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Seeing Patterns That Are Not There

 


S3nd K3ys
The human mind tends to complete what seems to be an incomplete pattern. This is how optical illusions tend to work. Take the following image, for example:




The mind completes the missing information for the dots by turning them "black." Now, let's apply this to the case being made against President Bush by the media and the Left:

On one side, we have the fact that the NSA has been eavesdropping without warrants on persons physically located within the United States, or communicating through the United States.

On the other, we have the fact that, in order to conduct searches on American citizens and persons subject to the jurisdiction of American law, you must obtain a warrant.

The dot turns black as your mind fits these two seemingly related facts into a pattern, by filling in the supposition that the subjects of the wiretaps must have been American citizens or persons subject to the jurisdiction and protections of American law------but this is not necessarily so. If the subjects of the wiretaps were illegal immigrants, "cloned" cell phone accounts, or nonexistent aliases through which an international call is routed through the US to avoid surveillance---a case can be made that they are not persons subject to the jurisdiction and full protections of American law---being that they have no legal status, or that they in fact do not exist as anything but an alias.

Count the black dots.......only if they exist.

The left and their 5th columnists in the media depend upon such things quite a bit.

This coupled with the dictum "the lie told often enough becomes the truth," is virtually the entire foundation of their ideology. They understand that if the truth is known, even more Americans would utterly reject them.
gonzo
uh oh you sound racist

hhahaha
i_am_mine
Republican Illusion # 1: The wheels of Government machinery are spinning just fine under Herr Bush Jr.

However this is merely an illusion.Focussing on any one point on the administration shows that nothing is really moving, much less rotating.
As "ordinary" i.e, mediocre citizens we are not expected to focus on individual points and search for facts,truth and evidence.Doing so inevitably results in...





The picture is not animated. Your eyes are making it move. To test this, stare at one spot for a couple seconds and everything will stop moving. Or look at the black center of each circle and it will stop moving. But move your eyes to the next black center and the previous will move after you take your eyes away from it.

Republican Illusion # 2:

Illegal, unsanctioned, unjustified war is not Terrorism.

In the following figure we have an illegal, unsanctioned, unjustified war represented by Box A [ DARK ] and Terrorism represented by Box B [ LIGHT ] ( or vice versa, whichever colour you like ).
A Cyclindrical structure [ Rupert Murdoch,Media Monopolies,Fox,etc ] casts its shadow as seen in Figure 1.


Figure 1


In Figure 2: However the truth being that Terrorism by any other name is still Terrorism.It can clearly be seen that Box A and Box B are both the same color.Id est, both are forms of Terrorism.


Figure 2

Republican Illusion # 3
We have a [thinking] President.

Clearly, Figure 3 speaks for itself.

Figure 3
biga57
Funny, really funny !! Great pictures !

What You See Is Not What You Get.........
maclui
What a clever response, all the illusionists have their own audience. Which one is going to win? the one with better tricks. Dem 45879 - GOP 45880
gonzo
liberalist illusion #1
"There is no spoon"

When is is PATENTLY clear that there is a spoon. Wanting something to be other than it is does not effect reality. Liberalists cannot seem to grasp obvious truth. They instead seem to prefer delusion.

i_am_mine
thank you biga57,maclui

__________________

Spoon boy: Do not try and bend the spoon (change the Illusion) .
That's impossible.
Instead... only try to realize the truth.

Neo: What truth? .....

Spoon boy: There is no spoon (Illusion).....

Neo: There is no spoon (Illusion)?

Spoon boy: Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, (Illusion that changes)...


Laughing

____________________

nice spoon.

Thanks for playing.
gonzo
my "there is no spoon" reference predates the movie. Are you one of those people who cite hollywood productions for school papers?
i_am_mine
my my, my friend. Is that superiority complex inherent or acquired?

have you read the Buddhism Omnibus? [ Publisher:Penguin, look under Spirituality ]

Thanks for playing.
Warning: Opponents maybe as/more intelligent/well read as you are.


Last edited by i_am_mine on Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:36 pm; edited 1 time in total
i_am_mine
I thought I might as well make this interesting for people who really like to have intelligent discussions...so here's several interpretations of this beautiful "spoon" ( hence included in my signature Smile ) traced back to Plato, and then further back to the Hindu and Buddhist " Maya "

First Plato's Allegory Of The Cave from Wikipedia...
Quote:

The allegory

Imagine prisoners who have been chained since childhood deep inside a cave. Not only are their limbs immobilized by the chains, their heads are chained as well so that their eyes are fixed on a wall. Behind the prisoners is an enormous fire, and between the fire and the prisoners there is a raised walk way, along which men carry shapes of various animals, plants, and other things. The shapes cast shadows on the wall, which occupy the prisoners' attention. Also, when one of the shape-carriers speaks, an echo against the wall causes the prisoners to believe that the words come from the shadows. The prisoners engage in what appears to us to be a game—naming the shapes as they come by. This, however, is the only reality that they know, even though they are seeing merely shadows of images.

Suppose a prisoner is released and compelled to stand up and turn around. His eyes will be blinded by the firelight, and the shapes passing will appear less real than their shadows. Similarly, if he is dragged up out of the cave into the sunlight, his eyes will be so blinded that he will not be able to see anything. At first, he will be able to see darker shapes such as shadows, and only later brighter and brighter objects. The last object he would be able to see is the sun, which, in time, he would learn to see as that object which provides the seasons and the courses of the year, presides over all things in the visible region, and is in some way the cause of all these things that he has seen. (The Republic bk. VII, 516b-c; trans. Paul Shorey) This part of the allegory, incidentally, closely matches Plato's metaphor of the sun which occurs near the end of The Republic Book VI.

Once thus enlightened, so to speak, the freed prisoner would no doubt want to return to the cave to free "his fellow bondsmen". The problem however is that they would not want to be freed: descending back into the cave would require that the freed prisoner's eyes adjust again, and for a time, he would be inferior at the ludicrous process of identifying shapes on the wall. This would make his fellow prisoners murderous toward anyone who attempted to free them.


The interpretation

Not content with mere suggestion, Plato interprets the allegory (beginning at 517b): "This image then [the allegory of the cave] we must apply as a whole to all that has been said"—i.e., it can be used to interpret the preceding several pages, which concern the metaphor of the sun and the divided line. In particular, Plato likens "the region revealed through sight", i.e., the ordinary objects we see around us

to the habitation of the prison, and the light of the fire in it to the power of the sun. And if you assume the ascent and the contemplation of the things above is the soul's ascension to the intelligible region, you will not miss my surmise... [M]y dream as it appears to me is that in the region of the known the last thing to be seen and hardly seen is the idea of good, and that when seen it must needs point us to the conclusion that this is indeed the cause for all things of all that is right and beautiful, giving birth in the visible world to light, and the author of light and itself in the intelligible world being the authentic source of truth and reason... (517b-c)

The brilliant sun outside the cave represents the Form of the Good, and this passage among others can easily give the impression that Plato regarded this as a creative god. Ordinarily we are held captive, viewing mere shadows of particular shapes that are themselves not even the genuine article—which can only be found "outside the cave", in an intelligible world of forms known by reason, not (relatively "dim") perception. The puppeteers are institutions and authorities that manipulate how we see the world. Plato wants us to realize that we must realize our own limitations to then move beyond them.

Moreover, after "returning from divine contemplations to the petty miseries of men", one is apt to cut "a sorry figure" if,

while still blinking through the gloom, and before he has become sufficiently accustomed to the environing darkness, he is compelled in courtrooms or elsewhere to contend about the shadows of justice or the images that cast the shadows and to wrangle in debate about the notions of these things in the minds of those who have never seen justice itself? (517d-e)

Plato could, perhaps, be thinking (or subtly reminding the reader) of the trial of Socrates here.

It might appear strange that, while acknowledging the political ineptness of one "returning from divine contemplations", Plato has all the while been describing the ideal state, ruled by philosopher-kings, a qualification of which is that they are in regular intercourse with the Form of the Good.


Image 1: An artist's rendition of Plato's Cave.
[img] http://rivertext.com/images_weil/platoscave.gif [/img]


Now an interesting article on Plato's Cave as The Basis For The Movie The Matrix by Claire Binnion, I reproduce only a part of it, as it is too long to be posted in its complete form which can be found here:[url]www.aber.ac.uk/media/Students/ccb0201.doc [/url] :


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The Matrix (Wachowski Bros., 1999) as an enactment of Plato's 'Allegory of the Cave'

Claire Binnion

The Matrix can therefore be seen to enact Plato’s ‘allegory of the cave’ in numerous ways. Just like the people in Plato’s cave the human population are prisoners within the Matrix. Unbeknown to them ‘the world of the real…is a horror of the complete subordination of the human to a vast inhuman apparatus’. (Wark, McKenzie, 1999). It has been taken over by Artificial Intelligence, the contemporary puppet-makers, and is now masked by this computer simulation, known as the Matrix.

Neo discovers that he is merely seeing reflections of the truth, just as the prisoners of Plato’s cave only see shadows of the actual objects. Reflections are an important recurring visual motif throughout the film. We repeatedly see Neo reflected in Morpheus’ glasses and in other surfaces. This constantly reminds the audience that the matrix is itself is a ‘reflected, shadow reality, dismally, biliously…reproducing the “real world” ’, (Ross, Kelley L, 1999). Therefore, the audience possess the same knowledge as the agents.

The idea of not being in control is present in both Plato’s ‘allegory of the cave’ and within The Matrix. Descartes, another rationalist philosopher, suggests the possibility of an ‘evil demon, an all powerful being that is able to deceive us completely’ (Falzon, 2002: p.2Cool. This is furthered with the ‘brain in the vat’ scenario, where he questions, how do we know that our brains are not floating in vat, hooked up with electrodes to a computer, where signals are fed to us, giving us the experiences we have. This is rather an extreme example of control but does parallel directly to The Matrix.

Falzon’s idea of control through politics in our society, such as propaganda and indoctrination, is not this extreme. Although he still suggests that we too can become like Plato’s prisoners ‘controlled by others because we take the images they present us with for reality’ (Falzon, 2002: p.27). The Truman Show is an example of this kind of control because Christof, the producer, places Truman in this television show since birth. Thus, Truman is brought up on a television set, unaware of the real world. However, because of some of the situations he encounters and sees, and with his logic, Truman is able to work out something isn’t right about the world7 and manages to escape.

‘In ordinary experience, of course, we are perfectly familiar with the apparent as well as the real and can usually tell the difference between them.’ (Falzon, 2002: p.20) For example with the Muller-Lyer illusion it appears the two lines are of different lengths but in fact they are the same length. We realise that ‘what we see is an illusion yet are senses are still deceived.’ (Allen and Smith, 1997: p.79). However, this does invite us to think rather than rely on what is shown to us. Plato and Aristotle acknowledge the idea that vision and reason are closely associated. Aristotle decided we have five senses and Plato gave ‘primacy to sight’. The association of vision and reason has become a persistent bias in Western culture. However, what we see should not be taken for granted. In order to grasp what is real we need to ‘break free from dependence and use reason alone’, (Falzon, 2002: p.4).

In Plato’s ‘allegory of the cave’ he hypothesises about one of the prisoners escaping. With the idea of breaking free of dependence, it is questionable whether the prisoners restraints are in fact real or in their minds. They have been staring at this wall since birth and therefore they have become dependant on the shadows they see before them. It brings upon the question of choice, whether or not they want to see if there is anything more than this existence.

This parallels with The Matrix as Neo is in fact asked to make a choice between the blue pill, which will erase his memory, and the red pill which will show him ‘how deep the rabbit hole really goes.’ This reference to Lewis Carroll’s Alice in Wonderland heightens the audiences’ expectations of what the Matrix is. It also allies the Matrix with Wonderland, suggesting that there is more than meets the eye for both Neo and Alice.

Neo decides to take the red pill and is literally awakened in a pod, where tubes are leading from all parts of his body. He does not know what is real or even if this is all an elaborate nightmare. This moment in the film is an enactment of Plato’s hypothesis of a man being freed from the cave. The freed prisoner would be compelled to look around and discover his true surroundings. He would realise that the images that he has been looking at are merely shadows reflected on to the wall in front of him. In each of these scenarios the realization of true existence would leave them ‘bewildered and disorientated, and (they) would much rather be left in their original state’ (Falzon, 2002: p. 19-20).

As well as enduring psychological torture the freed man would also suffer physical pain. In The Republic Plato suggests that ‘he will suffer sharp pain; the glare will distress him, and he will be unable to see the realities of which in his former state he had seen the shadows’. He would be memorised by what he is now envisaging, and many even believe that what he is now seeing is an illusion, and his primitive state is the real world.

In The Matrix, Neo encounters a similar experience to that of the freed man in Plato’s cave. Just like the freed man Neo’s eyes are sore. He asks Morpheus why this is and his reply is ‘you’ve never used them before’. This parallels directly to Plato’s allegory, as although the freed man has used his eyes before, he has not used them to great extent. Also, when Morpheus shows him ‘the dessert of the real’ he exclaims ‘let me out, let me out, I want out!’ He is then sick and passes out in disbelief. Neo then asks ‘ I can’t go back can I?’ Morpheus’ reply is ‘No, but if you could would you want to?’

Plato furthers his hypothesis of the freed man and discusses what would happen when he would leave the cave. He states that he will only be able to see shadows reflected by the sun at first, just like he could only see the shadows reflected by the fire. He would then grow accustomed to the reflections of people in water, thus he is still only able to make out a distorted image of the true reality. Finally he will be able to distinguish objects themselves. The last thing he would see is the sun and would no longer see ‘mere reflections of him in the water, but he will see him in his own proper place, and not in another; and he will contemplate him as he is’ (Plato: Allegory of the Cave). Plato argues that at this point he has reached ‘philosophical enlightenment’ (Falzon, 2002: p.4) Similar to the freed prisoner, Neo also becomes enlightened when he finally accepts the truth of the Matrix and eventually realises that he is ‘The One’.

A key scene in Neo’s realisation is when he visits the Oracle. She has the Latin phrase ‘Temet Nosce’ written above her kitchen door, meaning ‘know thyself’. This classic allusion makes us question our existence like Descartes does. Descartes uses the example of a man sitting by a fire, in his dressing gown holding a piece of paper. He raises the question ‘how does he know that he is sitting by the fire, writing, and not asleep, in bed’ (Falzon, 2002: p.26). Basically, how can we be sure whether we are awake or still dreaming? There are references within The Matrix that link this idea of a dream world. Ironically, Morpheus’ name means God of dreams or sleep, and it is he who awakens Neo from the Matrix. Also Neo asks, ‘have you ever had that feeling where you are not sure you are awake or still dreaming?’ and later Morpheus echoes this when he asks ‘have you ever had a dream Neo that you were so sure was real’. Falzon suggest that if we try and find a test to discover whether we are awake or not, e.g. pinching yourself, ‘the problem is that any test we might come up with…might itself be part of our dream’ (p.27).

If we look at The Matrix in the sense of a dream we can then compare it to the film Vanilla Sky. In this Tom Cruises character David Aames is in a ‘lucid dream’, a dream meant to contain Aames’ perfect world. However, as within The Matrix when trying to create a perfect world there are flaws in the system. Aames’ dream starts to turn into a nightmare and by the end of the film he realises the truth, just as Neo does in The Matrix. Now he is ‘enlightened’ and no longer wishes to remain in this fake world, choosing to return to the real world instead. This also parallels with Neo when he becomes enlightened.

Assuming that Plato’s theory of enlightenment is true, when the freed man reaches this he would want to share his experience with others. However, he would not want to return to his original state, ‘he would rather suffer anything than entertain these false notions and live in this miserable manner.’ (‘Dew’). On returning to the cave he would begin to explain to the other prisoners the world outside. However, it would be extremely difficult for him to explain the real world and ‘in many ways, he would not be understood or believed no matter what he said’ (‘Dew’). John Hyman suggests that you cannot fully understand an a visual experience without seeing it, stating that ‘we cannot usually experience an activity…without actually doing it’ (Allen and Murray, 1997: p. 80). In The Matrix this theory is supported when Morpheus says ‘ you cannot be told what the Matrix is, you have to see it for yourself’.

The prisoners would reject the freed man’s notions and would mock him. However, the freed man would just pity this mockery because he now knows the truth and if he were to laugh at them this would be more worth while as the real world is a far better place compared to their existence. This is highlighted in The Republic where it says,
‘…if he have a mind to laugh at the soul which comes from below into the light, there will be more reason in this laugh which greets him who returns from above out of the light into the den.’

In the document 'Plato's Allegory Of The Cave: A Springboard For The Matrix' it is suggested that the prisoners would ‘demonstrate hostility’ towards the free man and would even contemplate murder in order to fight for their cave. Although in The Matrix no one is told the truth, Morpheus does express his fears that ‘most of these people are not ready to be unplugged’ and perhaps it is likely that in the forthcoming sequels there might be in fact a resistance against ‘The Resistance’.

However, hostility is shown within The Matrix by the Judas figure, Cypher. Cypher believes Morpheus tricked him into the real world. He is fed up with a life of fighting, what seems to him like, an endless and pointless battle, where they do not obtain even the simplest humanistic pleasure of decent food. In Plato’s allegory the freed man pity’s those trapped in the cave as the world beyond is suggested to be far better. Although, in The Matrix it is questionable whether the real world is better than the computer simulation and the question of ‘whether there really is any difference between virtual reality and physical reality’ (Silver, Lee M) is highlighted by Cypher. Is Cypher, therefore, wrong in wanting to go back to somewhere that he has happy memories?



Since this post is already too long, I'll go into the depths of the Hindu/Buddhist concept of Maya in the next post. Smile

Hope it was an interesting read.
S3nd K3ys
gonzo wrote:
Wanting something to be other than it is does not effect reality. Liberalists cannot seem to grasp obvious truth. They instead seem to prefer delusion.


Pillars 2, 3 and 5 apply here...



i_am_mine
Why 5
3 Is simplistic...

The Three Conservative Monkeys:

lib
S3nd K3ys wrote:
gonzo wrote:
Wanting something to be other than it is does not effect reality. Liberalists cannot seem to grasp obvious truth. They instead seem to prefer delusion.


Pillars 2, 3 and 5 apply here...




Hahaha. S3nd, you crack me up.
Did you even at least read that lengthy post?
And an excellent philosophy that existed much before America was even discovered is dismissed as a liberal denial of reality, thought control and projection of guilt? lol
Way to go!
maclui
Great there is not doubt, the three monkeys have spoken out loud. Congratulations i_am_mine this thread tought us some thing, from deep philosophy to superficial arguments against truth.
LeviticusMky
Hey guys, congrats, I know how time consuming and aggravating it can be to argue S3nd and his cronies' blind faith and unwarranted hatred, but you've been doing a masterful job.
Soulfire
Why does everything always have to be political? Personally I like the 5 pillars better. The 3 monkey thing is just a low-blow, stupid shot at president Bush.

Whereas the 5 pillar thing reveals truth, the 3 monkey thing is childish and something one 5 year old would say to another 5 year old. At least an ounce of thought was placed into the pillars.

I'll work on the 7 sins of liberalism (is liberalism a word or did I just make it up?)

Okay, so I'm completely joking about the 7 sin part. But still.
S3nd K3ys
LeviticusMky wrote:
S3nd and his cronies' blind faith and unwarranted hatred, .


lib
Soulfire wrote:
Why does everything always have to be political? Personally I like the 5 pillars better. The 3 monkey thing is just a low-blow, stupid shot at president Bush.

Whereas the 5 pillar thing reveals truth, the 3 monkey thing is childish and something one 5 year old would say to another 5 year old. At least an ounce of thought was placed into the pillars.

I'll work on the 7 sins of liberalism (is liberalism a word or did I just make it up?)

Okay, so I'm completely joking about the 7 sin part. But still.

You are kidding right?
The 3 monkey thing was a low-blow cheap shot at President Bush? It looks like an anti-conservative cartoon to me, just as the 5 pillars thing looks like an anti-liberals cartoon. Both are in the same category. Neither is a cheaper shot than the other.

The 5 pillar thing reveals truth? The 3 monkey thing is childish? Why? Because you're a hardcore liberal-hating Republican? Seeing as how most Republicans are constantly accused of closing their eyes to a lot of facts and quotes and sources on these very forums, I think the 3 monkeys cartoon is as well thought-out, if not better, one than the other.

Honestly, no personal offense meant, but this is the most ridiculous post I have read. Congratulations, I suppose Rolling Eyes

Oh, and before you simply go ranting about how me being a "lib" will obviously bias me in favour of the 3 monkeys, you should know that I am not a "lib"... that just happens to be my username. But don't get excited, because I don't vote in favour of the Republican party either.
xalophus
S3nd K3ys wrote:
The left and their 5th columnists in the media depend upon such things quite a bit.

This coupled with the dictum "the lie told often enough becomes the truth," is virtually the entire foundation of their ideology. They understand that if the truth is known, even more Americans would utterly reject them.


Is George Bush a 5th columnist for liberal media ?
He sure sounds like one if that is how you define them -

George W. Bush wrote:
You notice I keep saying that. In my line of work, you've got to say the same thing over and over and over again, finally get it to sink in.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/06/20050623.html
S3nd K3ys
xalophus wrote:
S3nd K3ys wrote:
The left and their 5th columnists in the media depend upon such things quite a bit.

This coupled with the dictum "the lie told often enough becomes the truth," is virtually the entire foundation of their ideology. They understand that if the truth is known, even more Americans would utterly reject them.


Is George Bush a 5th columnist for liberal media ?
He sure sounds like one if that is how you define them -

George W. Bush wrote:
You notice I keep saying that. In my line of work, you've got to say the same thing over and over and over again, finally get it to sink in.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/06/20050623.html


No, he has to keep saying it over and over and over and over again because
the lieberal media and democrats in general keep spitting out lies and
misconceptions so he has to keep reminding people of the truth. Wink
gonzo
i_am_mine wrote:
my my, my friend.


no, we're not.

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Is that superiority .. inherent


So you are jealous of my inherited superior intelligence?

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or acquired?


Just because you have a slue of "acquired" diseases I see no reason for you to vent on me.
lib
gonzo wrote:
Quote:
is that superiority...inherent
So you are jealous of my inherited superior intelligence?

Choose your explanation... Both are equally bad, in my opinion:
  • You are still using the classic Conservative "see and read only what you want to" characteristic
  • You are engaing in the immature activity of messing around with people's quotes and misquoting them

Either way, let me requote the original line, and put the operative word in bold in the hope that you don't miss it this time...
Quote:
Is that superiority complex inherent or acquired?

Now that we have established what the real quote is, let's play some more...
gonzo wrote:
So you are jealous of my inherited superiority complex?

(Note : the words "superior intelligence" have been changed to "superiority complex" in-keeping with the original quote by i_am_mine)
Anyway, here's your answer : No, I am sure no one is jealous of your superiority complex, muppet character. Most people dislike people with superiority complexes... personally, I pity them.

Rolling Eyes Why don't you post some posts with valid points, instead of playing childish games with others' posts?

Oops, I think I just answered myself.
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