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Kids to sing about changing se|x partners...





S3nd K3ys
.. instead of Christmas.

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=118350&format=&page=2

Boston Herald wrote:
One parent, Paul Dehaney, was angry yesterday after leaving a third-grade holiday concert at Memorial School when he heard the tots sing “We wish you a swinging Holiday,” in place of “We wish you a Merry Christmas.”


I'd be pissed too. I'd be outraged that my tot would be singing about changing sex partners instead of having a general good attitude at this time of year. WTF! The kids don't know any better but the parents listening to the song certainly would. Where is the common sense of the ones who are trying to change all these classic themes of good cheer and kindness to all people (which just makes good sense BTW and isn't necessarily religious in nature) with poorly written, sexually suggestive, ignorant in-offensiveness?

Texas Al
Oh good grief. Both sides remind me of those "womyn" in college that insisted on using words like "herstory" and claimed physics was "phallocentric".

I have an idea for those bozos... teach the kids math, geography, and the English language at school so maybe the won't suck on standardized tests for a change... and let them get their culture and religion at home.

No wonder half my lab is from China. I bet they don't go through this "magic tree" vs "them atheists wanna steal Christmas" nonsense in schools over there.

I'm seriously going to homeschool my kids if I ever have them. Too bad I'll still probably have to pay real estate taxes to teach everyone else's kids whatever nonsense the dominant cult of the time will want them to believe.
gonzo
wtf
Texas Al
wtf is exactly right, boy.
Scaramanga
Most of this is pretty ridiculous, I agree. Also, I agree the solution shouldn't be to remove all mention of Chrsitmas, but rather to INCLUDE mention of Hannukah, Ramadan, Kwaanza, Pastafarianism, Agnostica, et al.

Although removing songs from Jesus Christ Superstar WAS, I think, a good move. I mean what the hell are 6th graders doing singing from that anyway?!
loserfest
Maybe it's just me but I think everyone needs to chill. "We wish you a swinging holiday" could have dozens of other meanings. Since when did "swinging" only mean changing sex partners? And if the children don't even understand it, what's the harm? It's like someone perched in front of the TV, looking out for the F word or anything even remotely inapproriate. As soon as they hear or see it, the lawsuits start flying.
David_Pardy
I think by 'swinging' they mean 'having fun'. I can imagine some 50 year old dude wearing tight pants in the 80s going "yeah I'm swingin'!"

But some people do go overboard...
denggi
Political correctness in America really seems to have gone overboard. Like texas al said, what's up with mixing all those cultural education stuff in school when the basic skills are not properly taught? Loosen up on the beliefs...and start teaching in schools.
Daniel15
gonzo wrote:
wtf

As usual, gonzo has enlightened us with one of his very informative posts. I wouldn't have learnt anything unless I read that post. Gonzo, your reply explained everything in great detail.
</sarcasm>
lockwolf
I can see not singing religous based songs like "Silent Night" and "Joy to the world" but the pointless ones like "We wish you a merry Christmas" that doesnt mention anything religious at all? What the hell is going on?

Besides, it seems like society has avoided the real meaning of Christmas and went towards this "Feeling of love and joy to spread to everyone and give people stuff". Who would be offended by that?
riv_
Scaramanga said:
Quote:

...Most of this is pretty ridiculous, I agree. Also, I agree the solution shouldn't be to remove all mention of Chrsitmas, but rather to INCLUDE mention of Hannukah, Ramadan, Kwaanza, Pastafarianism, Agnostica, et al. (emphasis added)...

That's a great suggestion, but I'd like to draw attention to the "et al.".
Including everyone is just peachy until someone gets offended because you left them out.
Political correctness doesn't work because it doesn't work.
If you're a Christian, sing about it, good for you. A Jew, fly at it. Atheist, say so.
But shut up and let everyone else sing their song. You have absolutely no right to be offended about someone else peacefully practising and celebrating their own belief. Nobody's asking you to convert.
And swinging... sexual??? Come on! This is not 1952!
Scaramanga
riv_ wrote:
Scaramanga said:
Quote:

...Most of this is pretty ridiculous, I agree. Also, I agree the solution shouldn't be to remove all mention of Chrsitmas, but rather to INCLUDE mention of Hannukah, Ramadan, Kwaanza, Pastafarianism, Agnostica, et al. (emphasis added)...

That's a great suggestion, but I'd like to draw attention to the "et al.".
Including everyone is just peachy until someone gets offended because you left them out.
Political correctness doesn't work because it doesn't work.
If you're a Christian, sing about it, good for you. A Jew, fly at it. Atheist, say so.
But shut up and let everyone else sing their song. You have absolutely no right to be offended about someone else peacefully practising and celebrating their own belief. Nobody's asking you to convert.
And swinging... sexual??? Come on! This is not 1952!

Uhhh, sorry, maybe I should've included a smiley or something, but my inclusiveness comment was meant as SARCASM you see, because it WOULD be impossible to include everyone.

Also, I'm for everyone singing their own religious songs... but not in school. I can just see how up in arms the Christians would be if someone went around singing about Satan or the FSM and being touched by his noodley appendage. Also, if you're so set that you want your kids to celebrate Christmas in school, then send them to a damn private parochial school, where they DO that kind of stuff.
coolclay
Wow I'll tell ya there are some real left wing nutjobs out there, apperently this superintendent is one of them.

If you've never heard South Parks Mr. Garrison's Christmas song I suggest you do. I think the kids should sing that song next year.

http://www.electricedge.com/greymatter/mrgarrisonxmas.MP3
criticaldensity
Ok, maybe i can explain. The peope who put on these acts have a background in MUSIC. Swing is type of MUSIC. Are you following me? Do you see the light at the end of the tunnel YET??? Like big band orchestra or a swing band. SO......these people had good intentions and NOT their minds in the gutter like the moronic parent or YOU did. When you hear HO HO HO, do you think Santa is saying ****** ****** ******?? Obviously a generation gap between the orchestrators and the 22 year old parents. Good grief people, cut back on the porn and ghetto talk and recalibrate your minds to the proper english definitions. Not the slang.
S3nd K3ys
criticaldensity wrote:
Ok, maybe i can explain. The peope who put on these acts have a background in MUSIC. Swing is type of MUSIC. Are you following me? Do you see the light at the end of the tunnel YET??? Like big band orchestra or a swing band. SO......these people had good intentions and NOT their minds in the gutter like the moronic parent or YOU did. When you hear HO HO HO, do you think Santa is saying ***** ***** *****?? Obviously a generation gap between the orchestrators and the 22 year old parents. Good grief people, cut back on the porn and ghetto talk and recalibrate your minds to the proper english definitions. Not the slang.


don't get too worked up, the changing sex partners was a jab at the fact that they changed the name/lyrics of the song because it containes "Merry Christmas"
gonzo
daniel15 wrote:
gonzo wrote:
wtf

As usual, gonzo has enlightened us with one of his very informative posts. I wouldn't have learnt anything unless I read that post. Gonzo, your reply explained everything in great detail.
</sarcasm>


You weren't around. I was trying to fill your tiny shoes. They were just too small for me.
Reaper
Texas Al wrote:
Oh good grief. Both sides remind me of those "womyn" in college that insisted on using words like "herstory" and claimed physics was "phallocentric".

I have an idea for those bozos... teach the kids math, geography, and the English language at school so maybe the won't suck on standardized tests for a change... and let them get their culture and religion at home.

No wonder half my lab is from China. I bet they don't go through this "magic tree" vs "them atheists wanna steal Christmas" nonsense in schools over there.

I'm seriously going to homeschool my kids if I ever have them. Too bad I'll still probably have to pay real estate taxes to teach everyone else's kids whatever nonsense the dominant cult of the time will want them to believe.


Eh steal christmas huh? I think you have been watching the grinch a little to much man. Also since when does being an atheists mean your bad at school work? From where I stand if you dont spend time at church you could use those 4 other wise wasted hours to learn, Also those bozos do teach kids math, geography, oh and as for english last time i checked there wasn't any such class, oh wait nvm its called ENGLISH class amazing isn't it?
Also they shouldn't and cant teach religion in school anyways because schools teach things that are useful in real life and last time i checked warshiping some god isn't useful, oh wait unless you call running into a school full of children or a hospital with a bomb straped to your chest and yell in the name of buda or what ever god you warship useful. And as far as changing it from merry christmas to we wish you a swinging holiday, I cant see anything that even suggests somthing about sex, but it does kinda remind me of... what was it called again... oh yeah the 60's so unless you dont like hippies this term shouldn't offend you.
And this guy who was offened more then likely was racist to begin with. changing sex partners? by that do you mean someone becoming gay or someone leaving their wife or husband to marry someone else, in that case you guys are a little late on this argument because this has been happening for a Very Very long time.
And if you do ever have kids and home-school them you do realize you actually have to know what the hell your teaching right? and by doing this you are depriving your kids the abuilty of socializing with their peers, that may not seem important to you or maby you just dont give a shit but believe me its very important. And from what I know there has never been a cult called the dominate cult of time, unless you are refering to living life to its fullest, in which case that isn't a cult its called Living your life the way you want to live it, also that nonsense you will still have to pay for other kids to learn? guess what you still have to teach them that nonsense only difference is your the one who has to do it!
Texas Al
Reaper wrote:

Also they shouldn't and cant teach religion in school anyways because schools teach things that are useful in real life and last time i checked warshiping some god isn't useful, oh wait unless you call running into a school full of children or a hospital with a bomb straped to your chest and yell in the name of buda or what ever god you warship useful.


Last time I checked, schools teach ******-all that's useful in real life, and when they do, it's watered down to the point where the kids don't take it seriously.

Quote:

And as far as changing it from merry christmas to we wish you a swinging holiday, I cant see anything that even suggests somthing about sex, but it does kinda remind me of... what was it called again... oh yeah the 60's so unless you dont like hippies this term shouldn't offend you.


S3nd was joking in the original message. But I was responding to the actual article he linked.

Quote:

And if you do ever have kids and home-school them you do realize you actually have to know what the hell your teaching right?


I'm planning to wait until I get done with my PhD (bio), my post-doctoral work, and probably well on my way to tenure before I have kids (which should be an example for the rest of you breeding-like-rabbits chavs out there). But the point is, I will know what the hell I'm teaching them, thanks for asking.

I think you've got me confused with someone who's against the separation of church and state. I am very much for it, and think religious indoctrination should stay the hell away from publicly funded schools. At the same time, it's kind of Orwellian to censor even innocent cultural expressions of holiday cheer. It's a traditional song, so sing it like it's written, that doesn't necesserily imply endorsement. Otherwise you might as well start removing all Christian references from the novels assigned in lit class.
Soulfire
I don't agree with the dissing Christian songs, not at all, but as stated before - there could be MANY meanings, and someone misinterpreted it. People just look for things to make national incidents, I swear.
paul_indo
Quote:
Political correctness in America really seems to have gone overboard. Like texas al said, what's up with mixing all those cultural education stuff in school when the basic skills are not properly taught? Loosen up on the beliefs...and start teaching in schools.


The whole western world has gone completely wacky on not offending anyone.

Why not teach tolerance instead so that people don't get offended so easily by something as silly as Merry Christmas?

I bet they still want to have the holiday don't they.

I am a christian living in a predominantly moslem country. At Ramadhan they have muslim songs in the shopping malls and supermarkets. At christmas they have christian and christmas songs.

Nobody is so insecure as to be offended by this.

Singapore is Great. They celebrate all the christian, Moslem and hindu holidays because that is their religious poppulation demographic.

I think you have a good point here denggi
Quote:
Loosen up on the beliefs...and start teaching in schools.


Do the atheists really think there children are in danger of becoming "religious" or something if they sing merry christmas in school?
Concentrate on teaching them the thre R's, many school kids round the world now can't even do that well. Oh sorry, school children, kids are baby goats aren't they.Laughing

I'm glad I live in South East Asia and don't have to put up with all that "cr.p" any more.

moslems here will wish me a happy ramadhan and I will wish them a merry christmas and we can all return the greeting without some crazy thoughts of political correctness or being offended.
Arnie
So there are lots of topics on Frihost about stuff like this. About how paranoid people are, and that they make a big fuss about something the poster considers (<-- that is a neutral phrasing) small, of little importance or simply ridiculous. The interesting part is that they are making a big fuss about that. And I think it's pretty ridiculous. They are whining and whining about how others are (in their eyes) whining. They're annoyed about that, but I'm actually getting pretty annoyed of this bash-bash-bash stuff, usually with overused sarcasm. I think we get the picture by now.

But hey (adding the finishing touch with some overused sarcasm of my own) we have to get our points filled with something, right?
gowtham1990
tats is so ugly

how can children be like tis tat too xmas

bad
Reaper
Texas AI wrote:
Last time I checked, schools teach ****-all that's useful in real life, and when they do, it's watered down to the point where the kids don't take it seriously.

This may have been true in the 60s but not anymore, and no all the info they teach is not watered down, its actually getting harder and harder to graduate because most all states are upgrading the standards in terms of credits and they are also raising the grade averages you need to pass certain classess.

paul_indo wrote:
Do the atheists really think there children are in danger of becoming "religious" or something if they sing merry christmas in school?
Concentrate on teaching them the thre R's, many school kids round the world now can't even do that well. Oh sorry, school children, kids are baby goats aren't they.

I'm glad I live in South East Asia and don't have to put up with all that "cr.p" any more.

As far as i'm concerned no, christmas songs wont make kids become religious, but because of the law seperation of church and state they shouldn't have them sing Overly religious songs, but the minor one's are quite fine. and again they do teach those things in school, but then again you wouldn't know because you cant visit U.S schools because your in another country right?
Also just a suggestion but your all assuming that teachers changed the words to the song, but did you even consider that maby the kids changed it? teachers are giving students more say in those extra activitys after all.
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