http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17663945-23109,00.html
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Indian appeals eye gouging sentence
December 26, 2005
THE lawyer for an Indian migrant worker sentenced to have his eye gouged out as punishment by a Saudi Arabian court said he has launched a new appeal against the verdict.
The original sentence, handed down in August, "is not definitive, the Riyadh court of appeal having not yet confirmed it", Nawaf al-Mutawa said, adding that "any recourse to (calls for) clemency" is premature.
New Delhi announced on Friday it had sent a "mercy petition" calling on Riyadh to pardon the worker, Puthen Veetil Abdul Latheef Noushad, sentenced for blinding a Saudi national in 2003. |
That story certainly makes me grateful that our country's laws, values standards and philosophies were founded/based on Christian/Judeo principles.
Most of us would be blind, limbless and toungeless and only God knows what-else had it been otherwise. Sometimes I think this would be a good thing, even in the USA. You rape someone, you get your genitals removed.
Sounds fair to me.
All except for the fact that a percentage of the punished people would be innocent, and if they ever proved their innocents we would not be able to ever reconcile.
yep, sometimes they just need a good slap in the face....or testicles.
Why S3nd, you old softie!
You're telling me that if some guy broke into your house and poked out the eyes of someone in there, you'd prefer paying your hard earned tax dollars for them to spend a few years in jail (with three FREE MEALS a day and PUBLICLY FUNDED health care) to the simple expediency of poking their eyes out right back at them?
Yes, our justice system is many marvelous things-- carefully thought out, tested by time, more or less functional all things considered. The one thing it isn't is Judeo-Christian, though. Open to a random verse in Deuteronomy and read!
yeah.... his country doesnt have any violent crimes... woo hoo 
But as the old saying goes, "An eye for an eye leaves everybody blind..."
well the eye for an eye i think it has good points
like shr3dd said
if you rape someone your genetals are removed
if you think thats going to happen you ARE NOT
going to rape anyone
| Texas Al wrote: |
Yes, our justice system is many marvelous things-- carefully thought out, tested by time, more or less functional all things considered. The one thing it isn't is Judeo-Christian, though. Open to a random verse in Deuteronomy and read! |
Yes, then keep reading, or start at the begining. Then see how the things writen in Deuteronomy were directed specificaly for the Hebrews in a certain time. Then keep reading on further and see how Jesus instructs the rest of the world from then on to our current time.
It is quite Judeo-Christian.....I never did get this "some parts of the old testament got repealed by Jesus, and some still stand" business. My ignorance, though, most likely.
Yes the Saudia rule obeys with the EYE for an EYE statement. They really give punishments to the HELL.
| Srs2388 wrote: |
well the eye for an eye i think it has good points
like shr3dd said
if you rape someone your genetals are removed
if you think thats going to happen you ARE NOT
going to rape anyone |
True.. But, in other circumstances and you are attacked and you did damage to the attacker, technically you still have to pay for what you did. So if u broke his arm and gave him a broken nose, that is what you pay. An eye for an eye doesnt have circumstansial understanding. If that makes any senseThe principle of an eye for an eye is wrong because it reduces the public realm to the level of the criminal.
No clearer is this the case than for the evil of capital punishment which turns us all into murderers.
How can a few years in prison compare to a maiming for life? If a guy gauges another guy's eyes out then he deserves to have the same done to him (re: Jesus, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"). After x number of years the criminal walks free but the victim still has to live with no eyes.
| Karver wrote: |
| How can a few years in prison compare to a maiming for life? If a guy gauges another guy's eyes out then he deserves to have the same done to him (re: Jesus, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"). After x number of years the criminal walks free but the victim still has to live with no eyes. |
Could you show me where Jesus said "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"?
I have read the new testament a few times but must have missed it. I do remember "he who has no sin through the forts stone", "forgive your brouther 7 * 7 times", and "If he takes you clock give him your tunic too".
Please do not attempt to quote such a man a Jesus or such a finely preserved work that is so easily at all of our disposal so ignorantly.
If you find the whole bible so confusing, just site down and give Romans a quick read. It sort of summarizes Jesus’ teaching through Paul. Although, reading the whole new testament is quite enlightening. Revelations is as confusing as hell.I once used Revelations as a reason for why my job should not fingerprint me. And I genuinely do believe the interpretation of Revelations that led me to that conclusion.
Reminds me something I read a long time ago.Made a great impression on my mind, has remained in my head ever since.Not a a great revelation, but its a phrase that makes me think:
" Fight Crime .... Shoot Back . "
I have a friend from the Czech Republic who just can't get his head around why Americans are so into their guns. One time, we were talking about Japan and how the Samurai were upset that it was eventually made illegal for them to carry swords (during the Meiji Reformation, IIRC). I asked him "Why were they upset?" and he said "It was a symbol of their autonomy." I said "Well, that's why we want to own guns. We're all sovereigns in this country."
Another discussion I had with him that kind of made him think I was nuts...
"It's much more humane to encourage citizens to defend themselves with lethal force than to have the government execute criminals. Think how humiliating it is to be dressed in that nasty orange jump-suit and strapped to a gurney. I know that if I was a criminal, I'd rather get shot by a home-owner than officially executed. At least it would be over quickly, and there is a certain nobility to dying while doing your job (even if your job happens to be burglarizing people's houses)."
Yah, and also, if your actually robbing someone’s house while they are home you are probably trying to get money for drugs and the last thing you want is to spend years waiting on appeals without a good fix. I’d also feel really bad about all the wasted tax money. The other thing is you might just get injured or maimed, then you get hospital drugs. If they try to clean you up they have drugs for that too.
The other thing is maybe all my burglar friends would come visit and I could serve as an example.
Islamic Punishment According To Sharia Law is gruesome and inhuman.Sickening.
On a side-note I'm ashamed of the fact that Capital Punishment still exists in such a developed country as America and as I say that I cannot help but think of the appallingly high rates of gun-violence.
I like the way justice i administered in Singapore. Death for drug dealers. If you go to Singapore it works. it is very hard to see drug addicts.
Unlike Europe od the US there is no areas where you can go and easily buy any sort of drugs.
In western societies (judeo-Christina values ????) it is by far to easy to commit a crime and get away with a light sentence. This way of adimistering justice leaves the offended party dissatisfied and angry. Not that I approve it , but Islamic law , to the extreme, is fairer towards the offended party.
Penalties for criminals should be more in line with the committed doffence.
I see no problem with castrating a rapist. Actually this is what should be done.
Actually I do not think we all, if an eye for an eye law is enforced , could be withouth limbs, or sights or else. Only at the beginning of the process this could lead to more penalties carried out. Later on this would be a deterrent for everybody who plan criminal acts.
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I see no problem with castrating a rapist. Actually this is what should be done.
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a guilty rapist is pure trash, a waste of resource, a waste of food and clothing, a waste of our air, a vile creature who should be exterminated without a seconds thought. its his next of kin who should be castrated. partially as punishment, partially as a preventitive of more baby rapists populating the planet. maybe then people would take more responsibility for their children in life , and not just pop them out because everyone else is.It is a bit disconcerting to see rapist let free to rape again. Many do. When you see a repeat offender, it must beg the question of validity. Does crime have to be a given. The rate of crime in those countries is much much less. Then again, I imagine if we spent less money on drug dealing and focused it on things like rape, murder, and even theft, we'd make some meaningful headway. After all, crime is down-- the problem is that all the criminals are getting free over and over again. We need a better deterent.
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| biga57 wrote: |
I see no problem with castrating a rapist. Actually this is what should be done.
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a guilty rapist is pure trash, a waste of resource, a waste of food and clothing, a waste of our air, a vile creature who should be exterminated without a seconds thought. its his next of kin who should be castrated. partially as punishment, partially as a preventitive of more baby rapists populating the planet. maybe then people would take more responsibility for their children in life , and not just pop them out because everyone else is. |
Ai gree with you about the vileness of a guilty rapist.
However, I disagree with you about the castration of their next of kin. Most rapists are not the kind of people who would care about their next of kin. They'd probably just get on with life and rape more people, and not care about who you're castrating. These people probably don't care about their children... in which case, it makes no sense to castrate their children.heh , ya...you'll have to pardon my over-the-top rhetoric....i'm just trying to drill the point home.
guilty rapists , pure filth.
I hope none of you ever get falsely accused of rape.
this is a different discussion. This is a 'what to do with the guilty ones' thread. If you want to start a 'what about false accusations' thread , go ahead and I'll comment on that too. Its really annoying when people make those kind of 'but what if' comments , we're all obviously under the assumption of a 100% guilty rapist in this thread. Granted you have a point , but just because innocent people get accused should not get in the way of deciding how the guilty ones are dealt with.
Its the 21st century , we've never had so much technology to determine true guilt or not. I dont agree in having a half-ass system where by serious criminals get off lightly , cos the penalty system revolves around 'maybe they're not guilty' ..... once guilt is established , swift and fast. CHOP - or perhaps a more humane injection of a death inducing agent. end of story.
Should a false accusation be made , that should carry the same sentence because as we have established , to make such a false accusation under these circumstances would be as serious a crime as rape itself. (well almost , but jeopardising someones life by trying to incriminate them as a rapist should carry the penalty the accusee would have received) ......
put this law into effect , and the sociopaths would be taken care of. They wont stop raping , but at least they'll be ash once they're caught. Same goes for the false accusers , for them I think the penalty would more-often than not deter them. unless they are sociopaths themselves , in which case they too should be turned to dust for trying to have someone executed so.
Just my two cents. I;m not hitler , I just dont see life as being precious enough to preserve the lives of absolute cretins. Because they are a fact of life , in every society and every racial background, Man inheritly has a wicked streak in him - and this streak manifests more and more as society becomes more condensed and anonymous.
fact of life, i aint gonna guzzle no tears for filthy rapists. I;ll save mine for the victims whose lives have been permanently scared. and for all intents and purposes , we only have one shot in life. there is no greater crime then to interfere with that.
| somnific wrote: |
| Its the 21st century , we've never had so much technology to determine true guilt or not. I dont agree in having a half-*** system where by serious criminals get off lightly , cos the penalty system revolves around 'maybe they're not guilty' ..... once guilt is established , swift and fast. CHOP - or perhaps a more humane injection of a death inducing agent. end of story. |
Even with that technology, still 5-10% are executed innocently. For other crimes this number will be even bigger. Certainly if you consider the fact that being black is considered as an evidence.in your shithole country maybe
| Texas Al wrote: |
| I hope none of you ever get falsely accused of rape. |
valid argument.
However, I have thought about this...
The only reason I support such a violent sentence for a crime like rape is because I am dead against it. As such, I know that I will never rape, no matter what... I have many female friends, and I know how they feel when a man so much as follows them when they're walking back home... I don't think I can bring myself to cause a woman discomfort regarding her modesty.
In retrospect, I think perhaps castration may not be the perfect sentence... perhaps something else (what do you suggest?)... but I think if a man is guilty of raping a woman and is caught for the second time, then he should be castrated.Well, if he goes to prison in the USA, he will probably be raped by the other inmates, especially if he's white. AIDS is rampant among the prison population, so it becomes a death sentence. So your poetic justice is being unintentionally carried out in the US.
Unfortunately, it's also being carried out against people who were convicted of victimless offenses, and people who were falsely convicted.
| Texas Al wrote: |
| I hope none of you ever get falsely accused of rape. |
chastity solves that problem nicely | Texas Al wrote: |
Unfortunately, it's also being carried out against people who were convicted of victimless offenses, and people who were falsely convicted. |
such as genja cultivators. that was a point i raised | gonzo wrote: |
| Texas Al wrote: | | I hope none of you ever get falsely accused of rape. |
chastity solves that problem nicely |
That explains everything.
Don't be sad, old boy. This getting women into bed thing can be figured out, eventually.
Hint: Don't talk to them about politics... find something to care or pretend to care about other than politics. Other than politics and computers. | Texas Al wrote: |
| gonzo wrote: | | Texas Al wrote: | | I hope none of you ever get falsely accused of rape. |
chastity solves that problem nicely |
That explains everything.
Don't be sad, old boy. This getting women into bed thing can be figured out, eventually.
Hint: Don't talk to them about politics... find something to care or pretend to care about other than politics. Other than politics and computers. |
Quoted for posterity.
Methinks this mod is getting out of hand.Aw, you reactionaries just don't have a sense of humor, that's all.
You can only dish it out, but you can't take it. Lighten up.
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17663945-23109,00.html
| Quote: | Indian appeals eye gouging sentence
December 26, 2005
THE lawyer for an Indian migrant worker sentenced to have his eye gouged out as punishment by a Saudi Arabian court said he has launched a new appeal against the verdict.
The original sentence, handed down in August, "is not definitive, the Riyadh court of appeal having not yet confirmed it", Nawaf al-Mutawa said, adding that "any recourse to (calls for) clemency" is premature.
New Delhi announced on Friday it had sent a "mercy petition" calling on Riyadh to pardon the worker, Puthen Veetil Abdul Latheef Noushad, sentenced for blinding a Saudi national in 2003. |
That story certainly makes me grateful that our country's laws, values standards and philosophies were founded/based on Christian/Judeo principles.
Most of us would be blind, limbless and toungeless and only God knows what-else had it been otherwise. |
Um, those of use who gouge out others eyes, cut off others limbs and rip out other people's tongues, anyway.
And I don't know about you...
