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| WCAX wrote: | Burlington, Vermont -- January 4, 2005
There was outrage Wednesday when a Vermont judge handed out a 60-day jail sentence to a man who raped a little girl many,many times over a four-year span starting when she was seven.
The judge said he no longer believes in punishment and is more concerned about rehabilitation. |
WTF?!?!
Is it me or is there something wrong with this??
The judge needs some "rehabilitation".
| horseatingweeds wrote: | | The judge needs some "rehabilitation". |
yeah, like an angry mob marching on the courthouse with picks and torches... 
I hope it does not stop there.
How about rehabilitation for the rapist and punishment for the judge.
Grace is important, but punishment is necessary for learning.
It depends on the type of punishment.
They should implement caning... this will scare people off.
I am from singapore..get it....
thats retarded... is it really the judges decision if punishment or rehabilitation is more important?
| Quote: | I hope it does not stop there.
How about rehabilitation for the rapist and punishment for the judge. |
I agree.
There's worse.
In Saudi Arabia a girl got a few hundred lashes because SHE was raped ( the idea of the judgement was that she had been provocative, and was therefore in the wrong )
Mind boggling.
[quote="i_am_mine"] | Quote: | | In Saudi Arabia a girl got a few hundred lashes because SHE was raped ( the idea of the judgement was that she had been provocative, and was therefore in the wrong ) |
Apparently the Saudi judges are over achievers in the area of rehabilitation. Jeeeeeez steal an apple loose an are. A cherry……..
best thing is to chop it off and feed it to him 
and do it in public 
It's looks like the Judge scare if he rape another child again 
As absolutely awful as it may sound, sometimes punishment is not the answer.
To this judge, the thinking could be this:
Sentence a man to 20 years in prison. He gets out in ten for good behavior. Gets out of jail and rapes 10 children.
Sentence the man to 60-days with an intensive rehabilitation program that WORKS. Gets out of jail and rapes NO ONE.
Now, this scenario would only work in a perfect world. Most times rehabilitation does not work, but as well there are studies that show that just punishment time does not work either.
The answer should be a marriage between the two- strict punishment as well as rehabilitation.
In general, the man's actions make me sick and I wish that he had received more stringent punishmnet, but if rehabilitation is going to keep the man from hurting any more girls, then that punishment fits.
| bewald wrote: |
To this judge, the thinking could be this:
Sentence a man to 20 years in prison. He gets out in ten for good behavior. Gets out of jail and rapes 10 children.
Sentence the man to 60-days with an intensive rehabilitation program that WORKS. Gets out of jail and rapes NO ONE. |
| Quote: | | a man who raped a little girl many,many times over a four-year span |
thats absolutely insane. if he was cultivating marijuana , he'd get 20 years or worse.
the law , in many countries , is warped.. crimes that are of a NON CONSENT nature , such as say...rape , murder , incest etc....are the worst crimes , and crimes of a PERSONAL nature...such as your personal choice of lifestyle , ie you smoke marijuana....etc , these are not crimes , these are your civil liberties...and how a violent rapist gets a 4 year suspended sentence is beyond me , and a long haired marijuana nerd gets a lifetime locked up with animals and sociopaths....it has to change. and the judges who enforce these laws are criminals in their own right.
back to the topic , rapists/paedophiles should be executed without even a seconds thought. really , life is not precious enough to preserve the life of vile abhorration such as that. whats more , we shouldnt even worry ourselves thinking about it.....
seriously , and i dont mean to execute them as a deterrant , because the fact is most sociopaths are on a crash course to their own demise anyways....death is not a deterrant to them.....by executing them , my only intent is to cease their poison and take out the trash
That’s dandy until the innocent is accused.
ya i mentioned the innocent. the genja peoples.
and besides , are you assuming an accusation would be enough to establish guilt ? Come on. if you want to make a point , make a point...dont just throw a spanner in the machine
You know in the least punishment for this crime is "execution", but the crime rate does not fall ,but goin up.
This kind of punishment will not have effect , because these persons are mentally wrong.
im nor sure if you are disagreeing with me , but i agree with you. It was never my point to suggest executing them will solve the problem. Death , like you say , is not a deterant to this vile people. My only intention in execution is to get rid of them. Put an end to their violent fantasy. Get rid of the trash.
In the mean time, some bleeding hearts can run and finance their own scheme to try and prevent it from happening , thats their perogative , but in the state of somnific , guilty rapists get the axe , swift and fast.
I agree that punishment isnt always the answer to crimes, but when it comes rape and things like that, i think they should jsut get locked up n throw away the key. Its just sick. Other crimes i can see how teaching them about new ways can help them rather than punishment. But not for this.
Thats outrageous, somewhere akin to sentancing a person to 40 hours of community service for double homocide, and definately not a strong message at all. It angers anybody
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| Quote: | Rapist's Prison Sentence Triggers Outrage
Burlington, Vermont -- January 4, 2005
There was outrage Wednesday when a Vermont judge handed out a 60-day jail sentence to a man who raped a little girl many,many times over a four-year span starting when she was seven.
The judge said he no longer believes in punishment and is more concerned about rehabilitation.
Prosecutors argued that confessed child-rapist Mark Hulett, 34, of Williston deserved at least eight years behind bars for repeatedly raping a littler girl countless times starting when she was seven.
But Judge Edward Cashman disagreed explaining that he no longer believes that punishment works.
"The one message I want to get through is that anger doesn't solve anything. It just corrodes your soul," said Judge Edward Cashman speaking to a packed Burlington courtroom. Most of the on-lookers were related to a young girl who was repeatedly raped by Mark Hulett who was in court to be sentenced.
The sex abuse started when the girl was seven and ended when she was ten. Prosecutors were seeking a sentence of eight to twenty years in prison, in part, as punishment.
"Punishment is a valid purpose," Chittenden Deputy Prosecutor Nicole Andreson argued to Judge Edward Cashman.
"The state recognizes that the court may not agree or subscribe to that method of sentencing but the state does. The state thinks that it is a very important factor for the court to consider," Andreson added.
But Judge Cashman explained that he is more concerned that Hulett receive sex offender treatment as rehabilitation. But under Department of Corrections classification, Hulett is considered a low-risk for re-offense so he does not qualify for in-prison treatment.So the judge sentenced him to just 60 days in prison and then Hulett must complete sex treatment when he gets out or face a possible life sentence.
Judge Cashman also also revealed that he once handed down stiff sentences when he first got on the bench 25 years ago, but he no longer believes in punishment.
"I discovered it accomplishes nothing of value;it doesn't make anything better;it costs us a lot of money; we create a lot of expectation, and we feed on anger,"Cashman explained to the people in the court.
The sentence outraged the victim's family who asked not to be identified.
"I don't like it," the victim's mother,in tears, told Channel 3. "He should pay for what he did to my baby and stop it here. She's not even home with me and he can be home for all this time, and do what he did in my house," she added.
Hulett -- who had been out on bail-- was taken away to start his sentence immediately.
Brian Joyce - Channel 3 News |
What is going on with the courts in this country!? The Judge should have gotten more time than that just for sentencing that (alleged) pervert!
in finland we have trouble with our law system, few months ago there was a father who sexually abused his children, his sentence was half a year.. Few weeks after that a girl wrote a book about graffitis and got caught drawing graffitis to walls it so she got a 3year sentence.. :O
Ah, yes, once again the justice system has failed. Perhaps there were extenuating circumstances that the news media "forgot?"
| bewald wrote: | As absolutely awful as it may sound, sometimes punishment is not the answer.
To this judge, the thinking could be this:
Sentence a man to 20 years in prison. He gets out in ten for good behavior. Gets out of jail and rapes 10 children.
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Yeah, but for 20 years he is not a threat to society and rapes NO children ... sex crimes have a high rate of recidivism, so I think lengthy incarcerations are better.
Personally, I think that Samuel Jackson's character in "A Time to Kill" had the right idea ...
The Judge is a whole other topic for discussion ... Way too many Judges are into Judicial Activism and LEGISLATING from the bench. That is is NOT their job ... their job is to enforce the laws, and not make them. The sooner that we wake up to that fact and hold Judges accountable, the sooner this type of insanity stops.
Looks like the Judge decided he didn't like the judicial system (because it doesn't allow rehab during incarceration), and took it upon himself to protest it by letting this ****** go (basically) free.
He's not there to impose his feelings or beliefs, he's there to impose justice. The punishment must fit the crime.
IMNSHO, it is not enough to remove him from the bench, he should be put in jail.
| S3nd K3ys wrote: | Looks like the Judge decided he didn't like the judicial system (because it doesn't allow rehab during incarceration), and took it upon himself to protest it by letting this ******* go (basically) free.
He's not there to impose his feelings or beliefs, he's there to impose justice. The punishment must fit the crime.
IMNSHO, it is not enough to remove him from the bench, he should be put in jail. |
Come on now K3ys, we musn't be too cynical ... we need consider the his feelings ... I mean ... why did this man commit this crime ... it's not his fault ... he is the victim ... society caused him to commit to do this .... therefore we need to understand his feelings ... and help to feel better about himself ... we can't be too hard on him ...
| damj wrote: | | S3nd K3ys wrote: | Looks like the Judge decided he didn't like the judicial system (because it doesn't allow rehab during incarceration), and took it upon himself to protest it by letting this ******* go (basically) free.
He's not there to impose his feelings or beliefs, he's there to impose justice. The punishment must fit the crime.
IMNSHO, it is not enough to remove him from the bench, he should be put in jail. |
Come on now K3ys, we musn't be too cynical ... we need consider the his feelings ... I mean ... why did this man commit this crime ... it's not his fault ... he is the victim ... society caused him to commit to do this .... therefore we need to understand his feelings ... and help to feel better about himself ... we can't be too hard on him ... |
LoL, sarcasm noted, but it seems to be pretty close to the actual liberal policy.
Seams like the first wise decision ever made by a US judge. Placing people in a prison doesn't work for crimes like these. Both rape and being sexually attractive to underaged people are natural, you cannot change someone by putting him in a cell. The only thing would be to keep him or her off the streets and put again back on the streets later.
You should not forget that if someone who gets released out of prison and has commited a rape or murder will do it again in a chance of well over 50%. I don't know the exact statistics, but I thought rape even went over 70%.
If you put someone in rehab, although not completely dissapears, the chance will lower to about 30%. You should not forget that in a well organized state both prisons and mentally correctional facilities in which you perform your rehab are about the same. I don't know how it is in the US, but here it is basically like a prison. If you commited something serious you'll get like 2 years of prison arrest, you did like 18 months of that in pre-arrest since the justice system is slow, you do the last 6 months if the justice system feels like it otherwise you directly go into rehab for like 10 years.
During the first 7 years of rehab you are not allowed to exit the facillity, during the last several years you can start working on getting back into the community.
I don't know exactly for rape, but for murder the chance of performing the crime again dropped to like 20% with rehab, so in comparrison to prison rehab is much more effective.
Well, not that it matters much in the US anyways, they would simply give someone the chair for murder and once number 1000 should get the chair they become all hypocrit and want to give the guy grace, now when the justice system is trying to do his best becoming civilized they're whining again since the guy didn't get sent to prison for the rest of his life this time.
Btw, rehab is a more seviere punishment anyways, ppl which are in rehab and which have been in prison as well prefer prison due to more 'freedom'  . Guess a camera on you like all day and having to take medication about 4 times a day and such to basically get brainwashed isn't appreciated that much, at least where I live.
| S3nd K3ys wrote: | | LoL, sarcasm noted, but it seems to be pretty close to the actual liberal policy. |
Nowadays ... everybody is a victim ...  ... or wants to be so that they don't have to take responsibility ... for anything
| DX-Blog wrote: | | Seams like the first wise decision ever made by a US judge. Placing people in a prison doesn't work for crimes like these. |
Yikes. 
Got kids?
| Quote: | | You should not forget that if someone who gets released out of prison and has commited a rape or murder will do it again in a chance of well over 50%. I don't know the exact statistics, but I thought rape even went over 70%. |
I wonder what percentage of child rapists don't make it out of prison alive?
I don't know if this is the same in the US, but where I come from, most of the judges in the higher courts are "Experienced" - that usually means they're all pushing 70. They're so out of touch with the rest of the world it's unreal. They're paid absolutely loads so they don't know what life is like for the average citizen. A case like this comes along and maybe doesn't look quite as serious as the last rape case he saw in his court room.... less violence, or whatever he uses to justify it. "Ok, prison didn't work, so let's try to rehabilitate you"
Utterly ridiculous. I think the core of the problem with the justice system is the judges. Juries should be involved in sentencing too - they should have a list of maximum and minimum sentences available, and their thoughts should be heard on the matter. If it's not a jury trial, a panel of judges and lawyers should decide.
For one (old) man to decide the punishment for a truly awful crime like this is insufficient.
| Animal wrote: | | they should have a list of maximum and minimum sentences available, |
Jessica's Law is working on that very thing.
| S3nd K3ys wrote: | | DX-Blog wrote: | | Seams like the first wise decision ever made by a US judge. Placing people in a prison doesn't work for crimes like these. |
Yikes.
Got kids?
| Quote: | | You should not forget that if someone who gets released out of prison and has commited a rape or murder will do it again in a chance of well over 50%. I don't know the exact statistics, but I thought rape even went over 70%. |
I wonder what percentage of child rapists don't make it out of prison alive? |
No, I don't have kids, but you appearantly didn't read it correctly.
If someone gets placed in rehab they are still locked up. They aren't playing in the local petting farm or playground with the 5 y/o's. It just aint prison so instead they are getting overdosed with drugs and mental treatment.
As for a second thing, murder is never a good thing. Whether the state does it or some other guy, it just shouldn't happen. Taking someone's life is injustice and weak. And whether the guy would be killed wouldn't change anything for the victim anyways.
And on a sidenote: Your remark about wondering how many child rapists would enter the prison alive just shows how crappy the justice system currently is. Sorry to say this, but if the jail guards would not prevent a murder from happening within a prison then the system just aint capable of doing it's job.
| DX-Blog wrote: |
No, I don't have kids, but you appearantly didn't read it correctly.
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| DX-Blog wrote: | | Seams like the first wise decision ever made by a US judge. Placing people in a prison doesn't work for crimes like these. |
Yeah. I think I read it correctly. Perhaps you worded it wrong?
| S3nd K3ys wrote: | | DX-Blog wrote: |
No, I don't have kids, but you appearantly didn't read it correctly.
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| DX-Blog wrote: | | Seams like the first wise decision ever made by a US judge. Placing people in a prison doesn't work for crimes like these. |
Yeah. I think I read it correctly. Perhaps you worded it wrong? |
Prison aint rehab, so I worded it right. There's a difference between being in prison and being inprisoned or basically locked up. Appearantly rehab is something new to the US, but if the US enforces this in a similar way as European countries the guy will still be locked up and technically for the US citizen there will be no difference.
The only difference is that the statistically it will be cheaper, at least here. Dunno how that would be in the US, but the prison terms here in general were longer than time for rehab, although rehab costed more on a yearly basis. Without rehab though more people returned into committing a similar crime and therefore costed even more money by serving more years in prison. Rehab cheapened things up pretty much, also statistically seeing it lowers the amount of prison population in total.
| DX-Blog wrote: | | S3nd K3ys wrote: | | DX-Blog wrote: |
No, I don't have kids, but you appearantly didn't read it correctly.
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| DX-Blog wrote: | | Seams like the first wise decision ever made by a US judge. Placing people in a prison doesn't work for crimes like these. |
Yeah. I think I read it correctly. Perhaps you worded it wrong? |
Prison aint rehab, so I worded it right. There's a difference between being in prison and being inprisoned or basically locked up. Appearantly rehab is something new to the US, but if the US enforces this in a similar way as European countries the guy will still be locked up and technically for the US citizen there will be no difference.
The only difference is that the statistically it will be cheaper, at least here. Dunno how that would be in the US, but the prison terms here in general were longer than time for rehab, although rehab costed more on a yearly basis. Without rehab though more people returned into committing a similar crime and therefore costed even more money by serving more years in prison. Rehab cheapened things up pretty much, also statistically seeing it lowers the amount of prison population in total. |
Ok. Great. Rehabs fine, AFTER he does a justified prison sentence. That poor kid will be affected for life, as will that kid's family. The punishment, in this country, must fit the crime.
(BTW, I heard they're considering re-sentancing him)
ANYONE who has sex with a minor INCLUDING ANOTHER MINOR IS GUILTY OF STATUTORY RAPE
Why is there a sociatal permissiveness of that kind of rape????????
| S3nd K3ys wrote: | | DX-Blog wrote: | | S3nd K3ys wrote: | | DX-Blog wrote: |
No, I don't have kids, but you appearantly didn't read it correctly.
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| DX-Blog wrote: | | Seams like the first wise decision ever made by a US judge. Placing people in a prison doesn't work for crimes like these. |
Yeah. I think I read it correctly. Perhaps you worded it wrong? |
Prison aint rehab, so I worded it right. There's a difference between being in prison and being inprisoned or basically locked up. Appearantly rehab is something new to the US, but if the US enforces this in a similar way as European countries the guy will still be locked up and technically for the US citizen there will be no difference.
The only difference is that the statistically it will be cheaper, at least here. Dunno how that would be in the US, but the prison terms here in general were longer than time for rehab, although rehab costed more on a yearly basis. Without rehab though more people returned into committing a similar crime and therefore costed even more money by serving more years in prison. Rehab cheapened things up pretty much, also statistically seeing it lowers the amount of prison population in total. |
Ok. Great. Rehabs fine, AFTER he does a justified prison sentence. That poor kid will be affected for life, as will that kid's family. The punishment, in this country, must fit the crime.
(BTW, I heard they're considering re-sentancing him) |
Define a justified prison sentence.... Since here rehab and prison come down to pretty much the same besides that rehab is on a higher security watch, prisoners have less privacy and less freedom.
In prison you can still get visitors pretty frequently and such as well, whilst in rehab that is pretty much out of the question.
So why would prison be more justified? It's about the person being locked up isn't it? So who the hell cares in which type of building it is, if one offers a better chance of the person getting back normally into society that's just nice.
The way you're making it sound is as if the mentally insane are walking freely around in the US and prison is the only thing in which people are actually getting their freedom taken away.
| gonzo wrote: | ANYONE who has sex with a minor INCLUDING ANOTHER MINOR IS GUILTY OF STATUTORY RAPE
Why is there a sociatal permissiveness of that kind of rape????????
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So if two minors, people under the age of 16 or under the age of 13? Ah well, dunno what is taken as a minor there. If two of these would have sex with eachother they would have raped eachother?  .
Or would there be sexism involved and the guy would have raped the girl. Would wonder then how it would be in case of gaysexual people, would the penetrator have raped the penetratee?
| DX-Blog wrote: | | S3nd K3ys wrote: | | DX-Blog wrote: | | S3nd K3ys wrote: | | DX-Blog wrote: |
No, I don't have kids, but you appearantly didn't read it correctly.
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| DX-Blog wrote: | | Seams like the first wise decision ever made by a US judge. Placing people in a prison doesn't work for crimes like these. |
Yeah. I think I read it correctly. Perhaps you worded it wrong? |
Prison aint rehab, so I worded it right. There's a difference between being in prison and being inprisoned or basically locked up. Appearantly rehab is something new to the US, but if the US enforces this in a similar way as European countries the guy will still be locked up and technically for the US citizen there will be no difference.
The only difference is that the statistically it will be cheaper, at least here. Dunno how that would be in the US, but the prison terms here in general were longer than time for rehab, although rehab costed more on a yearly basis. Without rehab though more people returned into committing a similar crime and therefore costed even more money by serving more years in prison. Rehab cheapened things up pretty much, also statistically seeing it lowers the amount of prison population in total. |
Ok. Great. Rehabs fine, AFTER he does a justified prison sentence. That poor kid will be affected for life, as will that kid's family. The punishment, in this country, must fit the crime.
(BTW, I heard they're considering re-sentancing him) |
Define a justified prison sentence.... |
How about 10 years for every year he raped her?
| Quote: | | So why would prison be more justified? It's about the person being locked up isn't it? So who the hell cares in which type of building it is, if one offers a better chance of the person getting back normally into society that's just nice. |
Rehab centers are more like convolescent homes with marginal security.
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The way you're making it sound is as if the mentally insane are walking freely around in the US and prison is the only thing in which people are actually getting their freedom taken away. |
Basically, yes. Besides, if the guy spent more time in prison, Bubba could have his way with him more. Turn-about's fair play.
The way you're making it sound, it's ok for an adult to stick his dick (repeatedly over the course of YEARS) in a minor, without said minor's consent, and not be punished for it.
Sorry, but that's against the law in my country.
Lol, see the point, your country is crap and keeps the mentally insane people locked up behind a wooden bar instead of a high security institution . That is not my fault nor the fault of my country, but the fault of yours for never having invested in alternative possibilities.
And if you think I'm making it sound like it's ok for an adult to stick his dick in a minor you're having some reading problems , I described pretty well how rehab institutes are in my country, it should have been pretty clear that that is not the case.
| DX-Blog wrote: | | your country is crap |
:3rd Grade Childish Behavior:
I'm not sure what country you're from, but I bet our Girl Scouts could kick your army's ass.
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| S3nd K3ys wrote: | I bet our Girl Scouts could kick your army's ***.
:/3rd Grade Childish Behavior: |
they'd have to get off their ass first... and that would probably be a first
| S3nd K3ys wrote: | | DX-Blog wrote: | | your country is crap |
:3rd Grade Childish Behavior:
I'm not sure what country you're from, but I bet our Girl Scouts could kick your army's ***.
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That's the only thing your country is good at, fight wars . Besides that it's one big shithole, which actually are currently asking the assistance of my country on how to protect them from the seas. You guys might win wars against others since you have the numbers, but when it comes to beating nature you guys still have a lot to learn .
Whilst our army can sit nice and dry your army has to go save ppl floating around after an entire city vanished away .
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| DX-Blog wrote: |
That's the only thing your country is good at, fight wars . Besides that it's one big shithole, which actually are currently asking the assistance of my country on how to protect them from the seas. You guys might win wars against others since you have the numbers, but when it comes to beating nature you guys still have a lot to learn .
Whilst our army can sit nice and dry your army has to go save ppl floating around after an entire city vanished away .
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The US is also pretty good at feeding over half the world, finding most of the antibiotics for your natural bacteria, providing the world with “current” i.e. “US” technology, providing aid to countries in crisis, and making all the cool movies. Not just bailing you brownies out when your aggressive neighbors finally realize how “neutral”, “pacifist”, and committed to “dialog and negotiation before action” you are.
Little countries complaining about the US is like adulterants complaining about the police.
ya, your corporations also TEST their new drugs out on unwitting 'brownies', breaking all the WHO fundamental rules of medical practice. ala pfizer , who are still being dragged through the courts over such a case. for the people who SURVIVED their experimentation that is, albeit with serious bone problems. Did you know that , according to the WHO if you are being treated with a drug, and it has no effect, you are supposed to be treated with a different drug or method. Pfizer test their drugs out on impoverished nations, and when there are no positive results they keep using the drug. Causing deaths and excruciatingly painful life for the survivers - who are lead to believe they are going to be treated for meningitis with the KNOWN drug used effectively to combat it, yet calously pfizer denies them the use of that drug and only wishes to 'beta' test their new product so that they can sell it for huge profits. Of course, pfizer wanted the court case to be processed in nigeria , where they could buy there way out of trouble. Thankfully theres some good lawyers on the case and they are insisting its tried in the USA as a human rights case.
as for the rest of your handouts, theres no such thing as a free lunch - not with you hyenas. and its your nation and the WTO heavily influenced by your nation that keeps these people impoverished in the first place. you give your loans and your aid, but your banks end up buying and privatising everything from the education, health and medicine to the use of water.
-spit-
| anathematic wrote: | ya, your corporations also TEST their new drugs out on unwitting 'brownies', breaking all the WHO fundamental rules of medical practice. ala pfizer , who are still being dragged through the courts over such a case. for the people who SURVIVED their experimentation that is, albeit with serious bone problems. Did you know that , according to the WHO if you are being treated with a drug, and it has no effect, you are supposed to be treated with a different drug or method. Pfizer test their drugs out on impoverished nations, and when there are no positive results they keep using the drug. Causing deaths and excruciatingly painful life for the survivers - who are lead to believe they are going to be treated for meningitis with the KNOWN drug used effectively to combat it, yet calously pfizer denies them the use of that drug and only wishes to 'beta' test their new product so that they can sell it for huge profits. Of course, pfizer wanted the court case to be processed in nigeria , where they could buy there way out of trouble. Thankfully theres some good lawyers on the case and they are insisting its tried in the USA as a human rights case.
as for the rest of your handouts, theres no such thing as a free lunch - not with you hyenas. and its your nation and the WTO heavily influenced by your nation that keeps these people impoverished in the first place. you give your loans and your aid, but your banks end up buying and privatising everything from the education, health and medicine to the use of water.
-spit- |
Ummmm, could you throw us a quote or link or something, otherwise your only going to sound like a ranter or tabloid worshiper.....
| S3nd K3ys wrote: | | bewald wrote: |
To this judge, the thinking could be this:
Sentence a man to 20 years in prison. He gets out in ten for good behavior. Gets out of jail and rapes 10 children.
Sentence the man to 60-days with an intensive rehabilitation program that WORKS. Gets out of jail and rapes NO ONE. |
| Quote: | | a man who raped a little girl many,many times over a four-year span |
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here's the update, from the same site -
| Quote: | | Hulett, 34, who has the mental maturity of a 12- to 14-year-old and an IQ of about 80, pleaded guilty last summer to two counts of aggravated sexual assault and a lesser charge. The crimes occurred while Hulett was a guest in the home of the victim, who was 6 or 7 when the molestation began. |
http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=4361173
The actual charge is of sexual assault on three occasions, not "many, many times".
I know the number of occasions is just a "minor detail" considering the nature of the crime.
But it does not help your "many, many times" argument any.
And combined with the mental state of the accused, perhaps permits more thought to bewald's argument.
| horseatingweeds wrote: | | Ummmm, could you throw us a quote or link or something, otherwise your only going to sound like a ranter or tabloid worshiper..... |
| Quote: | The New York-based company gave the letter to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in 1997 during an audit of records supporting its application to use Trovan for treatment of children during a meningitis epidemic. U.S. regulations require that if a company intends to use foreign medical research to support a drug application, the experiments must be reviewed and formally approved in advance by an ethics committee.
Typed on the letterhead of the Aminu Kano Teaching Hospital and dated March 28, 1996 -- six days before Pfizer's experiment began -- the letter said the hospital ethics committee had reviewed the plan to test Trovan on 100 children with meningitis and found the protocol to be "adequate." The letter gave permission for the test to proceed.
Reached by telephone in Kano last week, Dutse said it was "possible" that the approval letter was drafted up to a year after the trial. Dutse, who was listed as Pfizer's "principal investigator," said he felt that the letter reflected the informal approval he had obtained from three doctors, who reviewed Pfizer's test plans and told him they saw no ethical problems. No records were prepared at the time, he said. |
http://www.essentialdrugs.org/edrug/archive/200101/msg00059.php
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1517171.stm
"Ethics" and an American corporate's name really don't go together well in the same sentence.
And a "brownie" kid's life is definitely cheaper than that of an American.
Where else can American companies test their new drugs on humans for such low cost ?
BUT, the fact that they did face a trial shows that the American justice machinery does indeed work.
To what extent, is debatable.
And that is, barring isolated cases of "justice" like the case in the topic.
60 days sentence for a child abuser is NOT justice.
| horseatingweeds wrote: |
Ummmm, could you throw us a quote or link or something, otherwise your only going to sound like a ranter or tabloid worshiper..... |
i dont read tabloids, by the way. And I would have gladly found you a link, as you could have found it yourself actually using any search engine - its not a conspiracy theory.
as for that forged letter of approval pfizer had, well....the establishment that stamped that letter didnt exist when they carried out the experiments in question, it came to light that it was indeed 100% fake. and that they carried out the experiments without any consent. If they didnt produce those forged documents, who knows how it would have turned out. The point is, they dont care - its still cheaper to break laws and pay fines. Even at the cost of unwitting human life. god bless america, horseeatingweeds. thanks so much.
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OMFG...that really is pathetic.
You rape a child, you should be thrown in gaol, key thrown away, no questions asked.
Simple as that.
the rapest should be thown to the wolves and the judge thrown in jail
i have to agree with bigdan
This act is really unforgivable get a hooker for christ sake!!
Can't believe people can go to that extend, those ****** will go down to hell if i were to decide
Don't worry , my lovely's. Me and my angry mob of big and burly men with chainsaws will take care of it.
How old is the judge who passed the sentence anyway and is he or she honest? I mean the judge might not have been in the right frame or mind or in crack to give such ludicrous sentece.
Raping a child and only giving that sentence!!!! ridiculous. But then again should we really judge the judge, maybe the prosecutor did not a do a good job of prosecuting that there was no actual clear decision, or maybe the defendant hired a kick ass lawyer to get him out, maybe all the prosecutor has is heresay.
the judicial may or may not be flawed in these case, it all depends on variables maybe we're not even aware of.
But if the guy did it, well even lifelong imprisonment would not be enough for what he did. I would like to believe in Karma, and he'd get what's coming to him.
| anathematic wrote: | | horseatingweeds wrote: |
Ummmm, could you throw us a quote or link or something, otherwise your only going to sound like a ranter or tabloid worshiper..... |
i dont read tabloids, by the way. And I would have gladly found you a link, as you could have found it yourself actually using any search engine - its not a conspiracy theory.
as for that forged letter of approval pfizer had, well....the establishment that stamped that letter didnt exist when they carried out the experiments in question, it came to light that it was indeed 100% fake. and that they carried out the experiments without any consent. If they didnt produce those forged documents, who knows how it would have turned out. The point is, they dont care - its still cheaper to break laws and pay fines. Even at the cost of unwitting human life. god bless america, horseeatingweeds. thanks so much.
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Your foolish act as if America is a great breaker of human rights. If you want to look at human rights violations I would look to the far and middle east, Africa, and western Europe. Your still just sounding like an angry American hater when you sarcastically write “God bless America”. Indeed, Pfizer may very well be corrupt to the bone like many corporations. Using it as an example of how HORRIBLE America is not very useful for your case.
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