3, which is more secure that the WEP encrytion that i am forced to using using a netgear wireless router. The PS3 does detect the connection using wpa, but never connects. However, both the wii and PC connect with no problems, which means the router is setup properly.

Odd, I'm using a WPA/WPA2-hybrid set up on my Netgear Wireless-N router and my PS3, PSP, Wii connects just fine along with two notebook PCs. The only thing that doesn't connect is my NDS Lite, but that's because it doesn't do anything above WEP and I'm not willing to compromise my network security for Nintendo's stubbornness to include WPA security in the Nintendo DS.
sebbe44
So PS3 is out now, so lets sum up?

It rocks! I admit that it kinda sucked with high prices and so in the start, but this Winter!

Theres awesome ps3games EVERYWHERE!

Im droolin here!
enygmasoft
sebbe44 wrote:
So PS3 is out now, so lets sum up?

It rocks! I admit that it kinda sucked with high prices and so in the start, but this Winter!

Theres awesome ps3games EVERYWHERE!

Im droolin here!


I certainly cannot argue, since I got the ps3 last year, I thouhgh it was a good deal at $599. Considering that the nearest blu ray players at the time were 899. but of course I had to get both the sony lcd tv along with the bluray player to do both justice, since I am a massive videophile. Sadly, blu goodness turnes into dvd crap, whenever you use an old school tv, since it does not even come close to displaying all the eyecandy bluray offers, I had save up a long time to get both.
QrafTee
enygmasoft wrote:
sebbe44 wrote:
So PS3 is out now, so lets sum up?

It rocks! I admit that it kinda sucked with high prices and so in the start, but this Winter!

Theres awesome ps3games EVERYWHERE!

Im droolin here!


I certainly cannot argue, since I got the ps3 last year, I thouhgh it was a good deal at $599. Considering that the nearest blu ray players at the time were 899. but of course I had to get both the sony lcd tv along with the bluray player to do both justice, since I am a massive videophile. Sadly, blu goodness turnes into dvd crap, whenever you use an old school tv, since it does not even come close to displaying all the eyecandy bluray offers, I had save up a long time to get both.

A PS3, The Invincible Hulk Blu-ray, and Sony XBR6 32-inch HDTV w/Firefold HDMI cable... beautiful... breathtaking. I can't wait until The Dark Knight is out on Blu-ray.
enygmasoft
QrafTee wrote:
enygmasoft wrote:
sebbe44 wrote:
So PS3 is out now, so lets sum up?

It rocks! I admit that it kinda sucked with high prices and so in the start, but this Winter!

Theres awesome ps3games EVERYWHERE!

Im droolin here!


I certainly cannot argue, since I got the ps3 last year, I thouhgh it was a good deal at $599. Considering that the nearest blu ray players at the time were 899. but of course I had to get both the sony lcd tv along with the bluray player to do both justice, since I am a massive videophile. Sadly, blu goodness turnes into dvd crap, whenever you use an old school tv, since it does not even come close to displaying all the eyecandy bluray offers, I had save up a long time to get both.

A PS3, The Invincible Hulk Blu-ray, and Sony XBR6 32-inch HDTV w/Firefold HDMI cable... beautiful... breathtaking. I can't wait until The Dark Knight is out on Blu-ray.


I certainly did plan on using every single dodad that the ps3 supports, which is amazingly worth so much more than if you broke it up and buyed everthing separately.
spinout
And we got another system update - isn't anybody else get fed up with all the updates????
QrafTee
spinout wrote:
And we got another system update - isn't anybody else get fed up with all the updates????

So... you don't like the latest firmware with new features and such being updated onto the system? You don't have to update if you don't want to.
traxion
QrafTee wrote:
spinout wrote:
And we got another system update - isn't anybody else get fed up with all the updates????

So... you don't like the latest firmware with new features and such being updated onto the system? You don't have to update if you don't want to.


if you want to have acces on PSN, you need to update

the updates are great if you ask me, they have fixed the sound player and the webbrowsers several times with the updates.

im very happy that they do it, else the XMB would be very crap like in the beginning
spinout
I didn't say it was bad updates - they seem to come so often...

And often 2 in a row, to fix the fixes...

To play online it is needed to be logged in... and that u only can du if u got the lastest....
Xaferrow
PS3 Very Happy

nooo interest with that Cool
enygmasoft
Lately they have been getting upgrade crazy, but still no luck for me to use the PS3 with my wireless netgear router using WPA, It still errors out, only letting me connect using craptabulouse WEP. Sadly it's the only toy in my house that has this problem since botht the Wii and PC work great using WPA.
QrafTee
enygmasoft wrote:
Lately they have been getting upgrade crazy, but still no luck for me to use the PS3 with my wireless netgear router using WPA, It still errors out, only letting me connect using craptabulouse WEP. Sadly it's the only toy in my house that has this problem since botht the Wii and PC work great using WPA.

Maybe it's a defect in your PS3. My PS3 is riding on a WPA2 encryption just fine with my Wii, notebook, and desktop.
shiralisandeep
PS 3 is the best gaming console launch by sony... i am dying to get my hands on the system Smile
traxion
shiralisandeep wrote:
PS 3 is the best gaming console launch by sony... i am dying to get my hands on the system Smile


it's only 400 euro with 2 games.. whats holding you?
spinout
I saw the commersials on telly - 160 GB harddrive - and the price was 50$ higher?????
Shouldn't it be the same or cheaper as time goes??+

Anyhow I suppose it worth it - yes the most ergonomic machine .
vivekcentral
I am can get anything I want as long as it is under $600. Should I get a PS3, a small HD TV, a Xbox 360, or a Wii. The Specs for the TV are:

Resolution: 1366 x 768
Aspect ratio: 16:9
Contrast ratio: 1200:1
Brightness: 400 cd/m2
Response time: 8 ms
Viewing angle: 178 x 178
Inputs/Outputs:
HDMI input
S-Video input
2 component video inputs
2 composite video inputs
Coaxial RF input
7 audio inputs
VGA (D-sub) input
Headphone jack

Product Features:

1080i/720p/480i/480p digital compatibility
Built-in digital ATSC tuner
Built-in stereo speakers
Simulated surround sound
Trilingual on-screen display (English, Spanish, French)
Closed captioning
Sleep timer
Remote control
VESA wall-mounting kit size: 200 x 400 (not included)

Thank you for any replies in advance.
QrafTee
vivekcentral wrote:
I am can get anything I want as long as it is under $600. Should I get a PS3, a small HD TV, a Xbox 360, or a Wii. The Specs for the TV are:

Resolution: 1366 x 768
Aspect ratio: 16:9
Contrast ratio: 1200:1
Brightness: 400 cd/m2
Response time: 8 ms
Viewing angle: 178 x 178
Inputs/Outputs:
HDMI input
S-Video input
2 component video inputs
2 composite video inputs
Coaxial RF input
7 audio inputs
VGA (D-sub) input
Headphone jack

Product Features:

1080i/720p/480i/480p digital compatibility
Built-in digital ATSC tuner
Built-in stereo speakers
Simulated surround sound
Trilingual on-screen display (English, Spanish, French)
Closed captioning
Sleep timer
Remote control
VESA wall-mounting kit size: 200 x 400 (not included)

Thank you for any replies in advance.

Looks like you already have an HDTV. I'd pick up a PS3 to make good use of it.
enygmasoft
I went ahead and got an HDMI Sony 40" LCD HDTV with full 1080P resolution, for less than $1000, to do bluray justice, since I have always been an audio and videophile. I refuse to use credit to get any of my toys, which makes it always cheaper. I bought in on ebay, which was a great deal, since I happened to run across my tv at best buy for $2200. I wanted to get the 80GB ps3 new but no one had any Ps3 in stock when I was looking so I ended up getting it on ebay as well for 50 dollars cheaper since it was used, which ended up being $449, when it was $499 new.
jspets
my favourite game is call of duty 5
its amazing!!!
Fifa 09 and
Need For Speed is good to Very Happy Very Happy
Prasad007
No, and you can't change my mind... no one can. I'm a PC gamer all the way! Very Happy
o2o213o2
i just bought one. OMG my money run out
QrafTee
o2o213o2 wrote:
i just bought one. OMG my money run out

Well save up and buy games for it. You will be happy when you have a library of high-quality titles.
enygmasoft
QrafTee wrote:
o2o213o2 wrote:
i just bought one. OMG my money run out

Well save up and buy games for it. You will be happy when you have a library of high-quality titles.


That has always been the reason why I always have bought any gaming systems, Its always for the games.
t0t0m1C
I m If they change the controller
QrafTee
t0t0m1C wrote:
I m If they change the controller

Just buy a third-party one. I don't see Sony redesigning the Dualshock 3 anytime soon.
spinout
I've been playing Shaun White Snowboarding at week now!
It isn't as bad as the common rumour!
It is more of a simulation and it is really quite pleasant to play!

The framerate is not top notch but ok to play!

I rally recomend it!
enygmasoft
Ps3 rules since I was an earlier adopter since I love eye candy.
Kelcey
I have a ps3 but I'm waiting for the exclusives to drop in price. I'm waiting for Uncharted to become a greatest hits and Valkyria Chronicles to drop to 40 or so. Other than that, I buy the multiplatform games on my 360 just because more of my friends have 360s (I don't enjoy paying to play online) and multiplatform games on 360 are typically slightly better.
enygmasoft
I am so happy to say that I have always bought a gaming syste However, the Wii proved me wrong because graphics suck a$$ and yet all the games i get I can't put down.
lavitran
very good PS3
Jamatu
I bought mine a while back and glad i shelled out to be honest. Blu-ray is just amazing, brings that extra but of 'oompf' to a film.
enygmasoft
Jamatu wrote:
I bought mine a while back and glad i shelled out to be honest. Blu-ray is just amazing, brings that extra but of 'oompf' to a film.


To be honest I feel the same way, I wanted to wait until the media war ended before buyn ing the bluray, which was not surprising the bluray won the HD media wars since it alot more room for eye candy in relation to HD-DVD, which had a much smaller Bitrate capacity lowering the video quality. I had always known that bluray would win the media wars because of its way bigger media capacity.
enygmasoft
QrafTee wrote:
enygmasoft wrote:
sebbe44 wrote:
So PS3 is out now, so lets sum up?

It rocks! I admit that it kinda sucked with high prices and so in the start, but this Winter!

Theres awesome ps3games EVERYWHERE!

Im droolin here!


I certainly cannot argue, since I got the ps3 last year, I thouhgh it was a good deal at $599. Considering that the nearest blu ray players at the time were 899. but of course I had to get both the sony lcd tv along with the bluray player to do both justice, since I am a massive videophile. Sadly, blu goodness turnes into dvd crap, whenever you use an old school tv, since it does not even come close to displaying all the eyecandy bluray offers, I had save up a long time to get both.

A PS3, The Invincible Hulk Blu-ray, and Sony XBR6 32-inch HDTV w/Firefold HDMI cable... beautiful... breathtaking. I can't wait until The Dark Knight is out on Blu-ray.
smarticles
qbawler311 wrote:
PS3 will be outputting an HD signal which will look sweet on my new HDTV (JVC 52' LCD HLA-ILA). I will almost pay anything for it. I would sacrifice both pinky toes... well one pinky toe. I have to save the other pinky to for Jennifer Love Hewitt, i think she is gonna want one of my pinky toes in order for me to be able to sleep with her.



Gee I wonder what your gonna be doing with that pinky toe. That is a good use for it since it is the most useless part on the human body. Now I know why we this appendage, to put into jenny love hewitt. good time. Jenny love hewitt blu-ray moves on the hd ps3 doodad.
smarticles
qbawler311 wrote:
PS3 will be outputting an HD signal which will look sweet on my new HDTV (JVC 52' LCD HLA-ILA). I will almost pay anything for it. I would sacrifice both pinky toes... well one pinky toe. I have to save the other pinky to for Jennifer Love Hewitt, i think she is gonna want one of my pinky toes in order for me to be able to sleep with her.



Gee I wonder what your gonna be doing with that pinky toe. That is a good use for it since it is the most useless part on the human body. Now I know why we this appendage, to put into jenny love hewett. good time.
QrafTee
smarticles wrote:
qbawler311 wrote:
PS3 will be outputting an HD signal which will look sweet on my new HDTV (JVC 52' LCD HLA-ILA). I will almost pay anything for it. I would sacrifice both pinky toes... well one pinky toe. I have to save the other pinky to for Jennifer Love Hewitt, i think she is gonna want one of my pinky toes in order for me to be able to sleep with her.



Gee I wonder what your gonna be doing with that pinky toe. That is a good use for it since it is the most useless part on the human body. Now I know why we this appendage, to put into jenny love hewett. good time.

Isn't the most useless part the appendix? I mean it doesn't do anything, and it can kill us if it bursts. You don't hear of bursting pinky toes.
eday2010
enygmasoft wrote:
I am so happy to say that I have always bought a gaming syste However, the Wii proved me wrong because graphics suck a$$ and yet all the games i get I can't put down.


That just proves that graphics are not as important as you think they are. Just because the Wii graphics aren't as good as the PS3 and 360, does not mean they suck. If they do, then the graphics on the PS2 and every other console before suck as well. But I never hear anyone saying that.

Sure, grat graphics can make a good game better. But that game was already good to begin with. Excellent graphics won't ever make a bad game great.
Zaimati
Do someone have a detailed instruction how o connect PS3 on PC (internet)?
Thanks.
enygmasoft
Zaimati wrote:
Do someone have a detailed instruction how o connect PS3 on PC (internet)?
Thanks.


Check the online instructions included with the ps3. Turn it on and find ot.
enygmasoft
eday2010 wrote:
enygmasoft wrote:
I am so happy to say that I have always bought a gaming syste However, the Wii proved me wrong because graphics suck a$$ and yet all the games i get I can't put down.


That just proves that graphics are not as important as you think they are. Just because the Wii graphics aren't as good as the PS3 and 360, does not mean they suck. If they do, then the graphics on the PS2 and every other console before suck as well. But I never hear anyone saying that.

Sure, grat graphics can make a good game better. But that game was already good to begin with. Excellent graphics won't ever make a bad gae me great.


Eye candy is something I will enjoy and for whats its worth, with the economy eating away at my potential for upgrades ever since the last time I checked it was cheaper to fix things than upgrade So forever shall I stay a blueray guy. Things could be worst I could have bought my big screen back when vcr used to be HD, which is far worst. The first all digital eye candy doodad that hdmi is. and lets forget it does all the old school toys too. whatchamagigs DVD and CD something I used to collect. To be honest I have never owned somethi.ng long enough to have it break. i did not have to.

I certainly am happy with my toys
spinout
I got the new or fairly new mortal combat vs dc comics game.
The game has great framerate in the game. It is based on the unreal - engine. But when seeing the story between the duels well the framerate goes down to 30 - still not unworthy but not so fun.
still ingame framerate is excellent!!!

So did it be the best fighting game??? well it is OK - and you have to learn each caracters moves before entering the online games - yes everybody knows them by heart.... If u dont then u loose!

The finish scenes has got milder... But the blood is OK! And the heroes seem to get messed up too. And wow what women there are - like vixens all of them and fighting like valkyrias... hm - wonderwoman is as tall as it can be... BUTBUT BUT BUT they seem to have fake boobs all of them...1?!??!??!? why - boobs aint ballooons !!! Looks silly.

If u like fighting games this is a nice buy!
QrafTee
spinout wrote:
I got the new or fairly new mortal combat vs dc comics game.
The game has great framerate in the game. It is based on the unreal - engine. But when seeing the story between the duels well the framerate goes down to 30 - still not unworthy but not so fun.
still ingame framerate is excellent!!!

So did it be the best fighting game??? well it is OK - and you have to learn each caracters moves before entering the online games - yes everybody knows them by heart.... If u dont then u loose!

The finish scenes has got milder... But the blood is OK! And the heroes seem to get messed up too. And wow what women there are - like vixens all of them and fighting like valkyrias... hm - wonderwoman is as tall as it can be... BUTBUT BUT BUT they seem to have fake boobs all of them...1?!??!??!? why - boobs aint ballooons !!! Looks silly.

If u like fighting games this is a nice buy!

Speaking of Valkyries... Valkyria Chronicles is $29.99 at Gamestop: http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=4058 with free shipping coupon: SAVER

I bought this game at full price... so anyone picking this title up is going to be picking up a great game at an incredible price... I should learn to wait until the prices go down. The one gripe I have about it is the lack of post content from it including trophy support.
DANTHEMAN69
I think the PS3 is the best look whats it got Blue-Ray, play free online, exclusive games are the best i mean look a Killzone 2
QrafTee
DANTHEMAN69 wrote:
I think the PS3 is the best look whats it got Blue-Ray, play free online, exclusive games are the best i mean look a Killzone 2

It's definitely a great console, but it has a lot working against it and working for its competitors. I'm still happy I kept my Playstation 3 instead of my Xbox 360 Pro--which I sold to my friend.
bmatthews
I will always consider the PS3 a better choice and I can say that because I had the Xbox 360 and sold it out of frustration that I couldn't play games of the might of Killzone, Uncharted, God of War and last but no the least Gran Turisimoooo!

and lets not forget... MGS, MAG and PES Option files! Smile
enygmasoft
bmatthews wrote:
I will always consider the PS3 a better choice and I can say that because I had the Xbox 360 and sold it out of frustration that I couldn't play games of the might of Killzone, Uncharted, God of War and last but no the least Gran Turisimoooo!

and lets not forget... MGS, MAG and PES Option files! Smile


That very true, my only complain about my xbox is the hurricane force winds required to keep that system cool, because the fan built in sucks. I have never used that system without its intercooler always on. My brother borrowed for the weeked and forgot to actually used the fan that I gave hime and I came back to find the rings of death with a bsoken xbox, this was the first system that has ever broken on me and to make matters worst the dvd player is badly designed so much so that you cant even sneeze in the general direction of the the xbox unless you want to swirly your video games, making permanent circular scratch marks on the back anything you stupidly decided to put into the dvd player, like i dont know a perfectly working xbox



sonic rules
themarine
am a coder. And being a coder I can certainly tell you that the software has to follow the development of the hardware.
In other words, You can write some killer software, but can the hardware handle it? What happens with new technology is that the hardware is created first. You dont really know what the code is going to be capable of until you have the hardware to interact with it. It's hard to explain. Think of it as an OLD Commodore I16 trying to run Windows XP. Better yet, think about trying to write the code for WinXP using an I16. It's impossible. Therefore XP wasn't able to be designed until well after computers that could handle it were put together.

Same theory applies here. Have you even noticed the specs for the PS3? Do you even know what Blu-Ray technology is? The PS3 will be the first to have it. For those of you that don't know, Blu-Ray disc technology uses a blue-violet laser instead of a red one. Know what that means? It uses a smaller wavelength. So while cd's can hold 750Mb of data and a DVD can store just under 4.5GB, a Blu-Ray disc can hold a whopping 25 Gigs. Think of all those games that had to have 4 discs like the last FF. Thats still only about half the data that a Blu-Ray disc can hold. Imagine the possibilities there.
QrafTee
themarine wrote:
am a coder. And being a coder I can certainly tell you that the software has to follow the development of the hardware.
In other words, You can write some killer software, but can the hardware handle it? What happens with new technology is that the hardware is created first. You dont really know what the code is going to be capable of until you have the hardware to interact with it. It's hard to explain. Think of it as an OLD Commodore I16 trying to run Windows XP. Better yet, think about trying to write the code for WinXP using an I16. It's impossible. Therefore XP wasn't able to be designed until well after computers that could handle it were put together.

Same theory applies here. Have you even noticed the specs for the PS3? Do you even know what Blu-Ray technology is? The PS3 will be the first to have it. For those of you that don't know, Blu-Ray disc technology uses a blue-violet laser instead of a red one. Know what that means? It uses a smaller wavelength. So while cd's can hold 750Mb of data and a DVD can store just under 4.5GB, a Blu-Ray disc can hold a whopping 25 Gigs. Think of all those games that had to have 4 discs like the last FF. Thats still only about half the data that a Blu-Ray disc can hold. Imagine the possibilities there.

Unfortunately the nature of people and the cost of development hinders the possibilities of Blu-ray. One good thing about Blu-ray that is unlikely to be used is the amount of content you can contain. The issue comes when you think of why do more work to earn the same pay because that's apparent... no one would intentionally. Also, multiplatform games constrict the quality of the game to the lowest denominator which isn't the PS3 or the PC, but either the Xbox 360 or the Wii (but the Wii usually has their own development altogether). So that's why most games just use uncompressed audio, video, and texture files to utilize the space. Even at that, people don't utilize all of the available space and the developers are forced to put redundant data against the remaining empty space to speed up the read/seek times.
enygmasoft
QrafTee wrote:
themarine wrote:
am a coder. And being a coder I can certainly tell you that the software has to follow the development of the hardware.
In other words, You can write some killer software, but can the hardware handle it? What happens with new technology is that the hardware is created first. You dont really know what the code is going to be capable of until you have the hardware to interact with it. It's hard to explain. Think of it as an OLD Commodore I16 trying to run Windows XP. Better yet, think about trying to write the code for WinXP using an I16. It's impossible. Therefore XP wasn't able to be designed until well after computers that could handle it were put together.

Same theory applies here. Have you even noticed the specs for the PS3? Do you even know what Blu-Ray technology is? The PS3 will be the first to have it. For those of you that don't know, Blu-Ray disc technology uses a blue-violet laser instead of a red one. Know what that means? It uses a smaller wavelength. So while cd's can hold 750Mb of data and a DVD can store just under 4.5GB, a Blu-Ray disc can hold a whopping 25 Gigs. Think of all those games that had to have 4 discs like the last FF. Thats still only about half the data that a Blu-Ray disc can hold. Imagine the possibilities there.

Unfortunately the nature of people and the cost of development hinders the possibilities of Blu-ray. One good thing about Blu-ray that is unlikely to be used is the amount of content you can contain. The issue comes when you think of why do more work to earn the same pay because that's apparent... no one would intentionally. Also, multiplatform games constrict the quality of the game to the lowest denominator which isn't the PS3 or the PC, but either the Xbox 360 or the Wii (but the Wii usually has their own development altogether). So that's why most games just use uncompressed audio, video, and texture files to utilize the space. Even at that, people don't utilize all of the available space and the developers are forced to put redundant data against the remaining empty space to spet ed up the read/seek times.


Also lets not forget that publishing houses own the real capacity of the devices because DVD can get away with 10GB, while blu-ray's hold 50GB, when you buy legal copies of movies that what you get.
That is very true but the ps3 is the first platform to have a hard drive built into the machine, which installs every game you put on it, which certainly makes read/seek times faster, which forces the mother of all bottlenecks onto the hard drive unit which makes it all faster, but will never keep up with RAM.
My7h
PS3 is awesome, i have both an XBox 360 and a PS3 and i kind of like the PS better hehehe
spinout
I tested my second "unreal technology" game on the ps3 this weekend. My first was mortal combat and now the older one called bioshock...

It has the same flaws - the camera is looking around it gets a bit unstable - but when the camera is quite fixed it runs smoothlly. unreal tech is not good enough for the PS3 YET!!!

Codemasters is the best builders right now I think???
QrafTee
spinout wrote:
I tested my second "unreal technology" game on the ps3 this weekend. My first was mortal combat and now the older one called bioshock...

It has the same flaws - the camera is looking around it gets a bit unstable - but when the camera is quite fixed it runs smoothlly. unreal tech is not good enough for the PS3 YET!!!

Codemasters is the best builders right now I think???

The Unreal 3 Engine is abysmal on the Playstation 3 and I don't have faith in a Playstation 3 game running that engine. I rather wait for the Unreal 4 Engine. I mean The Last Remnant--a Square Enix game running the Unreal 3 Engine--has still been delayed on the Playstation 3 while the PC version is out. I'm beginning to believe Square Enix can't make it work to their standards and it will ultimately become a canceled Playstation 3 title.
enygmasoft
eday2010 wrote:
enygmasoft wrote:
I am so happy to say that I have always bought a gaming syste However, the Wii proved me wrong because graphics suck a$$ and yet all the games i get I can't put down.


That just proves that graphics are not as important as you think they are. Just because the Wii graphics aren't as good as the PS3 and 360, does not mean they suck. If they do, then the graphics on the PS2 and every other console before suck as well. But I never hear anyone saying that.

Sure, grat graphics can make a good game better. But that game was already good to begin with. Excellent graphics won't ever make a bad game great.


Well I can't argue with statement because it always been true, great games are always great regardless of the eye candy, but honestly I can't deny that have always been partial to both. for example StarCraft was cutting edge the day it came out for both reasons excellent graphics and amazing gameplay. Eye candy degrades over time, however I still play Starcraft today because I love StarCraft's amazing gameplay, which has not ever changed since the first time I played it.
blk3
I'm planning on buying PS3 sometime in July. I like the PS3 for its exclusive games, and some games that just looks good on the PS3. And also for the free online gameplay.
traxion
blk3 wrote:
I'm planning on buying PS3 sometime in July. I like the PS3 for its exclusive games, and some games that just looks good on the PS3. And also for the free online gameplay.


you are maybe lucky..

i think that the ps3 price will be lowert at the E3 this week
sciencegto
I will buy Ps3 today and hope that my decision is correct. This is my first console though. Lol.
LostOverThere
traxion wrote:
blk3 wrote:
I'm planning on buying PS3 sometime in July. I like the PS3 for its exclusive games, and some games that just looks good on the PS3. And also for the free online gameplay.


you are maybe lucky..

i think that the ps3 price will be lowert at the E3 this week

I really hope so, but I'm not quite sure what Sony can do about it. Despite lower production costs, they're still losing money each console sold.
enygmasoft
LostOverThere wrote:
traxion wrote:
blk3 wrote:
I'm planning on buying PS3 sometime in July. I like the PS3 for its exclusive games, and some games that just looks good on the PS3. And also for the free online gameplay.


you are maybe lucky..

i think that the ps3 price will be lowert at the E3 this week

I really hope so, but I'm not quite sure what Sony can do about it. Despite lower production costs, they're still losing money each console sold.


That is amazingly common practice in the gaming industry. When I got my PS3 over a year ago, I paid $599. The PS3 is a blu-ray player in addition to playing games and also pretty much doubling as a computer. At the time sony bluray players were $399, which means that production cost for my ps3 was roughtly $1000 worth of hardware. every gaming system has always done this
QrafTee
The rumor mill turns... there have been hints that Sony will introduce the PSP Go and the PS3 Slim at E3. Shhh
enygmasoft
So what are we doing with the whole HDMI dillema that eye candy goodies. Now nothing beats bluray players in terms of eye candy goodiness. The PS3 is a big reason why I moved to bluray, it always had the best hd experience of any next gen system. But sadly a big chunk of the PS3 games do not support 1080P, they only use 720P. Now that being said I own all 2 nextgen systems, and while the xbox 360 does support the whole 1080P experience if you have the HDMI f or the Xbox hardware. Those of us who do our homework know the Xbox 360 takes becomes to laggy to even support the old school 1080i, which what I have at home, I have an older system and I have a Sony LCD which use HDMI which is compatible with 1080p and every other TV input available. Now the Xbox's problem is its hardware can only generate 1 TFLOPS, which can barely support 1080i, some games are amazingly jerky in performance using this high settings. Tuning this system down tos 720p fixes jerkyness issues. Now 1080i supports 30 frames per second only. While HDMI uses 1080p ver 1.3, which supports 60 frames per second the interface is faster and digital. The xbox can barely support 1080i, so why spend the money for a faster HDMI hardware if the whole xbox 360 is a bottleneck for the HDMI hardware. that is a useless upgrade. By the way, the HDMI adapter for the Microsoft Xbox 360, which comes with the HDMI cable and the adapter for the xbox cost $99. So I saved money on this update, I einded up getting gears of war instead.

Now the PS3 the whole hardware is designed with 1080p in mind, since the PS3 supports HDMI 1.3, which supports 60 FPS, which what my tv supports. Additionally since the Ps3 also doubles as a bluray player, as well being nice enough to support almost 2TFLOPS.
eday2010
enygmasoft wrote:
So what are we doing with the whole HDMI dillema that eye candy goodies. Now nothing beats bluray players in terms of eye candy goodiness. The PS3 is a big reason why I moved to bluray, it always had the best hd experience of any next gen system. But sadly a big chunk of the PS3 games do not support 1080P, they only use 720P. Now that being said I own all 2 nextgen systems, and while the xbox 360 does support the whole 1080P experience if you have the HDMI f or the Xbox hardware. Those of us who do our homework know the Xbox 360 takes becomes to laggy to even support the old school 1080i, which what I have at home, I have an older system and I have a Sony LCD which use HDMI which is compatible with 1080p and every other TV input available. Now the Xbox's problem is its hardware can only generate 1 TFLOPS, which can barely support 1080i, some games are amazingly jerky in performance using this high settings. Tuning this system down tos 720p fixes jerkyness issues. Now 1080i supports 30 frames per second only. While HDMI uses 1080p ver 1.3, which supports 60 frames per second the interface is faster and digital. The xbox can barely support 1080i, so why spend the money for a faster HDMI hardware if the whole xbox 360 is a bottleneck for the HDMI hardware. that is a useless upgrade. By the way, the HDMI adapter for the Microsoft Xbox 360, which comes with the HDMI cable and the adapter for the xbox cost $99. So I saved money on this update, I einded up getting gears of war instead.

Now the PS3 the whole hardware is designed with 1080p in mind, since the PS3 supports HDMI 1.3, which supports 60 FPS, which what my tv supports. Additionally since the Ps3 also doubles as a bluray player, as well being nice enough to support almost 2TFLOPS.


Hate to burst your little bubble, but there are three "next-gen" consoles. Just because the Wii doesn't put out 1080p, does not mean it's not "next-gen". Regardless of what you think, it is a seventh generation console, as are the PS3, and 360, whether you like it or not. So you only really own two of the three "next-gen" consoles.

Speaking of which, you actually don't own any next-gen consoles because the next generation of consoles aren't even out yet. None of the three companies have said they are working on a successor to their current console, nor has anything leaked. You own two of the three current generation consoles. Stop referring to them as "next-gen"; they aren't because they are here now, and they are the most current generation of consoles available. Calling them next-gen is so 2006. As soon as they were released they were no longer next-gen.

P.S. Do yourself a favour and buy your HDMI cables from monoprice.com. That way you get a good quality cable without getting financially raped for overpriced cables at the stores.
LostOverThere
QrafTee wrote:
The rumor mill turns... there have been hints that Sony will introduce the PSP Go and the PS3 Slim at E3. Shhh

So we saw the PSP Go! at E3.

The fact we didn't hear any real news on a Slim PS3 or a price cut is a little disheartening. But still, their line up was very impressive. Although I can't remember the exact numbers, while Nintendo showed 21 games (1st and 3rd parties), Microsoft showed 28, Sony showed both these numbers combined in terms of games. Sorry I don't have source. I wouldn't be surprised if you all thought I was a little dodgy because of this. Wink
enygmasoft
eday2010 wrote:
enygmasoft wrote:
So what are we doing with the whole HDMI dillema that eye candy goodies. Now nothing beats bluray players in terms of eye candy goodiness. The PS3 is a big reason why I moved to bluray, it always had the best hd experience of any next gen system. But sadly a big chunk of the PS3 games do not support 1080P, they only use 720P. Now that being said I own all 2 nextgen systems, and while the xbox 360 does support the whole 1080P experience if you have the HDMI f or the Xbox hardware. Those of us who do our homework know the Xbox 360 takes becomes to laggy to even support the old school 1080i, which what I have at home, I have an older system and I have a Sony LCD which use HDMI which is compatible with 1080p and every other TV input available. Now the Xbox's problem is its hardware can only generate 1 TFLOPS, which can barely support 1080i, some games are amazingly jerky in performance using this high settings. Tuning this system down tos 720p fixes jerkyness issues. Now 1080i supports 30 frames per second only. While HDMI uses 1080p ver 1.3, which supports 60 frames per second the interface is faster and digital. The xbox can barely support 1080i, so why spend the money for a faster HDMI hardware if the whole xbox 360 is a bottleneck for the HDMI hardware. that is a useless upgrade. By the way, the HDMI adapter for the Microsoft Xbox 360, which comes with the HDMI cable and the adapter for the xbox cost $99. So I saved money on this update, I einded up getting gears of war instead.

Now the PS3 the whole hardware is designed with 1080p in mind, since the PS3 supports HDMI 1.3, which supports 60 FPS, which what my tv supports. Additionally since the Ps3 also doubles as a bluray player, as well being nice enough to support almost 2TFLOPS.


Hate to burst your little bubble, but there are three "next-gen" consoles. Just because the Wii doesn't put out 1080p, does not mean it's not "next-gen". Regardless of what you think, it is es fora seventh generation console, as are the PS3, and 360, whether you like it or not. So you only really own two of the three "next-gen" consoles.

Speaking of which, you actually don't own any next-gen consoles because the next generation of consoles aren't even out yet. None of the three companies have said they are working on a successor to their current console, nor has anything leaked. You own two of the three current generation consoles. Stop referring to them as "next-gen"; they aren't because they are here now, and they are the most current generation of consoles available. Calling them next-gen is so 2006. As soon as they were released they were no longer next-gen.les

P.S. Do yourself a favour and buy your HDMI cables from monoprice.com. That way you get a good quality cable without getting financially raped for overpriced cables at the stores.


Actually you do make a valid point, how can these be next gen systems if they already out. I al t you got the system from. My PS3 came that HDMI cable already in the box, but if I buy it cost $60. My cable box has cheap cables for everything, since my for my cable box that cable was not even $5, and not surprisingly there is no difference between both. Since it is digital it does matter what cable you use because the hardware acts differently. There is no signal to noise ratio and that is reason why we used to love monster cables, which always gold platted. Older analog technology does have this problem which means that the cable was responsible for what went thru it so it loosses data. The cheaper cables were typecally much lower signal to noise ratios than our monster gold platting buddies. copper is usually in cheaper cables while gold passes electricity much better. with more signal to noise ratio

Also let not forget that I am talking and HDMI adapter for the xbox since mine came out before the HDMI cable came built in.
traxion
LostOverThere wrote:
QrafTee wrote:
The rumor mill turns... there have been hints that Sony will introduce the PSP Go and the PS3 Slim at E3. Shhh

So we saw the PSP Go! at E3.

The fact we didn't hear any real news on a Slim PS3 or a price cut is a little disheartening. But still, their line up was very impressive. Although I can't remember the exact numbers, while Nintendo showed 21 games (1st and 3rd parties), Microsoft showed 28, Sony showed both these numbers combined in terms of games. Sorry I don't have source. I wouldn't be surprised if you all thought I was a little dodgy because of this. Wink


the problem with the ps3 is that sony still makes a lost on every console there is sold. The hardware is till more value then the real price

the wii of nintendo is ps2 hardware ( in a white box) and cheap
the 360 hardware is better, but microsoft can sell it cheaper because everybody has a xbox live abbo so microsoft will collect money from that.

i' have a ps3 and have 0.0% pain from the buy, the ps3 is a power full machine which can play for min 5 year. 400 / 5 = 80 euro a year, wow that is expancive Razz
(1 game is 60 euro )

the real price of youre console is'nt the hardware it's about the games you buy for it
enygmasoft
traxion wrote:
LostOverThere wrote:
QrafTee wrote:
The rumor mill turns... there have been hints that Sony will introduce the PSP Go and the PS3 Slim at E3. Shhh

So we saw the PSP Go! at E3.

The fact we didn't hear any real news on a Slim PS3 or a price cut is a little disheartening. But still, their line up was very impressive. Although I can't remember the exact numbers, while Nintendo showed 21 games (1st and 3rd parties), Microsoft showed 28, Sony showed both these numbers combined in terms of games. Sorry I don't have source. I wouldn't be surprised if you all thought I was a little dodgy because of this. Wink


the problem with the ps3 is that sony still makes a lost on every console there is sold. The hardware is till more value then the real price

the wii of nintendo is ps2 hardware ( in a white box) and cheap
the 360 hardware is better, but microsoft can sell it cheaper because everybody has a xbox live abbo so microsoft will collect money from that.

i' have a ps3 and have 0.0% pain from the buy, the ps3 is a power full machine which can play for min 5 year. 400 / 5 = 80 euro a year, wow that is expancive Razz
(1 game is 60 euro )

the real price of youre console is'nt the hardware it's about the games you buy for it


Amazingly enough the ps3 is the best dvd with hdmi goodiness, Howevever it took us year to realize theri full potential becuase just l
Ccsteph22
SilverDogg wrote:
playstation have never been interesting to me, and the ps3 is no different. maybe in a few years if i find it interesting, otherwise, no.

id rather get myself a xbox360 than this.

Yes there is a huge difference between the ps1 w/ ps2 then comes the ps3, the ps3 has the OS just like the PSP, its just mor advanced and upgraded...
The PS3 has HD, Built IN Blu-Ray, Music, MOVIES (hd, blu), Videos, Awesome Games, PlayStation Network (free), Friends, Playstation Home, Playstation Store, Live With Playstation, 60 and 80 GB have compatibility with the psone and the ps2.... AND THE WHOLE THING IS ABOUT CUSTOMIZABLE! Laughing Cool

There is a ton more but yeh.... I just said most of the features! Very Happy
catscratches
Ccsteph22 wrote:
Awesome Games
To me, that's where it fails. It's got fl0wer, but apart from that (and The Last Guardian, which isn't out yet) there's really nothing.
enygmasoft
catscratches wrote:
Ccsteph22 wrote:
Awesome Games
To me, that's where it fails. It's got fl0wer, but apart from that (and The Last Guardian, which isn't out yet) there's really nothing.


It certianly is amazingly good times playing those games.
QrafTee
catscratches wrote:
Ccsteph22 wrote:
Awesome Games
To me, that's where it fails. It's got fl0wer, but apart from that (and The Last Guardian, which isn't out yet) there's really nothing.

You're confusing "awesome games" with "new and unique games." There are plenty of Playstation 3 titles that are "awesome." Most of the exclusive titles are pretty top notch games.

traxion wrote:
LostOverThere wrote:
QrafTee wrote:
The rumor mill turns... there have been hints that Sony will introduce the PSP Go and the PS3 Slim at E3. Shhh

So we saw the PSP Go! at E3.

The fact we didn't hear any real news on a Slim PS3 or a price cut is a little disheartening. But still, their line up was very impressive. Although I can't remember the exact numbers, while Nintendo showed 21 games (1st and 3rd parties), Microsoft showed 28, Sony showed both these numbers combined in terms of games. Sorry I don't have source. I wouldn't be surprised if you all thought I was a little dodgy because of this. Wink


the problem with the ps3 is that sony still makes a lost on every console there is sold. The hardware is till more value then the real price

the wii of nintendo is ps2 hardware ( in a white box) and cheap
the 360 hardware is better, but microsoft can sell it cheaper because everybody has a xbox live abbo so microsoft will collect money from that.

i' have a ps3 and have 0.0% pain from the buy, the ps3 is a power full machine which can play for min 5 year. 400 / 5 = 80 euro a year, wow that is expancive Razz
(1 game is 60 euro )

the real price of youre console is'nt the hardware it's about the games you buy for it

Well on the bright side, a Slim PS3 would mean cheaper manufacturing for Sony. Using the latest manufacturing process, the hardware in the PS3 would be faster and easier to produce causing the prices to lower. The only problem is that Sony may use this to cut even more costs by stripping even more functions of the PS3 away.

However, a patent has recently been filed by Sony regarding technology that allows the Cell processor to emulate the Emotion Engine chip so maybe Sony is planning on restoring a function back on the PS3--PS2 backwards compatibility--but there has been no indication of Sony trying to do anything similar to emulate the graphical chip in the PS2.
spinout
right now I play fight night round 4 on the ps3 - it really has 60 fps!!!
traxion
spinout wrote:
right now I play fight night round 4 on the ps3 - it really has 60 fps!!!


60 fps check
hdtv check
ps3 check

indeed the ps3 is the better console Very Happy
LostOverThere
traxion wrote:
60 fps check
hdtv check
ps3 check

indeed the ps3 is the better console Very Happy

None of those things really make the console any better. Granted, a game will be slightly nicer if it runs at a higher FPS but it won't make the game any more entertaining whatsoever.
8166UY
No, but it does give you a damn powerful machine for the amount of money that it costs. Wink
enygmasoft
[quote="Ccsteph22"]
SilverDogg wrote:
playstation have never been interesting to me, and the ps3 is no different. maybe in a few years if i find it interesting, otherwise, no.

id rather get myself a xbox360 than this.


That is because you don't feel ripped off for spending $199 on it yet. I own both the xbox 360 and ps3 I have never been a big fan of Microsoft because of all bs there less than stellar unit design. I have been a video game owner since Nintendo heyday and I have never owned a more problematic unit. It has already broken down once and it was less than a year old when that happened. This is due to ignorance by my brother, who decided to use it without the Intercooler, which I bought the same day I got the Xbox 360. Now the intercooler is not free and is a requirement if you plan on using the unit ever. All my brother did was use the unit like Microsoft designed it to run, because the intercooler is not built in to the Xbox. Now all he did was use the unit for the weekend and when I got it back it was a brick. Now amazingly enough I no longer have any problems since If i loan out the unit it stays with the intercooler anywhere the unit goes. plug them all together.
ads that are avialable for us the stupid people who support Microsoft when you buy one of these heartaches. Tell them what else they have won. For starters the DVD read head sticks way too much So I always afraid of using the DVD player, for. movies or games or anything else, this is all due to the fact that DVD player will swirlify DVD. This all happened to me 2 times on the same game "Gears of war" Fortunately I bought them at game stop and they took upon themselves to replace the game for me. Now I went to Microsoft looking for a replacement only to find out that not every game that is scratched is replacable by them since there was a list. Additionally, they are only liable for $19.99, that is if your game is on the list. Now how much are new xbox games like $59.99. and we all know how great DVD will work with deep circular scratches. I hardly ever use the unit because Im afraid it will scratch rentals because we all know how expensive those are. Now this is the reason why I dont buy xbox games if there are ps3 versions of them as well I will buy those, since they cost the same anyway.
chiragpatnaik
QrafTee wrote:


However, a patent has recently been filed by Sony regarding technology that allows the Cell processor to emulate the Emotion Engine chip so maybe Sony is planning on restoring a function back on the PS3--PS2 backwards compatibility--but there has been no indication of Sony trying to do anything similar to emulate the graphical chip in the PS2.


drat. just when I got one... oh well. c'est la vie...

on the bright side, I don't own ps2 games anymore. but they are cheaper than ps3 games.
Fanghai44
absolutely not
it's way overpriced
it's online sucks
and its games aren't very fun
LostOverThere
Fanghai44 wrote:
absolutely not
it's way overpriced
it's online sucks
and its games aren't very fun

C'mon, the console has some great titles. Metal Gear Solid 4? GTAIV? Little Big Planet? There's tons of great games for it. And seriously compare the online to Nintendo's and you'll realise it doesn't infact suck.
QrafTee
Fanghai44 wrote:
absolutely not
it's way overpriced
it's online sucks
and its games aren't very fun

Sounds like you don't have a PS3.
enygmasoft
QrafTee wrote:
Fanghai44 wrote:
absolutely not
it's way overpriced
it's online sucks
and its games aren't very fun

Sounds like you don't have a PS3.


Well do you own both so that you feel like an idiot for buying the piece shiiii$$$t that is the xbox. U have both and have way to many problems with the xbox and it scratching DVD's. That means anytime I use it it can make big swirly marks on anything you put into the device
eday2010
Fanghai44 wrote:
absolutely not
it's way overpriced
it's online sucks
and its games aren't very fun


Overpriced, definitely. The rest, I don't know since I don't own a PS3 yet (because of the price)

enygmasoft wrote:

Well do you own both so that you feel like an idiot for buying the piece shiiii$$$t that is the xbox. U have both and have way to many problems with the xbox and it scratching DVD's. That means anytime I use it it can make big swirly marks on anything you put into the device


My 360 has never scratched a disc, nor any disc of anyone else I know who has one. I've been lucky as to not have had any problems yet with it.
enygmasoft
eday2010 wrote:
Fanghai44 wrote:
absolutely not
it's way overpriced
it's online sucks
and its games aren't very fun


Overpriced, definitely. The rest, I don't know since I don't own a PS3 yet (because of the price)

enygmasoft wrote:

Well do you own both so that you feel like an idiot for buying the piece shiiii$$$t that is the xbox. U have both and have way to many problems with the xbox and it scratching DVD's. That means anytime I use it it can make big swirly marks on anything you put into the device


My 360 has never scratched a disc, nor any disc of anyone else I know who has one. I've been lucky as to not have had any problems yet with it.


That is surprising to hear because I am not the only one, since gamestop informed me that they are having less problems with the xbox on its side.
QrafTee
eday2010 wrote:
My 360 has never scratched a disc, nor any disc of anyone else I know who has one. I've been lucky as to not have had any problems yet with it.

Lucky for you, my friends have had some issues with disc scratching and--in the past--RROD. They don't really care about RROD anymore because it doesn't happen as often, but they really get irritated when their GoW2 or NG2 ends up with a half circle scratch. Still, they insist on keeping their 360s upright!
eday2010
QrafTee wrote:
eday2010 wrote:
My 360 has never scratched a disc, nor any disc of anyone else I know who has one. I've been lucky as to not have had any problems yet with it.

Lucky for you, my friends have had some issues with disc scratching and--in the past--RROD. They don't really care about RROD anymore because it doesn't happen as often, but they really get irritated when their GoW2 or NG2 ends up with a half circle scratch. Still, they insist on keeping their 360s upright!


I used to have mine upright because I prefer how it looks. Once I moved it to the living room I had to lie it down.

Actually, when I first got my 360 and had it standing up, when I would stop playing a game, the disc would bounce around in the tray because the spindle in the drive was pulling away too soon. No scratches, but annoying. I exchanged it, and this one worked properly standing up. This one have pretty much been problem free since I got it.


so who is going to be getting the new PS3 Slim when it debuts September 1st?
QrafTee
eday2010 wrote:
so who is going to be getting the new PS3 Slim when it debuts September 1st?

No me, I already have a PS3. I'm glad they reduced the price. Yay, more gamers on PSN now.
eday2010
QrafTee wrote:
eday2010 wrote:
so who is going to be getting the new PS3 Slim when it debuts September 1st?

No me, I already have a PS3. I'm glad they reduced the price. Yay, more gamers on PSN now.


I'll be getting one at some point. I was waiting for a lower price. and since they are putting out the ugly slim, I'll go for that model. Because while ugly, if it runs cooler and is smaller than the original mosel, it's a-okay with me.
sougame
hhhh ps3 or x360
hhh i love ps3
... psn ... home ... store ... graphique & speed
pll
I am a PS3 Owner and I was always gaming on playstation systems since the first one!

I Can't wait to see if the PS3 Slim line will be able to do all the things a normal ps3 can do 'cause right now my ps3 is almost overheating when I play Call Of Duty IV.

If the ps3 SLIM is smaller, it means there is less space to let all this heat go away from the machine...


I can't wait to see !
QrafTee
pll wrote:
I am a PS3 Owner and I was always gaming on playstation systems since the first one!

I Can't wait to see if the PS3 Slim line will be able to do all the things a normal ps3 can do 'cause right now my ps3 is almost overheating when I play Call Of Duty IV.

If the ps3 SLIM is smaller, it means there is less space to let all this heat go away from the machine...


I can't wait to see !

I haven't ever had my PS3 overheat. Be sure to keep it in an open area for the heat to leave. As for the space, the slimmer design does give less leeway for heat to dissipate, but the smaller 45nm Cell processor produces less heat and uses only 2/3 the power the original 64nm Cell processor uses. There really isn't a reason to get the PS3 Slim unless you just have to have the glossy finish of the original.
eday2010
pll wrote:
I am a PS3 Owner and I was always gaming on playstation systems since the first one!

I Can't wait to see if the PS3 Slim line will be able to do all the things a normal ps3 can do 'cause right now my ps3 is almost overheating when I play Call Of Duty IV.

If the ps3 SLIM is smaller, it means there is less space to let all this heat go away from the machine...


I can't wait to see !


Yes, it will have all the features of the current fat model.
QrafTee
eday2010 wrote:
pll wrote:
I am a PS3 Owner and I was always gaming on playstation systems since the first one!

I Can't wait to see if the PS3 Slim line will be able to do all the things a normal ps3 can do 'cause right now my ps3 is almost overheating when I play Call Of Duty IV.

If the ps3 SLIM is smaller, it means there is less space to let all this heat go away from the machine...


I can't wait to see !


Yes, it will have all the features of the current fat model.

All features, but one: the ability to installed another operating system.
enygmasoft
QrafTee wrote:
eday2010 wrote:
so who is going to be getting the new PS3 Slim when it debuts September 1st?

No me, I already have a PS3. I'm glad they reduced the price. Yay, more gamers on PSN now.



Good times will be had by all the people who use ps3 along with all the very good games that areavailable for both
spinout
is the new slim version fan free????
if so its a must buy! Not that the oldone is noicy but still
QrafTee
spinout wrote:
is the new slim version fan free????
if so its a must buy! Not that the oldone is noicy but still

Fan-free = Overheated POS.

So no, it is not fan-free.

On another note, neither is the 360, Wii, Desktop, Notebook, or any piece of home electronics that matters. Power > Heat > Fans (or liquid cooling).
pscompanies
The PS3 will be the first to have Blu-Ray. Blu-Ray disc technology uses a blue-violet laser instead of a red one. It uses a smaller wavelength. So while CDs can hold 750Mb of data and a DVD can store just under 4.5GB, a Blu-Ray disc can hold a whopping 25GB. Think of all those games that had to have 4 discs like the last FF. That's still only about half the data that a Blu-Ray disc can hold. Imagine the possibilities there!
QrafTee
pscompanies wrote:
The PS3 will be the first to have Blu-Ray. Blu-Ray disc technology uses a blue-violet laser instead of a red one. It uses a smaller wavelength. So while CDs can hold 750Mb of data and a DVD can store just under 4.5GB, a Blu-Ray disc can hold a whopping 25GB. Think of all those games that had to have 4 discs like the last FF. That's still only about half the data that a Blu-Ray disc can hold. Imagine the possibilities there!

... That's random as hell. And it can hold 50GB at the moment--though they're shooting for 100GB I believe. So it can easily hold Final Fantasy I-X without any problems.
enygmasoft
[quote="QrafTee"]
pscompanies wrote:
The PS3 will be the first to have Blu-Ray. Blu-Ray disc technology uses a blue-violet laser instead of a red one. It uses a smaller wavelength. So while CDs can hold 750Mb of data and a DVD can store just under 4.5GB, a Blu-Ray disc can hold a whopping 25GB. Think of all those games that had to have 4 discs like the last FF. That's still only about half the data that a Blu-Ray disc can hold. Imagine the possibilities there!

... That's random as hell. And it can hold 50GB at the moment--though they're shooting for 100GB I believe. So it can easily hold Final Fantasy I-X without any problems.[/quote

Well yes they they could
enygmasoft
[quote="enygmasoft"][quote="QrafTee"]
pscompanies wrote:
The PS3 will be the first to have Blu-Ray. Blu-Ray disc technology uses a blue-violet laser instead of a red one. It uses a smaller wavelength. So while CDs can hold 750Mb of data and a DVD can store just under 4.5GB, a Blu-Ray disc can hold a whopping 25GB. Think of all those games that had to have 4 discs like the last FF. That's still only about half the data that a Blu-Ray disc can hold. Imagine the possibilities there!

... That's random as hell. And it can hold 50GB at the moment--though they're shooting for 100GB I believe. So it can easily hold Final Fantasy I-X without any problems.[/quote

Well yes they they could[/quote


This is all sad but true since companies alwasy get the better deal for Media usage
spinout
Any having fan-trouble (too loud) with the slimversion?

I heard of some cases but the slim version is to be more silent than the fat version (and powersaving).
QrafTee
spinout wrote:
Any having fan-trouble (too loud) with the slimversion?

I heard of some cases but the slim version is to be more silent than the fat version (and powersaving).
No, I haven't heard of any fan noise issues with the Slim. I would have like to say I know for sure, but I don't own a Slim model.
enygmasoft
[quote="QrafTee"]
spinout wrote:
Any having fan-trouble (too loud) with the slimversion?

I heard of some cases but the slim version is to be more silent than the fat version (and powersaving).
No, I haven't heard of any fan noise issues with the Slim. I would have like to say I know for sure, but I don't own a Slim model.[/quote}

Well to be honest I will nevever udate to the latest version simply for a face lift, and sadly i HAVE A FARILY sizalnle amount of games for the ps2 that I plan on passign.
dalton
Well, 360 is better than PS3 in my opinion, I wasted my money Embarassed
QrafTee
dalton wrote:
Well, 360 is better than PS3 in my opinion, I wasted my money Embarassed
Just do what I did with my 360; sell it.
eday2010
My parents gave me their old PS3 because they wanted to buy a slim. I had wanted to get a slim, but I won't argue with free. On top of that, it's a launch model, so it has all the media card slots, the full backwards compatibility, the whole nine yeards. But it's loud as hell. It sounds like a turbine in my living room. If the opportunity arises, I will probably sell it for a fair amount of money and get a slim. I will never use those media card slots nor the backwards compatibility.

So far I have only been playing LittleBigPlanet, as it's my only game, but I just picked up Uncharted 2 today. So eventually I will get around to playing that as well.
QrafTee
eday2010 wrote:
My parents gave me their old PS3 because they wanted to buy a slim. I had wanted to get a slim, but I won't argue with free. On top of that, it's a launch model, so it has all the media card slots, the full backwards compatibility, the whole nine yeards. But it's loud as hell. It sounds like a turbine in my living room. If the opportunity arises, I will probably sell it for a fair amount of money and get a slim. I will never use those media card slots nor the backwards compatibility.

So far I have only been playing LittleBigPlanet, as it's my only game, but I just picked up Uncharted 2 today. So eventually I will get around to playing that as well.
Most of the time loud fans are associated with a build up of dust in the fans. If you have compressed air, you might want to clean it. Otherwise you might meet the infamous YLOD before you get a chance to sell it.
augustocmv
Ps3 Rocks;s , because , it have more games , more graphics , and more apps.
eday2010
QrafTee wrote:
Most of the time loud fans are associated with a build up of dust in the fans. If you have compressed air, you might want to clean it. Otherwise you might meet the infamous YLOD before you get a chance to sell it.


I took our vacuum to the outside of the PS3 the other day, and it seems to be quieter now. I might try to take a can of compressed air to it as well. If I get the YLOD, I hope it is before July. The system is still under store warranty until then, so if it dies, it won't be so bad as I'll get a Slim replacement. I am not sure I want to go through the trouble of selling. I only have it for a couple of games, though if I come across someone who wants a backwards compatible PS3, I won't say no.
spinout
No augustocmv... it does not have more games, nor more graphix and especially not better framerate and apps... nope not that either...!!!!

It rocks because it is SILENT!!!! (in most cases)
QrafTee
spinout wrote:
No augustocmv... it does not have more games, nor more graphix and especially not better framerate and apps... nope not that either...!!!!

It rocks because it is SILENT!!!! (in most cases)
I'd like to think the PS3 has more high quality exclusives... graphics are on par with the 360 (better or worse in some cases) and both blows the Wii out of the water, generally lower frame rates with older multi-platform titles compared to the 360. As for apps, I don't know what that really means, but if it means features I'd have to semi-agree with it depending on which PS3 you own since Other OS alone lets you install anything that can run on Linux (which doesn't require the GPU), otherwise on par with the 360. It is more silent than the Xbox 360 when operating, but some people don't mind the Xbox 360's noise levels anyway.
eday2010
My PS3 hasn't been turned on in over a month. I don't know why, but the system just doesn't do anything for me, nor do most of the games. The only thing making me keep it is LittleBigPlanet and the fact that Mod Nation Racers is coming out.
QrafTee
eday2010 wrote:
My PS3 hasn't been turned on in over a month. I don't know why, but the system just doesn't do anything for me, nor do most of the games. The only thing making me keep it is LittleBigPlanet and the fact that Mod Nation Racers is coming out.
Well here is a reason to turn it on, Sony is giving away Flow for free via PSN from now until the end of tomorrow--Eastern Time.
LostOverThere
Quote:
Well here is a reason to turn it on, Sony is giving away Flow for free via PSN from now until the end of tomorrow--Eastern Time.

Is this worldwide? Because that is indeed awesome, awesome news.
eday2010
Meh. Not worth turning it on for an interactive screensaver.
mobbile997uk
add me my psn is mobbile997uk
mobbile997uk
im not from uk
mobbile997uk
lol
mobbile997uk
any one buying bbc2 ?
mobbile997uk
or PvsA ?
enygmasoft
Good times will be had by all ps3 owners. The advancing technology for gaming consoles is now coming at us much slower than it has in the past . Now this is a great time for a much more equatable approach that is found on the movie circuit, which have a shelf life of 10 years. Now this is a great pace for consoles to keep up with since nintendo started to set a 5 year shelf life for its gaming consoles , since the Nintendo and the Super Nintendo had this very same gap.Now to be honest this was much easier since way back then I did not have deep enough pockets Support all 3 consoles like today. but Now I have enough Now this is more due to ebay lower price ponit.
eday2010
If Mod Nations Racers fails to impress, I am considering not keeping the PS3. LittleBigPlanet is fun, but it's not really worth keeping a console for one game. I also have Uncharted 2, but haven't played it yet. It will be good, but not worth keeping a console for. I don't know why, but I do not like that console. There is just something about it. It's been two months since I turned it on. I'll get around to turning it on again soon since I want to finish LBP and play through Uncharted 2
QrafTee
eday2010 wrote:
If Mod Nations Racers fails to impress, I am considering not keeping the PS3. LittleBigPlanet is fun, but it's not really worth keeping a console for one game. I also have Uncharted 2, but haven't played it yet. It will be good, but not worth keeping a console for. I don't know why, but I do not like that console. There is just something about it. It's been two months since I turned it on. I'll get around to turning it on again soon since I want to finish LBP and play through Uncharted 2
That's a shame... bye.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear that the new update will free 70MB of RAM from the 120MB is used to use. Now the developers can allocate that extra RAM for the games, sweet.
spinout
Got streetfighter 4 yesterday - and the framerate seemed exellent!!
I hope it is good enough
enygmasoft
[quote="Dorsk82"]I think that with the PS3 Sony may be heading towards a real mistake. They have already admitted it is going to be expensive but I actually read somewhere that when asked about its price being prohibitive for kids and families, they stated that they didn't really care if those markets couldn't afford it. I have the money for a PS3 in spades and I am not a kid but videogames should be made accessible to all ages not just targeted at loser adults like myself!! Not only that but I think it is a real mistake to ignore the younger market as well as that of families because most really truly hardcore adult gamers are apt to just play PC games anyways!! Just my two cents... Wink[/quote
bensrevenge
i love my ps3 slin anyone is ok to add me my psn is bensrevenge its so quiet i cant hear it i can play all of my blu ray movies on it free wireless free online better graphics then the xbox 360 what more do you want xbox fans oh and about the price

ps3 slim price 250 pounds
xbox 360 elite 200 pounds+wireless adapter 50 pounds =250 pounds
=
ps3 is more cheaper then the xbox 360 for online already
eday2010
The wireless adapter is not mandatory.
LostOverThere
Quote:

ps3 slim price 250 pounds
xbox 360 elite 200 pounds+wireless adapter 50 pounds =250 pounds

By that argument, the PS3 in turn would be more expensive due to the higher priced controllers.

Of course, this is completely subjective and you can twist this 'logic' to suit your preferences. Thus making it wholly pointless.
QrafTee
LostOverThere wrote:
Quote:

ps3 slim price 250 pounds
xbox 360 elite 200 pounds+wireless adapter 50 pounds =250 pounds

By that argument, the PS3 in turn would be more expensive due to the higher priced controllers.

Of course, this is completely subjective and you can twist this 'logic' to suit your preferences. Thus making it wholly pointless.
PS3 Slim = ~$300
PS3 Dualshock 3 = ~$55
PS3 Dualshock 3 x 2 = ~$110
PS3 Dualshock 3 x 3 = ~$165
PS3 Dualshock 3 x 4 = ~$220.

Xbox 360 Elite (~$300) + Wireless Adapter ($80-$100) + 1-Year of XBL ($50) = ~$430-$450
360 Controller (~$50) + Play & Charge Kit ($20) = ~$70
360 Controller x 2 (~$100) + Quick Charge Kit ($30) = ~$130
360 Controller x 3 (~$150) + Quick Charge Kit ($30) + Battery Pak ($12) = ~$192
360 Controller x 4 (~$200) + Quick Charge Kit ($30) + Battery Pak x 2 (~$24) = ~$254

It seems fairly obvious to me.
spinout
It seems like the old phat 40GB is the best version. Less energy and good components.

Got the ultimate alliance game yestersday and it had an OK framerate, not the best but ok for a buy.
QrafTee
spinout wrote:
It seems like the old phat 40GB is the best version. Less energy and good components.

Got the ultimate alliance game yestersday and it had an OK framerate, not the best but ok for a buy.
Less energy?
eday2010
QrafTee wrote:
PS3 Slim = ~$300
PS3 Dualshock 3 = ~$55
PS3 Dualshock 3 x 2 = ~$110
PS3 Dualshock 3 x 3 = ~$165
PS3 Dualshock 3 x 4 = ~$220.

Xbox 360 Elite (~$300) + Wireless Adapter ($80-$100) + 1-Year of XBL ($50) = ~$430-$450
360 Controller (~$50) + Play & Charge Kit ($20) = ~$70
360 Controller x 2 (~$100) + Quick Charge Kit ($30) = ~$130
360 Controller x 3 (~$150) + Quick Charge Kit ($30) + Battery Pak ($12) = ~$192
360 Controller x 4 (~$200) + Quick Charge Kit ($30) + Battery Pak x 2 (~$24) = ~$254

It seems fairly obvious to me.


Seems fairly obvious that you are including things that are not necessary. Like a Live membership, wireless adapter, and charging kits.

$50 for an extra 360 controller plus $5 for a couple of batteries. $8 for rechargables. So $3 extra. Whoopee.
QrafTee
eday2010 wrote:
Seems fairly obvious that you are including things that are not necessary. Like a Live membership, wireless adapter, and charging kits.

$50 for an extra 360 controller plus $5 for a couple of batteries. $8 for rechargables. So $3 extra. Whoopee.
See, that's the funny thing. The LIVE membership IS required.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt with the batteries. So with normal gaming normal batteries get worn about once a month. That's $2.50 x 12 per controller so around $30. And rechargeables... $8.00, I'll give you that too (although good ones are more like $10.00 when not on sale), but when you forgot the charger so around $10 for a cheap charger (or $40 for a good one that won't bust your rechargeable batteries faster than the cops can bust Lil Wayne on a busy day). Yeah, you still lose.

And I wouldn't necessarily say the wi-fi adapter is "not necessary." For example, my entire network is wireless so for me it is definitely necessary.

LIVE isn't necessary... Haha... now that's just picking and choosing things to make the Xbox 360 seem cheaper--and it's not.
LostOverThere
Quote:
LIVE isn't necessary... Haha... now that's just picking and choosing things to make the Xbox 360 seem cheaper--and it's not.

Again, highly subjective. I have a couple of friends who don't have live for their 360s. To each to his own. You can twist this price "logic" however you like.
todabeat
got one
Diablosblizz
Quote:
And I wouldn't necessarily say the wi-fi adapter is "not necessary." For example, my entire network is wireless so for me it is definitely necessary.


If you're whole entire network is wireless then you should have used a laptop to connect your xBox, much cheaper that way.
eday2010
QrafTee wrote:
See, that's the funny thing. The LIVE membership IS required.


How is a Gold member ship on Live necessary? Is your 360 non-functional without one? No. Does not having one prevent you from downloading games, demos, and videos? no. Gold is NOT necessary unless you want to play online. And not everyone wants to play online.

But the bottom line is that a Gold membership is not necessary to play your 360. What is necessary is what comes in the box (and a game if one is not included). Everything else is an optional accessory.
QrafTee
eday2010 wrote:
QrafTee wrote:
See, that's the funny thing. The LIVE membership IS required.
How is a Gold member ship on Live necessary? Is your 360 non-functional without one? No. Does not having one prevent you from downloading games, demos, and videos? no. Gold is NOT necessary unless you want to play online. And not everyone wants to play online.

But the bottom line is that a Gold membership is not necessary to play your 360. What is necessary is what comes in the box (and a game if one is not included). Everything else is an optional accessory.
Sorry, but you're required to have Gold to have full access to your game. And I believe that to really experience the entire game, one would have to have full access to their game. Thus, Gold membership is required for most of us.
Diablosblizz
No, gold is NOT required for anything other than multiplayer. If you like playing by yourself then you don't need Gold, as it would be pretty pointless. However, for those that like online play it is something to look into. Even then, it's NOT required for anything.

By the way people, this is the PS3 topic. Should move this over to the 360 topic.
agustin
yeah I guess. some day.
spinout
what did that latest updrage of the system do?
I get so confused. any significant functions?
QrafTee
spinout wrote:
what did that latest updrage of the system do?
I get so confused. any significant functions?
It removed the OtherOS feature from the older PS3 consoles.
LostOverThere
Quote:
It removed the OtherOS feature from the older PS3 consoles.

It's a shame about that, as it was a nifty feature. But you've really got to wonder how many people used it in comparison to the anger it caused across the tubes. Rolling Eyes
QrafTee
LostOverThere wrote:
Quote:
It removed the OtherOS feature from the older PS3 consoles.

It's a shame about that, as it was a nifty feature. But you've really got to wonder how many people used it in comparison to the anger it caused across the tubes. Rolling Eyes
I did use it. I haven't gotten it to work 100% (wifi issues), but emulation is fun.
spinout
I just got Tekken 6. yes, very fast graphix! Good framerate!

I also got the expansion for gta 4 and I thought I run a little bit smoother!
SMiL3
I think that with the PS3 Sony may be heading towards a real mistake. They have already admitted it is going to be expensive but I actually read somewhere that when asked about its price being prohibitive for kids and families, they stated that they didn't really care if those markets couldn't afford it. I have the money for a PS3 in spades and I am not a kid but videogames should be made accessible to all ages not just targeted at loser adults like myself!! Not only that but I think it is a real mistake to ignore the younger market as well as that of families because most really truly hardcore adult gamers are apt to just play PC games anyways!! Just my four nickels Laughing
QrafTee
SMiL3 wrote:
I think that with the PS3 Sony may be heading towards a real mistake. They have already admitted it is going to be expensive but I actually read somewhere that when asked about its price being prohibitive for kids and families, they stated that they didn't really care if those markets couldn't afford it. I have the money for a PS3 in spades and I am not a kid but videogames should be made accessible to all ages not just targeted at loser adults like myself!! Not only that but I think it is a real mistake to ignore the younger market as well as that of families because most really truly hardcore adult gamers are apt to just play PC games anyways!! Just my four nickels Laughing
You know the price of the PS3 has dropped considerably since its launch, right?
digitalhaze
QrafTee wrote:
SMiL3 wrote:
I think that with the PS3 Sony may be heading towards a real mistake. They have already admitted it is going to be expensive but I actually read somewhere that when asked about its price being prohibitive for kids and families, they stated that they didn't really care if those markets couldn't afford it. I have the money for a PS3 in spades and I am not a kid but videogames should be made accessible to all ages not just targeted at loser adults like myself!! Not only that but I think it is a real mistake to ignore the younger market as well as that of families because most really truly hardcore adult gamers are apt to just play PC games anyways!! Just my four nickels Laughing
You know the price of the PS3 has dropped considerably since its launch, right?


I just recently got a PS3 Slim. $299 + tax. I didn't get any games as a bundle with it, and that is where Xbox succeeds. When I bought my Xbox, BestBuy gave me Fable II, Forza 3, Halo 3: ODST, The Stranglehold and PGR3.
QrafTee
digitalhaze wrote:
I just recently got a PS3 Slim. $299 + tax. I didn't get any games as a bundle with it, and that is where Xbox succeeds. When I bought my Xbox, BestBuy gave me Fable II, Forza 3, Halo 3: ODST, The Stranglehold and PGR3.
Best Buy gave you those games? Well then it's Best Buy who should give you games for the PS3.
Starrfoxx
I already have one, and I love my machine. I have the 60gb "fat" model, so that I can still enjoy my PS2 games. The only ones I can't play are the original Guitar Hero games, because the controllers only work on the PS2. PS3 guitars don't work with it, and there aren't any converters that work either sadly.
ghostfam
ps3 is awesome having wifi i have noticed if you stream movies its better to have it wired thou
lucoquinha
eu amo play2
dazzsser
I am going to get a PS3 this christmas!!
mukesh
i cant vote on Play Station games i have no knowledge about it.
i can vote only on PC Games.
itkhm
do the one play junk.
ham65
PS3 Best games
Xbox 360 = PS3
Wii best for play with Friends.
rudrabarbosa
Ill definitely try to get it. I have money saved for her. Hopefully it will be as good as the PS1 and PS2. Xbox 360 I do not find it much since I already have the original Xbox.
QrafTee
dazzsser wrote:
I am going to get a PS3 this christmas!!
Dude, nice. Be sure to pick up Infamous, Uncharted, Uncharted 2, LittleBigPlanet 2, and a few PSN cards so you can buy Scott Pilgrim, Fat Princess, Castle Crashers, and any classics that catch your eye. An pick up at least 1 extra controller and an HDMI cable (if you have an HDTV--don't buy it at big box retailers who charge a 500-2000% markup on those).
LostOverThere
dazzsser wrote:
I am going to get a PS3 this christmas!!

Don't forget Metal Gear Solid 4!
chiragpatnaik
Anyone has a view on AC: Brotherhood? Buy now or wait for it to hit Platinum?
ralf
I got a PS3 for Christmas get

Sorry for my bad englisch
QrafTee
chiragpatnaik wrote:
Anyone has a view on AC: Brotherhood? Buy now or wait for it to hit Platinum?
I don't know personally. My friends and I wanted to pick it up before it came out, but didn't have the desire to after it got released. If the last two games say anything, it's that you're not missing out on anything waiting for it to become a Platinum Hit.
mugundhan
madsencarl wrote:
Well, it's soon on its way. Will you be getting the console that will could possibly flush down the Xbox 360?

no way
ProwerBot
My mom won a Playstation 3 move bundle from My Coke Rewards about a month ago. I expect it to be here in early april. It comes with a Playstation 3, The eye thing, playstation move controllers, a microphone, a singing/dancing game, and a dualshock controller. I'm excited about it and I'll post a small review about it in here once we get it.
foumy6
Im having difficulties deciding whether to go with a ps3 or and xbox i cant decide i need help!
LostOverThere
foumy6 wrote:
Im having difficulties deciding whether to go with a ps3 or and xbox i cant decide i need help!

What type of games do you like? Is there any series you're particularly interested in?
QrafTee
LostOverThere wrote:
foumy6 wrote:
Im having difficulties deciding whether to go with a ps3 or and xbox i cant decide i need help!

What type of games do you like? Is there any series you're particularly interested in?
Also are you going to be playing online? Are you willing to pay to play online?
eday2010
foumy6 wrote:
Im having difficulties deciding whether to go with a ps3 or and xbox i cant decide i need help!


The big factor that had me get an Xbox 360 was Xbox Live Arcade. It seems to have a more robust catalog of games with some excellent exclusive downloadable games. A lot of the Indie games are great too. If you are interested in those kinds of games, that is something to consider. As is whether you want to do more than just the traditional gaming: does the Move interest you more than Kinect, or vice versa?

The PS3 will give you a Blu-ray player built in, and seems to have a few more console exclusive retail games. It all comes down to which games you want to play more.
ProwerBot
Well, I got the entire system. The playstation move controllers, the two microphones, the eyetoy, and the singing game. Everything. I am personally in love with the playstation 3, it is a lot better than the xbox 360 which I had previously, but I traded it with my brother for a flatscreen monitor (which, he stole from me in the first place.. yeah what a trade eh?). So I made the classy switch from microsoft to sony and so far it's been doing me good! So far in terms of games, I got SingStar (which is the dancing/singing game thingy), Army of Two which was like $20, and Grand Theft Auto 4 which was like ten dollars. Feel free to add my PSN thingy it's newman3gs.
QrafTee
ProwerBot wrote:
Well, I got the entire system. The playstation move controllers, the two microphones, the eyetoy, and the singing game. Everything. I am personally in love with the playstation 3, it is a lot better than the xbox 360 which I had previously, but I traded it with my brother for a flatscreen monitor (which, he stole from me in the first place.. yeah what a trade eh?). So I made the classy switch from microsoft to sony and so far it's been doing me good! So far in terms of games, I got SingStar (which is the dancing/singing game thingy), Army of Two which was like $20, and Grand Theft Auto 4 which was like ten dollars. Feel free to add my PSN thingy it's newman3gs.
Well the good thing about the Playstation 3 is that you get the total package when you purchase games. I just don't feel it is right that you can purchase a game at full value and some of the features are locked away from you (the owner of the game) until you "choose" to pay Microsoft a subscription fee.
ProwerBot
QrafTee wrote:
ProwerBot wrote:
Well, I got the entire system. The playstation move controllers, the two microphones, the eyetoy, and the singing game. Everything. I am personally in love with the playstation 3, it is a lot better than the xbox 360 which I had previously, but I traded it with my brother for a flatscreen monitor (which, he stole from me in the first place.. yeah what a trade eh?). So I made the classy switch from microsoft to sony and so far it's been doing me good! So far in terms of games, I got SingStar (which is the dancing/singing game thingy), Army of Two which was like $20, and Grand Theft Auto 4 which was like ten dollars. Feel free to add my PSN thingy it's newman3gs.
Well the good thing about the Playstation 3 is that you get the total package when you purchase games. I just don't feel it is right that you can purchase a game at full value and some of the features are locked away from you (the owner of the game) until you "choose" to pay Microsoft a subscription fee.

Ugh tell me about it. Xbox live might be better at something (yet, i have yet to find out just what that is...), but really when you think about it, isn't everything better when it's free?
tech
Nope, i have been waiting for PS3 to come out so I can finally buy PS2 for a price thats worth it
GoldenEagle
I love my PS3. I think adding Netflix to the system as a software package not requiring a Blu-Ray was a huge continuation of what makes PS3 the best system out there right now.

I still haven't played a Blu-Ray disc in it (I've never actually played a Blu-Ray before), bit I definitely have to do that at some point!
QrafTee
GoldenEagle wrote:
I love my PS3. I think adding Netflix to the system as a software package not requiring a Blu-Ray was a huge continuation of what makes PS3 the best system out there right now.

I still haven't played a Blu-Ray disc in it (I've never actually played a Blu-Ray before), bit I definitely have to do that at some point!
It really looks sweet when you have an HDTV, a big one. But if your HDTV is small, you may notice is just a bit crisper, but it wouldn't look as nice if you watch the same movie on a larger screen.

If you're thinking of using some sort of analog cable to transmit the signal... just don't. It's time to upgrade.

So... what do you guys think of PS Vita? Me personally, yawn...
erahost
The PlayStation 3, officially abbreviated as PS3 is the third home video game console produced by Sony Computer Entertainment and the successor to the PlayStation 2 as part of the PlayStation series. The PlayStation 3 competes with Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Nintendo's Wii as part of the seventh generation of video game consoles. It was first released on November 11, 2006 in Japan, with international markets following shortly thereafter.
Major features of the console include its unified online gaming service, the PlayStation Network. its robust multimedia capabilities, connectivity with the PlayStation Portable, and its use of the Blu-ray Disc as its primary storage medium.
rayxzero
I not playing my PS3 lately cause some of my favorite titles still doesn't come to PS3.
Known
Well yeah some titles wont come to the PS3 yet depending on if they are only on specific consoles only (such as MotorStorm for the PS3 is ONLY for and on the PS3). Hopefully most games will be shared between all of the consoles, which they pretty much are right now. Smile
aoisubs
Play games ps3 pc by using emulator, I'm not a fan of consoles.
sentimentvcf
Yo tengo la PS3 desde que salió, luego de bajar el precio un poco.
Radar
There is a PS3 in my house, but it's largely gathering dust. It's there, it works, it's a great console, but no one here is that way inclined.
Cosmoslayer
I own one and I have almost every top fighting game there is! Very Happy
Iceaxe0410
I still have my old 60gb original fat ps3. It's pretty much the only console I play at the moment. Well...honestly its more of a technical issue. My xbox360 broke about half a year ago and I haven't had enough money to get another one. It's stuck with a 1/3 red ring which is pretty much the equivalent of a red ring of death. Only way I can get it to work is by overheating it to cause an error to override the original error. It plays fine for a little bit, but after I turn it off and go again, it's the same process over and over.

Honestly, the xbox360 plays a lot of games more smoothly than the ps3 which is why I prefer it over the ps3. Still, the ps3 is still good enough for me. I've found that the graphics are usually a step lower than the xbox games just because they don't support 1080p. Since I play on a large television screen, the resolution differences are quite noticeable.

The drawback of xbox is you have to pay for online play. That's not too much of a problem if I'm playing a game like elderscrolls that are single player. Still, games I enjoy like Castlevania HD require money to be able to play. The ps3 has the xbox beat on that since it's free.

Overall, I'm still happy with the ps3. It's lasted me much longer than any of the xbox360 consoles I've had. It may not have the best quality and gameplay, but it makes up for it with durability. If my ps3 breaks, I always have the wii, n64, gc, nes, ps2, ps, gb, saturn, psp, and snes to fall back on.
ilmkidunya1
Hello everyone i wanna buy SP 3 but some 1 told me that its graphics are not high as we compare to Xbox 360 . know i am little confuse about that pls give me idea what is the best for me
Iceaxe0410
Well, in general the majority of ps3 games are displayed only up to 720p resolution compared to the xbox which typically has games able to be displayed in 1080p.

Now, this doesn't quite matter if you have a small television screen. You won't notice much in the way of graphics if this is the case. If you have a very large screen maybe around 32" and above, the resolution difference will be noticeable, but still not by much. The video will be sharper.

If you have a tv smaller than 32", it's likely you won't even notice any difference in resolution. In which case, you should probably look towards other differences:

1. If you plan to play multiplayer online games, you have to pay for service for the xbox where the ps3 is free. In this category, the ps3 wins.

2. The xbox typically gets better support for games on multiplatforms than the ps3. A prime example of this would be any of the Bethesda games for both platforms. Typically, the xbox versions perform much better than the ps3 counterparts.

3. This is mostly personal experience, but the ps3 seems much more durable than the xbox. I've gone through two xbox's that got the red ring of death (technically 1/3 ring on one which is pretty much the same thing since you're unable to play any games unless if you take extreme measures). Both of course may suffer from overheating issues, so to increase longevity, it's wise to have fan coolers and give enough ventilation around the system to keep it cool.

So, in summary, the xbox has better graphics, but you have to pay for online service if you plan to play online games. It also may not last as long as the ps3. It's kind of a toss up for me. In the end, I think it usually comes down to the games that you want to play.

Each of the systems still do have platform only games. ps3 happens to have a few of those that I enjoy, so I typically use the ps3 more (Demon's Souls, Disgaea series). Of course, this isn't really such a big deal lately since most games now appear on both platforms even the ones that were platform specific in previous years.
LostOverThere
Iceaxe0410 wrote:
Well, in general the majority of ps3 games are displayed only up to 720p resolution compared to the xbox which typically has games able to be displayed in 1080p.

Do you have a source for this at all? Everything I've ever read on the issue points to Xbox 360 games predominately running at 720p as well. I'd be happy to be proved wrong, though!

As far as core computing power goes, the Playstation 3 is objectively the more powerful console. However it always depends on how developers utilise that power that will determine how good the games look.

Not trying to put down the Xbox 360. I think it's a great piece of hardware, but the PS3 is definitely the more powerful system as far as pure processing power is concerned.
karatelj
madsencarl wrote:
Well, it's soon on its way. Will you be getting the console that will could possibly flush down the Xbox 360?
off course i do
samanyolu077
Ý love PS3. I would recommend you to play uncharted 3
samanyolu077
Ý love PS3. I would recommend you to play uncharted 3
LostOverThere
Interestingly enough, as time goes on and newer consoles are announced (Wii U, 3DS, PS Vita), the more I want a PS3. Hardware itself does absolutely nothing for me. It's always games that sell me a system, and nearly 6 years later, it's pretty safe to say the PS3 has a great line-up. So yeah, perhaps soon when I get some more time, a PS3 might be in order.

But what to play first, I wonder?
thanhcuong1990
I have not money to buy PS3. But I like this. Yeah. Laughing Laughing
wombatrpgs
LostOverThere wrote:
Interestingly enough, as time goes on and newer consoles are announced (Wii U, 3DS, PS Vita), the more I want a PS3. Hardware itself does absolutely nothing for me. It's always games that sell me a system, and nearly 6 years later, it's pretty safe to say the PS3 has a great line-up. So yeah, perhaps soon when I get some more time, a PS3 might be in order.

But what to play first, I wonder?

Actually I have a PS3 and still only two games for it... odd.
fmrg
hell yeah - PS4 turn now Very Happy 2013 Smile
Cosmoslayer
fmrg wrote:
hell yeah - PS4 turn now Very Happy 2013 Smile

HELL YE.... Oh wwait! I need more money! LOL
wombatrpgs
fmrg wrote:
hell yeah - PS4 turn now Very Happy 2013 Smile

Wow, I must be totally out of the loop, didn't catch an announcement at all.
Lishmares
Ps3 is really cool i can't wait to see what ps4 will have to offer, better graphics? How is that even possible lol but then again i guess it is, they alsways impress me when they come up with a new console.
darthrevan
Playstation 3 is my favorite console. We have a Xbox360, Playstation 3, and the Nintendo Wii. I use to like Xbox360 a lot but slowly the Playstation 3 grew on me even more, maybe because online gaming is free.
wombatrpgs
darthrevan wrote:
Playstation 3 is my favorite console. We have a Xbox360, Playstation 3, and the Nintendo Wii. I use to like Xbox360 a lot but slowly the Playstation 3 grew on me even more, maybe because online gaming is free.

It's interesting that people are willing to pay for a good gaming service. I wish Nintendo would take a hint...
Iceaxe0410
I'm afraid this time around I'm going to wait and see how the ps4 does before buying it. I still have my ps3 to keep me occupied. I just hate how new consoles don't really seem to have many solid new releases at the time the platform is released. It's one reason I haven't bought a Wii U due to the lack of major titles. Sure there are some good looking games, but not really the ones I get really excited about. I think it applies to most of the past console releases. The types of games they offer at the beginning is kind of lackluster. That reminds me of the Gamecube. The title I got on release day was Luigi's Mansion... yeah...not exactly something to get excited about. I think I'll just wait when the price drops after the initial wave. It only makes sense to me to wait. That is, unless if they release it with some awesome game that I have to get. I don't really see that happening though.
Iceaxe0410
I'm afraid this time around I'm going to wait and see how the ps4 does before buying it. I still have my ps3 to keep me occupied. I just hate how new consoles don't really seem to have many solid new releases at the time the platform is released. It's one reason I haven't bought a Wii U due to the lack of major titles. Sure there are some good looking games, but not really the ones I get really excited about. I think it applies to most of the past console releases. The types of games they offer at the beginning is kind of lackluster. That reminds me of the Gamecube. The title I got on release day was Luigi's Mansion... yeah...not exactly something to get excited about. I think I'll just wait when the price drops after the initial wave. It only makes sense to me to wait. That is, unless if they release it with some awesome game that I have to get. I don't really see that happening though.
wombatrpgs
Iceaxe0410 wrote:
I'm afraid this time around I'm going to wait and see how the ps4 does before buying it. I still have my ps3 to keep me occupied. I just hate how new consoles don't really seem to have many solid new releases at the time the platform is released. It's one reason I haven't bought a Wii U due to the lack of major titles. Sure there are some good looking games, but not really the ones I get really excited about. I think it applies to most of the past console releases. The types of games they offer at the beginning is kind of lackluster. That reminds me of the Gamecube. The title I got on release day was Luigi's Mansion... yeah...not exactly something to get excited about. I think I'll just wait when the price drops after the initial wave. It only makes sense to me to wait. That is, unless if they release it with some awesome game that I have to get. I don't really see that happening though.

I don't know, I actually had a fairly decent time with Luigi's Mansion.
(then again I didn't get the gamecube at launch and picked up Super Smash Bros at the same time)
limpands
I got it like 4 years ago.....
subhan1
and then PS4 is coming and I haven't bought the PS3 still Neutral
wombatrpgs
subhan1 wrote:
and then PS4 is coming and I haven't bought the PS3 still Neutral

Hey, maybe it'll be like the PS2 and still be a viable console even when the successor is released.
mukesh
I can't vote

I have no any knowledge about ps and i know no any ps in my home.

I have a pc I know about ps games. Smile
raskal
PS3 all the way PS4 all the way!!
Insanity
I think this thread really needs to be updated with the new PS4 out for a really long time. M,aybe a PS4 thread?
deanhills
Insanity wrote:
I think this thread really needs to be updated with the new PS4 out for a really long time. M,aybe a PS4 thread?
Good idea Insanity. Thread closed and unstickied. Watch out for its sequel PS4.
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