I just recently turned vegetarian and i think it's a great way to live. I'm not doing it for the weight/health factor but for the animal cruelty factor. Every vegetarian saves an average of 92 animals per year. Most people never even think about what they do to the animals. For chickens, they put 11 of them to a small cage and chop of they're beaks (which has the most nerve endings in their body) so that they don't kill each other. because of this, the chickens can starve to death because they can't eat food anymore. when male chicks are born in an egg factory, they usually throw them into high speed grinder alive. There is so much more out there that they do to these poor animals. Vegetarianism is really the way to go, you may say that it's normal to eat animals, it's the circle of life. but we really abuse that system nowadays. It's not normal anymore. I suggest that if you don't want to turn full vegetarian/vegen than you only eat free range/ organic meat. here are a couple quotes from albert einstein himself on vegetarianism: "Vegetarian food leaves a deep impression on our nature. If the whole
world adopts vegetarianism, it can change the destiny of humankind." and "If a man aspires towards a righteous life, his first act of abstinence is from injury to animals."
Deeply loves the nature, protects the animal is the matter which the humanity should do.
I respect animals, and you're right about the "abusement of the system". But I happen to be a meat-lover also. My grandmother has some animals (chicken and pork, mostly), and they are kept well. And they are killed in a "humanic way", if it's not contradictory.
So, I can't imagine my life without meat. And an other quote (from I don't know who):
If God wanted us to be vegetarians, he wouldn't have made animals of meat.
I liked your post.
I am also a vegetarian.
See, not everything is like that though - I agree that meat processing could be improved greatly, but you cannot only look at the bad and the extremes.
And you have to understand that they're renewable, each of those 92 animals we omnivores eat a year could also produce offspring.
But nice post, vegetarian is pretty cool I admit.
How can you guys not eat meat? Meat is amazing.
Besides, animals don't have souls anyways. They don't go to heaven or anything... Damnit! For every animal you guys don't eat, I'll eat three!
Meeeeaaaat....
| Marston wrote: |
How can you guys not eat meat? Meat is amazing.
For every animal you guys don't eat, I'll eat three! |
Right on, man.
And I don't have a problem with vegetarians in general; they can eat whatever the hell they want. But I can't stand the ones ones that whine about it all the time and get offended whenever you eat meat. Some even go so far as to try to keep you from eating your own meat.
It especially bugs me when a vegetarian is a dinner guest at somebody's house or something, and when meat is served, they "can't eat it," and request something else to be cooked.
If you "can't eat" (by choice) what the host is serving, then starve to death, ******.
Personally, I eat as much meat as I possibly can at every meal every day. 
Although I have never eaten my own meat, I agree with you. The only thing is, why would you ever have a Vegetarian over at your house? I avoid Vegetarians like the plague, man. I suggest you do the same...
Joking, obviously. I don't hate Vegetarians, I just love meat! You know If we weren't supposed to eat animals they wouldn't be made out of meat 
Well, if animals like sheep or cows could eat us they would, so i think why not eat them, the way it is ment to be really. I disagree on the cruelty though, to be honest some of the stuff they do is very cruel. But like i said before, if they could eat us they would probably while we were still living aswell
it's true, eating animals is bad... But we do that for some 1000 years
Nature is like that... Meat is good to the health, and it's very great (miam!)
I adore animals, but i know meat is a good food
I dont see anything wrong with it
if you dont kill any out at all...... whats going to hapen is
it will be overpopulated and have diseases, and it will be terrible animals then would suffer.
that is just my opinion though
I can understand why you are against the animal cruelty factor, but you have to understand what you are eating. When you eat a stake you are eating a cow or a lamb, etc., but when you eat a fruit you are eating a womb that a baby plant is going to grow in. Now, when you look at cells that make up meat, vegetables, and fruit you see fatty acids, water, a nucleus, mitochondria, endoplasmic reticulum, etc., the main difference between plants and animals, besides DNA are that plants have cell walls and chloroplasts. Is there a difference in eating plants or animals?
we have canine teeth for a reason. We have animal fat specific lipases (digestive enzymes in our gut) for a reason. the bulk of many veggies, cellulose, we can't even digest. heck, cows can't even digest this cellulose. They rely on the bacteria that live in their four stomachs to break down their food. Vegeterianism is perfectly fine, so long as you are not self-righteous about it. Nor should you ever be wearing/using anything that was taken from an animal... else you risk being labelled hypocritical.
yea meat is good and if you dont eat meat you dont grow as the most of the vegetarians, wich are women they become very short and you stop growing after you are about 20 years old, and i dont think the animals are having a bad life either, they are made for us to eat, nature is just so, i dont mind either if someone is a vegetarian but it is always a small minus if you are 
this is an each to their own matter, but i do have an opinion about this.
i dont see anything wrong in being a vegetarian, if its because of health reasons, or it is a way to keep the weight under control if there are no other ways to do that.
well animal cruelty is a whole different matter and cannot be compared with eating meat, but by not eating meat we make a fatal fraction to the food chain. we are on top of the food chain, but the chain needs its every link so it wouldnt break. the animals are meant to be eaten, and the amount the ppl of the world eat animals in a year is nothing compared to how much those animals breed. hunting animals for different purposes than eating them is not right tho, and i do judge hunting cause of furs etc. but id never give up eating meat tho.
I am no vegeterian but have lots of friends that are.
I have to say that you don'T have to forget that a lot of vegeterians kill insects when they get annoying, for example spiders in their bedroom when they wanna sleep.
Or a lot of them eats fish.
Or they wear clothes that are made out of animals that were killed for that.
So many of the vegeterians are a bit contradictory in their behaviour.
But not all of them are like this. Only the ones that see it like a cool trend. They don't really share the ideological background of it.
My cousin was a vegetarian because he wanted to be healthy. However, after he started exercising, he said he needed the proteins so now he eats much meat. I don't think it is necessary to be a vegetarian at all to have good health.
Well, I LOVE meat, but I can understand people who choose to be a vegetarian. Not loving those whiny vegen activist though. Anyway, I just read this book about how humans require different kinds of food depending on their blood type. Like O is suited to meat, veggies for A...B eat some combination I can't remember. Explains why some can lose weight on those Atkins diet. Haven't gone through the whole book but it's a new idea to me.
Not to forget that you eat around 10 spiders a year on average ... while sleeping. And no, it's not a joke. 
Sorry but another meat lover, although I do not condone animals being baddly treated. I tried not eating red meat for a while and felt bad. I just need meat!
| Marston wrote: |
How can you guys not eat meat? Meat is amazing.
Besides, animals don't have souls anyways. They don't go to heaven or anything... Damnit! For every animal you guys don't eat, I'll eat three!
Meeeeaaaat.... |
lol. and thegamecreater. funny shitAll you veggies, please tell me what do you think about this:
Is EGG considered as animal?
I have some vegetarian friends, and they eat eggs. But what if I tell that an egg is a baby chicken?
And an other one: how can one live without knowing the feeling of lard dripping from your chin and fingers sticking together? Now that's something!
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All you veggies, please tell me what do you think about this:
Is EGG considered as animal?
I have some vegetarian friends, and they eat eggs. But what if I tell that an egg is a baby chicken?
And an other one: how can one live without knowing the feeling of lard dripping from your chin and fingers sticking together? Now that's something! |
do you even know what lard is? it's fat from a pigs abdoman. i didn't even eat that when i wasn't vegetarian. and those of you out there that are like "for every animal you don't eat, i'll eat three", in two years time, your body will be on the verge of getting a heart attack, and you'll be obese..no wonder 1/3 of americans are obese.Alright, I respect everyone's personal opinion about what and why and how to eat. But I hate people that go around and want to make me a vegetarian.
I like meat and if you don't, that's ok with me. But don't dare trying to make me eat vegetarian, too.
I don't try to convince any vegetarian to eat meat, so don't get on my nerves.
Thank you very much.
To all meat eaters out there: Keep up the good work.
To all vegetarians: Do what you like, but get out of my sight.
Rock'n Roll.
My family are vegetarian and have inflicted it upon me all my life, but I am most certainaly not a vegetarian. I do not see how you can get a fully balanced diet if you no not eat meat. I think that vegetarianism goes against every natural human instinct. Ever since man could think he has hunted and killed wild animals to eat, and we have become a vital part of the food chain.
If man did not eat meat then the cow, sheep and other animal populations would spiral out of control and the world as we know it would come to an end.
My cousin started to leat alot about vegetarians, not eating meat being good for health etc. etc. and she were doing everything like in those books, finishing up in hospital. Doctor told her to eat more meat o.o
I don't know what to think, but I'll just trust that doctor:D
BTW> Considering post about vegetarians being short. She is first short person in her family line since 18th century...
Hmm, eating meat is good, as long as you don't eat too much of it and keep balanced diet. Eating groceries, fruits etc. is great as well, but getting too much of some vitamins in them can cause some vitamin-related sicknesses, can't it? (I'm not sure... They were telling me about that on biology lessons few years ago).
meat is good, meat is great, please put more meat on my plate.
| please.be.quiet wrote: |
| t for the animal cruelty factor |
think of all the plants your killing. killing is always wrong?
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more meat for me
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why not?
animals don't have rightsAnimals eat each other also 
I love meet its just part of the food cycle if we dont eat meet they would eat us ... well maybe haha yeah im a veggy as well and have been for about 10 years. i dont think its that hard to be a veggy, you just have to be responsible. if you were a meat eater your body will be used to getting stuff from meat that isn't in vegetables. so you have to take eaither supplements or try things like Quarn.
being veggy is great!
| Nyizsa wrote: |
All you veggies, please tell me what do you think about this:
Is EGG considered as animal?
I have some vegetarian friends, and they eat eggs. But what if I tell that an egg is a baby chicken?
And an other one: how can one live without knowing the feeling of lard dripping from your chin and fingers sticking together? Now that's something! |
I think this post is really getting at the more important issue at hand - which came first, the chicken, or the egg?
By the way, that lard thing is just gross. I've never had lard on my face. It's not good for your complexion, you know.Timing is cool for me to see this topic. My whole life I have eaten a lot of meat(im 26). But I am starting to fully see the benefits of being a vegan, and I have been slowly getting myself into the vegan stage. I plan on eating more fruit than anything, plus greens and nuts for added protein when I work out, no more artificial crap for me.
For anyone who needs more info, check this out:
http://thegardendiet.com/ OK, I think my opinion may best be stated with some personal background.
I refer to myself as a reformed vegetaraian. I was a vegetarian for several years, and health-wise, it felt good. But I've started eating meat for a couple of reasons: 1) My husband does not feel well on a vegetarian diet. We were both vegetarians when we met, and until he began eating meat again (in spite of a well balanced vegan diet, on which I thrived) he was ill. 2) I now live in a northern rural area, where it is costly and difficult (if at all possible) to get the neccessary variety of vegetables and alternative proteins to maintain a healthy vegetarian diet year round. I can't do it so I don't.
As for animal cruelty, that comment has always bothered me. If you want a cruelty-free sustainable lifestyle... then live it. I've never had much patience for choices based on the assumption that food comes from a store. And meat comes on a little styrofoam tray. I think everyone should know where there food comes from (and still be able to eat it!)
One reason that I'm OK with eating meat is that I know its coming from good sources. We fish in the summer, and trade some fish for beef, raised by friends whose farming methods are neither cruel nor gross. (And anyone who's ever had good farm fresh, small-lot, pasture fed, not feed lot beef will tell you it's not even the same food as feed-lot grocery store cow)
We raise our own meat chickens, get eggs from a neighour and plan to raise rabbits for meat and fur next spring.
I don't care what choices you make for yourself; if you make them consciously and deliberately, I commend you. But no matter where you live there are alternatives if you're willing to seek them out, rather than just blindly reacting to the stuff you don't like.
If you are vegetarian you don't get iron. I can never just eat vegetables every day without eating meat. Meat makes you more strong but just eating vegetables every day will make you weaker. But there is nothing wrong to be a vegetarian. Meat is very good to the health and both vegetables. But eating meat is better. A balanced diet is better than just taking one over the other.
GO VEGES GO!!! OI!! OI!!! OI!!!
riv_: So it means that it depends on person if (s)he can become a vegetarian? Like, place where person lives, his money and health issues?
Person I'm renting my room from was told by doctor to eat alot of red meat for next month. She wasn't a vegetarian, but she ate mostly fruits and grocery before.
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| o it means that it depends on person if (s)he can become a vegetarian? Like, place where person lives, his money and health issues? |
Absolutely... Like I said. The vegetarian diet (remembering that a vegetarian isn't just someone who doesn't eat meat; a true vegetarian diet has to be properly balanced) is the very best diet for my body type.
But it doesn't work so well for some people.
And it's much harder to maintain living where I live now, then it was when I lived in a warmer climate where more variety was available year round. Not only is it harder to get the variety of produce and vegetarian protein here, I find that I actually crave meat protein in the cold winter climate!
Ultimately, people have to make thier own choices, and remember that something that works for you may not be the answer for everyone.
But that's just my opinion...i was never telling you that you shouldn't eat meat in the first place. if you read the first post it clearly states that if you want to eat meat, then (i recommend) eat free range or organic because the meat hasn't been treated with growth hormone steroids and the animals are natural. i was never forcing vegetarianism/veganism on anyone, and if you were offended by me saying what's healthy and what's not then you are really, truly ignorant. still, besides what i said, i'm vegetarian for the rights of animals (and they have rights, it's moral) not for the health issues. if you want to argue that animals aren't treated badly or if you're oblivious to what's happening, then go to www.peta2.com and see what people are doing. and how can you even compare animals to plants? it's unethical. i don't like eat meat or meat products. but sometimes i eat 
i am a half vegetarian, hehe Who cares about unethicality, meat tastes good. Why not pump cows full of growth hormones, or steroids? They're going to the slaughter house anyways. Does it really make any difference? Are you a cow?
Also, I believe that PETA is vegetarianist propaganda. Most of the videos they throw up there are also from third world countries, so like... Let's all give people in third world countires a bad reputation? Yeah? No?
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I respect animals, and you're right about the "abusement of the system". But I happen to be a meat-lover also. My grandmother has some animals (chicken and pork, mostly), and they are kept well. And they are killed in a "humanic way", if it's not contradictory.
So, I can't imagine my life without meat. And an other quote (from I don't know who):
If God wanted us to be vegetarians, he wouldn't have made animals of meat. |
I agree to this. And I also say that eating meat is natural to all carnivorous/omnivorous animals. I also agree that killing animals in inhumane ways is wrong. But humans do need meat, it's in our diet.Some of you folks are confused. Meat isnt really part of a blananced diet, because us Humans are not even supposed to eat Meat. Our bodies arent built to consume meat, it just sits in our bellies and rots. Whereas, fruits and veggies are very easily digestible, they start breaking down immediately. The stomachs of carnivores are made to consume meat in the same way that humans are made to consume fruits, veggies, greens, etc...
We can get ALL the nutrients we need being a vegan very easy. Nuts contain a very high amount of protein for those concerned about putting on the pounds.
I never heard the term "vegetarianism", I've only heard, "vegetitarian" which is a person.
I wanted to be a vegetarian, but my parents are give me a hard time... I'll do it when I'm 18 and move away.
[quote]I dont see anything wrong with it
if you dont kill any out at all...... whats going to hapen is
it will be overpopulated and have diseases, and it will be terrible animals then would suffer.[/quote]
As most animals which are eaten are farmed then there would not be an overpopulation problem as fewer would be "grown".
Personally I think meat is overrated. Often it is not of very good quality because of the requirements for mass production. It's the sauces and other things that go with it that make it nice. Try eating a hamburger with no bread, cheese, dressing or sauce and you will see what I mean.
However, if you can get meat directly from a decent farm that's another matter....
vegetarians...
you know what they say sometimes :
My Food shits on Your Food
I like to have good variety in my diet and eat no-animal products from time to time but switching completely than I have to say goodbye to all those things that I really really love like muscles, chicken, spareribs, steak, scampi, ...
there is no no-animal replacement for muscles not in shape nor in taste, not even in nutrients/fatties/carbs and there never will be so I will never become a vegetarian... i m a pure vegeteian and i dont see anything wrong in ppl eating meat... everybdy has his/her prefernces
I don't know why you guys don't eat meat!
Meat is soo good and nutrissiant!
My favorite food is hamburgers...ahhh..........
Just eating vegetables just look so meningless.
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But that isn't the right for this post.
Soo I'll hold myself to the subject.
Would have been fun if someone had written something about monkeys.
Are monkeys vegearian?
I sure do know that humans, well some, eat meat.
But monkeys? I went from being veggie, to meat eating, and back to veggie in the last 5 years, and the biggest thing that I noticed is that when I don't eat meat, I need less sleep.
As a meat eater, I was needing 6-8 hours of sleep to feel healthy. However, as a veggie eater, I only need 4-6 hours of sleep to be on my toes. I love that! Sleep is such a waste of time!
I am not a vegetarian but I know many and I understand why they do it. At least I save many pigs a year since I dont eat pork | stiffler wrote: |
Some of you folks are confused. Meat isnt really part of a blananced diet, because us Humans are not even supposed to eat Meat. Our bodies arent built to consume meat, it just sits in our bellies and rots. Whereas, fruits and veggies are very easily digestible, they start breaking down immediately. The stomachs of carnivores are made to consume meat in the same way that humans are made to consume fruits, veggies, greens, etc...
We can get ALL the nutrients we need being a vegan very easy. Nuts contain a very high amount of protein for those concerned about putting on the pounds. |
As far as I remember people can eat BOTH meat and other things. Gee... Veggies are very easily digestible, they start breaking down immediately, and they leave your organism much faster than meat! It means that you will need another addition of energy sooner of later. After I eat "balanced veggie food" I am hungry after 1 hour, after I eat "balanced meat food" I feel too full. When I eat both I feel good whole day~.~
I eat meat and I sleep 5h daily. I feel healthly and I don't drink cofee etc. Well... Does that mean that if I became a vegetarian I would sleep 3 hours per day? I doubt it-__-; And Arti della Fibra... You know that time you need to sleep changes with age? How old are you currently?Human is omnivorous. It means that we need meat AND vegetables to get all the things we need for our life. And yes, vegetables are digested faster than meat. And hold MUCH less energy. Look at the grass-eating animals: they wake up, eat all day, then go asleep. Carnivores eat once a day only. I think we have to find the balance between the two.
So if one doesn't like meat, will not eat meat. That's fine, but I think this person will miss some of the necessary elements and a great experience.
We eat vegetables and meat why choose vegetables only. For me its like no electricity in our life, missing the essence of life
the first post is absolute crap...
im many countries specially the uk choppin the chickens beak off is too inhumain...
obviously theres no way to humainly kill an animal for wat ever reason.. but they do try to do it in the quickest and most painless way!
to chop the beak off and let it starve is just plain stupid! As the chickens are breed for their meat to sdell in shops, if the chickens are then starved the amount of meat wiull be reduced and the chickens value to the farmer drops!
i am not vegetarian, but i not cruel to animals... i do admire vegetarians a vegans, but please find out the proper facts before changing your habits...
wat country are you from.. if a farmer here was to do as you have sed they do they themsleves would be prosecuted!!
I plan to become a vegitarian later, but not yet.
Anyway, the only way to be sure what your'e eating was killed humanely is to kill it yourself.
Yes, I go hunting sometimes, also fishing more often.
Yes, I eat 'em.
If everyone on the planet adhered to vegetarianism and used the cattle grazing land for crops instead, the food produced would be enough to feed the entire population and have room for growth.
The human body is not designed for meat eating as our digestion tract is not designed for such intake. Meat eating animals have a shorter intestine about three times the length of their bodies (allowing rotten meats to pass quickly and cleanly through the body) whereas vegetarian animals have an intestinal tract approximately nine times the length of their bodies (meat becomes toxic if undigested properly and causes all sorts of internal problems in vegetarian animals).
| Ragnarok wrote: |
| The human body is not designed for meat eating as our digestion tract is not designed for such intake. |
We're designed to both eat meat and vegetables. You can see it at the position of your eyes. Frontal like a lion and not a the sides like a rabbit.Veggies live 9 years longer on average than people who eat met, but then if your left handed you live on average 7 years less than the average right handed man.
(U.K)
| Bondings wrote: |
| Ragnarok wrote: | | The human body is not designed for meat eating as our digestion tract is not designed for such intake. |
We're designed to both eat meat and vegetables. You can see it at the position of your eyes. Frontal like a lion and not a the sides like a rabbit. |
Exactly. And also the teeth and... well... I think we have only one stomach... instead of four...
And about meat "rotting" in the digesting system... What do you think vegetables are doing there? If you want to call it "rotting", feel free to do so, but don't be unilateral. Personally I prefer the term "digestion". | Bondings wrote: |
| Ragnarok wrote: | | The human body is not designed for meat eating as our digestion tract is not designed for such intake. |
We're designed to both eat meat and vegetables. You can see it at the position of your eyes. Frontal like a lion and not a the sides like a rabbit. |
You are a smart, smart man, Steve Bondings.
Answer me this - how did you become so smart?I believe everyone in this planet have a reason to be here and animals too. I think they are here to provide food to other animals and so on, but they also kill or chase their pray only when they are hungry they don't do it for fun or just to eat half and waste the rest. For me is better to eat meat from an animal that when is killed can feed more that one like a cow than eat shrimps or little animals that can feen only one and are most killed just for luxury. Like monkey's brains and so on.
I don't eat meat but not because of moral reasons, but because I am disgusted of many types of it. I find it interesting that so many people who eat meat regularly can't kill an animal. For example, almost all of my family members like chicken but no one dares to kill one. Eating or buying a frozen chicken in a supermarket is one thing, but cut a throat with a knife is another. I think it's strange - if you eat them, why do you face difficulties when you kill them?
On the other side - vegetables are living, too. You must eat (and kill) living beings if you want to live. Animals are more similar to the people than plants, and that's the reason why many people don't want to eat them. (They have eyes.Feelings.They're crying.) I think it is individual preference.
When you buy meat from a supermarket its usually (hopefully!) dead already, occasionally skinned, boned, filleted and god knows what else. Its so different to an animal that people generally think about it as being like an animal. Besides when you buy it you dont have to think about who and how it was killed.
I like some meat but not all so I dont really care about their feelings. Other animals eat other animals and some eat humans so thats how we are.
Vegetarians have some morals it seems to me but vegans have more and fruitarians are 'perfect'.
I am totaly agree with ALJA and POLIT that everyone in this planet have a reason to be here. Like animals vegitables are living too but it doesnot mean that you go and hunt for your excitement, this is bad. Meet and vegitable should be in balance in a human life, medical science recomends the same.
To each his own. I'm a carnivore myself. I enjoy meat and believe that if we weren't eating animals, their population would overrun us and the vegetarians would start complaining about the cow in their living room eating the couch.If you're a vegetarian, that's your choice. Just don't contribute to hypocrisy by eating french fries or mozzarella sticks that are fried in lard. Or put chopped eggs on your salad. If you're gonna be a vegetarian and advertise it, stick to a no meat or meat-related products. And remember that those vegetables were living things once!
The hell yeh I eat meat, we are built to do so, whether you like it or not. You can chose for suddenly becoming a vegeterian, but then you'll have to adjust your entire lifestyle. You can't just say "ah well, I'll just eat what I did before and take out the meat". The meat contains a lot of things which the body requires. You can go on a regular diet for about 3 months without meat, but after that you'll cause yourself a serious health hazard. The first thing which tends to occur a lot on starter vegeterians are things like anemia, due to a sudden decrease of the iron intake.
But there are a lot more factors though which play an essential role than just iron. The thing is, if you take a look around you at what nature offers you, not your local supermarket you will notice that vegetarianism is biologically seen, impossible, for the human beign. The complete intake which we require in combination with what we are capable of digesting cannot be found on compact locations.
Instead vegeterians eat stuff from all over the world to get the required intake. Things like iron can be found in milk, nuts and eggs. And for the hypocritical vegeterians which say fish aint animals and can be eaten anyways, fish as well. If you include fish, then you can get iron in most part of the world outside of meat, but without it becomes a problem. Things like milk isn't something on which you can truly survive for iron, unless you would want to pile up cows like is happening currently with chickens. Chicken eggs, well yeh, speaks for itself, they would get an even harder time.
Nuts are a good thing since they grow back rather easily and contain a lot of iron, but well yeh, not every type can be eaten by humans and you don't find them everywhere either.
As for milk there's yet again the problem of a major percentage of the global population not being able to digest milk since their digesting system hasn't evolved for this, especially eastern people have trouble with this and results in lacto intolerance, which on a sidenote, can even be deadly. So in making us capable to drink milk people have died.
Now you can go about how we could save so many animals each year by eating only green food, but that will not keep us all alive. Nature is in balance the way it is, even if it requires us to breed things, we are just with way too many people. If we wouldn't breed animals on small locations there would be about enough organisms to cover the entire surface of the earth. Hell, we even pile ourselves in skyscrapers to save space.
Some might call it a crime that things like this happens to animals, but it's just the way it went overtime. You can't change that all of the sudden. Evolution has made us the way we are now and our ancestors have had an influence on how this evolution went. They ate meat, the strongest survived, appearantly the meat eaters and they lived on in the next generations.
Now the most common arguement for vegetarians is that the animals themselves eat about 5000kg of green food before they get killed, then they get produced to about 200kg of meat in case of a cow or so. They tend to forget though that cows eat grass, if you'll try to start living on grass you'll not only damage your digesting system you'll also starve since you can't take anything out of it.
Meat contains things in high concentrations, something which plants don't do. Some plants contain things in reasonable high concentrations, but still if an animal eats 10 of those plants he'll have much more material of importance within a much smaller volume inside of him.
Now if we'ld all become vegeterians there would be way too less of food available for us to eat till we would evolve into pure planteaters, still then you will hardly ever come in such a state in which you can eat all plants. Most likely a lot of people will die because of poisoning the moment we would start eating every single random plant out of hunger .
Finally still, there's just the thing of certain people not going of the path of evolution and sticking to eating meat. You know, there are also other ways to do something about bad conditions for animals. You could raise a group of animals for yourself perhaps . Let those live nicely and then... eat them. Bio-industry is just so much easier though. i agree.. but it's not easy for me to change to a vegetarian.. been used to eating meat..
I'm a vegetarian, but certainly not out of animal cruelty reasons. That would be silly... as a biologist, I sacrifice about 10 of them each week, and see nothing wrong with it. As the sign on one of the office doors around here says (with a picture of animal rights protesters): "Because of animal research they can protest an average of 20 years longer."
The reason I'm a vegetarian is that I'm lazy. I know that caloric restriction is the only intervention so far that slows down aging in mammals, possibly including humans. But I'm not going to be one of those health nuts that counts the calories on everything. Vegetables have on average a lower caloric content than meat, so I just avoid meat, take multivitamins, and don't worry about it any further. Vegetables also contain less saturated fat and don't carry diseases communicable to humans (avian flu, mad cow disease, tapeworm, and who knows what else they'll find).
I've been a vegetarian for almost ten years now, and am in fine health. I didn't start when I was a child, though, and it's probably a bad idea for people to become vegetarians while they're still growing. Unlike some vegetarian zealots out there, I agree that humans have evolved to be omnivores, not vegetarians. Vegetarianism is an unnatural but overall positive human behavior like many others (clothing, houses, fire, democracy...) but if you supplement with multivitamins and eat a wide variety of vegetable protein, you'll be fine.
I'm disgusted with the self-righteous vegetarian fanatics who try to make other people "see the light" of vegetarianism. And the ones who oppose the use of animals by humans are also species-traitors. I haven't met too many of that type since moving to Texas. Here it's live and let live. Occasionally people say "Will you be offended if I eat this chicken in front of you?" and that's when I laugh and say "I don't care what you or anybody else eats, nobody has a right to be offended by anybody else's lifestyle choices, and the people who want to tell everyone how to live are nutjobs who don't represent me in any way."
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| I'm disgusted with the self-righteous vegetarian fanatics who try to make other people "see the light" of vegetarianism...." |
You're 100 percent right. Of course, it is true for the self-righteous carnivores, too. Being a vegan sounds very strange for many people because they say that it is unhealthy. But with multivitamins you have the oppurtunity to compensate this. Alcohol, coffee, tobacco are unhealthy, too and the most of the modern foods - full of vitamin E (like E330). It's an individual choice for the majority of people (but only if they living in a wealthy society). But that's a fine business, too - just look at the questions of bio-food or the argument about genetically modified plants... Being a vegetarian is unnatural to a human, that's true. But wearing clothes is unnatural,too.Yeah Some of you people seem to be spokesperesons for PETA.
God/Allah/Buddah/Whoever intended us to eat meat. It's where we get some of our protein.
So if you're a vegitarian, that's dandy.
But please stop trying to make the rest of us feel guilty for eating meat, OK?
Hi! I agree with the animal cruelty thing but being vegetarian may not be good for you! Did you know that being vegetarian can reduce your hormones(hope I spelt it right!) greatly? In a recent news report here in Singapore, being vegetarian is said to be not good for your health! No wonder monks are so gentle!
Just some info ok folks. Everyone has the right to do whatever he wants to. I once made the test : I quit eating meat (although I liked that and still do). I had read in a book that I would feel better if I did so. And the author of that book was right. I had more energy, I really was in great shape and continued to eat vegatables until something happenned. One day, I was standing by the butcher's shop holding the hand of my 3 years old daughter who followed the same regimen as us. She looked at some pieces of meat and she asked loud what it was. Everybody around looked at me as if to say : "What ??? This poor little girl has never eaten meat ?? (although she already had anyway). So my wife didn't stand it and we ate meat again. preparing one different meal for each person in the family would be difficult to do. But try. Quit eating meat for some time and see what happens.
Shrug. Depends which hormones. Some of them might be a good thing to reduce.
For example, the Ames dwarf mouse lacks growth hormone and all the other anterior pituitary hormones. Result? It lives 60% longer than normal mice.
Another example. People with constantly elevated insulin levels have lowered insulin sensitivity and are at risk for diabetes. Some dietary and behavioral interventions can lower basal insulin levels and reduce the risk of diabetes.
I'd need to read the study myself before I could decide what it means for vegetarianism. Who wrote it, what year, and where did they publish it?
What? i'm a VAGITARIAN! I love meat! I'ts a business, they do it the cheapest and most efficient way possible. granted, it's not the most humane way to do it but it's the way we live. plants kill each other too. it doesn't seem as violent cause plant don't scream. but believe me, if they could... think about all the germs you kill washing your hands. you save 92 animals a year, you could save 92 trillion microbes a month if you didn't shower... to kill is human, u like being human don't you? Eat a cow!
Uhh, you do know what vagitarian means, don't you?
Many of my friends are vegetarians but I´m not because I think its better to be a honest meat-eater than be a fake-vegetarian.. But I dont think its right to treat the animals like they are being treated today..
lol Well i dont agree on cruelty to animals because 1000's of baby seals are killed every year by people who hunt them, although when it comes to animals like chickens and cows I still dont agree on the cruelty because if they are going to kill them they should make it quick so the animal cannot feel as much pain, but on the other hand they kill them so we can eat and if we didnt eat meat we wouldn't have a balanced diet so we wouldnt be able to stay healthy. And Vegetarians are not getting a balanced diet so i wonder how they stay healthy it is hard to work it out. 
Hi please.be.quiet
Very nice having made your acquaintance. I am in the process of writing a vegetarian cook book incorporating Indian Tastes with western herbs and condiments. What say you try them out and give me your opinion ? I will very much appreciate the same.
regards
Ranganv
By us eating meat, we keep things in balance.
If every human was a vegetarian, then the world would be even more over-populated with humans and animals then it all ready is, eating meat keeps things in check.
The animals that we eat or usually bred in animal farms. We give them lives so we can eat them
Some people may benefit from being vegan, others no. A good rule is that everything should be eaten in moderation. | nilsmo wrote: |
The animals that we eat or usually bred in animal farms. We give them lives so we can eat them
Some people may benefit from being vegan, others no. A good rule is that everything should be eaten in moderation. |
Exactly, and we have to continue eating these animals that we breed.
It's not like we can all of a sudden stop eating them, because then we'll have too many, we can't just stop breeding them because there goes a hefty chunk of our economy and the jobs of alot of people.Funny but good Vegen quotes:
I did not become a vegetarian for my health, I did it for the health of the chickens. ~Isaac Bashevis
Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victims he intends to eat until he eats them. ~Samuel Butler
Dear Lord, I've been asked, nay commanded, to thank Thee for the Christmas turkey before us... a turkey which was no doubt a lively, intelligent bird... a social being... capable of actual affection... nuzzling its young with almost human-like compassion. Anyway, it's dead and we're gonna eat it. Please give our respects to its family. ~Berke Breathed
The beef industry has contributed to more American deaths than all the wars of this century, all natural disasters, and all automobile accidents combined. If beef is your idea of "real food for real people" you'd better live real close to a real good hospital. ~Neal Barnard, M.D.
Do vegetarians eat animal crackers? ~Author Unknown
We all love animals. Why do we call some "pets" and others "dinner?" ~k.d. lang
I am not a vegetarian because I love animals; I am a vegetarian because I hate plants. ~A. Whitney Brown
I'm a meat-eater, and I won't stop anytime soon. I do however, try to only purchase from companies who are a bit more humane with their methods - but finding companies like that is rare.
I just find it extremely annoying when people, mainly my friends who are vegetarian feel the need to preach to me about how horrible I am for eating meat. The same person who said this, while we were watching the discovery channel one day, started crying because they showed an alligator eating a snake alive. I suppose she wanted the alligator to become vegetarian too?
Last edited by Jeslyn on Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:11 pm; edited 1 time in total I have nothing against this kind of lifestyle, But Meat is amazing, I know they do crual things to animals, But thats hows its like in the jungle, in the wild, for example in the wild the predator always eat the prey alive, the prey feels the pain of being bit by a pack of predator., Torn alive, As a meat lover, I can't live without meat, Maybe chicken since I'm not quite fond about birds but I cannot live without pork or beef, The rest I wouldnt care less.
Hi, I'm new. *waves*
I read in an article that people were eating too much meat, and that humans were orignally supposed to have a diet geared towards more vegetables and friuts then meat.
People who eat meat don't bother me, and I don't bother them. They can eat what they want.
I'm vegen. 
What does vagitarian mean?
I cant find a real definition, idont think it's a real word smarty... I meant i eat vagina, quit acting smart, dummy.
look..let them be vegitarions and stop arguing eith them..the way i se ,it , the more vegitarians, the mroe emat we get to eat...beside a lot fo them eat fish, whihc is an animal..so shut up..i know some of you dont, btu alot do..but god...i could care less hwo you kill the animal.how doumb..oh, you have to kil it in a nice way..of yea, becuasse killing in a anice way is just so nice..of look little chiockn,..im just goign o choke oyu ..yea..thats it..just not brethe..your dea/d. no/>ok..a litle tighter...what on eart...abusing the systsm..god, how sad. thereis no RIGHT way of killing..its an animal..it has a life, and we eat...what is up..but..whatever.. more meat for me!
makes me larf wen a vegitarian says about animal feelings etc... although fair enough they forget.... wen the sun moves across the sky a trees leaf move with it... this means it senses (feels) the movement so it can adjust!
if plants can feel, hows does a venous fly trap shut?? by "feeling/sensing" the movement and landing of its prey!!!!!!!
Huh? Sorry, but some of these replies make absolutely no sense.
if you dont eat the chickens someone else will.....
so your rlly not saving any.
When ordering in a restaurant in Japan, the word 'vegetarian' has been adopted, so explaining that you are a 'bejetarian' (Japanese pronunciation) should mean that you're not going to get any meat. Even with a bit more Japanese ('nikku nashi' = without meat) your meal will probably still contain ham or bacon, since that is somehow not meat. Apparently, 'meat' in Japan really is just beef, all the others are something else. So vegetarians simply don't eat beef in Japan? No, not exactly. Outside of the major urban areas, there just simply aren't any vegetarians. In the big cities, there are vegetarian restaurants - some very nice ones, in fact. For vegetarians visiting Japan, stick with the sticky rice. Otherwise, cook at home.
There is a thing called the food chain. i would post a picture that i felt that it adiquitly had it pictured like i felt it should. Humans are at the top of EVERY SINGLE FOOD CHAIN. i dont care what you say, its just natural. Then people start bringing in the ethics of how they raise chickens and cows and all that stuff. Ask me if a care some day. I really dont. They can treat the animals as badly as i want, as long as i dont have to see it and it still tastes good. I would much rather eat some abused chicken over tofu or a carrot anyday. I know i sound real biased and stuff(maybe cause i am?) but anyways the point is meat is great. you cant have meat without eat. . . if that makes any sense
Humans are not at the top of the food chain, infact there is no food chain, if anything it's a circle... everything is connected and goes round again. A tiger can eat and kill a human, a human can kill and skin a tiger - being at the top of the food chain would mean that nothing could harm you, you are the predator, and that clearly is not the case.
ive been a vegetarian from the moment i was born cause my whole family is vegetarian. i dont have the right to prevent others from eating meat. all i can do is ensure that i myself dont eat meat.
and to the point that humans are on the top of the food chain and can eat everything that moves (and some that dont), i will ask them a simple question. where did all this chicken, cows come from? it is for consumption that they are grown (just like plants are grown). so you dont eat meat cause you have to keep the animal population under control, but rather you have to cause you raise animals to be eaten.
the funny part for me is that people then talk about animal rights. you fine someone who ill treats animals. you spare a cow from the slaughter house just because it survived a month on a ship and cause it has huge public support. do you do the same for plants?? i dont do it because i know i eat plants and that it would be stupid for me to talk about the 'freedom' of plants after eating them.
so eat all the meat you want to, but dont brood over animal rights after your stomach is full with them
The sad thing about vegetarianism is that it increases the population of animals, though their populations have always been high (other than the ones on the endangered species list, but we don't eat them, do we?). This is the rationale of the hunters, and I find it true, though a lot of the food that vegetarians eat is good, not only for the body, but it tastes good. I have many friends that are vegetarians, but they don't think about the whole saving the animals part. All of these rationales about saving the animals and saving the ecosystem are created and spread by mostly radicals that don't take into account all of the facts. This, exactly, is what makes the human nation stupid, ignorance and closed mindedness. The problem with these radicals is that they take steps to address the problems that they are radicals about, but they don't do anything about the other problems in the world. Not all of these believers are radicals, but for the most part, those who are radicals are noticed.
Without meat's presence, my life would just be a fantasy! I love meat though I agree, the animals which are to be slaughtered for sale should be treated nicely. So what they arent humans, still they are living creatures who can feel pain.
I became vegetarian 2 years ago. I had never thought I would still be it after 2 years and I thought I would give it up immediatly. But I'm still veggie. Just think about the animals... "Meat is murder!"
If I'll become Vege' its only cause of Health matters...
Crul or not, you can't stop it. It's already deep in humankind.
Just like violence.
Meat contains a lot of proteins and vitamines that we need to keep our bodies healthy. I reckon some methods of killing animals are rather cruel, that is why I always buy meat of which I am sure that the animals didn't suffer anymore than necessary.
I simply consider meat a basic part of a healthy diet which is why I will never give it up.
A. If food chain refers to who gets eaten vs. who eats, then parasites win. All animals and plants have them, and no one eats them.
B. Meat-eaters can be concerned about animal rights simply because they prefer that all animals be treated fairly and kindly before slaughter. It's the same idea as the Kashrut laws from thousands of years ago. An animal must be killed in the fashion that would provide the quickest and least painful death in order that it might not suffer more than necessary. Consideration is possible for meat-eaters.
C. Pescatarians, the ones who eat fish, are one of the strangest groups I can think of. Fish care often grown in farms in small tanks squashed together. Compare that to a cow's life and I think the fish clearly has it worse.
D. I feel bad for vegetarians who eat out of the house, especially vegans. Almost everything contains butter and usually chicken fat. A have friends that go to CPK and order the spinach and artichoke dip. It's made with a chicken base. Most soups are too. It's unavoidable in the normal resturant business unless you specifically order. In the case of dips and soups, they're made in batches, which precludes such specifications. Oops, oh well.
I really have no problem eating meat, but i think you know, we ate meat before well before we ever thought about what or why were eating it.
That said, i think it's interesting to note, that carnivors besides humans always kill their OWN animal. We as consumers have this unique ability to transfer the onus of killing (which, you know, if you've never DONE before can seriously hamper your killing insticts) onto industry.
That way we can have whatever animal we want, and we don't have to deal with the killing part. And what about the fact that, although granted eating animals are rather large, we don't keep eating animals as pets, and conversly we don't kill animals we keep as pets (well in other parts of the world we do).
I still think everyone who eats meat should have to kill their own supper at least once. If you can still eat it, fly at it. If not... you've got a problem.
I figure there's something to be said for eating what's available.
Right now,my family is eating deer and beef a lot, because we've got a bunch in our freezer. But we also eat a lot of fish, and beans (we have vegetarian dishes 2 or more nights per week, regardless)
I think it's essential to good health to know where your food is coming from. Partly because you know you're not filling your body with dyes and hormones and bleach and unnecessary antibiotics (you know why they do that, right??)
... but also because I think there's a psychological benefit to it.
We were made to be hunters and gatherers. There's something wrong with living alife completely devoid of hunting and gathereing. (Yes, this is true for vegetarians who don't garden as much as omnivores who don't hunt!)
Food does not come from the store, whatever we think.
And hey, I like what my brother in law said this morning, in a totally unrelated conversation..."Vegetarian is another word for 'bad hunter!'"
Vegetarianism doesn't increase the amount of animals, meat production does. We use more land in the US for meat production than we do for human stuff, which makes sense if you realize how many billions of animals are eaten every year. Its also a terrible ecological disaster because cows produce lots of feces which has been a huge problem, it contaminates drinking water, and things. Animal waste management was also one of the problems leading to the guatamalan genocide (factory waste also a major factor). If you have too much waste your either going to get sick or be forced to take over another contry and spew it in their rivers until they get sick and are born with all kinds of malaties (which is the case today). However, today this problem is delt with by feeding animals their feces back to them. The cows diet (according to the USDA) can contain up to 30% feces (and still be labeled as organic meat too). Thus a whole host of new machinery that processes and preserves crap in order to later be fed back into the animals producing it.
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| I can understand why you are against the animal cruelty factor, but you have to understand what you are eating. When you eat a stake you are eating a cow or a lamb, etc., but when you eat a fruit you are eating a womb that a baby plant is going to grow in. Now, when you look at cells that make up meat, vegetables, and fruit you see fatty acids, water, a nucleus, mitochondria, endoplasmic reticulum, etc., the main difference between plants and animals, besides DNA are that plants have cell walls and chloroplasts. Is there a difference in eating plants or animals? |
But don't forget that most plants have fruit that smell and look attractive to animals and humans, to entice them to eat them, and spread their seeds with their droppings.
Plus, plants don't feel anything (no nerve endings, etc.) so I don't really care.
99% of animal live avoids being eaten like the plague. It is unvolentairy. And they do feel pain, fear, anxiety, etc. So this is a whole other case in my eyes.
I'm still no vegetarian, though. Maybe I should.vege's AAAAH jk
i cant live whit out meat besides i only eat frieandly meat (dont know the word is in eng) animals that are bread as natuarly as posible but still killd ofc.
btw just eating veges for health reasons Bha! pure bull if you dont know what your doing youl need lots of extra nourishment's either pills or lots of special
vege's like sprout's, bean's ect eavry day and iim to lazy to even tink about that plus Vegetarian's have the most horid farts
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Thus a whole host of new machinery that processes and preserves crap in order to later be fed back into the animals producing it.
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Sooo ???
i bet ur against ketchup too It is very commendable to choose to not eat meat on the basis of prevention of animal creulty.
However it is extremely difficult to meet all your nutritional requirements.
If you are lucky enought to live on acreage and can grow your crops, run your own chooks I submit it is possible to achieve a fairly good level of nutrition but you will need to be eating eggs.
Man, that nature-saver talk is really nice, but I don't think I can stop eating nice and greasy meat.
My mother is vegetarian, and I grew up in a house with almost no meat, so, when I can eat meat, I eat it like there is no tomorrow. So, in no way I would be a vegetarian...
Oi i just realized now that ur ehmm vegan i can eat all your meat for u (drooooools)
hmmm i shuld become a ehmm.. meat'an (lol) thats it im only going to eat meat noting ells il even drink meat (Mmmm Sluch puppy)
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I respect animals, and you're right about the "abusement of the system". But I happen to be a meat-lover also. My grandmother has some animals (chicken and pork, mostly), and they are kept well. And they are killed in a "humanic way", if it's not contradictory.
So, I can't imagine my life without meat. And an other quote (from I don't know who):
If God wanted us to be vegetarians, he wouldn't have made animals of meat. |
I totally agree with you...in my house, not eating meat means not eating anything at all...
BTW, the animals we eat (only chickens and porks) are all breed by ourselves...thats the way my parents like them...they don´t eat killed by somebody, because they don´t trust its procedence.lol-no ty(lauging out loud-no thanx)
mmm... meat 
I just wonta tear it off the bone | no_face15 wrote: |
| Vegetarianism doesn't increase the amount of animals, meat production does. We use more land in the US for meat production than we do for human stuff, which makes sense if you realize how many billions of animals are eaten every year. Its also a terrible ecological disaster because cows produce lots of feces which has been a huge problem, it contaminates drinking water, and things. Animal waste management was also one of the problems leading to the guatamalan genocide (factory waste also a major factor). If you have too much waste your either going to get sick or be forced to take over another contry and spew it in their rivers until they get sick and are born with all kinds of malaties (which is the case today). However, today this problem is delt with by feeding animals their feces back to them. The cows diet (according to the USDA) can contain up to 30% feces (and still be labeled as organic meat too). Thus a whole host of new machinery that processes and preserves crap in order to later be fed back into the animals producing it. |
Yes, and these guys tell us that "It is proven that at least x% of the feces is undigested, so it can be fed again..." and some other clever phrases. I say it is simply disgusting. An animal knows how much of his meal he digested. Yes! Did you know that rabbits do eat their feces for the first time it comes out? The balls you know are the second ones. But forcing an animal who doesn't want to? It's nonsense.
Right, it is a great problem storing it or doing whatever with it. But there are so many ways... Have anybody heard of bioenergy? Burning the feces and getting electricity. A cow farm could satisfy the needs of a small village, but at least themselves. Hm?yeck i hate vegetables i only eat raw carrots and mashed potatoes
The real compromise of all of this would be to stay by the Kosher laws. Why do you think the Jews were given these laws? If they weren't given to keep the people healthy while maintaining balance of morals, why do you think Iehova gave the laws to them? You see, if Iehova did not love all of his creations equally, then everything in the Hebrew Scriptures would be changed, and so would the modern day world.
I believe that the radicals on both sides of this argument should settle to become Kosher, though they don't have to become Jewish for this to happen. It is only logical that you must eat meat, but the animal cruelty point of views cannot be completely forgotten, so eating meat killed through certain laws that regulate against cruelty would be the ultimate compromise.
I had been a vegetarian my whole life and will remain to be so. Infact in India many ppl are vegetarians and I like it that way only. I dont have any grudge for those who are not. Its a matter of personal choice. And those who say being a vegetarian means u should be thin, should see me
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| yeck i hate vegetables i only eat raw carrots and mashed potatoes |
Thats cuz in your country not many varieties are available in case of vegetarian food. You should come to India once it's a nice idea to save the animals. and cruelty is a pretty popular trait to discourage. but i'm curious how far you take it?
swearing off meat is one thing. but what about eggs? that sort of paralells the abortion debate. both eggs and milk involve 'exploiting' animals, no matter how nicely it's done. you recognize the animals right to life, but how about liberty and persuit of happiness?
and have you given last rights to all your assorted leather goods and buried them in the back yard? it wouldn't make much sense to deny yourself beef on ethical grounds and then consume it's by-product.
and there is always the question of a plants right to life. i don't see much reason to give the right to life only to the animal kingdom but deny it to the other four. except starvation of course...
will you stop driving cars because of the risk of road kill? just think about all those bugs that splatter away their lives on your windshield.
and if you are a pet owner would you enable your cat or dog to deprive other members of animalia of life?
in the end you'll be contributing in some way to the demise of countless individual organisms just by the simple act of living. the only way to stop taking life is to stop living.
so how far do you take it?
I really admire vegitarians for thier ethics, but some do take it a bit too far. Attacking others about thier choice of food is not good. I eat meat. You don't. That probably isn't going to change anytime soon. I'm not going to give up eating meat because it was treated badly before it died. Even though I abhor animal cruelty.
Hi!, I'm new here
I like the meat and the idea to save animals, but a cow is not an animal in danger of extinction. I'd like to save pandas or deers, but I think I never will be a vegetarian.
Except if my doctor says Sometimes i think about that you're saying. But i cant think that i'm just eating greens and beans.. It's a really har thing that vegetarism.. I want to save the animals but at the same time i like meet etc.
Just choose
I am a half vegitarian. I didn't eat meals or fish. But I like Eggs. So I am not killing any animals. Being a vegitarian is better than non-veg. In future life those non-veg es may face many health problems. So in my opinion it is good to become a veg.
I think its awsome! although I do luvvvvvvvv MEAT!!! lol
I think its great that people are saving animals though.
They should think of it as saving Gods great creations. dont yu think?
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I could be wrong on this, but I was told that eggs sold in stores are 'duds,' eggs that would never develop into a chicken. (My mom told me that when I was 7 or 8 because I was afraid the eggs were going to hatch in our refrigerator. ) | Nyizsa wrote: |
I respect animals, and you're right about the "abusement of the system". But I happen to be a meat-lover also. My grandmother has some animals (chicken and pork, mostly), and they are kept well. And they are killed in a "humanic way", if it's not contradictory.
So, I can't imagine my life without meat. And an other quote (from I don't know who):
If God wanted us to be vegetarians, he wouldn't have made animals of meat. |
Excellent quote there, I feel the same way. I love a good medium-rare steak & I dont see any way that my love for them could ever end. So, I pretty much don't even acknowledge vegetarianism as an option.
Hi,
This Is supposed to be my 100th post. and i couldnt think a better topic than this one.
I am jain by religion and we Jains Are Vegetarians. THis Is a Small Article Which I Think Can Provide Scientific and religious reason for being vegetarian.
i would think my life worth if i can even convert one non veg person into a vegetarian.
There are two important reasons for adopting vegetarianism. Many people are vegetarians because of their religious beliefs. Others are vegetarians because a vegetarian diet is good for health.
Jains are vegetarians because they believe in nonviolence. Violence means to kill or injure, to be angry or be greedy, to engage in self-torture, to be intolerant, not listening to what other people are saying, etc. If we do not take proper care of our body and mind, we are committing violence of self. A vegetarian diet is natural and better for our health as described below. Thus vegetarianism helps us avoid violence of self.
Vegetarians do not eat meat, poultry or fish. There are three kinds of vegetarians, based on their attitude to milk and eggs. Vegans do not take eggs or milk. Lacto's do not eat eggs but they do drink milk. Lacto-ovo's eat eggs and drink milk. Jains are lacto's.
Here are some health reasons why some people don't eat meat:
1. To protect their heart.
Animal fat and high cholesterol diet may set a stage for heart disease. In some places where very little fat is eaten, the death rate from heart disease is lower than in other places.
2. To reduce the risk of cancer.
Animal fat and cholesterol have been linked to some forms of cancer such as the cancer of colon, breast and uterus. The National Academy of Sciences reported in 1983 that "people may be able to prevent many common cancers by eating less fatty meats and more vegetables and grains." A vegetarian diet also reduces the risk of kidney trouble.
3. To control their weight.
Vegetarian diet is bulky and filling. The caloric value of a six-ounce steak (with its fat) equals that of a whole pound of cooked noodles. Thus most people lose weight when they go on a vegetarian diet. This also reduces the risk of high blood pressure, diabetes and back troubles.
Man is vegetarian by nature. Vegetarian food is more suited to the human body. We do not require animal proteins for strength and energy. A physiological comparison of meat-eater, herbivore and man proves this statement. A meat-eater has claws, has no skin pores and perspires through the tongue. A meat-eater has sharp front teeth for tearing and no flat molars for grinding. The intestinal tract of a meat eater is only three times his body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass out quickly. A meat-eater has strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat. A herbivore has no claws and perspires through skin pores. He does not have sharp front teeth and has flat rear molars. His intestinal tract is about ten times the body length, and stomach acid, twenty times less strong than meat-eaters. A man has no claws, perspires through skin pores, has no sharp front teeth and has flat rear molars. The intestinal tract of a man is twelve times his body length, and stomach acid, twenty times less strong than meat-eaters. Once within the stomach, meat requires digestive juices high in hydrochloric acid. A man's stomach does not have it. Another important fact is that our intestinal tract is too long where food is further digested and nutrients are passed into the blood. The putrefaction of meat in our long intestinal tract produces poisonous wastes . That is why meat must be eliminated from our diet.
The basic foods in a vegetarian diet are: cereals, grains, bread, nuts, beans, seeds, fruits and vegetables. Most vegetable proteins are incomplete and most animal proteins are complete. Our bodies require complete proteins to function properly. So vegetarians combine vegetable proteins in a way that makes them complete. Two or more vegetables and grains, nuts,etc., having incomplete proteins, can be combined in a meal to form complete proteins. Here are three simple ways to do it:
1. Combine legumes (dried peas, beans, lentils) with grains (barley, wheat, rice, rye).
2. Combine legumes with nuts and seeds.
3. Combine milk products with any vegetable protein.
If we practice vegetarianism, we will be able to satisfy our religious beliefs and also maintain our health
I will be posting more on vegetarian next time.
I eat meat, but I am perfectly fine that other people dont....It's perfectly free choise! I am not a vegetarian because I like a meat but i eat only chiken 
but only few per month so that i don't kill so much of animals.I never eat
fish or something like that because i dont like it | leftofcenter wrote: |
| I could be wrong on this, but I was told that eggs sold in stores are 'duds,' eggs that would never develop into a chicken. (My mom told me that when I was 7 or 8 because I was afraid the eggs were going to hatch in our refrigerator. ) |
Yes, eggs coming from a chicken farm are infertile, since there are no roosters (or they can't reach the hens - which is alone a form of cruelty!). But eggs you buy from village people are likely to be fertile. So, put it in a hot place for 21 days, and see what happens!
To statusfashions:
I think milk contains more fat than any kind of meat, since it is intended to feed the young animal, who needs a lot of energy, protein and other stuff. What you described is a nice way to live, but I don't think it's so important to change other people. I am a meat-lover myself, but I respect vegetarians (even if I don't understand them). So I also expect other people not to tell me what to eat.
And for all of you who liked my previous quote, here's an other one:
I could live much longer if I didn't eat meat, didn't drink alcohol, didn't smoke, didn't chase women, but what for?really meat isnt made for us its rumoured that its the same with milk thats its not really good for you as its not mae for humans i was sshocked when i heard it as a nutritionist told me.
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| ould be wrong on this, but I was told that eggs sold in stores are 'duds,' eggs that would never develop into a chicken. (My mom told me that when I was 7 or 8 because I was afraid the eggs were going to hatch in our refrigerator. |
As the person said before, store bought eggs are eggs that have not been fertilized. Human eggs that have not been fertilized = menstration. Hence, eating a chicken egg is the equivalent of eating someone's period.
Or, so I've been told. I respect vegetarians, but I think that I can be one of them. I like so much beef, lamb, fish... I can't turn vegetatian.
However, the middle is the best. Eat alot of vegetables and less red meat to be healthy.
A lot of people who switch to vegetarianism for health reasons end up unhealthy and undernourished. Animal products contain a lot of amino acids and nutrients the human body needs which are often hard to get in sufficient qualities.
Of course it's easy to rememedy this problem with careful diet or with the help of multivitamins etc. However, that doesn't change the fact that vegetarianism is not in and of itself healthier.
Meat with moderation is healthy.
Judging from how much people are repeating stuff that's already been said, it sounds like you're not reading each other's posts.
As i agree with many of your guys opionions and thoughts as well as morals i have to eat my meat.
I mean who could live without a juicy hanburger or steak everyonce in a while? Thats the circle of life and the foodchain!! you not eating certain animals and meat or whatever is not going to stop the next animal up from eating it so whats the difference? Politically, ethically, and morally, I agree with vegetarianism.
However, if you had tasted one of my friends curries which she concocts entirely without meat you would understand why I am loathed to give up the pleasures of flesh. he
I'm not a vegetarian, but I don't like the taste of red meat. Except in Spaghetti sauce !
I very much like chicken though, and recently I started eating fish to improve my health.
Although I am against cruelty made to the animals, I think that meat is an important part in one's alimentation. However, I did find somewhere that a typical american eats 3 times more meat than required, and that could lead to health problems, such as obesity. A meat portion is as small as a deck of card, and you should always respect this ratio in your plate:
1/3 of meat, proteins
2/3 of vegetables.
Well here's a post i can get my teeth stuck into!!
I'm a vegetarian, let me clarify that a bit though, i believe we are biologically designed to eat meat, fair point, i like meat and i have killed and eaten rabbits, fish and other small edible animals, my great grandfather owned a butchers where i regularly used to play tricks with turkey heads, I now only eat free range organic eggs and use organic milk, i also buy all of my produce like fruit vegetables and cheese from a local market sourced from mostly within wales, rather than a supermarket, i also buy seasonal foods in season and cook appropriately (not that i'm all that good at that bit!!).
This is why, i think that global food suply chains cannot cope with the population as it is, demand far outstrips suply, you only have to look at Niger and much of central Africa to see what i mean, but why is this your problem your from Europe/America/Other generalised 'Western/Developed' country? And how does vegetarianism fit in? Well first of all it just is, deal with it. and second of all fruit, vegetables, grains and cereals are all primary producers, they take nutrients directly from the soil and use the suns energy to make food (complex carbs), We can then eat these plants and then extract nutrition from them ourselves (we are secondary producers for this reason), this is a very efficient system producing little waste, the problem when you introduce livestock like cattle or sheep for food is that the quantity of primary producers (plants) needed to feed to the secondary producers (animals) to provide the same energy as simply eating the primary producers is proportionately massive. this is because there is so much invested in a cow for such a comparatively small return, remember that a plant doesn't need to develop complicated bone structures and masses of internal organs.
And if you eat exotic fruit and veg, and i just mean food thats come from the 'developing' world, then the pollution caused on your behalf in freight is horiffic, in the US an average meal travels around 1,500 miles. Besides your probably causing poor farmers to be pushed off their land and massive biodiversity loss hundreds of miles away. If it came from nearby you'd care alot more!! Einstein once said something about us not being able to call ourselves civilised until every person has the same advantages, i agree with him!
So don't send €£$ every month to some aid charity, become a responsable con
