(21:33:24) SSJ100DraGoN: i watched what it did to my sis's comp
(21:33:30) angry fishtank: what it do?
(21:33:39) angry fishtank: let her listen to music?
(21:33:43) angry fishtank: i think thats what it did
(21:33:45) SSJ100DraGoN: basically it made listenign to music overly complicated
(21:33:49) angry fishtank: how?
(21:34:00) angry fishtank: is double-clicking too hard?
(21:34:15) SSJ100DraGoN: you dont wanna hear my points
(21:34:2 SSJ100DraGoN: you just wanna blindly kee pyou head in your ass
(21:34:42) SSJ100DraGoN: and love itunes in butt
(21:34:51) SSJ100DraGoN: its stupid to inore a programs flaws
(21:34:55) SSJ100DraGoN: like itunes
(21:35:01) SSJ100DraGoN: if you KNOW how to use it
(21:35:02) SSJ100DraGoN: its alright
(21:35:05) SSJ100DraGoN: but if not
(21:35:09) SSJ100DraGoN: it can be ver yannoying
(21:35:22) angry fishtank: what flaws?
(21:35:34) angry fishtank: please do tell
(21:35:40) angry fishtank: i've never found a flaw
(21:36:32) SSJ100DraGoN: updateing automatically
(21:36:44) SSJ100DraGoN: hard to manage multiple itunes on the same comp
(21:36:52) angry fishtank: ....
(21:36:57) angry fishtank: why would you have multiple itunes?
(21:37:02) SSJ100DraGoN: to aimed toward make money off the program
(21:37:09) angry fishtank: ??
(21:37:21) angry fishtank: you mean updating versions?
(21:37:32) SSJ100DraGoN: multiple ipods on one itunes
(21:37:35) SSJ100DraGoN: is what im saying
(21:37:37) angry fishtank: oh
(21:37:47) angry fishtank: thats cause most people only have one
(21:38:02) angry fishtank: and thats cause you probably have it set to autofill
(21:38:41) angry fishtank: when you first plug it in (i know cause i just installed my sister's) it asks "do you want you ipod to automatically fill"
(21:39:09) angry fishtank: so now i know why its inconveniencing you
(21:39:13) SSJ100DraGoN: thats not the point
(21:39:17) SSJ100DraGoN: a prgram like that
(21:39:21) SSJ100DraGoN: souldnt be that much effort
(21:39:26) angry fishtank: ...it isn't
(21:39:27) SSJ100DraGoN: my sister has a creative
(21:39:31) angry fishtank: its saying
(21:39:39) angry fishtank: sry you're saying
(21:39:40) SSJ100DraGoN: she downloaded the program
(21:39:41) SSJ100DraGoN: ran it
(21:39:46) angry fishtank: "i hate those programs that do things for you"
(21:39:4 SSJ100DraGoN: put the stuff on her player
(21:39:51) SSJ100DraGoN: and was done
(21:39:53) SSJ100DraGoN: end of story
(21:39:55) angry fishtank: ....as did my sister
(21:40:01) angry fishtank: she got her ipod
(21:40:01) SSJ100DraGoN: makeing a music playing program
(21:40:0 angry fishtank: plugged it in
(21:40:11) SSJ100DraGoN: required to use a mp3 player
(21:40:13) angry fishtank: installed itunes
(21:40:19) angry fishtank: added the music to her ipod
(21:40:20) angry fishtank: done
(21:40:20) SSJ100DraGoN: is a dick move no matter which way you look at it
(21:40:27) angry fishtank: first of all
(21:40:43) angry fishtank: if you look online there are many programs that let you update your ipod
(21:40:4 angry fishtank: 3rd party
(21:40:51) angry fishtank: second of all
(21:41:06) angry fishtank: any marketed mp3 player does it the same
(21:41:26) SSJ100DraGoN: well not all people can download off the internet
(21:41:33) angry fishtank: download what?
(21:41:33) SSJ100DraGoN: not really
(21:41:39) SSJ100DraGoN: my sisters creative doesnt
(21:41:45) angry fishtank: it didn't come with a program
(21:41:47) angry fishtank: ooooh
(21:41:51) SSJ100DraGoN: you CAN play thigns on it
(21:41:56) SSJ100DraGoN: but it no designed too
(21:42:02) angry fishtank: ?
(21:42:1 SSJ100DraGoN: its not*
(21:42:19) angry fishtank: you aren't required to use itunes to listen to music...
(21:42:26) SSJ100DraGoN: nbo
(21:42:34) angry fishtank: hell if you do a quick search online
(21:42:34) SSJ100DraGoN: put you are required to have itunes
(21:42:3 SSJ100DraGoN: but*
(21:42:4 SSJ100DraGoN: to put music on your ipod
(21:42:57) angry fishtank: d;fliajpsdgijaposdjg
(21:42:57) SSJ100DraGoN: not all people can dowenload of the net
(21:43:02) angry fishtank: first of all
(21:43:11) SSJ100DraGoN: somepeople dont have full acsess to there comop
(21:43:16) angry fishtank: creative has a program that allows you to add to your mp3 player
(21:43:1 angry fishtank: second of all
(21:43:23) SSJ100DraGoN: ie parent have adminstrative accounts
(21:43:32) angry fishtank: THEN WHY DO YOU HAVE AN MP3 PLAYER
(21:43:39) angry fishtank: all mp3 players need a computer
(21:43:40) angry fishtank: thats the point
(21:43:44) SSJ100DraGoN: OBV
(21:43:47) SSJ100DraGoN: but my sister
(21:43:52) angry fishtank: what she doesn't have the internet?
(21:43:59) angry fishtank: itunes came on a cd w/ the ipod
(21:44:02) SSJ100DraGoN: doesnt have administrative acsess to ther comp she usues
(21:44:09) angry fishtank: then
(21:44:11) SSJ100DraGoN: thats the point
(21:44:1 angry fishtank: have your parents install it
(21:44:20) SSJ100DraGoN: if you have to use you ipod
(21:44:24) SSJ100DraGoN: you have to use itunes
(21:44:26) SSJ100DraGoN: and yet
(21:44:29) angry fishtank: NO YOU DONT
(21:44:36) SSJ100DraGoN: i tunes is a seperate entitly from the ipod
(21:44:47) angry fishtank: http://www.google.com/search?q=ipod&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
(21:44:52) SSJ100DraGoN: not everone has the option to get things ofline
(21:44:57) angry fishtank: several programs 3rd party to use it
(21:45:04) angry fishtank: so your saying
(21:45:06) SSJ100DraGoN: my sister cant download programs of the net
(21:45:19) SSJ100DraGoN: 3rd could have virus's
(21:45:21) angry fishtank: creative didn't come with a cd w/ a certain program to use her mp3 player?
(21:45:21) SSJ100DraGoN: my point is
(21:45:31) SSJ100DraGoN: you should have to go through that for an mp3 player
(21:45:36) SSJ100DraGoN: yes
(21:45:40) SSJ100DraGoN: but it was only that
(21:45:50) SSJ100DraGoN: itunes is more than that
(21:45:53) SSJ100DraGoN: i na bad way
(21:45:57) angry fishtank: ???
(21:45:5 SSJ100DraGoN: in a non optional way
(21:46:03) angry fishtank: it IS optional
(21:46:10) angry fishtank: its just common sense
(21:46:19) angry fishtank: if you are adding to your ipod library
(21:46:32) angry fishtank: you minus well have the same library available on the program you use to update the ipod
(21:46:53) angry fishtank: and if you don't like the program (which you still haven't explained to me)
(21:46:5 angry fishtank: then you DONT HAVE TO USE IT
(21:47:04) angry fishtank: you can use another program to listen to music
(21:47:12) angry fishtank: which your sister apparently doesn't have
(21:47:2 angry fishtank: so you're complaining that now your sister has a program to listen to music when before she didn't!
(21:47:34) SSJ100DraGoN: no
(21:47:36) SSJ100DraGoN: but its there
(21:47:41) angry fishtank: WHATS THERE
(21:47:42) SSJ100DraGoN: and its intruseive
(21:47:52) SSJ100DraGoN: itunes
(21:47:55) angry fishtank: you still haven't explained how its intrusive
(21:47:5 SSJ100DraGoN: its a music playing program
(21:48:04) angry fishtank: and thats what it does
(21:48:06) SSJ100DraGoN: along with a transfer program
(21:48:09) angry fishtank: it plays music
(21:48:17) SSJ100DraGoN: but thats not all it does
(21:48:23) angry fishtank: what else does it do?
(21:48:27) SSJ100DraGoN: and thats ****** gay
(21:48:34) SSJ100DraGoN: its a transfer program
(21:48:37) angry fishtank: ...
(21:48:44) angry fishtank: listen
(21:48:5 SSJ100DraGoN: fine
(21:49:00) angry fishtank: if you want to put something on your ipod from your music library
(21:49:02) SSJ100DraGoN: but the nyou listen to me
(21:49:39) angry fishtank: wouldn't it be a convenience to have the music library do it rather than having a different program do it
(21:49:54) angry fishtank: all its doing is
(21:49:59) angry fishtank: instead of having to find the file
(21:50:05) angry fishtank: its right there
(21:50:16) SSJ100DraGoN: yes that would be convient
(21:50:21) angry fishtank: then whats the problem?
(21:50:30) SSJ100DraGoN: if the combination was optional
(21:50:37) SSJ100DraGoN: i HAVE to do it that way
(21:50:45) angry fishtank: omg
(21:50:46) SSJ100DraGoN: wit hthe options provided wit hthe player
(21:50:55) angry fishtank: what options does the creative give you?
(21:51:12) SSJ100DraGoN: itunes is forceing your hand
(21:51:23) SSJ100DraGoN: into useing a musicplayer
(21:51:34) SSJ100DraGoN: as a transfer program
(21:51:42) SSJ100DraGoN: which if you chose to is fine
(21:51:46) SSJ100DraGoN: buts its nto a choice
(21:51:50) SSJ100DraGoN: you have to do it that way
(21:51:51) angry fishtank: i'm guessing you have to use what they gave you unless you go out of your way to get something else unless of course you don't have ithe internet in which case you can't use another program since that this other program doesn't exist on your computer
(21:51:56) angry fishtank: GAAAAAH
(21:52:01) SSJ100DraGoN: no
(21:52:05) angry fishtank: do you have a music playing program?
(21:52:13) SSJ100DraGoN: you shouldnt have to go ****** searching
(21:52:16) SSJ100DraGoN: for stuff like that
(21:52:25) SSJ100DraGoN: just to painlessly use something you bought
(21:52:27) angry fishtank: what are you searching for?
(21:52:33) angry fishtank: itunes is painless!
(21:52:40) SSJ100DraGoN: these programs you are talking about
(21:52:43) SSJ100DraGoN: no its not
(21:52:4 SSJ100DraGoN: its invasive
(21:52:57) angry fishtank: YOU STILL HAVEN'T EXPLAIN HOW ITS INVASIVE!
(21:53:00) SSJ100DraGoN: money grubing
(21:53:05) angry fishtank: itunes has no effect on any of my other programs
(21:53:09) SSJ100DraGoN: easyiest one
(21:53:12) angry fishtank: other that now i have music in the background
(21:53:17) SSJ100DraGoN: it resets your default player to it
(21:53:22) angry fishtank: so does winamp
(21:53:27) angry fishtank: so does rhapsody
(21:53:33) angry fishtank: so does wmp
(21:53:3 angry fishtank: so does EVERY OTHER PLAYER!
(21:53:4 SSJ100DraGoN: but there are just players
(21:53:59) SSJ100DraGoN: you download them because you want them
(21:54:00) angry fishtank: i don't have an ipod
(21:54:09) angry fishtank: i downloaded itunes cause i wanted it
(21:54:12) SSJ100DraGoN: yes
(21:54:19) SSJ100DraGoN: so for you i
(21:54:22) SSJ100DraGoN: you*
(21:54:23) SSJ100DraGoN: but
(21:54:29) SSJ100DraGoN: if all someone wants to do
(21:54:33) SSJ100DraGoN: is use there ipod
(21:54:37) SSJ100DraGoN: they cant do that
(21:54:40) angry fishtank: why not
(21:54:41) SSJ100DraGoN: they have to get itunes
(21:54:45) angry fishtank: asdlkrfaKSJFKGASJG
(21:54:53) angry fishtank: if i buy a zen
(21:54:59) angry fishtank: i have to install software
(21:55:02) SSJ100DraGoN: yes
(21:55:02) angry fishtank: to use it
(21:55:0 SSJ100DraGoN: but that software
(21:55:20) SSJ100DraGoN: only ****** puts thigns on your player
(21:55:25) SSJ100DraGoN: thats all its designed to do
(21:55:2 angry fishtank: alright
(21:55:31) SSJ100DraGoN: itunes
(21:55:37) SSJ100DraGoN: is a music player
(21:55:40) angry fishtank: so lets say this mystery player you use is winamp (just for example)
(21:55:45) SSJ100DraGoN: no
(21:55:49) SSJ100DraGoN: it doesnt matter
(21:55:53) SSJ100DraGoN: stop and listen
(21:55:53) angry fishtank: i don't like itunes cause i'm an idiot so i want to use winamp
(21:55:56) angry fishtank: (its jsut a name)
(21:56:00) SSJ100DraGoN: no
(21:56:04) SSJ100DraGoN: stop i listened now you do
(21:56:13) angry fishtank: i'm listening to a song on winamp
(21:56:17) SSJ100DraGoN: dude
(21:56:20) angry fishtank: i wanna put it on my ipod
(21:56:23) SSJ100DraGoN: if you gonna have you head up your ass
(21:56:31) SSJ100DraGoN: im not gonna have a discussion with you
(21:56:34) angry fishtank: now i have to put it on itunes and upload it
(21:56:46) SSJ100DraGoN: you obv not listenign to waht i say
(21:56:49) angry fishtank: whereas
(21:56:52) SSJ100DraGoN: so your ****** wasteing my time
(21:56:53) angry fishtank: w/ creative
(21:56:5 angry fishtank: i'm listening to it on winamp
(21:57:02) angry fishtank: i wanna put it on my zen
(21:57:10) SSJ100DraGoN: dude
(21:57:12) angry fishtank: i open the zen program and put it on there!
(21:57:19) SSJ100DraGoN: shut up for 2 ****** seconds
(21:57:20) angry fishtank: its exactly the same
(21:57:34) SSJ100DraGoN: i lsiten to your point
(21:57:36) angry fishtank: except that w/ itunes it lets you listen to it on the computer
(21:57:39) SSJ100DraGoN: its my ****** turn
(21:57:41) angry fishtank: alright
(21:57:45) SSJ100DraGoN: listen
(21:57:49) angry fishtank: i can't
(21:57:50) SSJ100DraGoN: mp3 player
(21:57:50) angry fishtank: but i'll read it
(21:57:54) SSJ100DraGoN: funny
(21:57:5 SSJ100DraGoN: any mp3 player
(21:58:04) SSJ100DraGoN: comes with soft ware
(21:58:0 angry fishtank: yes
(21:58:16) SSJ100DraGoN: that soft ware is required to but music on the player
(21:58:20) SSJ100DraGoN: put*
(21:58:21) angry fishtank: yes
(21:58:35) SSJ100DraGoN: thats what those programs are designed for
(21:58:44) angry fishtank: alright
(21:58:59) SSJ100DraGoN: there a required, but thats alright because they only do the nesscary thing
(21:59:0 SSJ100DraGoN: of a transfer program
(21:59:12) SSJ100DraGoN: right?
(21:59:13) angry fishtank: okay
(21:59:16) SSJ100DraGoN: now
(21:59:17) SSJ100DraGoN: ipods
(21:59:27) SSJ100DraGoN: require a transfer program
(21:59:31) SSJ100DraGoN: BUT
(21:59:3 SSJ100DraGoN: their transfer programs
(21:59:42) SSJ100DraGoN: prgram*
(21:59:50) SSJ100DraGoN: does more than just transfer
(21:59:5 SSJ100DraGoN: it was designed as a music player
(22:00:06) angry fishtank: and how is that a bad thing?
(22:00:13) SSJ100DraGoN: its not a bad thing
(22:00:19) SSJ100DraGoN: not untill
(22:00:25) SSJ100DraGoN: that extra feature
(22:00:33) SSJ100DraGoN: is non optional
(22:00:40) angry fishtank: omg
(22:00:45) angry fishtank: so you're saying
(22:00:53) angry fishtank: if i have a zen (or any nonipod mp3 player)
(22:00:5 SSJ100DraGoN: yes
(22:01:13) angry fishtank: i can just put mp3s on the player w/o a mp3 player on my comp
(22:01:25) SSJ100DraGoN: no
(22:01:31) angry fishtank: no?
(22:01:34) SSJ100DraGoN: waith
(22:01:37) angry fishtank: lol
(22:01:41) SSJ100DraGoN: you mean a music player
(22:01:44) angry fishtank: yes
(22:01:51) angry fishtank: software
(22:01:53) SSJ100DraGoN: yes you need a music player
(22:01:56) SSJ100DraGoN: but
(22:02:01) SSJ100DraGoN: if your buyign a mp3 player
(22:02:11) angry fishtank: i can put mp3s on my ipod w/o a music playing software
(22:02:12) SSJ100DraGoN: you probably alreadly have one your confortable with
(22:02:15) angry fishtank: *zen
(22:02:21) angry fishtank: okay
(22:02:3 angry fishtank: i hypothetically like rhapsody better than itunes
(22:02:43) angry fishtank: lets say i have a zen
(22:02:56) angry fishtank: i go to the zen transfer program
(22:03:00) angry fishtank: and put the songs on my zen
(22:03:04) angry fishtank: lets say i have an ipod
(22:03:11) angry fishtank: i go to itunes
(22:03:15) angry fishtank: and put the songs on my ipod
(22:03:23) SSJ100DraGoN: now wait
(22:03:27) angry fishtank: i don't see a difference
(22:03:31) SSJ100DraGoN: there is
(22:03:40) SSJ100DraGoN: not in the process or convenence
(22:03:44) SSJ100DraGoN: but in the idea
(22:03:4 SSJ100DraGoN: itunes
(22:03:54) SSJ100DraGoN: is not a transfer program
(22:03:5 angry fishtank: yes it is
(22:04:01) SSJ100DraGoN: its a player that transfers
(22:04:10) SSJ100DraGoN: which is fine
(22:04:12) SSJ100DraGoN: but
(22:04:14) angry fishtank: why do you think they put itunes on windows?
(22:04:21) SSJ100DraGoN: its not optional
(22:04:24) angry fishtank: cause they wanted to sell ipods!
(22:04:25) SSJ100DraGoN: sto[ and listen
(22:04:27) angry fishtank: alright
(22:04:31) SSJ100DraGoN: itunes
(22:04:35) angry fishtank: but i gtg do homework soon
(22:04:43) SSJ100DraGoN: look
(22:04:52) SSJ100DraGoN: transfer programs are not optional
(22:04:57) SSJ100DraGoN: you need them
(22:04:57) angry fishtank: yes
(22:05:00) SSJ100DraGoN: but
(22:05:09) SSJ100DraGoN: if you add something to a transfer program
(22:05:17) angry fishtank: you can use itunes for just transfering
(22:05:21) angry fishtank: it is very easy
(22:05:23) SSJ100DraGoN: and make the whole thing required
(22:05:27) SSJ100DraGoN: its a dick move
(22:05:32) angry fishtank: you don't have to ever press the play button!
(22:05:40) SSJ100DraGoN: cause you basically forceing people to have the extra
(22:05:46) SSJ100DraGoN: it doesnt matter
(22:05:50) angry fishtank: omg
(22:05:54) SSJ100DraGoN: wheter you press the play button or not
(22:05:55) angry fishtank: alright in this zen program
(22:05:59) SSJ100DraGoN: use the player or not
(22:06:06) SSJ100DraGoN: it affect your comp
(22:06:09) angry fishtank: can you play a song in the program?
(22:06:13) SSJ100DraGoN: AND THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE
(22:06:21) angry fishtank: ALRIGHT
(22:06:23) angry fishtank: now
(22:06:33) angry fishtank: how does it effect your comp????
(22:06:40) angry fishtank: you keep saying its effecting your comp
(22:06:45) angry fishtank: when it doesn't
(22:06:4 SSJ100DraGoN: it auto updates
(22:06:5 SSJ100DraGoN: it changes your default player to it
(22:07:07) SSJ100DraGoN: i never wanted i tunes as a player
(22:07:0 angry fishtank: YOU CAN TELL IT YOU DON'T WANT TO
(22:07:12) SSJ100DraGoN: onyl a transfer
(22:07:13) angry fishtank: you can say
(22:07:16) SSJ100DraGoN: but i have to have it there
(22:07:20) angry fishtank: "i don't want to make it my default player"
(22:07:21) SSJ100DraGoN: just because i have an ipod
(22:07:32) SSJ100DraGoN: it shouldnt do that in the first place
(22:07:32) angry fishtank: YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE ZEN SOFTWARE WHEN YOU HAVE A ZEN!
(22:07:42) SSJ100DraGoN: you want itunes to be the player you use
(22:07:51) SSJ100DraGoN: ****** dandy
(22:07:59) SSJ100DraGoN: but what is you dont
(22:08:00) angry fishtank: but you haven't shown a reason why not!
(22:08:04) SSJ100DraGoN: if*
(22:08:11) angry fishtank: its like saying
(22:08:24) angry fishtank: if you live in europe
(22:08:30) angry fishtank: and want to see a relative in america
(22:08:35) angry fishtank: you have to go in america
(22:08:44) angry fishtank: and america has freedom of speech
(22:08:56) angry fishtank: now if i live in say africa
(22:09:15) angry fishtank: by going to visit my relative in america i have to accept the freedom of speech
(22:09:23) angry fishtank: but when i visit my friend in london
(22:09:27) angry fishtank: i don't
(22:09:37) SSJ100DraGoN: i kidna get what your saying
(22:09:43) SSJ100DraGoN: heres the issue
(22:09:49) SSJ100DraGoN: itunes
(22:10:0 SSJ100DraGoN: is not just a transfer
(22:10:11) angry fishtank: ;OPAJG;POASJDFGKJA;WLEGJ
(22:10:13) angry fishtank: LISTEN
(22:10:22) angry fishtank: THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ZEN SOFTWARE AND ITUNES
(22:10:25) angry fishtank: IS AS FOLLOWS
(22:10:45) angry fishtank: ITUNES ORGANIZES ALL THE MUSIC YOU ADD TO YOUR IPOD ON YOUR COMPUTER
(22:11:06) angry fishtank: WHEREAS THE ZEN SOFTWARE JUST ADDS IT
(22:11:36) angry fishtank: "disclaimer:this transfer software organizes you music on your computer as well as your mp3 player"
(22:11:42) angry fishtank: "sorry for the convenience"
(22:11:55) angry fishtank: i wanna use winamp to listen to music
(22:12:00) angry fishtank: no one's ****** stopping me
(22:12:15) SSJ100DraGoN: dude its the ideal of it
(22:12:21) SSJ100DraGoN: if all i want to do
(22:12:23) angry fishtank: what idea?
(22:12:26) SSJ100DraGoN: is put songs on my ipod
(22:12:29) angry fishtank: then you can!
(22:12:35) angry fishtank: there is no reason why you can't do thta
(22:12:40) angry fishtank: the difference is
(22:12:42) SSJ100DraGoN: i shouldnt have a music player shoved down my throat to do so
(22:12:44) angry fishtank: when it opens the file
(22:12:51) SSJ100DraGoN: whter people like it or dont like it
(22:12:52) angry fishtank: it organizes it in to your library
(22:12:57) angry fishtank: if you don't like it
(22:12:5 angry fishtank: fine
(22:13:04) angry fishtank: its just there
(22:13:14) angry fishtank: then you close it just like you close your zen software and you're done
(22:13:24) angry fishtank: you're complaining for no reason
(22:13:32) angry fishtank: you're being angry for the sake of being angry
(22:14:06) SSJ100DraGoN: no im not
(22:14:11) SSJ100DraGoN: listen
(22:14:30) SSJ100DraGoN: they are makeing me download an extra compenent
(22:14:3 SSJ100DraGoN: if i could remove the player part of it
(22:14:40) SSJ100DraGoN: it would be fine
(22:15:02) SSJ100DraGoN: if they provided a seperate program that was just the transfer program i would be fine
(22:15:07) SSJ100DraGoN: but the dont
(22:15:16) SSJ100DraGoN: the force an extra player on you
This is spamming...
People who complain about iTunes are idiots who don't know how to use iTunes. The program is really straight forward and simple. If you can't figure out how to use iTunes you shouldn't be allowed to have a computer, its that simple.
iTunes made people want to buy music again and listen to more musc because they have the space on their ipods.
I give props to whoever even bothered to read that long AIM convo.
I am a heavy user of computers and are more than capable of understanding and using them in many fields, I am the person who everyone I know asks for any help with anything technological. Having said that I will also say i dislike itunes, i dont like its library compared with windows media player, i dont like its lack of support for file types and the need for conversion. The most annoying feature is the fact that you cant have songs in your ipod then take it to someone else computer and add songs, it will erase everything and put only the songs that the other itunes has in it. Sure a good security measure but still, it puts a restraint on practical use, and the majority of people with ipods still use downloaded mp3s so it makes no difference whether or not they are still shared because they are already in circulation.
For those of you that hate iTunes, but love your iPod, check this out, it works awesome, you'll never go back. http://www.winamp.com/plugins/details.php?id=138888
hehe yep i agree too
i read a lot of it, and all i have to say is "omg"
those two people need to get laid. it a sh*t program get over it.
I don't like iTunes for one simple reason: DRM. Oh wait, that's the "store" part. Pretty much integral though. I buy standard CDs and rip them to MP3. I keep them all organized with J. River's Media Center, which has iPod support. And I absolutely love my iPod nano (had a 4Gen iPod previously) so I'm no Apple-hater. Just a DRM-hater.
You can shut auto update off really easily. It's called preferences. Itunes is great. If you open PSPs it will automatically make a playlist for it and when it ripped songs it almost always can find the names of all of them instantly instead of having to do it manually in say windows media. Itunes is for people who want access to their entire library and multiple ways to listen to music. It also has a search in it so you can find any song in your library really easily.
That's funny, I've been building computers from the ground up since my Junior year in high school (7+ years now), have been doing professional level desktop support for 5+ years now, and a little free-lance consulting every now and then.
I'd like to think that I have an idea of what I'm doing on the Windows, Mac, and Linux sides of things.
That being said, iTunes is not a simple solution for things. It's interface is not intuitive, its organization is awkward out of the box, and it never tells you what it's doing in a simple to find manner. The only reason I have it installed on my machines is to have access to various iTunes Music Store exlusives.
For ripping, I use Audiograbber with the Lame MP3 codec, and for transfers I bought Anapod Explorer. It doesn't get simpler than dragging your files,in Windows Explorer, to your device (in this case an iPod). Audiograbber does take some initial setup, but after that it just goes. And with Anapod, I don't have to worry about whether it's changing the genres in my ID3 tags, if it's copying things in the background, or dig through menus to find my album art. I drag and drop, and/or right click and choose properties.
If you couldn't tell... I am not a fan of iTunes by any stretch.
And as for legal music sites... check out http://www.mp3tunes.com . There's no ridiculous DRM schemes to worry about, the audio quality is better than iTMS' (192k vs 128k), and they have a ton more indie and lesser known bands. And to top it off, the site was founded by MP3.com's founder.
Hint: Turn off synchronization. That way you have to manually move songs back and forth.
That's funny, nobody cares about your nerd life. Reread his post (I'm only responding to this btw because he has a similar name to mine)....he was not asking for alternatives to iTunes, or saying it sucks, or saying anything that would merit your long-assed response about how itunes blows and what you use instead of it. While I don't agree with his first sentence, that last statement is absolutely true - you have to be a dumbass not to figure out the program. It's called "double click on music files and watch them appear in your iTunes library" or "go to file>add folder to library" ok wow very complicated program eh. Everything else is in the options menu.
I don't even get why you bother to say "i am not a fan of itunes by any stretch"...it's a freaking free jukebox from a great company. Are you one of those guys who likes to avoid the bandwagon and everything mainstream just because you want to be different? Why bash a free program....just go to sourceforge and start posting about how 90% of the projects on THERE suck. It wasn't asked for, and we don't care about your opinion kthanx. Perhaps had this thread been about alternatives to mainstream shit we would care, but as it stands....
Oh on a lighter note, wise choice on http://www.mp3tunes.com - I love that site.
Edit - seeing as this thread IS about iTunes, care to elaborate on this? Tell me about this "awkwardness" and non-intuitive interface...
I'm sorry, you said something about iTunes?
Wow, you're a bit hostile there bud. Actually, both and you the guy you're supporting. Why not take a deep breath and realize the guy you're suddenly chewing out was actually giving his opinion on the *product* in question and not belittling the *people* that may like or dislike it. He then went on to give examples of alternatives to iTunes that he feels are easier to use. His post was pretty short (compare it to the original post) -- as a matter of fact, it's not too much longer than your own personal attack post.
Spices the forum up a little...
Thanks for the personal attack ignition, it woke me up a little this morning.
All of your apparent envy aside... some of my post is based on personal preference, and I used my background to establish that I am not a "freaking idiot".
I don't like 'libraries' or 'music collections' or whatever Program-X wants to call my music collection. I want to open my file browser (be it Finder or Windows Explorer), go to where I ripped my cds to, and find them in this order: "Artist - Album - Track Number - Song Tile". I also have the genre column turned on to make sure my ID3 tags are correct. I use somewhat minimalistic programs, because unlike some users, I don't need all sorts of fancy bells and whistles clogging up my system and eating up all of my available resources. iTunes instead sticks everything into columns sorting by song name first, by default. I'm not the kind of person who likes a single song. If I purchase a CD, it's because I like the artist's music as a whole. I don't purchase single songs, and I only buy singles when the 'bonus content' is worth my $6-$10.
I don't use 'jukeboxes'. I rarely use Winamp anymore. 95% of the music I listen to is listened to on my iPod, therefore all I need is program to rip my CD's, and program to copy the MP3's to my player.
If I wanted to bash a free program, I'd point out that iTunes loads things at startup whether I use iTunes or not, thus taking up resources. If you don't dig through the menus, iTunes will 'update' your iPod, potentially removing songs from your player. Sometimes, I connect my iPod to my machine and don't mount it in Anapod to access my music, be cause I also use it as a portable hard drive, won't need to mount the iPod for that use. Unless you find the option in iTunes, it will automaticly start iTunes and connect your player; once again because it has processes running in the background.
And then, I could get all worked up over the fact that everything in iTunes is DRM-laced; something that isn't touted very loudly, and I'd be willing to bet that all-American Prom Queen has no clue about.
What about the 'average user' who might use iTunes on multiple machines? I have it setup at work, and at home. The other night I went to purchase an EP, and after giving up on attempting to use Paypal, I used my card and bought it. After it downloaded the songs (again, using that universal progress bar at the top of the window), when I went to drag and drop them to my iPod, it said I'm not authorized to play them on my machine. I had to login to iTMS once again, and manually authorize my machine just to copy the songs to my iPod. I suppose that your average orangutan will have the intellect to find steps necessary to do that?
Anti-mainstream? You bet. Peruse my music collection, and you'd confirm it. What's the point of doing what everyone else is doing?
As for my opinion... strfry at least liked it.
It wasn't so much of a personal attack on you; it's just that your post actually gave me something to reply to - unlike the other 99% of posts on this board, hence why I am one of the oldest members but I have less posts than some people who joined a month or two ago. Np, regardless
The majority of your reply is about personal preference - something which I am not attacking at all. You don't like to use libraries or other organized collections? Fine, I do not want nor am I trying to get you to change - I just thought some of your attacks on iTunes were a bit unfair. Before I gained multiple gb music collections, I would just have all my music in a single folder and I would play music with either MPC or Winamp 2; I wouldn't even bother with id3 tags and I would hardly bother with filenames. Once I got several thousand songs though, it became necessary to have something to organize my music, and I think itunes does the job perfectly. I understand that there are countless free jukeboxes or whatever that do almost the exact same thing as iTunes, I just prefer itunes because 1) it looks nice 2) I like how easy it is to edit the tags on songs and I like how easy it is to make playlists from selections and 3) I love how I can listen to the libraries of other computers on my network with a single click. With iTunes, not only do I have a clean, organized program that lets me access all of my music (spanning countless folders across my harddrive) from one place, but I can also access thousands of other songs not even on my computer with the built in networking.
The fact that itunes consumes 30 megs of virtual memory and 5 megs of physical memory is irrelevant to me, and I don't even have a large amount of RAM (512 mb). The other processes that iTunes runs when your computer starts take up, combined, around 6 megs of memory - something I would prefer not to run, but something that I could also care less about.
As for iPods, I actually agree with you there - iTunes is a pain in the ass; which is something I overlooked in that first post of mine for a couple of reasons. For one thing, I only use iTunes as a music organizer/player - I don't use it for the music store, or podcasts, or whatever else it has. Second, I don't have an iPod - but whenever I want to get music from friends' ipods, I use xPlay - I don't even bother with iTunes, which I admit is a major hassle to use with the ipod. Transferring music may not be easy to figure out with itunes, but then what other music player even has the option of transferring music to an ipod? The point in my first post was that you have to be retarded not to figure out how to use the music organizing features of iTunes, which is basically true - it is extremely simple and straightforward.
I wouldn't exactly qualify myself as "mainstream" or "anti-mainstream," seeing as things aren't as black and white as that, though I do listen to mostly indie bands and I also love and often use linux (I dualboot XP and Ubuntu on this machine). I see no reason to avoid a great program like iTunes though just because it is popular.
Wow, this is turning interesting.
Back to the topic:
Seriously, any points made in that convo (I only read about a 16th of it) are unfounded, and show severe parasse. Someone clearly didn't pay very much attention when setting up their iPod, I know that.
Pff, hating iTunes. What, are you nuts!?? Let me guess, a Windowzz user! lol
Anyway, as said before iTunes is so easy to use (just as all the ther iLife products for Mac) I don't see why you would hate iTunes since it's so easy to use and ID-3 tag is also very straightforward. I guess you were just spamming!
I don't hate iTunes. I just think other products are better than iTunes. Yep, I'm a Windows user. Oh, and a Linux user. *shrug* Love my iPod, don't much like iTunes. Hate DRM. Sounds like you're a Mac user. Enjoy. Keep your iTunes. Hope that the licensing (either the license itself or the tech behind) on your music doesn't expire.
I like how another poster, troyinator, states he only read a 16th of something but declares that all points in it are unfounded. Although, having read the whole thing myself, the guy's only point seems to be that iTunes is "forced" on him since the iPod didn't come packaged with any other way to transfer music to it (as in: mount as a drive with an ordinary folder structure for music.)
You never have to install iTunes to use your iPod, but you have to be a relatively advanced user to know that. Most folks that get an iPod, end up using iTunes because it seems like that's the only choice.
Ah well, that's Apple's job, making money. It's our job as consumers to keep educated about things and avoid getting things crammed on us.
I never liked iTunes, althought I'm using it. Its interface is nice and everything but it's so complicated and everything. I only use it to download podcasts.