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Se|x offenders allowed to work in schools - UK?





710ths
Yesrterday reveiled that several sex offenders were being allowed to work in schools in the UK. But the education secretary didnt know how many.

What on earth are we doing allowing this and to cap it all we dont know who they are and how many. Its a discrace!

Get your act together Ruth Kelly (education secretary)and protect our children rather than spending your time dreaming up more administration work for teachers.
a.han
It's not as bad as the media make out. The guy in question is a little debatable and probably shouldn't have been allowed to teach but you don't have to be a paedophile to be on the sex offenders list.

have a ganders at the bbc news comments for a view that is a little more rational.

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&threadID=740&edition=1&ttl=20060112212207&#paginator
Kazingbing
Problem is, these things are happening, think of Ian Huntly & holly and Jessica
Kazingbing
I live near soham Idea
DX-Blog
And rapists are allowed to work with the mentally handicapped....

Things like that happen yes... although I don't think that they shouldn't be allowed, I do think that there should be an extra form of control over it. Depending to what degree they are on the list of sex offenders. Now if they were arrested for the posession of child porn then the chance of them actually doing something to a child isn't that large. Just about the same as a person which collects normal porn to rape someone similar to his/her preferences. So think up for yourself what the chance would be that you would rape someone.

Now if the person is a known child rapist I think it should speak for itself that the person should never be able to work with childeren alone, or atleast not for a certain period of time after being released out of prison/rehab. I think that we actually have a period of about 5-10 years or so here that they aren't allowed to work with childeren, but I'm not certain on that.
helk
Interestingly in my country exactly the same thing is happening. Convicted child sex offenders are being re-integrated into society without the acknowledgement or persmission of the community. And people hate it. It's always on the news. And I agree these people are more than criminal.

But the government insists it is the best method. I don't know, but having children must make you very sensitive to this issue. I think they should be re-located to at least non-school zones, but this often doesn't happen here.

I geuss the political side can't see the fear and anger of seemingly letting sexual predators out amongst vulnerable young people.
gonzo
But sex is natural. Where is your tolerance now?
helk
Well i have tolerance for sex. Not sexual predators.

No matter how many times you say it, paedophilia is not considered natural.
DX-Blog
helk wrote:
Well i have tolerance for sex. Not sexual predators.

No matter how many times you say it, paedophilia is not considered natural.

Paedophilia is not concidered natural by the current western world amongst human beigns. In the past though it occured frequently and amongst Romans it was like every day business, also in the animal kingdom paedophilia is something which does occur.

It is already hard enough for these people since they are concidered as unnatural, whilst technically, they're just like any other. About 50 years ago gay people had the same thing, the moment you came out with being attracted to people of the same sex you would get isolated. The same thing currently happens which people which are sexually attracted to childeren.

Even if they seek help online and ask others about what they could do best, go to a shrink or just try to forget about it by themselves, or some even ask if there is a known medication to it. Still a massive amount of people treats them like they are complete pieces of shit for something which technically they don't have in hand, and besides that, they didn't even do anything yet and were actually trying to get help by themselves already before it was too late.

The reason why I also think that it isn't a bad thing for them to be allowed to perform the same jobs as others is because they shouldn't get excluded out of society, that will make matters only worse.
helk
Sure, there does need to be a place for them to exist peacfully within society.
But, as long as we all live in the contemporary western world, they need to be prevented from being in a position to give in to their - illegal - sexual desires.

We differ so much from our history though that it's almost counts for nil to argue that it's a reason for it to considered anything but criminal. People will continue to believe children are innocent, and will do everything in their power to keep them that way.

While i accept it is part of human nature - as a whole, including whatever we may know of past prejudices, and tolerances - in this case, majority rules. I can see it requires debate, but what good reason is there to defend it?
DX-Blog
helk wrote:
Sure, there does need to be a place for them to exist peacfully within society.
But, as long as we all live in the contemporary western world, they need to be prevented from being in a position to give in to their - illegal - sexual desires.

We differ so much from our history though that it's almost counts for nil to argue that it's a reason for it to considered anything but criminal. People will continue to believe children are innocent, and will do everything in their power to keep them that way.

While i accept it is part of human nature - as a whole, including whatever we may know of past prejudices, and tolerances - in this case, majority rules. I can see it requires debate, but what good reason is there to defend it?

Feeling sexually attracted towards childeren isn't illegal, going beyond that is. Personally for me the only thing which makes the person truly a criminal is when he or she rapes the child. Not because it's a child, but for being a rapist, whether it's a child or not, something against somebody's will is just what shouldn't happen.

If the person is just sexually attracted this shouldn't be a big problem of working with the certain group, since being sexually attract to something or a certain group of people doesn't mean you'll actually do something and besides that, to be attracted to every single person of the group.

If the person would be a rapist, then yes, you could argue about not letting the person work alone with the childeren. But the same would go in other situations as well. If someone has raped adults in the past and then later ends up with an office job I don't think many would feel secure if they would work alone with that person. Still also they have their preferences, but there is this action of the person truly doing something.
helk
Then i geuss it ends up being a matter of rehabilitation.

Are we prepared to accept that offenders can successfully be rehabilitated and can we as potential victims (direct or indirect) trust in their self-control?

This is a matter for the medical, law and psychological professions.

Though i thorougly reckon that the climate surrounding the issue will not abate, but become more severe and i see no other conclusion than laws becoming accordingly strict.

However, if i were freinds with someone who enjoyed fantasising about people UNDER the legal age for consentual sex, then i should say it would be at my discretion as to wether i believed them to be a danger. By which i mean, my opinion on the matter is a generalisation. Am i a hypocrite? Perhaps. Rolling Eyes
DX-Blog
helk wrote:
However, if i were freinds with someone who enjoyed fantasising about people UNDER the legal age for consentual sex, then i should say it would be at my discretion as to wether i believed them to be a danger. By which i mean, my opinion on the matter is a generalisation. Am i a hypocrite? Perhaps. Rolling Eyes

I guess pretty much then Wink, since why would this friend suddenly become some sort of danger to society whilst your average day friend which is attracted by the opposite sex isn't? In both cases fantasies will most likely remain fantasies.
gonzo
helk wrote:
paedophilia is not considered natural.



they were born that way. where is your tolerance now?
a.han
just a small update, a man on the list (William Gibson) is all over the British news. He "abused" a 15 year old girl 20 years ago and is classed as a sex offender.

He went on to marry the girl and have three children with her. Despite this he is still branded a paedophile by those who are ignorant to the facts.

Because of media hysteria this man will never work as a teacher again.

Just shocking.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4619786.stm
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