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IceAgeD
Old Times!!!

I played this good game for 6 months and I don't play on Blizzard...

Someone here played on Blizz yet?
Nirotu
IceAgeD wrote:
Old Times!!!

I played this good game for 2 years and I don't play on Blizzard...

Someone here played on Blizz yet?


I kinda find that hard to believe since it's been out for little over a year...

Anyway, i currently play... it's a great MMO for the casual gamer out there, so it works for me.
picsite
world of warcraft seems like an amazing game but i cant afford to keep paying every month...by the way how much does it cost for you every month?
Dread Lord Chaos
$20 a month
eqfan
almost 1 year since play world of warcraft(MMORPG version)
elcyron
IceAgeD wrote:

I played this good game for 2 years and I don't play on Blizzard...

Someone here played on Blizz yet?


there is a number of pirateservers ( no i will not provide any links) some of them provide lots of XP or let you start at lvl 60. problem is they're hardly mmorpg with 10 people playing.
playing with blizz is best for playing even though it costs some money.

to answer the question: i did, i do and i will be playing on blizzardrealms for a long time
althalus
What's this, the 4th or 5th thread about WoW? Rolling Eyes

I play on eu server Stormreaver (pvp) and have been from about a week after the release (due to ordering the game from UK, took a few days for shipping).

Now, I believe you could have been playing the game for longer than the year it's been around (with the public beta and all). I managed to play the final beta and fell in love with the game enough to play it legally. (Razz)

Blizzard is doing a pretty good job, imo. Sure the servers lagg like shizzle and sometimes it's hard to connect and what not, but overall though, I quite enjoy the game and give cred to Bliz for it.

Edit: And I pay about $12 per month. Not $20 like someone suggested, although I guess it varys, since I play in Europe. *shrug* Smile
tefa_taftaf2010
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Someone here played on Blizz yet?


i'm like you
Jamatu
I've been playing wow since the second day it came out, Not sure how you've been playing it for over 2 years though since it hasn't been out (Post-Beta) for a year yet.
WaCk0
I Just started playing it on a friends Acct i love the game love the graphix but hate the price .. for the first 7 months you pay like 100 Euro's then 66 euro's per 6 months

Verry expensive but i think its worth it
krazyfire
its expensive but is really addictive
bkatz
IceAgeD wrote:
Old Times!!!

I played this good game for 6 months and I don't play on Blizzard...

Someone here played on Blizz yet?


you mean you use the hacked private servers Embarassed

blizz is much better...
elcyron
hrtorrent wrote:

I play WoW for 1 month and I never pay. There's several good free servers. At this server maybe is'nt that large number of players, but it free....


maybe you missed the point inf multiplayergaming... WoW is simluating a living world. you might as well play a singleplayergame if the number of players is low
nam_siddharth
I like warcraft series of Blizzard. I have played all games of this series exept "World of Warcraft". I hope it will also gr8 game like other games of Warcraft series. I have broadband connection now, so I will soon buy this game.
Xiecho
Shocked Wow !!! I ve never had a free Exclamation WOW server > are that is a kind of "emulator" server Question Confused
yyh21m
It's a great game!
DX-Blog
Xiecho wrote:
Shocked Wow !!! I ve never had a free Exclamation WOW server > are that is a kind of "emulator" server Question Confused

It are emulators yeh, and well yeh, blizzard can even care less about them. Just try them out and you'll see why... They just don't offer WOW... They give you a huge map and extreme lag, that's it. The most populated private servers I've seen got like 150 players on it at once and crash like every 10 minutes due to instability.

They are absolutely nothing compared to the official servers.
moncader
its not really that expensive, if you have a job, even a simple one, its affordable, I play it, pay for it, and I'm a student at a tech institute, forking out 15,000 bucks a year Razz
elcyron
DX-Blog wrote:
Xiecho wrote:
Shocked Wow !!! I ve never had a free Exclamation WOW server > are that is a kind of "emulator" server Question Confused

It are emulators yeh, and well yeh, blizzard can even care less about them. Just try them out and you'll see why... They just don't offer WOW... They give you a huge map and extreme lag, that's it. The most populated private servers I've seen got like 150 players on it at once and crash like every 10 minutes due to instability.


do you realise that by posting a link and asking people to join this server you endanger this forum to be shut down by blizz lawyers?
Yjaxygames
I wish I had World of Warcraft, but I can't afford it.
teriyaki
i used to work at internet cafe..
i can tell u there're people playing more than 24 hours straight with this game....
it's sick and very addictive i guess..
and personally, i love this game too
Warom
i dont like WoW its not the type of game for me. i prefer guild wars
Tsubakii
GREAT Game. Really. All I can say. It really isn't that good till you actually get to play it then WoW.. pardon the pun. :P. It gets better the farther you get, the beginning gets very repetative. But I guess that was the same as Diablo II aswell. Anyways, great game, really worth buying.
jozsi1983
Yea its a very awesome game. If you want to play by the rules you can get on the OFFICAL servers but if you want to play on private servers you can. I don't think thats right but hey i know theres alot of poor college kids out there like me that want to play but don't have the cash. Just remember the free servers can be very unfair sometimes. Not saying I have played on any of them. I'm just saying thats what I have heard
jozsi1983
OH YEA!!! totally forgot what i was going to say. POST your character name and server and maybe we all can get together. I know some servers are full so I know people don't want to wait for 5 days to get on.
Jamatu
Blizzard care ALOT about server emulation, i've seen a few games sites shut down for just discussing it.
caaltt
I can honetly say that I've virtually stopped paying for games except for
WOW!!
I do think it's worth the money for the amazing gaming experience you get. But of course this is at their current price.
It's right now on the borderline of worth to my pocket, so if their is any increase in subscription whether before or after Burning Crusade, I'm out!

For now however, I'm just dandy Smile
michael88
$12.99 every month, almost play it for a year, not worthy
ignition
I have it, but I just mooch off a friend's account. Definitely an incredible game.
strfry
Very neat game. Played for a whole year and just recently took a break from it. Playing on the real servers is definitely the way to go -- people -- that's the reason to play an MMO. I'll probably start up again once the expansion comes out. Furbolgs! That's gotta be the new Alliance race. Wink I just wish they'd let humans be hunters. =)
Slowhand
Well I have the game, it was really expensive! I will never pay so much again for a game. Games like NFS Underground / Most Wanted have a normal price. The makers of this game have to realize that many people cant afford it!
strfry
Slowhand wrote:
Well I have the game, it was really expensive! I will never pay so much again for a game. Games like NFS Underground / Most Wanted have a normal price. The makers of this game have to realize that many people cant afford it!


What you say is true, but there are other, less expensive games for those who can't afford these high priced ones. There are enough people who can afford the high cost that companies will create products for that market too. I don't see them making it cheaper, they don't need to. They have over 5 million subscribers at the current price.
Peep
Im playing World of Warcraft!
Basiclly on Sylvanas.
I have a level 10 Mage and a Level 15 Paladin.
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electric
Its a really fun game to play with your friends Very Happy
marquis51
Well I definitely agree on what was said about free servers, it has nothing to do with the real servers that have a real community, how do you want to go to molten core with 150 people on a server... unless you cheat to get back all the equipment and then really what is the point? I wouldn't play wow if I was permanently alone in all the regions I visit.

I also think it is a great game, but definitely too expensive. It s better to plan lots of free time playing if you want to feel your money spent is worth something.

Smile
Natrualkiller
first off the bad thing is paying but more players and updates i mean its worth it :
sangook
it's too expensive
lordcody
the game is okay. i dont see how people are addicted to it. if you can hack or you now any Illegal servers you can play for free. i hack so i play for free. I also have a Player editor so everyone is maxed out in stats with all the cool items!
jerski
i like the World of Warcraft but it's too much expensive for me Sad
strfry
lordcody wrote:
the game is okay. i dont see how people are addicted to it. if you can hack or you now any Illegal servers you can play for free. i hack so i play for free. I also have a Player editor so everyone is maxed out in stats with all the cool items!


Heh, any game where you are "maxed out in stats with all the cool items" from the start is only ever going to be "okay" at best. Doesn't anybody enjoy a challenge and competition anymore?
Josso
I don't really like the comitment of paying monthly for a computer game. But I have to admit it looks very good.
°ûÊ°»Jîg§åw«
I never really liked this game, it looked abit shit from what I saw from when I downloaded it.
Enderwiggin
Love this game, I have a 60 Undead Warlock on stonemaul, Its addictive, but not too much so.... It is definately my fav MMO as of yet... Razz
nakamaru
World of Warcraft is the single reason that I wish I had a better graphics card.
warning
I personally dont think so. I have played the game for about 3 months now and im bord. I got to lvl 27-29 with 3 char. Ive played with lvl 60 so dont tell be " O WELL THE GAME STARTS AT 60 ".. yea w/e... if your into the whole, im lvl 60 and i dont have to lvl anymore... but isnt the game about lvling?
Don1989
I've had the game for 9 months now and have 2 lvl 60's and am working on my third. £9.00 a month is worth it because I dont play another other game than WoW. I used to buy a game every month at least but the last game I bought before WoW was Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. Unlike RPG's like FF, this MMORPG is x10 as addictive because you can never finish it. Theres always something new coming out with every patch that just wants you to play more.

It does get boring at lvl 60 but when you are in 40 man instances such as Molten Core and Blackwing Lair, then you can't help but be amazed what 40 people can achieve from different corners of the globe in one computer game Razz
falcon007
Guys say what u want, but this game is for sure the best game ever made... Blizz really did make a great job, and is still doing it with making new patches every 1-2 weeks... I have the game since it came out, and it does NOT get borring at 60. When u are 60, and u are in any normal or better guild, u will start doing 40 man raids and will get more new items and have more fun then ever. I really thank Blizz for such a great game (and awaiting Burning Crusade now Very Happy ) As for payment, it is more expensive than other games, but not than other MMO games. I mean, take a look at some other MMO's that u must also pay for and u will see that WOW rullz ! Cool

EU Doomhammer (Normal) <<----->> The Valkyries
Hatchman33
WoW seems like the best game in the world right now. I am a 17 year old kid and I have played games my whole life. I am like a gaming addict. I have no idea why I like WoW because I have only liked playing First Person Shooters like Halo2 and World War 2 games such as Call of Duty. Games like WoW always seemed like studpid sissy games to me and I always told myself I would never try them out. However, with WoW not only did I try it out, but I freakn bought the game and became addicted to it. Right now its only costing $14.99 a month to play.
Zach Ownz
Dread Lord Chaos wrote:
$20 a month


only cost 15 a month for me....
Tilly
Coming from Final Fantasy XI, I can safely say that WoW is the best MMORPG out right now. While it is not without its problems, WoW has solved a great number of the frustrations that are present in many of the previous MMORPGs.

The cost isn't too bad if you have a job. Think of it as 3 cheeseburgers a month, or one large pizza. I'd trade that for a month's worth of entertainment, sure....well as long as I'm not starving that is. Very Happy
kansloos
hmmm...

I heard World of Warcraft is a very good game, but didn't someone commited suicide because of the game?
strfry
kansloos wrote:
hmmm...

I heard World of Warcraft is a very good game, but didn't someone commited suicide because of the game?


Over five million people play this game. I wouldn't be surprised if one committed suicide because of the game. I also wouldn't be suprised if one met the love of their life because of the game. However, I would be surprised if the game was so powerful it actually caused such events to take place, like some evil sentient being that is out to take over the world.
Rotengel
I never paid for WoW. But I did GM on a free server. We did pretty good until I got bored with it and the server ended up shutting down.
Jupiter2
World Of Warcraft is just an amazing game, its pricy $20,- a month, and ive u play it only 2 days a week it getting expeniver... but it stays a nice game
bilham
i havnt played wow before because of the having to pay monthly situation yet i hear from alot of mates that its really good they play it alot even have LAN parties, do you recoment playing it?

thanks
Manix
I've played WOW for quite a while.. and it's not exactly on the official forums... but it's a very addicting game.. witch made me get bored of it after a good 2 months.. i played it so much.. i got bored.. anyway.. the concept is great..

I don't understand why it's the most played MMORPG in the world.. with games like EVE Online and Guild Wars out there... but I think it's a combination of advertising, great graphics/performance ration (attracting everyone, even with very low-end computers.. Smile ), lack of bugs (witch killed many great MMO's Mad )... overall it's a very very good game, but I can't compare it with the 1 million players in EVE Online AT THE SAME TIME (!) Cool ...
Natrualkiller
blizzard has the population and more "guild feel" shows the full game
Enderwiggin
warning wrote:
I personally dont think so. I have played the game for about 3 months now and im bord. I got to lvl 27-29 with 3 char. Ive played with lvl 60 so dont tell be " O WELL THE GAME STARTS AT 60 ".. yea w/e... if your into the whole, im lvl 60 and i dont have to lvl anymore... but isnt the game about lvling?


The game does start at 60, once you earn your own character there, but the real question is, what classes did you play? sometimes you wouldnt expect to find certain classes that are fun, fun... *Shrugs*
Travelmom
This game really makes you spend alot of time.
all obsorbing!
boringest
this game can cause you serious problems in life...if you have problem with addiction to games, it's good to avoid WoW. I've tried playing it for just 2 days, and i cannot stop now...lol...v. bad.
althalus
Actually, I don't know about that addiction factor. Sure, you get hooked, but.. I've taken two extensive "leaves" from the game of about 1 month each and I didn't feel the urge to go back and play.. (Granted, I was playing a paladin and doing a pretty lousy job, so I blame that Razz)

Recently I started playing a troll priest together with a friend (troll hunter) and we play a few hours now and then. Good fun. Smile
Jamatu
boringest wrote:
this game can cause you serious problems in life...if you have problem with addiction to games, it's good to avoid WoW. I've tried playing it for just 2 days, and i cannot stop now...lol...v. bad.

Rofl, yeah this game is VERY addicting. It has a lot of playability and blizz just keeps adding more and more for us to do and to keep us playing.

I get bored of the game sometimes but a few hours later I always come back to it Shocked
benwhite
Everyone here seen the WoW video with Leroy Jenkins? Because if you haven't, google and watch it. Absolutely hilarious.

"Leroy, you're just stupid as hell."

"At least I got chicken."

hehe.
Solugon
Oh, god. I've pulled off more than a few accidental Leeroy Jenkins myself... I'm a level 19 (soon to be 20) Tauren Druid by the name of Solugon on the Shadow Council server. I personally love the game, especially cause the server I play on is an RP server! Very Happy

The addiction factor on WoW is so huge... I've stopped playing for a few months before, so I know that you can suddenly stop playing WoW all of the sudden, with no really apparent reason. The Battlegrounds and PvP system they have make you just want to play for longer, and the graphics make me drool every time I see them. I wish they added more character customization though. Sad
Jamatu
benwhite wrote:
Everyone here seen the WoW video with Leroy Jenkins? Because if you haven't, google and watch it. Absolutely hilarious.

"Leroy, you're just stupid as hell."

"At least I got chicken."

hehe.

Old news Razz the new wow "fad" is Chuck Norris! Although he alread seems to be quickly fading, I wonder who or what will be the next!
Solugon
Yeeesh. I've actually taken a liking to sabotaging my guild's war cry...

"Talrekka: FOR THE HORDE!!!"
"Solugon: AND CHUCK NORRIS!!!"

Gives me an INSANE giggle every time I see that. Very Happy
KRONIC
na i dont like those sort of games man..they relly lame and make yuh dizzy rell fast!! Cool
lockwolf
MM0=Lame! You buy the game then pay to play it? Does that make any sense?
benwhite
I don't own or play it, so my only exposure is leroy. Still funny for me.

Chuck Norris jokes are funny in general, WoW or not. One of my personal favorites: Chuck Norris doesn't tea bag, he potato sacks.
elcyron
lockwolf wrote:
MM0=Lame! You buy the game then pay to play it? Does that make any sense?


you have a point there. maintaining the servers is quite expensive so a monthly fee is acceptable, but the price for the box is way to high.
it didn't stop me from buying though
benwhite
Then i guess the price wasn't too high Smile they'll always charge what people are willing to play.
Natrualkiller
Its worth to play blizz server first off you get the updates and they update it a lot there on 1.10 now second its legal lol third more people more choice im not sure if you can choose rp pvp pve rppvp on non blizzard servers but i think its worth paying the 12.99 a month or w.e it is again
elcyron
only downside is that blizzard doesn't realy care about their RP policy. for example names have to be fantasylike and not OOCrelated, also any talk about nonWOW stuff is forbidden in public channels. yet there ar a lot of names like n00bchecker, roflcopter, people chatting 'bout the football championship or hopping around naked in the cities rofling their *sses of.

ther's a lot of complaining going on, but blizz doesn't care. so a lot of serious roleplayers think about going to an illegal RPrealm
Summoner01
I have a wish Razz Can you send me name and url for good blizzlike World of warcraft server ? I was playing in many sh!t servers... I don't have a money for blizzard server, but if only you have a good server, send me !
JimJamDragoonr
Yeah I have both Guild Wars and World of Warcraft and I haven't decided which one I like better. WoW gives you a huge world just waiting to be explored while Guild Wars seems to hold your hand a bit more while you travel through. What I do like about GW more than WoW is the fact that it has an actual storyline. I was really lossed with WoW when I first got it and didn't even play for a month. After awhile though it becomes addicting and way to much fun to play.
DivineConclave
Since I was 'not so politely' asked to move our WoW topic to the 'original thread', which I assume is this, I will make it easy and link the thread here.

http://www.frihost.com/forums/vt-46243.html

I guess... if anyone has any replies... umm... yeah.. reply here? heh
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Blackangel
Yes I'm a blizz fan. I just find their game having much more in-depth planning . I wa a Diablo II addicted Razz but WoW is an entire new Universe. There is an incredible number of details you discover each time you log in, MAny classes and also many differnet ways to play in each act. But what makes it more addicting is the way you interact with other people, the emotes, the mood the whole game has. You can easily get dragged into its virtual reality while ypou play. Yes the graphics are not as good as others, but the mood makes you forget graphic details.. Most addictive game i've ever played..
Saber
also as DivineConclave said, Im going to continue from the linked post.

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I have a rogue who I am trying to get the full defias set. I often get, "What you're wearing is better." Now here's my thing... on an RP server, it shouldn't be questioned. I know what I have already is better stat wise... but anyway... back to the topic... the defias set is going for upwards of 20 gold for the whole set (minus the chest piece of course) and that's not including the rapiers.


heh, well I guess thats understandable and I guess I might do that also If I played on a RP server, but I dont know what most of the armor looks like, as either Its been so long from when I played or just that I never got anyof it. Altho it is rather nice with the, um, what do they call it... the window where you can see what something else looks like on your character? Anyways, with a mod of itemsync I can 'play dressup' and then go hunting for those items, only to out level them by the time I find them or give up.

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That would be cool. But Man, that would suck too. Would have to be an improved summon talent or something that you could build up to negate that effect.

Yah it would suck, somewhat at least, and your right about having the skill level for having that not happen as much. But I still think that something like that would be needed otherwise it would be like the necro having two small fodder walls. And yah, that would give too much of an advantage I think. Hunters/warlocks with their pets can cause some damage but unless they are really being an issue you cna still go after the character. But if you have a few of them, you get stuned too often(mainly for casters) or you have to spend that extra time to kill them off first while the neco is just beating on you.

@Lyriqz
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Along with a new type of PVP battle.

What kind of pvp were you thinking of? I know blizzard is making world pvp areas, but thats going to be a while.

Also the cross server bg are going to change things... I hope that it would make the que time for getting in a lot shorter, due to there being a lot more people. But that also can be a bad thing.. depending on how the market is going on different servers(somewhat at least). On one server it might be very easy to get tweek items due to most people are level 60 allready, where in a newer server people wont have the option to get all the sets that they want. Anyone see my point in that?

-saber
DivineConclave
Saber wrote:
also as DivineConclave said, Im going to continue from the linked post.

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I have a rogue who I am trying to get the full defias set. I often get, "What you're wearing is better." Now here's my thing... on an RP server, it shouldn't be questioned. I know what I have already is better stat wise... but anyway... back to the topic... the defias set is going for upwards of 20 gold for the whole set (minus the chest piece of course) and that's not including the rapiers.


heh, well I guess thats understandable and I guess I might do that also If I played on a RP server, but I dont know what most of the armor looks like, as either Its been so long from when I played or just that I never got anyof it. Altho it is rather nice with the, um, what do they call it... the window where you can see what something else looks like on your character?



dressing room. Smile

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Anyways, with a mod of itemsync I can 'play dressup' and then go hunting for those items, only to out level them by the time I find them or give up.


Hmm... never tried that mod. NO! NOT ANOTHER MOD!! AAauuugggghhh...
I love my wardrobe mod. They stopped updating it, but it still works really well.

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That would be cool. But Man, that would suck too. Would have to be an improved summon talent or something that you could build up to negate that effect.

Yah it would suck, somewhat at least, and your right about having the skill level for having that not happen as much. But I still think that something like that would be needed otherwise it would be like the necro having two small fodder walls. And yah, that would give too much of an advantage I think. Hunters/warlocks with their pets can cause some damage but unless they are really being an issue you cna still go after the character. But if you have a few of them, you get stuned too often(mainly for casters) or you have to spend that extra time to kill them off first while the neco is just beating on you.


They'd have to consume a lot of mana to cast I think, also. I don't know how feasible it would really be. There would be a bunch of necros running around. Maybe necros should be alliance only to balance out the shaman overpowering. But that's moot since blizz is screwing that up anyway. heheh

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@Lyriqz
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Along with a new type of PVP battle.

What kind of pvp were you thinking of? I know blizzard is making world pvp areas, but thats going to be a while.


In PvP and RP/PvP servers, the world is a PvP area. But no one uses it except for gankers because of the crappy battlegrounds. I really wish they would have never developed the Battlegrounds. They seem to have seriously ruined the game on so many levels. It was when BGs came out that the game really started to nosedive.

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Also the cross server bg are going to change things... I hope that it would make the que time for getting in a lot shorter, due to there being a lot more people. But that also can be a bad thing.. depending on how the market is going on different servers(somewhat at least). On one server it might be very easy to get tweek items due to most people are level 60 allready, where in a newer server people wont have the option to get all the sets that they want. Anyone see my point in that?


Definitely. Been saying that since the idea came out. And to match up RP servers or Normal servers with PvP servers isn't exactly right either. But who knows? That may play out ok. But you're absolutely right about the twinking. Established servers will have the boon in the fight.
Not to mention the fact that the forums of each server are already being trolled beyond belief. Now they're being trolled by, not only their own members, but the members of other servers as well. I don't even bother going anymore because it's just children who couldn't get laid if they were linoleum trying to be witty but in actuality, being @$$es.
Saber
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Hmm... never tried that mod. NO! NOT ANOTHER MOD!! AAauuugggghhh...
I love my wardrobe mod. They stopped updating it, but it still works really well.


What all mods do you use? I only use a few:
-titan, so I have a better view of things
-itemsync, makes a list of items that you have seen in game, so you can look back at items
-bongos, allows me to change the size, opacity and where the hotkey bars are.
I think thats all I use,

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In PvP and RP/PvP servers, the world is a PvP area. But no one uses it except for gankers because of the crappy battlegrounds. I really wish they would have never developed the Battlegrounds. They seem to have seriously ruined the game on so many levels. It was when BGs came out that the game really started to nosedive.

Well what I ment is such as this, http://worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/1p12/outdoorpvp.xml
not just the pvp in contested areas.
DivineConclave
Saber wrote:
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Hmm... never tried that mod. NO! NOT ANOTHER MOD!! AAauuugggghhh...
I love my wardrobe mod. They stopped updating it, but it still works really well.


What all mods do you use? I only use a few:
-titan, so I have a better view of things
-itemsync, makes a list of items that you have seen in game, so you can look back at items
-bongos, allows me to change the size, opacity and where the hotkey bars are.
I think thats all I use,



Wardrobe
Lore
Various CT_ components
Guild Roster (which isn't working atm)
Guild Event Manager
Titan
Flighttracker
Bookworm

I think there are a couple others that I am forgetting. But of course, CT_MOD is about 20 mods in one. hehe..

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In PvP and RP/PvP servers, the world is a PvP area. But no one uses it except for gankers because of the crappy battlegrounds. I really wish they would have never developed the Battlegrounds. They seem to have seriously ruined the game on so many levels. It was when BGs came out that the game really started to nosedive.

Well what I ment is such as this, http://worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/1p12/outdoorpvp.xml
not just the pvp in contested areas.


*still grumbles*
More PvP stuff being added. Blizzard DOES realize that it isn't a PvP only game, right?
Saber
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Wardrobe
Lore
Various CT_ components
Guild Roster (which isn't working atm)
Guild Event Manager
Titan
Flighttracker
Bookworm

er... I only know what some ct stuff is, and what titan is, but I can guess at what the others do.
Most mods are far from usefull to me due to I dont play as much as I used to and I havent played with being in a guild that needs stuff like that in a long long time..
I used to be in a guild called SFC, its still around, but I havnt kept any contact with them. When I was in it, I really liked it beacuse we all 'knew' each other either personally or linked from someone we personaly knew.
But then school came along and handed me work to do.. and had to stop playing, droped from the guild and yah..

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More PvP stuff being added. Blizzard DOES realize that it isn't a PvP only game, right?

well... that may be found out by a coin toss..... blizzards coin... with heads on both sides..
Granted this isnt like the BG, more like contested area, but theres more point to it than just ganking anything that you see.

I do with that they would spend more time on the game play and patches, etc but as for the moment they seem to think that pvp is the way to go.
But also, I was thinking.. because they said that there will be things that will be open to those who dont get the expantion also, Im wondering if they will add more gameplay in then.

But untill then we just wait and hope that they dont get some crazy idea in mind and decide to revert all the players to level 1.... or something.

-saber
DivineConclave
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Various CT_ components
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er... I only know what some ct stuff is, and what titan is, but I can guess at what the others do.
Most mods are far from usefull to me due to I dont play as much as I used to and I havent played with being in a guild that needs stuff like that in a long long time..


Yeah. Most of mine are RP mods...
oh yeah.. add FlagRSP to that list
...and being a GL, mods to help me with the guild.

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I used to be in a guild called SFC, its still around, but I havnt kept any contact with them. When I was in it, I really liked it beacuse we all 'knew' each other either personally or linked from someone we personaly knew.
But then school came along and handed me work to do.. and had to stop playing, droped from the guild and yah..


School and work. When will the madness end? They're taking away from our WoW time!

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More PvP stuff being added. Blizzard DOES realize that it isn't a PvP only game, right?

well... that may be found out by a coin toss..... blizzards coin... with heads on both sides..


hehe.. It's Blizzard. They're not going to toss one of their precious coins. They'd steal it from the players first and then say, "Oh. It's for a maintenance patch." -- "Oops. We broke something last patch. We need another coin to patch our patch."

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Granted this isnt like the BG, more like contested area, but theres more point to it than just ganking anything that you see.


It would be interesting to see if it helps a bit then. I am very skeptical though.

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I do with that they would spend more time on the game play and patches, etc but as for the moment they seem to think that pvp is the way to go.
But also, I was thinking.. because they said that there will be things that will be open to those who dont get the expantion also, Im wondering if they will add more gameplay in then.


They're adding a little more, but it's all ridiculously hard to acquire. I don't understand why they are focusing so much on PvP. Anyone can get PvP on ANY game... it isn't like they're doing something new and different there to keep the players. I know about 15 people who have left WoW in the past month because Blizzard is just going downhill and focusing way too much on PvP. They advertised the game as "A game for the casual gamer"... but it isn't... at all. There are other games out there (CoH, AC2, etc) that are better suited for the casual gamer. WoW is VERY play play play oriented. Nothing casual about having to keep your honor or having to grind the hell out of rep. I am not a casual gamer, but it's just an observation.

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-saber


I would like that, actually.
Hell.. I'd take that. Make us level 1, but let us keep our gear... something to sell to start off with. hehe... I wouldn't mind at all. But I know it would suck for everyone else. LOL
lunatic07
i dont realy like world of warcraft like dungeons and dragons and stuff thats kind of....gay like those kind of games are for like people who are never gonna have sex, i dont know why people get addicted to that game because it gets you problems with addiction and all you play is that game like go play some fps or something better then wow its actually real stuff not magic and all.
DivineConclave
lunatic07 wrote:
i dont realy like world of warcraft like dungeons and dragons and stuff thats kind of....gay like those kind of games are for like people who are never gonna have sex, i dont know why people get addicted to that game because it gets you problems with addiction and all you play is that game like go play some fps or something better then wow its actually real stuff not magic and all.


I don't really like morons who feel the need to enter other people's threads and flame them. Chances are they never like... have sex. I don't know why people get addicted to being jack@$$es.
Another thing I can't stand are people who don't know how to use punctuation. Your post holds no importance in this thread on the grounds that you are an obvious idiot.

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You're looking for 'than', not 'then'. When you finish middle school, you'll know this, I suppose.
Now stop flaming a legitimate thread.
Zpanzer
lunatic07 wrote:
i dont realy like world of warcraft like dungeons and dragons and stuff thats kind of....gay like those kind of games are for like people who are never gonna have sex, i dont know why people get addicted to that game because it gets you problems with addiction and all you play is that game like go play some fps or something better then wow its actually real stuff not magic and all.


Playing a game like World of Warcraft dosnt instantly equals that you are a 34 guy with full beard sitting down his mothers basement with 50 liter of cola and have 10 dirty magazines lying beside him, his skin is white like a linen and his stomach dont fit inside his slim-line t-shirt anymore.

I play this game and i play it much, but i never let it come before real life like homework from school, friends etc.
Girls might see me as a nerd, buts a life style ive choosen, and i enjoy no matter what people think about me or say.
Also, there is some kind of universal thing that all none gaming people think:
If you play a game, you are surely some dude that will take a pistol with 56 clips and run out and begin shooting heavily around you due to you have seen it in a game called GTA, nor playing medieval like games like the Warcraft genre, people think that you are going out and begins to chop people down with your heavy axe of eternal doom.
DivineConclave
Zpanzer wrote:
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i dont realy like world of warcraft like dungeons and dragons and stuff thats kind of....gay like those kind of games are for like people who are never gonna have sex, i dont know why people get addicted to that game because it gets you problems with addiction and all you play is that game like go play some fps or something better then wow its actually real stuff not magic and all.


nor playing medieval like games like the Warcraft genre, people think that you are going out and begins to chop people down with your heavy axe of eternal doom.


YOu have one of those too? Man, I was told it was a rare BoP.
KSheriff
I quit a while ago. It just took too much of my free time.
Very good game, but at 60 expect a whole different ball game.
Enjoyment of the game at 60 is pretty dependant on your guild and class, especially Horde side on most servers.

I sure others can elaborate, if need be. (Ex-Hunters and Rogues)
m_furquan36
Really worth the money Smile its like you always do something or the other cant get bored well eventually you do but you start another charcter Razz
DivineConclave
KSheriff wrote:
I quit a while ago. It just took too much of my free time.
Very good game, but at 60 expect a whole different ball game.
Enjoyment of the game at 60 is pretty dependant on your guild and class, especially Horde side on most servers.

I sure others can elaborate, if need be. (Ex-Hunters and Rogues)


Yeah it does take quite a bit of time. I dunno about the 60 thing though. I always seem to find something to do and our guild is small at the moment. (About 30 people). I might not have loads of "phat epix" or tons of gold, but I still enjoy playing.
sonic
I most say I do the same as you DivineConclave, i'm in a small guild and I dosn't have lots of good stuff and gold but still it is hell fun to play!
DivineConclave
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I most say I do the same as you DivineConclave, i'm in a small guild and I dosn't have lots of good stuff and gold but still it is hell fun to play!


Yeah. We had 100+ members, all healers, with a "subguild" which was our non-healer department. They held about 50+ members. We were about to start raiding when the typical drama occurred and the guild split up. Trying to reform it. It's fun either way. As long as your main focus isn't loot, the game is fun. When your focus becomes the loot, I notice that people get arrogant, rude, and selfish. The game is no longer fun at that point.
biffb
Been playing for almost two years now...it's like crack dipped in heroin with cocaine sprinkles Wink.
DivineConclave
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Been playing for almost two years now...it's like crack dipped in heroin with cocaine sprinkles Wink.


Mmmm... Donuts.

Yeah. Definitely World of Warcrack. I don't deny its addictive qualities. But any MMO is kinda like that. Well... there are some exceptions. EQ was an easy one to laugh at and walk away from. The designers are smart, that's for sure. heh
nam_siddharth
I am playing "World of Warcraft" for 3 months now. But I have never played on Blizzard. I have played on many private servers, and most of them were fun servers. Fun servers have very fast exp. rate and have maximum character lvl of 255. Currently I am playing on a Blizzlike server. I will start to play on Blizzard, when "The Burning Crusades" expansion arrive.
Saber
sorry for not posting again.. stupid work..

Anyways, I have to agree with you about how item based guilds are, at least in my mind, pointless. I have seen people banned from a guild because they didnt heal at that second.. It just ruins the game.

Speaking of the people that tend to be in those guilds...
http://www.twitchguru.com/2006/08/08/world_of_warcraft_players_addicted/
more than 40% of the people are addicted..
I think that this is one of the problems with it...

I Know wow is a great game... could be better and they keep on doing stupid things, but it wont keep me from playingit.
Now I dont play all the time, I have access to it I do sometimes sit around bored and know I could play wow, but I dont. I do have my moments like I mentioned before where I play for long times at odd hours, but I wouldnt call that having an addiction..

I wonder how long it will be before there are support groups for game addics widly known. Now to be fair wow is by far not the most addicting games out there... there only have been a few deaths with wow as the cause and some of those are most likely just trying to blame wow to get suit money.

But life happens, I have a note on my pc that says "Remember, you have a life, you need to eat, you need to live"

The reason why its there is more of a joke than anything(read the exile hand book(or one of the other myst games)) and it has something like that.

do you think your 'addicted' or not to WoW?
DivineConclave
Saber wrote:
sorry for not posting again.. stupid work..

Anyways, I have to agree with you about how item based guilds are, at least in my mind, pointless. I have seen people banned from a guild because they didnt heal at that second.. It just ruins the game.

Speaking of the people that tend to be in those guilds...
http://www.twitchguru.com/2006/08/08/world_of_warcraft_players_addicted/
more than 40% of the people are addicted..
I think that this is one of the problems with it...

I Know wow is a great game... could be better and they keep on doing stupid things, but it wont keep me from playingit.
Now I dont play all the time, I have access to it I do sometimes sit around bored and know I could play wow, but I dont. I do have my moments like I mentioned before where I play for long times at odd hours, but I wouldnt call that having an addiction..

I wonder how long it will be before there are support groups for game addics widly known. Now to be fair wow is by far not the most addicting games out there... there only have been a few deaths with wow as the cause and some of those are most likely just trying to blame wow to get suit money.

But life happens, I have a note on my pc that says "Remember, you have a life, you need to eat, you need to live"

The reason why its there is more of a joke than anything(read the exile hand book(or one of the other myst games)) and it has something like that.

do you think your 'addicted' or not to WoW?


I know I'm addicted. I admit it. And I do play a lot. However, it wouldn't be that big of a deal for me to quit if I had something else to do. I have been looking for a job for some time now, have resumés all over the world. I know that a lot of why I play so much is because I am home so much. BUt my addiction isn't with the game. It's with the people in the guild. We have become INCREDIBLE friends to the point where one of them found out I was an ordained priest and I will be holding her and her fiancé's (who also plays in the guild) wedding ceremony in real life. To me, that's what it's about... it isn't about the purpz, it isn't about the phat lewtz.
I am addicted to cigarettes, I am addicted to coffee, and I am addicted to WoW. Fortunately, my WoW addiction is easily remedied if I want to. But I don't want to right now. It eases my depression. Unfortunately, it is the cheapest addiction of all of them.
I saw that article you posted before. Here's my theory on experts... they're only experts on the things they want to complain about.
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understandable. If I wasnt here in this server room all day I know I would be at home playing WOW. But as it stands I dont feel like doing much when I get home.

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Haahah, thats awsome. Your right, the game is more about things like that, not the items.. even tho many people make it into that kind it game.

Iv found it harder to find people that are enjoyable to play with but all my friends keep on going on different servers. Thus making me have to pick and choose where to go and for how long. Then they take a break and then I start a new character on another server.. so that leaves me allmost allways below level 40 but meh, thats ok.

True the quests are really starting to get on my nerve... so I try to take turns for different races, and horde/alliance.(gives me a little bit different, but less so for the horde)


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Unfortunately, it is the cheapest addiction of all of them.

ahha.. that might be true, $15 a month adds up, but its a lot cheaper than a normal person will spend in a month on pointless stuff that wasnt needed. Such as getting vending food/drink when not really hungry, or um, spending money on something just because you have it.(cant think of anything.)

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I saw that article you posted before. Here's my theory on experts...
Iv also seen lots of articles about the same topic. But in truth, your right, they are only experts on things they want to bash.

and for those people that get to indepth into games.. the game didnt cause them to do that.. anything that the person would have done if the game wasnt there would be blamed for it. Its the people(sad to say) not the games..
bonestorm74
I just returned to this game after a year's break. After playing it for several months initially I was quite sick of it and vowed never to go back. However now I am playing with some friends again and really enjoying it. I will probably play for another month or so... the fact that there's no new games out there to entice me is a factor in me playing WoW, it just does everything so well.
DivineConclave
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I know that a lot of why I play so much is because I am home so much.

understandable. If I wasnt here in this server room all day I know I would be at home playing WOW. But as it stands I dont feel like doing much when I get home.


hehe... Well, I been playing a bit less the past couple days because I just got a design gig with a local theatre. I think this is a good thing. I have been putting so much time into the guild structure and all that, that I forgot I had other skills. LOL

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It's with the people in the guild. We have become INCREDIBLE friends to the point where one of them found out I was an ordained priest and I will be holding her and her fiancé's (who also plays in the guild) wedding ceremony in real life.


Haahah, thats awsome. Your right, the game is more about things like that, not the items.. even tho many people make it into that kind it game.

Iv found it harder to find people that are enjoyable to play with but all my friends keep on going on different servers. Thus making me have to pick and choose where to go and for how long. Then they take a break and then I start a new character on another server.. so that leaves me allmost allways below level 40 but meh, thats ok.


Yeah. When I started playing SWG, my friend got me into it. I said, "This isn't going to be like AC2 where you get me into it, I start playing and getting into it, and you leave, right? He said, "No. I think I am going to stick with this one." so I played for a couple weeks... and he left. Same with CoH. WoW, he actually stayed with for a while, but left after a few months. So I just went my own way with it. But hey... I'll be on Maelstrom for a while if you can deal with the griefers there. hehe Of course, i have characters on about 5 servers or so... but Faeroth is my main now and will be for some time.


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True the quests are really starting to get on my nerve... so I try to take turns for different races, and horde/alliance.(gives me a little bit different, but less so for the horde)


Yeah. same here. I have horde and alliance alike. Hordeside seems to be full of the more immature types on the Maelstrom server. You know... the ones who will kill you when you're 10+ levels lower than them and then /laugh like you actually had a chance in the first place? Or the ones that will enter your territory with 4 of their friends and jump between you and the corpse when you're trying to loot in an attempt to get you to auto-flag, and then /laugh if it happens as though you had a chance. It has gotten to the point where I just started reporting people who do that because I don't feel like dealing with it anymore. PvP is one thing. Griefing is another.

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ahha.. that might be true, $15 a month adds up, but its a lot cheaper than a normal person will spend in a month on pointless stuff that wasnt needed. Such as getting vending food/drink when not really hungry, or um, spending money on something just because you have it.(cant think of anything.)


Or $100+ dollars a month on cigarettes? :-/. Of course I spend that anyway, in addition to the WoW... but that's not the point. hehe

But yeah. I used to seriously complain about the price of MMOs. They charge you $50 for the game and then $15 a month to play? WTF? Then I did some math. If you were to go to a video arcade and play a game there, you can't really play with other people and the average cost of the GOOD games out there is 75¢ to $1. Let's say you play just ONE game a day at the average game time of 10 minutes (in an arcade before you die and have to plug in more money). That's $22.50 to $30 a month for a miniscule amount of comparative time.

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I saw that article you posted before. Here's my theory on experts...
Iv also seen lots of articles about the same topic. But in truth, your right, they are only experts on things they want to bash.

and for those people that get to indepth into games.. the game didnt cause them to do that.. anything that the person would have done if the game wasnt there would be blamed for it. Its the people(sad to say) not the games..


True story. Hell... Heavy metal, techno, movies are all blamed for suicides and homocides. Actually... ya know what? THOSE PEOPLE ARE UNSTABLE! I can watch a movie, play a game, and listen to death metal. And... as far as I'm aware, I'm still alive and I haven't killed anyone.
DivineConclave
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I just returned to this game after a year's break. After playing it for several months initially I was quite sick of it and vowed never to go back. However now I am playing with some friends again and really enjoying it. I will probably play for another month or so... the fact that there's no new games out there to entice me is a factor in me playing WoW, it just does everything so well.


For the most part it does, I agree. I just wish they would learn how to balance better and how to listen to their player base. I think the game is great... the company is lacking.

But I bet you're playing a bit more laid back than you were too, right? I noticed that a lot of people who leave and come back, when they come back, they're more laid back about their playing and they enjoy it more.
Tubesock
All I can say is World of warcraft might be considered one of the best, and addicting games ever Razz If......... it wasn't for Blizzard's subpar customer service.
DivineConclave
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All I can say is World of warcraft might be considered one of the best, and addicting games ever Razz If......... it wasn't for Blizzard's subpar customer service.


A true statement. heh
fatepower
Yepp i play WOW but not so often cuz it's expensive.
Saber
Well Im sorry to see that this thread sorta died, but that happens,

Anyways, As we talked about before, about how pvp and such is going to change and what it will be like in the comming future, well they, blizzard, were kind enough to tell us.

Heres the audio http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/sounds-insider.html#chilton
or you can just read about it here, http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/insider/09/interview.xml

Sigh.. something along the lines of "before the honor people just pvp for fun" YES thats right... sigh now its not as much fun,
also I hadnt really thought about this before... they just figured that pvp and raiding is the main place that they made for end content, so people that play the game way to much have something to do..and not just add more content.

.. the GB to keep people intertained? I seem to think that it caused boredom.
hmmm at least they know about the problems with them, such as tweaks, or at wsg where you sit and get nothing done in hours.

Sigh AV, I think that even if the teams were unbalanced, its more realistic, and I liked the idea of having it in the world, and not an instance.

hmmm arena, I might like that idea, better than the bootybay area arena,
People being able to battle normaly.. even ally vs ally.

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thats good to know that they know that its not all about the time spent,

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I: So the battlegrounds would actually be something where players could effect a change in the overall game?

TC: We've got some ideas on how we might do that, but those are ones that I'm not ready to talk about just yet.
Bah, they really need it to do something more than just gear. .

Well Post what you think, their ideas good? or you think they going down even more?

-saber
DivineConclave
Saber wrote:
Well Im sorry to see that this thread sorta died, but that happens,

Anyways, As we talked about before, about how pvp and such is going to change and what it will be like in the comming future, well they, blizzard, were kind enough to tell us.

Heres the audio http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/sounds-insider.html#chilton
or you can just read about it here, http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/insider/09/interview.xml

Ill edit my post when I finish reading it, and add my comments.


Hmm.. listening to the interview.
Interesting. He pretty much admitted that the PvP system isn't very well balanced. Also, he mentions that they want to promote more PvE as well, requiring good gear to be gained from both, but he doesn't touch on the fact that the current honour system is the reason it's pretty much screwed at this point. What they need to do, to get people back into some of the PvE is tweak the honour system. I understand WHY they have it decay, but in doing so, the people who PvP never leave because they don't want to lose their rank. That's what they really need to work on to improve the PvP/PvE balance.
I do like the arena concept they're coming up with. That will help with PvP practice for same-faction training... plus, it will help with RP for "opposing guilds". Right now, the only arena is Gorubashi which pretty much means you get ganked if you try to go. Hopefully, they'll make the arenas in 'home territory' so people can 'train' from each other.
I like the team rating concept rather than individual (like the honour system). Individual honour when you're on a team is kinda unrelenting. That boils down to whoever has the better gear.
I'm still a little skeptical of the cross-server BG. But we'll have to see how that goes, I guess. If they do what he's talking about, looking at each team's gear before assigning a BG, that would be useful. I see a LOT of lag time on that though, with as laggy as their servers currently are.
I just can't believe that they have so many things to work on, and they're focusing on PvP... still. I would like to see some Guild upgrades (mail, house, in-game voting, raid tracker, etc). There are mods for these things, but it would be nice to have one local location in game to go to in order to do this. Not everyone downloads mods.

Is "incentivise" a word?

Would be good to see them give some incentive for world PvP. It would be better if they would give a DK or something similar to gankers.
*sigh* He's talking about encouraging spontaneous PvP. But we already have that... ganking. They're so encouraging more ganking with this resource node concept. I will most likely say "Screw Cenarion Hold Rep". I'll get to friendly for AQ and call it quits there. So much for running to Stratholme too. Time to get some warlocks for summoning.

It will be interesting to see how it turns out, but I really fear an increase in ganking with what he's talking about. The benefit is that you will have more of your own faction near by to defend... maybe. But with it as he's talking, it's going to be.. "LOOK! A RED! HE MUST HAVE A RESOURCE NODE! KILL HIM!" -coming from a 60 about a 40.

Skeptical, but curious. I'd like to see it work.
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thats good to know that they know that its not all about the time spent,


Yeah. That's one thing that's been bugging me is they keep talking about adding stuff for the more 'casual gamer' and then what they add ends up being more intense and more difficult than the previous. Take the 0.5 tier gear questline for instance. Hell.. it's easier to just get a regular raid group together for MC and get your tier2.

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Bah, they really need it to do something more than just gear. .


I agree completely. Again, too gear focused. Yes, gear is very nice... but it isn't the ALL of the game. They have so many opportunities to reflect on so many more aspects of the game, and they're missing them all.

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I think what they're proposing has potential, but I don't think it's really viable to the desired end result. They want to balance it, the first thing they need to do is get rid of the honour system as it is... turn it COMPLETELY team based or get rid of it. Also, they are asking for trouble with the world gankers. Does that mean that even on a Normal or RP/PvE server, these areas are going to flag PvP? That's not cool if it is. I think the idea they have has them on a line and it can sway either way. I would really like to see it work, but given their history, I am truly skeptical.
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Yah, its good to know they know some of the problems and they are going to fix it... sometime.. but your right, they would have to whipe the current system. The problem with that is that the people who are based in that set of armor/weapons would have to lose what they have.. causeing an uproar. SO if they find a way how to do that.. then its the first step to a better WOW.

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Thats one thing I liked what he said, that it would be changed to be aimed at the normaly gamer, not one of the crazy onese.

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I think they might allready have had this in mind a long time ago, for the home arenas. If you have a horde character theres an arena in ogramar that you cant go in, this might be a future home arena.

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heh, no kidding, it might take longer to get into bg, but with cross server bg it might not.
This would just make it a little bit more fair.

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I would like to see some Guild upgrades (mail, house, in-game voting, raid tracker, etc).

huh, I hadnt thought about that, buyt that really is a great Idea(mailbox). and maybe along with that a bank or something. I know in the one good guild I was in we ended up having the guuild leader make another account just for that reason, mail and bank. We split the cost for that account so it wasnt that extra cost just for him.

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*sigh* He's talking about encouraging spontaneous PvP. But we already have that... ganking.
haha... maybe he has fair spontaneous pvp.. not 4vs 1. But yah, the world pvp could just mean a Whole lot more gankiong but we can hope that they figure out a system to keep that from getting worse.

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Take the 0.5 tier gear questline for instance. Hell.. it's easier to just get a regular raid group together for MC and get your tier2.

heh for myself I havent had any special tier armor, I dont think Iv even gotten more than 2-4 blues on an account. But I guess thats because I dont play that often and I keep on having to switch accounts(Im an account leech)

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Yes, gear is very nice... but it isn't the ALL of the game.

So few people truly understand this, and another thing, have you runinto some one with the same gear and character setup?.. it happens all the time, Now if they added something that you could change what colors things where or something then it wouldnt look so bad, but that doesnt solve the problem of wow playing for the grear freaks.

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I think what they're proposing has potential,
True, but then the next question is how long and how many mistakes will it take to get there?

Another thing I really wish to see in wow is something like ff11(I think), where the players had some control of what happend, either by buying a shop, or being able to influeance the city in some way. I know that it would be really hard to make this and not be broken, but it would be fun, I think so at least.(there would have to be heavy limites and really well thought thru.)

-saber
gr3gg3r
I just have to say that this game is sooooo addicting. I mean don't get me wrong, I love this game. It's so deep and there are so many things you can do, but I play it quite a lot.

I make sure it doesn't get in the way of my real life. That's the key. I'm debating on whether I should pay for my own account or not, because right now my friend is letting me play on his. =)

But either way its an awesome game, I must admit.
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I make sure it doesn't get in the way of my real life. That's the key. I'm debating on whether I should pay for my own account or not, because right now my friend is letting me play on his. =)


Hehe, Yah, I'v done my fair share of leaching, as thanks I buy them a game card or soemthing every now and then.

Altho sometimes I do wish I had my own account, so not having to wait to play or something of the like.
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Interesting. He pretty much admitted that the PvP system isn't very well balanced. Also, he mentions that they want to promote more PvE as well, requiring good gear to be gained from both, but he doesn't touch on the fact that the current honour system is the reason it's pretty much screwed at this point.

Yah, its good to know they know some of the problems and they are going to fix it... sometime.. but your right, they would have to whipe the current system. The problem with that is that the people who are based in that set of armor/weapons would have to lose what they have.. causeing an uproar. SO if they find a way how to do that.. then its the first step to a better WOW.


They could feasibly let the gear remain to those who have it, but wipe the system... but then there's still the issue of those who have saved up honor points and are nearing ready to make a purchase who will lose all those points. I am sure there would be some kind of conversion method for them, but they would be pissed, I'm sure, when they realize, "WHAT? You mean I actually have to play World of Warcraft and not just Unreal Tournament medieval style?!" That's really all the BGs are. They are a rip-off of UT.

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the people who PvP never leave because they don't want to lose their rank. That's what they really need to work on to improve the PvP/PvE balance.
Thats one thing I liked what he said, that it would be changed to be aimed at the normaly gamer, not one of the crazy onese.

Yeah... but they're still going to maintain the honor maintenance bit where you have to maintain that honor.

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do like the arena concept they're coming up with. That will help with PvP practice for same-faction training... plus, it will help with RP for "opposing guilds". Right now, the only arena is Gorubashi which pretty much means you get ganked if you try to go. Hopefully, they'll make the arenas in 'home territory' so people can 'train' from each other.


I think they might allready have had this in mind a long time ago, for the home arenas. If you have a horde character theres an arena in ogramar that you cant go in, this might be a future home arena.


Where's that Orgimaar arena at? I don't remember seeing it.

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looking at each team's gear before assigning a BG, that would be useful.

heh, no kidding, it might take longer to get into bg, but with cross server bg it might not.
This would just make it a little bit more fair.


I don't think it can take much longer than the current wait times. You know that I sat in BG qeue for 10½ hours one day? I logged on and decided I was going to spen the whole day gaming. First thing I did was enter BG qeue. I logged off 10½ hours later... without BG.

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I would like to see some Guild upgrades (mail, house, in-game voting, raid tracker, etc).

huh, I hadnt thought about that, buyt that really is a great Idea(mailbox). and maybe along with that a bank or something. I know in the one good guild I was in we ended up having the guuild leader make another account just for that reason, mail and bank. We split the cost for that account so it wasnt that extra cost just for him.


Yeah. I had to create a second character for the bank. You don't have to create another accout... just another character. But it's still a pain. They definitely need a guild bank. That's one thing I really miss about SWG... their guild set up was really well done. They need to implement a guild bank in WoW where the GL can set the access ranks and all that.

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*sigh* He's talking about encouraging spontaneous PvP. But we already have that... ganking.
haha... maybe he has fair spontaneous pvp.. not 4vs 1. But yah, the world pvp could just mean a Whole lot more gankiong but we can hope that they figure out a system to keep that from getting worse.


The thing is with the world PvP they are considering, ganking won't necessarily be intentional, just worse. Unless they give some kind of beacon saying, "HEY! LOOK AT ME!! I HAVE THE RESOURCE NODE!"

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Take the 0.5 tier gear questline for instance. Hell.. it's easier to just get a regular raid group together for MC and get your tier2.

heh for myself I havent had any special tier armor, I dont think Iv even gotten more than 2-4 blues on an account. But I guess thats because I dont play that often and I keep on having to switch accounts(Im an account leech)


LOL... Right on. I have 3 60s and just got my first purples with this last character... and I had to make it. heh.. since then, I've acquired quest line purples, but no drop like prophecy or the like. *shrug* Not too worried. I'll get them. They're not my focus, but they are nice to have. I just really get sick of the people who feel they need to brag to me about their gear, no matter how many times I tell them I don't care. I mean... I don't care if *I* get purples... why do you think I would care if you do? But... that's my jerk side coming out. hehe... of course I am happy when our guild members get them though. LOL

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Yes, gear is very nice... but it isn't the ALL of the game.

So few people truly understand this, and another thing, have you runinto some one with the same gear and character setup?.. it happens all the time, Now if they added something that you could change what colors things where or something then it wouldnt look so bad, but that doesnt solve the problem of wow playing for the grear freaks.


Yeah. I really wish you could aesthetically alter your character a bit. That's something I don't understand either. I want something a little different. I am a tailor.. why can't I even do something like dye my cloth armour? Wouldn't be that hard. Here's some dye. Here's my armour. Armour + dye = new colour... done.
Make something like that a really hard tailor quest line. And maybe Leatherworkers could have an "embossing" quest line where they can alter leather armor by embossing it. And then blacksmiths could engrave or design or something. I would love to be able to alter my gear. hehe

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I think what they're proposing has potential,
True, but then the next question is how long and how many mistakes will it take to get there?


I don't have that many fingers on which to count. If I had my way, it would just go back to how it was prior to the battlegrounds. People playing in a world. The PvPers will still PvP, the gankers will still gank, but there will be more people to actually be able to group with and get things done with, not staying in one spot everytime they log on, trying to get some ridiculous rank that really doesn't help your guild out at all.

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Another thing I really wish to see in wow is something like ff11(I think), where the players had some control of what happend, either by buying a shop, or being able to influeance the city in some way. I know that it would be really hard to make this and not be broken, but it would be fun, I think so at least.(there would have to be heavy limites and really well thought thru.)


I know I keep using the SWG reference, but they had a LOT of really good things. IN SWG, you could form your guild and build your own city/town/etc. (as we've discussed). Now... take that into account... if Blizzard doesn't want to go THAT far, then it would be nice to allow Guild Leaders to purchase or build ONE building to be used and/or placed in the world to be the guildhouse. But that was one of the great things about SWG... the area of land you were running through one day, the next day, there may be a house or a town there. I thought that was fabulous.
DivineConclave
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I just have to say that this game is sooooo addicting. I mean don't get me wrong, I love this game. It's so deep and there are so many things you can do, but I play it quite a lot.

I make sure it doesn't get in the way of my real life. That's the key. I'm debating on whether I should pay for my own account or not, because right now my friend is letting me play on his. =)

But either way its an awesome game, I must admit.


hehe.. It is addicting. Everytime I say I am going to retire my character, I am right back on asking guildies if they need a hand with anything. But what's cool is that I have been playing since release and I am still discovering new things about the game.

You should seriously buy your own... roll on Maelstrom, alliance side, priest, paladin, or druid... and then look up Conclave of the Divine. Wink Or, actually... any class at this point. OUr defender guild is being formed this coming weekend. Very Happy
SLNapster
This is a great game! Im on CC with a lvl 60 Pally XD
Saryon
I have a 60 Warlock now, UD on Frostmane. When I first reached 60, it became quite boring soon. I wasn't in any guild or whatsoever, and had nothing to do than playing BG's which Horde loses 9 times out of 10.

But I recently applied for a PvE guild, and I'm in as a trial now. Im4 going to do MC this Thursday, to see if I can join the guild. I'm quite looking forward to it. If you're not in some kind of raiding guild at lvl 60, it ges rather boring indeed.
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They could feasibly let the gear remain to those who have it, but wipe the system... but then there's still the issue of those who have saved up honor points and are nearing ready to make a purchase who will lose all those points. I am sure there would be some kind of conversion method for them, but they would be pissed, I'm sure, when they realize, "WHAT? You mean I actually have to play World of Warcraft and not just Unreal Tournament medieval style?!" That's really all the BGs are. They are a rip-off of UT.

Hahah, yah they could leave what some people have, but then again some of the weapons are really good and they never would get rid of it.
As for the people close, they might setup a npc for getting some thing for not a honor level or soemthign of the sort, so they dont just go mad.

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Where's that Orgimaar arena at? I don't remember seeing it.

I would go a look right now, but the servers are down.. stupid tuesdays..
I think it was in the back area, where the WSG bg npcs are. When you walk into that area, theres a building on your right(I thinkI might have this the wrong way, it might be on the far left) thats some arena, you can go into the main part, and look down to the main area, but you only can move around in the 'viewing area'.

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You know that I sat in BG qeue for 10½ hours one day? I logged on and decided I was going to spen the whole day gaming. First thing I did was enter BG qeue. I logged off 10½ hours later... without BG.

Well I do agree thats a problem, but that might be fixed with cross server BG. just because only 5 people your level range want to bg at that time, you cant get in.(I bet this is a lot different higer levels tho) so you add those 5 people to 4 other people on a different server and there ya go, BG(I think thats how it works... maybe...)

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Yeah. I had to create a second character for the bank. You don't have to create another accout... just another character. But it's still a pain. They definitely need a guild bank.

Well part of the problem was that
A. just a character with bags didnt have enough space,
B. Wanted a mail box just for the guild, not the guild leaders mailbox(it would fill up too fast,
C. the 4 council members were given access to controll some of the bank/guild resources
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They need to implement a guild bank in WoW where the GL can set the access ranks and all that.
yes they do, I wonder why they havent done something like that. Maybe because there would be people that make a guild, kick people out, and then they have this huge extra storage?

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I have 3 60s and just got my first purples with this last character...
heh.. yah.. the only purples I have, are the ones in my item sync list... where I just wish I could use them.

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*shrug* Not too worried. I'll get them. They're not my focus, but they are nice to have.
yah, thats the good way to think about, get them when they come, and enjoy it, Dont spend Hours and hours whining or griping that you dont have them, or if you do, doing the Im better than you speach.

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Yeah. I really wish you could aesthetically alter your character a bit.
I understand that being able to change your character would make the game take longer to load for some people.
Just more models to load, but yah, dyeing, or anything would be nice, but like you said, it should be hard(er) to get.

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if Blizzard doesn't want to go THAT far, then it would be nice to allow Guild Leaders to purchase or build ONE building to be used and/or placed in the world to be the guildhouse. But that was one of the great things about SWG... the area of land you were running through one day, the next day, there may be a house or a town there. I thought that was fabulous.
I was thinking about this a bit this morning. The problem with wow is that you cant really make the guild areas anywhere, if they would make them in the world, then they would be EVERYWHERE, and could mess with game play, So the only left option would be either making an instance like area for guild halls, or keep on adding areas onto cities,
I dont see that many/any other real options, is there something Im missing?


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I'm quite looking forward to it. If you're not in some kind of raiding guild at lvl 60, it ges rather boring indeed.
I havent gotten to that point, but I think I know how it feels, when you cant level, and theres nothing else to do. I wonder if in the expantion level 70 will make enough difference for you guys to do something.

-saber
DivineConclave
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Hahah, yah they could leave what some people have, but then again some of the weapons are really good and they never would get rid of it.
As for the people close, they might setup a npc for getting some thing for not a honor level or soemthign of the sort, so they dont just go mad.


Or give them like one month notice to gain and turn in their honour which would, for that month, actually make things worse, but would give them a chance to 'catch up'.
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Where's that Orgimaar arena at? I don't remember seeing it.

I would go a look right now, but the servers are down.. stupid tuesdays..
I think it was in the back area, where the WSG bg npcs are. When you walk into that area, theres a building on your right(I thinkI might have this the wrong way, it might be on the far left) thats some arena, you can go into the main part, and look down to the main area, but you only can move around in the 'viewing area'.


Oh... I think I know where you're talking about. I don't know if that was an intended arena or not. If they were to do 'friendly area' arenas, they would probable just put them in one city or such which would be a bad idea.
1) Lag
2) EVERYONE would be at that one arena which would kinda defeat the purpose, really.

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You know that I sat in BG qeue for 10½ hours one day? I logged on and decided I was going to spen the whole day gaming. First thing I did was enter BG qeue. I logged off 10½ hours later... without BG.

Well I do agree thats a problem, but that might be fixed with cross server BG. just because only 5 people your level range want to bg at that time, you cant get in.(I bet this is a lot different higer levels tho) so you add those 5 people to 4 other people on a different server and there ya go, BG(I think thats how it works... maybe...)


Yeah. It's supposed to help alleviate the qeue time. I know they're supposed to help alleviate the issue of not being invited to a group when in the BGs too... something about when you enter, you are automatically in a raid group. There are some who are just too much of elitests and they won't invite anyone into the group, which, me as a priest, is really upsetting. I've had the 'abandon' debuff more than I've done BGs because I would get invited so I'd leave.

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Yeah. I had to create a second character for the bank. You don't have to create another accout... just another character. But it's still a pain. They definitely need a guild bank.

Well part of the problem was that
A. just a character with bags didnt have enough space,
B. Wanted a mail box just for the guild, not the guild leaders mailbox(it would fill up too fast,
C. the 4 council members were given access to controll some of the bank/guild resources
D. Yah...


None of that is a problem when creating a banker via a new character rather than a new account:
A) You still have as much space as you would with a new account.. you still get a complete bank space
B) That character has their own mailbox, so it wouldn't fill up any faster than with a new account
C) THis one would be better with a new account, but then you have to worry about someone changing the password on you and thereby taking all of the inventory.
D) Yah... heheh

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They need to implement a guild bank in WoW where the GL can set the access ranks and all that.
yes they do, I wonder why they havent done something like that. Maybe because there would be people that make a guild, kick people out, and then they have this huge extra storage?


That's possible with the way it is now anyway. In fact, it's more possible because if it's on one person's account, it's easier for that person to just log in, send everything to his or her main, and delete the banker toon. With the guild bank, it would sit on the server completely and officers would have access to the bank as well.

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I have 3 60s and just got my first purples with this last character...
heh.. yah.. the only purples I have, are the ones in my item sync list... where I just wish I could use them.


In my opinion, most of the blues are more useful than purples anyway. I actually compare stats rather than colour of the title. I am a little upset at the stats of the True Faith vestments. They are intended for priests... but what's their only stat boost?... stamina.

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*shrug* Not too worried. I'll get them. They're not my focus, but they are nice to have.
yah, thats the good way to think about, get them when they come, and enjoy it, Dont spend Hours and hours whining or griping that you dont have them, or if you do, doing the Im better than you speach.


omg, yes. We had someone in our guild way back who was a really cool guy. Then he started getting purples and all of a sudden, started telling me how I should play my character and after he left the guild. kept linking me all his purples he was getting and I was like, "I... really... don't care." As soon as he started getting purps, he became really arrogant and just a jerk, so I guess it's good that he left the guild... but that crap's annoying. Rather than tell me how to play my character and showing me your wonderful new wardrobe, how about saying, "Hey. I can help you get some if you want... we're having a run into XXX instance. Wanna come?" But, I guess my brain just works differently than most.

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Yeah. I really wish you could aesthetically alter your character a bit.
I understand that being able to change your character would make the game take longer to load for some people.
Just more models to load, but yah, dyeing, or anything would be nice, but like you said, it should be hard(er) to get.


I don't think it would make the game any longer to load. Those modles are typically aren't full models (if I understand it correctly). They're just single images and they wouldn't need to load on startup or they could sit in your client.

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if Blizzard doesn't want to go THAT far, then it would be nice to allow Guild Leaders to purchase or build ONE building to be used and/or placed in the world to be the guildhouse. But that was one of the great things about SWG... the area of land you were running through one day, the next day, there may be a house or a town there. I thought that was fabulous.
I was thinking about this a bit this morning. The problem with wow is that you cant really make the guild areas anywhere, if they would make them in the world, then they would be EVERYWHERE, and could mess with game play, So the only left option would be either making an instance like area for guild halls, or keep on adding areas onto cities,
I dont see that many/any other real options, is there something Im missing?
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FOr the most part, you're right... because of the mobs and what have you are all over. However, it would be possible to assign areas or even toss a couple new zones in there for housing purposes. The instance idea would probably be more feasible. I just think it's going to take a lot of the fun out of housing... but I will take what I can get in that respect. It would still be very useful to have.

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I'm quite looking forward to it. If you're not in some kind of raiding guild at lvl 60, it ges rather boring indeed.
I havent gotten to that point, but I think I know how it feels, when you cant level, and theres nothing else to do. I wonder if in the expantion level 70 will make enough difference for you guys to do something.


I dunno. I still have fun at 60, personally. I RP a lot and I can find groups to go with because I am a priest. But when i want to just go do some trash quests, I can't because all my trash quests are elite or dungeon quests. Sad
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I have a 60 Warlock now, UD on Frostmane. When I first reached 60, it became quite boring soon. I wasn't in any guild or whatsoever, and had nothing to do than playing BG's which Horde loses 9 times out of 10.

But I recently applied for a PvE guild, and I'm in as a trial now. Im4 going to do MC this Thursday, to see if I can join the guild. I'm quite looking forward to it. If you're not in some kind of raiding guild at lvl 60, it ges rather boring indeed.


You should transfer to Maelstrom and come to our defender guild. hehe... Actually, it's still in the works of creation, but it should be fun. Because of the way our guild is set up, there are a lot of opportunities to do some interesting fun things. Being all healers, once we get our numbers back, I am going to organize an all-healers Onyxia run. Druids, Paladins, and Priests. Should actually work but it will be difficult.
xkobram
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Oh... I think I know where you're talking about. I don't know if that was an intended arena or not. If they were to do 'friendly area' arenas, they would probable just put them in one city or such which would be a bad idea.
1) Lag
2) EVERYONE would be at that one arena which would kinda defeat the purpose, really.

heh, well maybe that would be a warp or something to intstance like place, or somthing, I cant really think of any good open areas that they would be able to put more in, I mean the one is STV takes a large ammount of space, so I bet they would be limited to where, unless they do decide on making it an instance.

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Yeah. It's supposed to help alleviate the qeue time. I know they're supposed to help alleviate the issue of not being invited to a group when in the BGs too... something about when you enter, you are automatically in a raid group. There are some who are just too much of elitests and they won't invite anyone into the group, which, me as a priest, is really upsetting. I've had the 'abandon' debuff more than I've done BGs because I would get invited so I'd leave.


I also have noticed this problem, they really either need to force a raid or come up with another group system just for this kind of thing. I also Have been the loaner(s) when people are in a party and refuse to invite more people. In most bg you have to work as a team and for some classes theres no point in trying to run by yourself.


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C) THis one would be better with a new account, but then you have to worry about someone changing the password on you and thereby taking all of the inventory.
D) Yah... heheh

well the other problem is that he allready had his 8 characters and didnt want to delete any of them.
So with the second account he had the 8 characters for differnet prof items and such. As for the chance of someone changing the password? well the 4 council members where his kids(hes retired)

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That's possible with the way it is now anyway. In fact, it's more possible because if it's on one person's account, it's easier for that person to just log in, send everything to his or her main, and delete the banker toon. With the guild bank, it would sit on the server completely and officers would have access to the bank as well.
what I ment, is someone starts a guild, gets ten people to sign, and then its a 'real' guild. They kick the others, and then get the 'guild storage' to them selves. or am I not making sense still -_-?

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I actually compare stats rather than colour of the title.

hahs yah... I dont know how many times I have seen a blue be better than a purple and people switch it because its a purple.

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omg, yes. We had someone in our guild way back who was a really cool guy. Then he started getting purples and all of a sudden, started telling me how I should play my character and after he left the guild. kept linking me all his purples he wa...
My main guild that I wish was still around fell apart due to that, at least I think so. This is the cause of my disliking of the game. Most of the other stuff I can deal with, but its no fun if your not playing with people.

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I just think it's going to take a lot of the fun out of housing...
I was talking about that more with another friend that played SWG and he also said the same thing.
I guess I didnt think about if you have to go to another area just to see halls/houses then its pointless, you would only ever go to yours. sure the first time if it came out tons of people would go look but not at your hall.

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I am going to organize an all-healers Onyxia run.
haha, now thats something I would like to see,
Good luck with that,


-saber
eqfan
yea,a great game .i play it every day
DivineConclave
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If i have that money i would never spend them on playing on oficials, i would buy some hardware


What good is hardware if you don't use it? That's like buying a private plane to sit in the hangar.
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Oh... I think I know where you're talking about. I don't know if that was an intended arena or not. If they were to do 'friendly area' arenas, they would probable just put them in one city or such which would be a bad idea.
1) Lag
2) EVERYONE would be at that one arena which would kinda defeat the purpose, really.

heh, well maybe that would be a warp or something to intstance like place, or somthing, I cant really think of any good open areas that they would be able to put more in, I mean the one is STV takes a large ammount of space, so I bet they would be limited to where, unless they do decide on making it an instance.


Yeah. they'd almost have to make it an instance. but then that would be counter-productive to their desire for more worldly action.

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Yeah. It's supposed to help alleviate the qeue time. I know they're supposed to help alleviate the issue of not being invited to a group when in the BGs too... something about when you enter, you are automatically in a raid group. There are some who are just too much of elitests and they won't invite anyone into the group, which, me as a priest, is really upsetting. I've had the 'abandon' debuff more than I've done BGs because I would get invited so I'd leave.


I also have noticed this problem, they really either need to force a raid or come up with another group system just for this kind of thing. I also Have been the loaner(s) when people are in a party and refuse to invite more people. In most bg you have to work as a team and for some classes theres no point in trying to run by yourself.


Exactly. As a priest, I'm not gonna try to solo a BG... a HOLY priest at that. And when I'm not invited and then get screamed at for not healing, it's more aggravating than it's worth.

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C) THis one would be better with a new account, but then you have to worry about someone changing the password on you and thereby taking all of the inventory.
D) Yah... heheh

well the other problem is that he allready had his 8 characters and didnt want to delete any of them.
So with the second account he had the 8 characters for differnet prof items and such. As for the chance of someone changing the password? well the 4 council members where his kids(hes retired)


Right on. I guess it makes sense in that situation. It's rare to have your officers as your kids though. hehe
Either way, they need to do something server side.

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That's possible with the way it is now anyway. In fact, it's more possible because if it's on one person's account, it's easier for that person to just log in, send everything to his or her main, and delete the banker toon. With the guild bank, it would sit on the server completely and officers would have access to the bank as well.
what I ment, is someone starts a guild, gets ten people to sign, and then its a 'real' guild. They kick the others, and then get the 'guild storage' to them selves. or am I not making sense still -_-?


You're making sense, but that wouldn't really be beneficial to them. It would cost money to get the guild house, money to get the charter, time to get the signatures, and all for nothing, really. It's quicker and cheaper to just make a banker toon for yourself.

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I actually compare stats rather than colour of the title.

hahs yah... I dont know how many times I have seen a blue be better than a purple and people switch it because its a purple.


Yeah. It's like they're paying for status. There's a guild on our server, whose name I won't mention, who is ALL decked out in purples. Completely. Everyone. Purples. nothing but. The funny thing is that I have run with a few of their members on quite a few occasions and they suck. They've wiped parties more than I know, the warlock refuses to SS the priest, the mage won't decurse or give water, the warrior just keeps charging and charging regardless of others' mana, and then they all blame the priest when the party dies.

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omg, yes. We had someone in our guild way back who was a really cool guy. Then he started getting purples and all of a sudden, started telling me how I should play my character and after he left the guild. kept linking me all his purples he wa...
My main guild that I wish was still around fell apart due to that, at least I think so. This is the cause of my disliking of the game. Most of the other stuff I can deal with, but its no fun if your not playing with people.


Yeah. It is defnitely a community game. You can only solo so far, which is cool. That's how they wanted it... but then you have the issues of the egos and attitudes of children.

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I just think it's going to take a lot of the fun out of housing...
I was talking about that more with another friend that played SWG and he also said the same thing.
I guess I didnt think about if you have to go to another area just to see halls/houses then its pointless, you would only ever go to yours. sure the first time if it came out tons of people would go look but not at your hall.


Yeah. It would be useful for meetings and such because there would be no RP griefing interruption. But on that same hand, it would also mean that no one would stumble upon your meeting and go "Whoa". I have invited a few members to our guild because they just stumbled upon our meeting in the cathedral and saw us all in our formal robes. That effect would be lost. And that's providing that you could even go to another's house if it were instanced.

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I am going to organize an all-healers Onyxia run.
haha, now thats something I would like to see,
Good luck with that,


Thanks. Part of the reason I want to do it is curiosity. Another part, I fully admit, is spite. When I formed the Clergy (Now the Conclave), so many mocked and made fun of it, ut it worked for a long time. And I also got a lot of "How are you going to do endgame? lawlz!" Well... we may not be able to do MC or BWL, but I think we can do some onyx... maybe even some AQ20 (definitely not 40). Hopefully, that will shut them up. LOL
Saber
going make comments on your post soon, but 1.12 out now... so cross server bg.. lets see how well that works shal we?
Saber
Well sad to say, most of the patch was later game stuff, so I dont know anything about that.

As for the world pvp and cross relm BG, I dont think its working very well.

I was able to play some last night and cross relm bg was rather buggy, and caused a lot of lag.

I didnt hear anyone about the world pvp so Im wondering if either people just didnt care, or that they were to busy playing that to come back to other areas and talk about it.

Anyone higher leveled, what do you think of the changes?




Ps. I made a priest on mealstorm(or what ever the name of the server is)
message me(Sorme) sometime if you want.
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Well sad to say, most of the patch was later game stuff, so I dont know anything about that.

As for the world pvp and cross relm BG, I dont think its working very well.


I didn't try the BGs, but it was buggy. I guess people were trapped in the BG and the response from Blizzard was a global message saying to /afk out.

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I was able to play some last night and cross relm bg was rather buggy, and caused a lot of lag.

I didnt hear anyone about the world pvp so Im wondering if either people just didnt care, or that they were to busy playing that to come back to other areas and talk about it.


It was alright. I played with it for a little bit, but it was kinda boring. Most of it was just sitting around waiting because the horde didn't have exploits to use, so we kept pushing them back so most of them just left.
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Anyone higher leveled, what do you think of the changes?


Well, it caused a lot of bugs, the server was laggier than crap, and other things were broken. UBRS is broken now. The gate after Rend doesn't open, which is about half way through UBRS so it was a complete waste of time to even go.

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Ps. I made a priest on mealstorm(or what ever the name of the server is)
message me(Sorme) sometime if you want.


Awesome. Smile Will do!

Faeroth might be a little... distraught when he meets ya though. he just learned that his wife was turned ( the player playing Faeroth's wife rerolled horde) so if he seems a little... weird... yeah. heh
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Faeroth might be a little... distraught when he meets ya though. he just learned that his wife was turned ( the player playing Faeroth's wife rerolled horde) so if he seems a little... weird... yeah. heh

Sorry to hear that. Sorme should be on most nights, but that depends on how much I work.

(Oh also, how in depth do you/others take the rp stuff?)


As for the cross server BG... I know its not going to be anytime soon that I get level 60, but If I do, If I ever see this guy... Im running, *I know hes gear based(he doesnt seem to be OBSESSED with it, hes just based his characters off it.But he is a good player, and he knows the tricks. I still had fun watching*

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5278800744934151477
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Faeroth might be a little... distraught when he meets ya though. he just learned that his wife was turned ( the player playing Faeroth's wife rerolled horde) so if he seems a little... weird... yeah. heh

Sorry to hear that. Sorme should be on most nights, but that depends on how much I work.



Understandable. What times do you usually play?

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(Oh also, how in depth do you/others take the rp stuff?)


Some more than others. I RP quite a bit and there are a few in the guild who are full-time RPers. Others don't RP except where it's mandatory (/say and /yell). There is an RP ceremony to get someone into the guild and there are RPed meetings every Sunday at 8pm server. We haven't had many RP events yet because I've been busy trying to get everything organized and because I really don't want the cheesy "Picnic" event or similar. I'd like something a little more fun and in-depth where people can actually DO something. So I am working on figuring some things out for that.

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As for the cross server BG... I know its not going to be anytime soon that I get level 60, but If I do, If I ever see this guy... Im running, *I know hes gear based(he doesnt seem to be OBSESSED with it, hes just based his characters off it.But he is a good player, and he knows the tricks. I still had fun watching*

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5278800744934151477


I'll have to check it out a bit later. I don't have much time before I have to get ready for another job interview.
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Understandable. What times do you usually play?
um well I dont know what the sever time is, but Ill check that when I get home, I think its a hour of so off of my time.

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Some more than others. I RP quite a bit and there are a few in the guild who are full-time RPers. Others don't RP except where it's mandatory (/say and /yell). There is an RP ceremony to get someone into the guild and there are RPed meetings every Sunday at 8pm server. We haven't had many RP events yet because I've been busy trying to get everything organized and because I really don't want the cheesy "Picnic" event or similar. I'd like something a little more fun and in-depth where people can actually DO something. So I am working on figuring some things out for that.


Ah, well thats reasonable. Im new to the hole rping thing, and I just havent talked to people on the server.. mainly because thers no one in the new area.. but oh well.

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I'll have to check it out a bit later. I don't have much time before I have to get ready for another job interview.

Ok, its a long video, 20 minutes(I think) so it might be a good idea to que it up sooner than later(depending on your connection). And good luck with your job interview, and if you dont mind me asking, what are you trying to get(for the job)?
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Understandable. What times do you usually play?
um well I dont know what the sever time is, but Ill check that when I get home, I think its a hour of so off of my time.


Cool cool. I added you to friends too so I can find ya.
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Some more than others. I RP quite a bit and there are a few in the guild who are full-time RPers. Others don't RP except where it's mandatory (/say and /yell). There is an RP ceremony to get someone into the guild and there are RPed meetings every Sunday at 8pm server. We haven't had many RP events yet because I've been busy trying to get everything organized and because I really don't want the cheesy "Picnic" event or similar. I'd like something a little more fun and in-depth where people can actually DO something. So I am working on figuring some things out for that.

Ah, well thats reasonable. Im new to the hole rping thing, and I just havent talked to people on the server.. mainly because thers no one in the new area.. but oh well.


Well, we have a few people who are new to the RP thing in the guild. I'm pretty patient with that as long as people understand the RP rules as set by not only the guild, but by Blizzard regarding an RP server. Basically, RP is nothing more than acting. it's a little more difficult in that you don't have the mannerisms and such so visibly available, but it's really quite the same thing. Make a character, figure out that character's personality and story, create a back story that explains why that character is how s/he is, what made him/her get to the current point, and then let the story progress rather than forcing it in a particular direction. For instance, Faeroth's story is NO WHERE NEAR where I expected or even wanted it to go, but it's more fun because it is so unexpected and there are opportunities available I never expected.

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I'll have to check it out a bit later. I don't have much time before I have to get ready for another job interview.

Ok, its a long video, 20 minutes(I think) so it might be a good idea to que it up sooner than later(depending on your connection). And good luck with your job interview, and if you dont mind me asking, what are you trying to get(for the job)?


Yeah. I watched most of the video. PvP videos kinda bore me, but that one wasn't too bad. I laughed at the tutorial toward the end. I thought that was a pretty cool thing to toss in there. Especially the flag run with the boots, swift pot, skull, etc.

Well, right now, I am trying to get a job doing ANYTHING! My degrees are in theatre performance and theatre lighting design so that would be preferable, but I am at a point where I can't exactly be picky. One of the problems I am having is that EVERY PLACE does background checks now. Included in those background checks are credit checks which is really screwing me over. I COMPLETELY disagree with the concept of doing credit checks when someone is trying to get a job. I don't think that should have ANYTHING to do with it unless that person is applying at a bank or some other high-value company... if that makes sense. But, I wasn't able to go to the interview. I had to reschedule because I am waiting for the police to get here. Someone broke into my car a SECOND time in 3 days. The first time, they stole my amp. This time, they took my subwoofer. Once the cops get here and I show them everything (which I doubt because I had to DEMAND they send someone out here), I have to go out there and strip my car. There's still a HAM radio, a CB, and a nice Pioneer stereo in there... and my Pioneer 6X9s and mids. God, I hate people.
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Make a character, figure out that character's personality and story, create a back story that explains why that character is how s/he is, what made him/her get to the current point, and then let the story progress rather than forcing it in a particular direction. For instance, Faeroth's story is NO WHERE NEAR where I expected or even wanted it to go, but it's more fun because it is so unexpected and there are opportunities available I never expected.


hmm... that may take a while to do for me, but I dont know, never done that before. But looking forward to it.

Also as you know, I got to play a while yesterday, not as long as I wanted to but that happens.

Im allmost level ten, heh, anyways, its been a LONG time from when I last played a priest. And a lot of changes, or Im just not remembering things right.. for stats I think its maily int for mana and spr for mana regen, should I be trying for something eles? and then for talents.. I saw that some people are shadow and some arnt but I duno, I was thinking about going healer, any tips on that?

-saber

((oh and hope that car/theft/stuff gets all taken care of))
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Make a character, figure out that character's personality and story, create a back story that explains why that character is how s/he is, what made him/her get to the current point, and then let the story progress rather than forcing it in a particular direction. For instance, Faeroth's story is NO WHERE NEAR where I expected or even wanted it to go, but it's more fun because it is so unexpected and there are opportunities available I never expected.


hmm... that may take a while to do for me, but I dont know, never done that before. But looking forward to it.



Cool. And if you need a hand, let me know... or better yet... once you're in the guild, you can make a post on our forums (or you could do it now at one of the guest accessible threads) and get input from more than just me.

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Also as you know, I got to play a while yesterday, not as long as I wanted to but that happens.


hehe... no worries. Faeroth is back in the city so he should be accessible.. sorta.

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Im allmost level ten, heh, anyways, its been a LONG time from when I last played a priest. And a lot of changes, or Im just not remembering things right..


There have been a lot of changes with the revamp of the holy spells.

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for stats I think its maily int for mana and spr for mana regen, should I be trying for something eles?


There are many who would disagree with me on this, but I use spirit and then intellect and it works wonders because if I run out of mana, it regens fast enough with a couple wand tosses that it really doen's negatively affect the healing. A lot of shadow priests spec like a warlock with stamina and intellect, but with reversed priority. Many holy priests would say that intellect is more important than spirit, but I have outhealed most of them because once they're out of mana, they're screwed. When I am out, I just wand a few times and my mana is plenty to finish the fight.

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and then for talents.. I saw that some people are shadow and some arnt but I duno, I was thinking about going healer, any tips on that?


If you are going healer, I would recommend Holy or Discipline. Holy gives you all the bonuses to healing spells, but discipline gives some great buffs. Faeroth has enough in discipline for improved fortitude (a must, in my opinion), and 2 ranks into improved shield. Then he went holy all the way to the end (do NOT get the Lightwell. It is absolutely retarded.). Then he has five ranks in Spirit Tap in shadow tree for when he is soloing. Really helps him keep going. And when he's in a group, it really helps out there a lot.

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((oh and hope that car/theft/stuff gets all taken care of))


Thanks. I don't think I will ever see the stuff again, but I got the cops to do their job at least, so I am ok with it as long as nothing else gets stolen.
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Cool. And if you need a hand, let me know... or better yet... once you're in the guild, you can make a post on our forums (or you could do it now at one of the guest accessible threads) and get input from more than just me.

yah, on my breaks at work today, Im going to read the site and maybe post something in the guest forums.

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Many holy priests would say that intellect is more important than spirit, but I have outhealed most of them because once they're out of mana, they're screwed. When I am out, I just wand a few times and my mana is plenty to finish the fight.
I'v read that a lot, true int gives more mana total, is that it? Because even if you have 5%(or what ever) more mana, but you cant regen it, then its point less if you run out.(like you said).

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Faeroth has enough in discipline for improved fortitude (a must, in my opinion), and 2 ranks into improved shield. Then he went holy all the way to the end (do NOT get the Lightwell. It is absolutely retarded.). Then he has five ranks in Spirit Tap in shadow tree for when he is soloing. Really helps him keep going. And when he's in a group, it really helps out there a lot.
Hmm, that does seem like a good idea, I had been messing with the talent tress on the wow site, I do wish that some of those buffs were easyer to get.. but then that would be broken.

-saber
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Cool. And if you need a hand, let me know... or better yet... once you're in the guild, you can make a post on our forums (or you could do it now at one of the guest accessible threads) and get input from more than just me.

yah, on my breaks at work today, Im going to read the site and maybe post something in the guest forums.


Very cool. I will keep an eye out for you then, to validate you. I have it set up kinda strict because we have some OOCers who want to cause problems.

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Many holy priests would say that intellect is more important than spirit, but I have outhealed most of them because once they're out of mana, they're screwed. When I am out, I just wand a few times and my mana is plenty to finish the fight.
I'v read that a lot, true int gives more mana total, is that it? Because even if you have 5%(or what ever) more mana, but you cant regen it, then its point less if you run out.(like you said).


Yeah. Intellect gives you a larger mana pool. Spirit increases regen of your mana and health. The only problem with spirit is that if you're casting, it isn't regenning. Hence the break with the wand to pump up some mana to get back into the heals. Typically, when I run out, the druid or pally only has time to cast one or two quick heals before I am ready to go again.

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Faeroth has enough in discipline for improved fortitude (a must, in my opinion), and 2 ranks into improved shield. Then he went holy all the way to the end (do NOT get the Lightwell. It is absolutely retarded.). Then he has five ranks in Spirit Tap in shadow tree for when he is soloing. Really helps him keep going. And when he's in a group, it really helps out there a lot.
Hmm, that does seem like a good idea, I had been messing with the talent tress on the wow site, I do wish that some of those buffs were easyer to get.. but then that would be broken.


I think they're set up ok, for the most part. I am only a little bummed that Holy Priests really got screwed. As i think I mentioned before, if you roll a Holy Priest, expect to be a healer. That's what you rolled. But instead of boosting the heals for Holy Priest, they boosted their DPS a bit. *blinK*. We should have more and more useful healing spells or better buffs to our heals in our talent tree, or even a good mana cost reduction talent for all healing spells cast. SOMETHING that reflects what the class is SUPPOSED to be for.
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Very cool. I will keep an eye out for you then, to validate you. I have it set up kinda strict because we have some OOCers who want to cause problems.

cool, well I posted the first little bit of whats in my mind, more to come later today.

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Yeah. Intellect gives you a larger mana pool. Spirit increases regen of your mana and health. The only problem with spirit is that if you're casting, it isn't regenning. Hence the break with the wand to pump up some mana to get back into the heals. Typically, when I run out, the druid or pally only has time to cast one or two quick heals before I am ready to go again.


So you would sugest using a wand over just having a held in off hand item?
I guess playing solo pve you would allways want a wand, but with a party?

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I think they're set up ok, for the most part. I am only a little bummed that Holy Priests really got screwed. As i think I mentioned before, if you roll a Holy Priest, expect to be a healer. That's what you rolled. But instead of boosting the heals for Holy Priest, they boosted their DPS a bit. *blinK*. We should have more and more useful healing spells or better buffs to our heals in our talent tree, or even a good mana cost reduction talent for all healing spells cast. SOMETHING that reflects what the class is SUPPOSED to be for.

yah well if they really understood that a priest should you know.. be a preist then they wouldnt have had that shadow stuff added in. My guess is that people were wanting to be able to solo with a priest and thought that it was too hard or something.
Oh well, its not like we can change it for now, hopefully something will change with the expantion.

-saber
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Very cool. I will keep an eye out for you then, to validate you. I have it set up kinda strict because we have some OOCers who want to cause problems.

cool, well I posted the first little bit of whats in my mind, more to come later today.


Yeah. I saw. Very cool. Smile If we don't catch up with each other by Sunday night at 8pm server time, come to the Cathedral of Light for one of our meetings. You'll definitely be able to catch up with me then.

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Yeah. Intellect gives you a larger mana pool. Spirit increases regen of your mana and health. The only problem with spirit is that if you're casting, it isn't regenning. Hence the break with the wand to pump up some mana to get back into the heals. Typically, when I run out, the druid or pally only has time to cast one or two quick heals before I am ready to go again.


So you would sugest using a wand over just having a held in off hand item?
I guess playing solo pve you would allways want a wand, but with a party?



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I think they're set up ok, for the most part. I am only a little bummed that Holy Priests really got screwed. As i think I mentioned before, if you roll a Holy Priest, expect to be a healer. That's what you rolled. But instead of boosting the heals for Holy Priest, they boosted their DPS a bit. *blinK*. We should have more and more useful healing spells or better buffs to our heals in our talent tree, or even a good mana cost reduction talent for all healing spells cast. SOMETHING that reflects what the class is SUPPOSED to be for.

yah well if they really understood that a priest should you know.. be a preist then they wouldnt have had that shadow stuff added in. My guess is that people were wanting to be able to solo with a priest and thought that it was too hard or something.
Oh well, its not like we can change it for now, hopefully something will change with the expantion.


Yeah. I don't mind shadow priests so much, really... other than the fact that they're basically warlocks without minions. I guess I can see having issues with soloing, but that's where they should have, rather than added DPS, boosted the priests' support abilities so that, though they might not drop the mob as quickly, they can outlive it.

Anyway... sorry this is so short but I am really tired all of a sudden so gonna go to bed. Have a good night/day/whatever it is when you read this.
Saryon
I seriously like the 1.12 cross realm battlegrounds, it helps me a lot in the battlegrounds.
Ever since I joined the Frostmane server (Aknar, lvl 60 UD Lock), I lost almost every bg. Like always, the allies have the majority and 50% of the times I played, they were premade. So we lost like every battle. I hadn't won any AB over 3 months.
It was getting depressing, and I didn't enjoy pvp at all anymore.
But now, with the cross realm bg, the bg's are always full. And yesterday, I've won 5 AB's in a row. It's a lot more fun now, at least in my server group.
xzoz92
well i have played on both private and the "real" servers n i cant say that theres anything wrong with running around in ironforge in middle of summer n grandfather winter is standing in a corner its great really but i do prefer the community on the real servers since u can get more hlep with quests ect. but on other hand i have 2 lvl 60s on my friends private and have power to spawn gear right into my bags so i cant really say i prefer one or the other both types of the game are just as addictive although i only play on my friends server when the new patch is coming or its the weekly downtime so he have given me gm powers n its fun spawning onyxia in middle of ironforge wait for her to kill the king smack her one time then type .kill and poof uwe got money. but i still like to run about with five guys doing instance after instance if any of u play on real servers im on kul tiras with char Xzozmage but most ppl just call me xzoz for short.

thats all for me the point of this long long text is - WoW is a great game either way u play it!
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I seriously like the 1.12 cross realm battlegrounds, it helps me a lot in the battlegrounds.
Ever since I joined the Frostmane server (Aknar, lvl 60 UD Lock), I lost almost every bg.


I am learning with each log on that I hate them. They are causing massive lag and DCing. I'm at the point where I am ready to tell the PvPers if you WANT to play Unreal Tournament, I can get you a cracked copy. Go play it. I'm just really getting fed up with Blizzard focusing on PvP and screwing up everyone else's game because of it.

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Like always, the allies have the majority and 50% of the times I played, they were premade.


I wouldn't say "like always" unless you mean that server alone. Alliance on Maelstrom don't win. hehe
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well i have played on both private and the "real" servers n i cant say that theres anything wrong with running around in ironforge in middle of summer n grandfather winter is standing in a corner its great really but i do prefer the community on the real servers since u can get more hlep with quests ect. but on other hand i have 2 lvl 60s on my friends private and have power to spawn gear right into my bags so i cant really say i prefer one or the other both types of the game are just as addictive although i only play on my friends server when the new patch is coming or its the weekly downtime so he have given me gm powers n its fun spawning onyxia in middle of ironforge wait for her to kill the king smack her one time then type .kill and poof uwe got money. but i still like to run about with five guys doing instance after instance if any of u play on real servers im on kul tiras with char Xzozmage but most ppl just call me xzoz for short.

thats all for me the point of this long long text is - WoW is a great game either way u play it!


I don't know how much fun I could have on a private. Never tried it. heh...
I typically don't have much fun when I have the power to do anything like that. Invincibility modes on games bother me. But if I were to say I never used them, I would be lying. LOL... Sometimes, it's fun when you're frustrated, to just go out and beat the crap out of everything you see.
DivineConclave
Completely OFF-topic for a moment. Does anyone know WHY my Frih points are going down? I am posting regularly and now they're starting to go down.
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for the off topic part, your points I think are reset to 40 every night and then -1 every day also. Thats so people cant build up a long time with them.

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I agree with that... 'private' severs defeat the reason for playing.

I also still have yet to really play the cross relm bg, I'm sorta hoping that when I do that they will be done patching it.

For now Im setting up mods, at least trying to.

-saber
redwulfe
I don't get it. I am not tring to bash WOW but I just don't understand. How could anyone play this game ever available second they have?

I have know people who where hospitalized because of malnutrition, people that have dropped out of school because they could not keep up, I have employees that call into work sick or request 4, yes 4, nights a week off because they have to raid with their guild on those nights. I don't get it. Why would you stop going out with your friends, not saying that every one does this, why would you stop living life to play in this world that is not real?

Please someone explain it to me. I just don't get it. I treid the game and I couldn't see it.

Thanks in advance,

wulfe
Icephoenix
Hey guys, anyone here about the funeral controversy that happened in WoW? Here's a quote tha pretty much sums it all up:

"Apparently, some dude dies in real life who is a popular World of Warcraft player. The people in the game think it would be nice to have a memorial for the player so they log into his account, take the character to a lake, and set it up for everyone to come pay their respects.

A bunch of dudes decide this would be a great time to ambush everyone so they run over a hill, kill the dead guy’s character, and then wipe out everyone who was there to show their respect. They filmed the whole thing and put it on the net for everyone to see."

Needless to say this even tore the WoW community in half! Here's the video of the event:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7667194685876573666
Saber
redwulfe wrote:
I don't get it. I am not tring to bash WOW but I just don't understand. How could anyone play this game ever available second they have?

I have know people who where hospitalized because of malnutrition, people that have dropped out of school because they could not keep up, I have employees that call into work sick or request 4, yes 4, nights a week off because they have to raid with their guild on those nights. I don't get it. Why would you stop going out with your friends, not saying that every one does this, why would you stop living life to play in this world that is not real?

Please someone explain it to me. I just don't get it. I treid the game and I couldn't see it.

Thanks in advance,

wulfe


Well all I have to say about that, is that its not the game, its the people. They will fall into any game, if its wow, or fanal fantasy, they still will fall.
These are the people that need to have someone else help them due to in their mind theres nothing else.

Its sad yes, but you need to keep in mind its not the game, its anything that they can find amusing. Some people just are unable to hold on to whats real and whats not. Or the fact of whats important.

I do find the game fun, but I for one, NEVER put it ahead of anything. If I have some free time and feel like playing WoW I might do so, but that wont stop me from doing anything else. If Im playing and someone asks me to do something or to pay attention, 99% of the time I will go do so, leaving the game running.(I do tell people that Im playing with that Im leaving and the 1% is when I allready told people that I would be doing something in game with them, only to not follow through on what I said if its important.) I don't care, its a game, I can leave. But to those people(at least some of them, its not just a game. I wish I knew how to solve this problem, as do many people, but if you just take away WOW they find something else to be obsesed about.

@Icephoenix
The Funeral attack was really uncalled for. Personaly I think that the people that did it have no respect for others. BUT I think they only did that because they could hide being the 'wonderful' world of the net. Because they as a person didn't have to be part of it, only 'their character' they felt more open to do things(sorta like the mob of people effect).

I think its sad about what happened, and yes people are very mad about it. But I also think that both sides took it too far. First, the people at the funeral should have thought through that there are bound to be people in the millions that play that would mess it up, even so they decided to do it.
I think it was a nice thing to do, but not the best.

As for those who took part of the attack... to me they just are asking for attention, and like I said above, they 'know' that as a person they dont have any linkage to what happend.

This is not just a problem here at this time, I notice it in my self and all over the place.
People are caring less and less about what happens/ed to others as long as it doesnt effect them in some way.

well I hope I didnt just mumble and miss type, I hope I got what I was thinking down.(early morning and cant think stright). If I said sometihng that doesnt make sense please bring it up.

-saber
Tasa
I have plaed WoW and it is a great game what I don't like how cartoony the game looks. It is hard to really get into the game for me, while I watched a cartoon. But the game mechanic is nice. It is fun and the community is good., but the graphics are just to cartoony for me.
DivineConclave
redwulfe wrote:
I don't get it. I am not tring to bash WOW but I just don't understand. How could anyone play this game ever available second they have?

I have know people who where hospitalized because of malnutrition, people that have dropped out of school because they could not keep up, I have employees that call into work sick or request 4, yes 4, nights a week off because they have to raid with their guild on those nights. I don't get it. Why would you stop going out with your friends, not saying that every one does this, why would you stop living life to play in this world that is not real?

Please someone explain it to me. I just don't get it. I treid the game and I couldn't see it.

Thanks in advance,

wulfe


Simple explanation. Those people need help. I play a lot because I have nothing else to do. I get up in the morning, grab my coffee, do mass amounts of job searches for at least a couple hours, work on my ligthing design, and then I log onto WoW for an over-extended period of time. Hell, *I* probably need help with the amount of time I put into it... but when I DID have a life, I didn't let it get in the way of it. I went to school... got a 3.9 GPA, went to work, had a girlfriend who I dedicated most of my time to and, the irony here is, I lost her to gaming. LOL... Go figure. People who get to the point you described need serious help. But you're right. They're out there. WoW, just like any other MMO , is an addiction. It has to be taken in moderation just like alcohol or any other addictive substance.

Also, keep in mind that there are a lot of housewives who play too. True story. hehe.. A couple are in my guild and I've met quite a few others. Met a 65 year old who played as well. So, they generally play a lot when the kids are sleeping or they have free time while their husbands are at work or what have you. It's actually kinda cool when you look at that aspect. it's a way for them to get away for a little while.
DivineConclave
Icephoenix wrote:
Hey guys, anyone here about the funeral controversy that happened in WoW? Here's a quote tha pretty much sums it all up:

"Apparently, some dude dies in real life who is a popular World of Warcraft player. The people in the game think it would be nice to have a memorial for the player so they log into his account, take the character to a lake, and set it up for everyone to come pay their respects.

A bunch of dudes decide this would be a great time to ambush everyone so they run over a hill, kill the dead guy’s character, and then wipe out everyone who was there to show their respect. They filmed the whole thing and put it on the net for everyone to see."

Needless to say this even tore the WoW community in half! Here's the video of the event:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7667194685876573666


Yes. I think those people who griefed them should be shot. That is exactly the attitude I despise about so many of the players. That was actually one of the servers I used to frequent. I would love to meet them in real life so I could beat the crap out of em. Personally, I think that what that person's friends did should have been respected. The guy really liked WoW and they were holding a memorial the only way they could and in a way that he would probably smile upon... and some @$$hats had to ruin it. AUGH! You have no idea how upset that makes me. Is it so hard to respect once in a while?


EDIT: I just watched the video again and it really sickens me. One of the arguements in the comments was that it was in contested territory so what do you expect? How about if you expect a little respect for someone who died? You want to PvP? Fine. That's all well and good. Wait until it's over. This was the only way these people could havea memorial and it was in honor of a REAL PERSON here people... not someone's character who died. My opinion on it? I think everyone who initiated that attack should be account banned for severe griefing which is against the EULA. But that's just my opinion.
DivineConclave
Tasa wrote:
I have plaed WoW and it is a great game what I don't like how cartoony the game looks. It is hard to really get into the game for me, while I watched a cartoon. But the game mechanic is nice. It is fun and the community is good., but the graphics are just to cartoony for me.


Actually, when you think about WHY it's "cartoony", the graphics are phenomenal. The reason why the graphics are as they are is because Blizzard didn't want a customer to have to have a high-end "zOMG my system pwns urs" computer. They wanted people with a more mid-grade system to be able to play too. With that in mind, the graphics are intense. Having a high-grade system, I can also agree with you that I would like to see more detailed and better shaded graphics. But if that were the case, we'd have a lot less people to pl-- hmmm... that might not be a bad idea afterall.
Saber
Quote:
But if that were the case, we'd have a lot less people to pl-- hmmm... that might not be a bad idea afterall.


heh, well that might be a good idea for some people. I was trying to get on a 'new' server a while back... even marked as 'new' they were transfer servers so thats not really new...

Anyways, the(some) expantion spells and talents are out. http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/talents-and-spells.html
what you think so far?

-saber
DivineConclave
Saber wrote:
Quote:
But if that were the case, we'd have a lot less people to pl-- hmmm... that might not be a bad idea afterall.


heh, well that might be a good idea for some people. I was trying to get on a 'new' server a while back... even marked as 'new' they were transfer servers so thats not really new...

Anyways, the(some) expantion spells and talents are out. http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/talents-and-spells.html
what you think so far?

-saber


I only looked at the rogue's before I had to go get a towel and clean up. "Mutilate" is... ouch. Nice. Cloak of Shadows is really cool, but I think they should down it to 80% for 10 seconds. A 4-second duration is... meh. Basically, that's really only enough time to resist one spell (taking into account cast time and throw time). Not really very useful, when you think about it. I am looking forward to seeing what they do with priests though. Hope that one opens up soon.

Anesthetic poison is very nice for a rogue. I like. The rogue 'spells' look pretty sweet. I may have to roll me another in the expansion. heh
Saber
Quote:
I only looked at the rogue's before I had to go get a towel and clean up. "Mutilate" is... ouch. Nice. Cloak of Shadows is really cool, but I think they should down it to 80% for 10 seconds. A 4-second duration is... meh. Basically, that's really only enough time to resist one spell (taking into account cast time and throw time). Not really very useful, when you think about it. I am looking forward to seeing what they do with priests though. Hope that one opens up soon.

Anesthetic poison is very nice for a rogue. I like. The rogue 'spells' look pretty sweet. I may have to roll me another in the expansion. heh


heh, yah. I was looking at some of the things, Im wondering what the 8 seconds that mages will have to be invisible will bring to the game.

Also looking forward to what priests get, and wondering how much of the expantion will be available for the 'normal' game.

ps. getting ready for college again really sucks... it takes away from all my gaming(aka wow) time. -_-

-saber
DivineConclave
Saber wrote:
Quote:
I only looked at the rogue's before I had to go get a towel and clean up. "Mutilate" is... ouch. Nice. Cloak of Shadows is really cool, but I think they should down it to 80% for 10 seconds. A 4-second duration is... meh. Basically, that's really only enough time to resist one spell (taking into account cast time and throw time). Not really very useful, when you think about it. I am looking forward to seeing what they do with priests though. Hope that one opens up soon.

Anesthetic poison is very nice for a rogue. I like. The rogue 'spells' look pretty sweet. I may have to roll me another in the expansion. heh


heh, yah. I was looking at some of the things, Im wondering what the 8 seconds that mages will have to be invisible will bring to the game.

Also looking forward to what priests get, and wondering how much of the expantion will be available for the 'normal' game.

ps. getting ready for college again really sucks... it takes away from all my gaming(aka wow) time. -_-

-saber


God I miss college. So close to finishing my third degree too. Sad Oh well...

Anyway... I don't know what they're giving priests, but they BETTER have something like the invis thing. Right now, we have NO way to get out of a fight. So many say, "Shield, Fear". that doesn't work when everyone and their brother has the little dispel fear trinket. Fade doesn't work in PvP. We really have no way to get out of being ganked... at all. So I hope they implement something like that.

Sooo.. Blizzard decided to drop the servers 5 hours early tonight! Thanks for the warning, blizzard! Well done! We weren't in the middle of a 45 minute baron run and actually ahead of schedule or anything. Really. We don't mind. *grumbles*
Blackangel
well, i've right now 5 60's only druid class is 48, and i think that even if the classes are different, doing the same quests over and over again gets boring finally. Yes i'm still adicted to wow Shocked but i think blizzard should go faster on that expansion thing to keep players. I know thera are some class specific quests but its not enough to hold interest. And PvP is fun but you cant just shoot/cast/hack/slice people for more than 2-3 hours without getting fed up. On the other hand the time needed to get and keep high pvp rank is insane. So give us quests Blizzard!! BTW if you just read the history and whatever books are lying around in the game.. its amazing the scenario these dudes put in game!
DopeyCriz
WoW is proven to be the worst online MMORPG.
Well. RuneScape is the worsest.

Many people have told me that it have got babyish graphics and
terrible interface.

I do not know anything about WoW as I yet to play it.

~DopeyCriz
Blackangel
DopeyCriz wrote:
WoW is proven to be the worst online MMORPG.
Well. RuneScape is the worsest.
~DopeyCriz


I think that more than 2.5 million players all over the world have different opinion Wink

DopeyCriz wrote:
Many people have told me that it have got babyish graphics and
terrible interface.

~DopeyCriz


Yes the graphics are not the best, but you will be surprised how much the movement, the scenario and the mood of the game puts you in trance..
I know many players that quitted other mmmorgs to start WoW just by watching me playing in a Net cafe.. (and i'm a lousy player.. Embarassed )
Plus the interface is greatly customizable, from third party addons, or yourslef.

DopeyCriz wrote:


I do not know anything about WoW as I yet to play it.

~DopeyCriz


Isnt it more wise first to try something, then to criticise, and in such a dogmatic way?
DivineConclave
DopeyCriz wrote:
WoW is proven to be the worst online MMORPG.
Well. RuneScape is the worsest.


Sorry. I missed that evidence. Considering WoW has been deemed the TOP MMO for the past 2 years.
With that said, yes... it could use improvement, but to call it the "worst" shows that there was no research done since it's been untouchable by others. It is THE top-grossing MMO. The reason why the servers suck so bad is because Blizzard can't keep up with the server population. A game isn't overpopulated with as many servers as Blizzard has by sucking. Wink

Quote:


Many people have told me that it have got babyish graphics and
terrible interface.



That's typically said by those who can't comprehend that there are SOME people who don't have incredible systems. Please view one of the above posts. Blizzard INTENDED the graphics to be simple for a very good reason.

FROM A PREVIOUS POST... on the same page even!! :
DivineConclave wrote:

Actually, when you think about WHY it's "cartoony", the graphics are phenomenal. The reason why the graphics are as they are is because Blizzard didn't want a customer to have to have a high-end "zOMG my system pwns urs" computer. They wanted people with a more mid-grade system to be able to play too. With that in mind, the graphics are intense. Having a high-grade system, I can also agree with you that I would like to see more detailed and better shaded graphics.

I have seen MUCH worse graphics than WoW without an intent to be that way.

Quote:

I do not know anything about WoW as I yet to play it.


I have to agree with Blackangel here.
And actually on the entire post. It does get kind of boring when you run so many. I have 3 60s, a 50 druid, a near-40 hunter and quite a few ALTs. The low level quests get boring because it is the same ones over and over and over. You don't really have much choice where to go. One you get around 35ish or so, there is usually something that you haven't done before somewhere. For instance, with my hunter, I am taking him to Ferelas in a few more levels because I have only done those quests with one or two other toons. But you are absolutely right. We need more quests... especially the low-mid level quests.
Lusiphur
Not only new quests but new instances for mid level characters would be a god send.

At the moment it seems like any new instances they realease are aimed at the hardcore raider and not at the casual player. While it is nice to have something to aim for after BWL (where my guild currently is) it owuld be equally nice to have some new experiences when leveling a new character up.

On a somewhat related note what are your views regarding the proposed 25 man raid cap being introduced in TBC?

Luse, Rogue on Xavius (Euro)
krrish
krazyfire wrote:
its expensive but is really addictive


yes, I agree with you. But it worths playing atleast for a month!
DivineConclave
Lusiphur wrote:
Not only new quests but new instances for mid level characters would be a god send.

At the moment it seems like any new instances they realease are aimed at the hardcore raider and not at the casual player. While it is nice to have something to aim for after BWL (where my guild currently is) it owuld be equally nice to have some new experiences when leveling a new character up.

On a somewhat related note what are your views regarding the proposed 25 man raid cap being introduced in TBC?

Luse, Rogue on Xavius (Euro)



I agree with this completely! They keep adding more endgame stuff before people even get to the current. There are many elder guilds who are just hitting BWL and they came out with nax. But that was just an event so that's kind of a moot point... but you're right... the same old beginner and mid instances are getting a little stale.

25-man raid cap? I missed that bit. What's that all about?

Ya know... I probably won't be getting the expansion for a while. I can't believe they're charging FORTY BUCKS for an EXPANSION! What? Let me get this straight... all you get are 2 new races which don't even have their own models, they're mixed models from current races (look closely), a new profession which is just a "tweaked out enchanter" profession (quoted from a guildmate, loved it.. kept it), a tiny zone (outlands), and 10 more levels.

The game itself is now going for 30 bucks. So they're charging 10 dollars more for an expansion that doesn't really give you anything new.
Also, as pointed out by the guildmate who made that quote above:
From our guild forums wrote:

Should I also bring up the point that hacks have proven that 90% of the zones that will be released with the expansion pack are ALREADY in game? Several zones from outland are already ON YOUR COMPUTER, as are several unused battlegrounds, a few of the 'past' worlds, emerald dream, and even some of the new weapons.

You're essentially paying $40 to unlock zones you paid $15 already for, 2 slapped together races, a remixed enchanting, and a slightly harder time levelling.
Lusiphur
In an interview that was linked int he news section (I'll post it when I find it) one of the designers for TBC said that in the expansion raid encounters will have a 25 man cap instead of 40, they have not said if this will affect the "old" instances.

Don;t like it, while it does help guilds I have the epicness of 40 man raids, I like that I have completed dungeons with the same 40 people. I know that when we complete the last of the dungeons in TBC and Illidian lies dead at our feet I'm gobnna look around and wonder where the other 15 people that used to raid with us have gone.

Socketing annoys me, TBC is going ot be called World of Diablocraft because of that I think..

I wish I could say the same about the expansion, but if I'm still playing at the time I'm going to get it, reason for the cost is so they don;t have to increase the subscription fees. Personally I'm glad they're doign it this way.
DivineConclave
Lusiphur wrote:
In an interview that was linked int he news section (I'll post it when I find it) one of the designers for TBC said that in the expansion raid encounters will have a 25 man cap instead of 40, they have not said if this will affect the "old" instances.

Don;t like it, while it does help guilds I have the epicness of 40 man raids, I like that I have completed dungeons with the same 40 people. I know that when we complete the last of the dungeons in TBC and Illidian lies dead at our feet I'm gobnna look around and wonder where the other 15 people that used to raid with us have gone.

Socketing annoys me, TBC is going ot be called World of Diablocraft because of that I think..

I wish I could say the same about the expansion, but if I'm still playing at the time I'm going to get it, reason for the cost is so they don;t have to increase the subscription fees. Personally I'm glad they're doign it this way.


Ahh..I was unaware of that cap. It doesn't bother me so much, but our guild is small. The larger zerg guilds, I can only assume would have understandable issues with it. Contradictory to this, I also DO , in fact, fear this concept because the way our guild is set up, it will lessen our chances to run the instances unless we can get a lot more numbers a lot more quickly. But my being picky on who gets in limits that possibility a bit. hehe

As for the reason for the cost, they wouldn't have to raise the subscription fees. There would be no reason to raise the subscription fees just because they have added an expansion. I guarantee you they won't have 'more staff' to worry about because the player base will not necessarily change any moreso than another Christmas coming around, and they're not adding any more servers based on the expansion. The staff will, for the most part but with few exceptions, I'm sure, remain the same.
elidorian
I started to play "mmorpgs" a few years ago, and always liked the community feeling of that games. Started with Anarchy Online I played mostly all games till WoW/DO and so on.
But since WoW the genre of mmorpgs started to get worse. The community parts mostly come apart...
All that little kiddies (I don't like children that much Rolling Eyes ) saying "Look at me! I'm the best! I got everything!" and so on. When you get new into one of this games, there all this little bastards laughing at you, killing you, want to ****** you, and so on. I mean, don't they have a real life, or are they so frustrated of it? Little pubescent boys...

-Elidorian, so frustrated about that such wonderful invention of gaming gets destroyed of the so called "mainstream" [I hate this word, but it fits here greatly...]
DivineConclave
elidorian wrote:
I started to play "mmorpgs" a few years ago, and always liked the community feeling of that games. Started with Anarchy Online I played mostly all games till WoW/DO and so on.
But since WoW the genre of mmorpgs started to get worse. The community parts mostly come apart...
All that little kiddies (I don't like children that much Rolling Eyes ) saying "Look at me! I'm the best! I got everything!" and so on. When you get new into one of this games, there all this little bastards laughing at you, killing you, want to **** you, and so on. I mean, don't they have a real life, or are they so frustrated of it? Little pubescent boys...

-Elidorian, so frustrated about that such wonderful invention of gaming gets destroyed of the so called "mainstream" [I hate this word, but it fits here greatly...]


Frighteningly, I agree with you here. It has gone from an MMO community of gaming geeks to competitive children with mommy's credit card. One thing of note that I find extremely interesting is that MOST of them who are decked out in purples (not all of them, mind you) can't play to save their pixelated asses. That basically tells me that they never earned their gear anyway.

Another thing that bothers me is Blizzard's response to griefing. I reported someone who was camping me for half an hour. He was skull to me. One of the things in the return email was "In PvP, you have the option to combat your way out of a situation." No. really, I don't. Not if I am a GREY to the ganker. What option? The only option I have is die and spirit rez and log off for a while. Way to promote playing your game, Blizzard. Make people log off or not be able to otherwise actually play.
guhuai
the game is really great
but the cost is really expensive too
it's hard to afford
Sad Sad
Blackangel
I have to agree about the lower age players. Early teenagers, trying to feel the power of "wtfpwning" others, ganking everything that moves. Anyway we have to live with this, or move to a non-pvp server. Though I think this could be solved if there was an honor-penalty for killing lowbies, and i really do not understand why blizzard did not implemented this rule. As for corpse-camping, you can try asking help of toher guild mates, so it is essential in this game to have a strong community, not in items and equipment, but more in relationship, friendship (as much it can be in a game).
Anyway these are the rules right now, and we got to live with (after all life itself is not fair, is it?) Confused
Lusiphur
I start on Horde becuase I heard that the "pretty" alliance races attracted kids, and I wanted to stay away from them. After seeing Barrens chat I found this to be wrong....

So I'm now alliance and it's just as bad.

The game is quite clearly about teamwork but people in your own faction are constantly trying to get one up on you with their items, amount of duels they're won or how they compare to you via dps in guild raids.

To be honest I think that the younger crowds are one of the worst elements in WoW. I have made some good friends on wow that are teenagers, so there are excepions. But there are only so many Chuck Norris jokes I can hear before wanted to shot them in the face with a hammer.

In regards to camping, you hvae to expect that on a pvp server, it's realy irritating when it happens, but I tend to ignore it when it happens.
Zpanzer
i just looked the talents through from the burning crusade and i must say rogues aint really get that nice stuff compared to f.x warlocks or mages.

I play a rogue myself, and i must say the stuff we get aint really impressive, the 41th talent sucks(the combat tree one is okay), the news "spells" is okay i suppose, the poison we get is really nice in PvE raiding.

But compared to what mages get its clearly nothing. Molten armor. damage each time you hit them, -10% crit from them and invissiblity....

Also shamans are getting a real buff, Dual Wielding +13% hit when dual wielding, "pet" totems and some nice new shields, mana each time you get hit, enrage like stuff and so on.. Really nice changes, i doubt any kind of balance in TBC, but i think its going to be great anyway.
DivineConclave
Blackangel wrote:
I have to agree about the lower age players. Early teenagers, trying to feel the power of "wtfpwning" others, ganking everything that moves. Anyway we have to live with this, or move to a non-pvp server. Though I think this could be solved if there was an honor-penalty for killing lowbies, and i really do not understand why blizzard did not implemented this rule. As for corpse-camping, you can try asking help of toher guild mates, so it is essential in this game to have a strong community, not in items and equipment, but more in relationship, friendship (as much it can be in a game).
Anyway these are the rules right now, and we got to live with (after all life itself is not fair, is it?) Confused


yeah. I know I know. I just have a hard time accepting that *I* should make the sacrfice because some twit feels the need to be an ass. But... here's proof that Blizzard supports this activity. This is an OFFICIAL BLIZZARD T-SHIRT! Read the description.

http://www.jinx.com/scripts/details.asp?affid=-1&productID=793

As for the last part of your post, what really bothers me about that is that Blizzard has continually advertised it as a game for the more casual gamer, and then it's like they have gone out of their way to make it the opposite.



EDIT: I forgot to touch on the honour penalty bit. I agree with you. There needs to be SOMETHING there. A couple ideas are:

1) Make it so that you can NOT attack a grey unless they directly attack you first.
2) If YOU attack a grey, you get a DK. If a party member attacks someone grey to you, you do NOT get a DK unless you engage in the combat. This includes healing.
DivineConclave
Lusiphur wrote:
I start on Horde becuase I heard that the "pretty" alliance races attracted kids, and I wanted to stay away from them. After seeing Barrens chat I found this to be wrong....

So I'm now alliance and it's just as bad.

The game is quite clearly about teamwork but people in your own faction are constantly trying to get one up on you with their items, amount of duels they're won or how they compare to you via dps in guild raids.

To be honest I think that the younger crowds are one of the worst elements in WoW. I have made some good friends on wow that are teenagers, so there are excepions. But there are only so many Chuck Norris jokes I can hear before wanted to shot them in the face with a hammer.


I agree completely. One thing that really irritates me is when people link me all their purples. Umm... good for you. Congrats. Get me in an endgame instance where I can star getting DKP and I'll have em too. Don't try to make me feel inferior just because I don't have your 1337 gear. Instead, it just irritates me.

Quote:

In regards to camping, you hvae to expect that on a pvp server, it's realy irritating when it happens, but I tend to ignore it when it happens.


I expect it. it isn't that I don't expect it. It just aggravates me to no end. Blizzard REALLY needs to do something about it. it is a VERY big problem right now. The difference between an Rp/PvP server and a PvP server is that on an RP/PvP server, you are supposed to RP your toon. Sorry, but the idea of, "You alliance me horde. Me kill you" is not RP. That's a really shallow approach to an excuse to be an ass. They use that as an excuse to gank.
DivineConclave
Zpanzer wrote:
i just looked the talents through from the burning crusade and i must say rogues aint really get that nice stuff compared to f.x warlocks or mages.

I play a rogue myself, and i must say the stuff we get aint really impressive, the 41th talent sucks(the combat tree one is okay), the news "spells" is okay i suppose, the poison we get is really nice in PvE raiding.

But compared to what mages get its clearly nothing. Molten armor. damage each time you hit them, -10% crit from them and invissiblity....

Also shamans are getting a real buff, Dual Wielding +13% hit when dual wielding, "pet" totems and some nice new shields, mana each time you get hit, enrage like stuff and so on.. Really nice changes, i doubt any kind of balance in TBC, but i think its going to be great anyway.


I disagree with this completely. I havea 60 rogue as well and haven't played him in forever. However, due to the new specs, that might change. I was thoroughly impressed with the rogue talents they are implementing.
I do think Blizzard needs to stop uber-buffing shaman though. It's getting insane. I am still waiting for Shaman to get "Wrath of the Titans." - A 1 second cast that devastates all opposing faction on your continent, NPCs and players alike.
PMonkey
I dont play WOW enough to see fit to pay for it so I use the free Private Servers. I only use these because I dont play that often and I strongly recomend that you use the full legal (pay to play) Blizzard Servers to get the full WOW experiance.

Free Private Servers can most often be VERY LAGGY, buggy and void of people, and often they do charecter wipes and you lose all your hard work.
Blackangel
I just saw the t-shirt.. Its really bad ti see that an entertainment industry does not even pretend to support right attitude and behavior. Well i guess we cannot expect this gank-hack-kill thing to change, at least from Blizzard's side...
Crying or Very sad
Lusiphur
Completely agree about hating purple-linkers. It wouldn;t be so bad if there was any skill behind getting them, but there's not. All you have to do is get into an End Game guild (which isn't that hard) and within 1 week you'll start to get purples (eif you raid every night like they want you to that is...)

I'm more impressed by the casual player with the extremly rare blues and purples from non-raid instances, they take more dedication to get IMO as it's easier to screw up and more rewarding when you complete one with a random group. But hey, not dissing raid instances, can;t beat the feeling ingame when you down a big boss for the first time.

It's a problem that comes with the game, and I feel it has a lot to do with kids wanting to feel elite and honestly believing that gear>skill.

That's why I am on a pvp server, to kill ppl like that Smile

Sad? Yes. Fickle? Yes. Fun? You better believe it.
Saber
hey, random note... who has been to or knows what Newman's Landing is for?
I found it this morning.. and It seems like just one of those other random places around the world that dont mean anything... yet... and I just wanted to check if it was or not.. I bet it is tho.
Blackangel
Newman's Landing? Where is it? i dont remember the name/place. I'd like to check it, thought i had seen almost every map in game Razz
Saber
well... its not really on the map.. its north of westfall along the coast, it doesnt show up on the map, but if you swim up for a while(along the coast so you dont "drown") then you get to it. Its just a dock, some times and a house. The only reason why I know its newmans landing is because theres a sign there.. And I dont think they would both making a sign if it was for nothing. But then again... they did do things like that... such as those really creepy goldshire kids....(look it up if you dont know what IM talking about)
the6thfactor
best mmo out there imo
DivineConclave
Hey guys... sorry I haven't posted in a while. I have been... er... awayish. Anyway... I agree with the poster who said it is more impressive with the casual player who has the rare blues and purples. I agree completely. I thought I was the only one. hehe... Wink

I haven't seen Newman's Landing, that I am aware of. Though I have made that swim. I may have just shrugged it off. But I do know that it's an interesting trek along the shore North and around to the east of Darkshore. If they had world-based player housing, that is where I would want mine, I think. "Darkshore" goes all the way North of Winterspring. I thought that was interesting. What I mean by that is that as you trek around to Winterspring, you are still in Darkshore chat. So for those of you who like to play the hide-and-seek "come find me" game, there's a good place. Smile
evandb
Man, I just looked at the new druid talents for BC... so disappointing. The 41 pt druid talent is just terrible.

I'm glad now that I leveled a warlock, they seem like they will be really fun in BC.
NatoRevenge
Me no like wow cuz got a graphic for kids and no got a magic anvil for upgrade weapon.
DivineConclave
evandb wrote:
Man, I just looked at the new druid talents for BC... so disappointing. The 41 pt druid talent is just terrible.

I'm glad now that I leveled a warlock, they seem like they will be really fun in BC.


Yeah. I have to say that I am not impressed with Blizzard's innate ability to, once again, completely deny the entire purpose of a priest.
nimish_rulz
Still cant believe u guys pay so much for tht game
DivineConclave
NatoRevenge wrote:
Me no like wow cuz got a graphic for kids and no got a magic anvil for upgrade weapon.


what?

I think I hurt brain cells on that one.
DivineConclave
nimish_rulz wrote:
Still cant believe u guys pay so much for tht game


No more than any other good MMO. In fact, standard MMO price. Unless you're into something like "Second Life". Tried that one for about... umm... 15 minutes.
Egmond
DivineConclave wrote:
nimish_rulz wrote:
Still cant believe u guys pay so much for tht game


No more than any other good MMO. In fact, standard MMO price. Unless you're into something like "Second Life". Tried that one for about... umm... 15 minutes.


I must admit -- the costs are pretty high, but it's just as expensive as buying a new game (60,-) every 6 months.

I hear from a lot of people that play Guild Wars because that's much cheaper... But there comes an add-on for about 40,- every 4 months... that makes the same costs!
Lusiphur
I pay £18 for 2 months play. That's £9 a week for something I use to pass the time at home when I'm not working or out. If I think how much I would spend renting/buying DVD's, money I would spend trying to kill time in the afternoon (at the bar more than likely) I think it's a small amount to pay for something that I spent a lot of time per week at.
Insanity
Drinking or spending hours and hours wasting away on the computer.. hmm tough decision.
DivineConclave
As far as the MMO world is concerned, the only thing that I think is rather high cost-wise about World of Warcraft is the expansion pack. I think they're being a bit greedy there.
Guild Wars is "no subscription" from what I understand.

World of Warcraft really needs to start focusing on their loyal customers a bit more though. This goes beyond cost. this goes back to a discussion previously in this thread regarding the whole farmer/jack@$$ situation they are having on every server. Even on new servers, within 2 weeks, it's full of the arrogant, obnoxious, twits. They NEED to start enforcing their own rules. I have been out of game now for about 3 weeks because of some real life issues (I'm very poor and lost my internet - all hail libraries) and the only part of me missing World of Warcraft is my guild. Everything else, I pretty much could care less about at the moment. If it wasn't for the guild, I would actually just say "screw it" and not go back.

Anyway, that was a tangent for another time. heh...
Lusiphur
Insanity wrote:
Drinking or spending hours and hours wasting away on the computer.. hmm tough decision.


I agree. I go out Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. The other days I stay in to save money and recover. I spend less time on wow than I do in bars atm. But as far as money is concerned wow is still a comparatively cheap way to waste a few hours when I want to stay in.

Hell it beats the rubbish on Sky/Cable (which can cost more...)
Blackangel
its a nice way of spending your time Smile
Not to mention you meet some people that can some time be your friends in real life. I first met my grilfriend in WoW , we are leaving together now. And raid together too Razz
DivineConclave
Blackangel wrote:
its a nice way of spending your time Smile
Not to mention you meet some people that can some time be your friends in real life. I first met my grilfriend in WoW , we are leaving together now. And raid together too Razz


Agreed. I am currently in a really really shitty situation here in the desert. My friends I've met through WoW are the only ones who have actually offered any help or advice or even said, "Hey... if you come out this way, we'll be able to help a little." That alone says a lot.

Interesting on the girlfriend bit. LOL... I LOST mine to gaming. : - /

I really wish I were exaggerating that. hehe
DivineConclave
Lusiphur wrote:
Insanity wrote:
Drinking or spending hours and hours wasting away on the computer.. hmm tough decision.


I agree. I go out Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. The other days I stay in to save money and recover. I spend less time on wow than I do in bars atm. But as far as money is concerned wow is still a comparatively cheap way to waste a few hours when I want to stay in.

Hell it beats the rubbish on Sky/Cable (which can cost more...)


It really is. And I made the comparison previously in the thread about the 15 bucks a month compared to what it would cost you to play as often in an arcade. I'll spend 50¢ a day for gaming rather than 50¢ per 10 minute game!
Lusiphur
Just out of curiousity where abouts to the people here play?

I have 2 active servers at the moment, both European. Xavius and Ravenholdt. Used to play on Thunderhorn, but got bored with PvE servers quicklly.
Mosquito.Tyler
I have a 60 priest on Draenor, one of the origional servers. I also have a bunch of other crap characters. I stopped playing a month ago, and prolly wont play until the expansion comes out.
pc_service2007
I am playing on a free server...it's local and it works perfect.........no cheats allowed and it's fair.....what more could you want???
Blackangel
well, the official server means more people to interact with. Of course it also means a lot more chances to be ...ganked (PVP) servers, but thats the reason someone plays MMORG i think.
sodeli
i wander why wow have over 5 milion players if it's that expensive and not that good game ??
wow is a great game the only think i lacks is in end game and have some lag
the graphic this game have is very good they didn't want to make such a diference from warcraft 3
also the expansion is gona release soon adding more features and races this may atract new players
i realy dont think wow is a bad game at all
Em_de_Tech
I love World of Warcraft, but for the last month our house is being remodelled so i don't have a computer capable of proccesing WoW. I don't think that it's that expensive to play. I mean, i'd rather play this with fifteen dollars a month than buy a game, get bored of it, buy a nother game, get bored of it, buy... I believe that it is way less expensive to play just WoW. I'm not all that good at that gameone way or another. I can't stay constant on any character. Once i reach like level 20 i get bored of that class or something, so i start anew. But the game is still really cool so I play it! Very Happy
Blackangel
Em_de_Tech wrote:
Once i reach like level 20 i get bored of that class or something, so i start anew. But the game is still really cool so I play it! Very Happy


The real fun of the game and the best talents of the classes are after lvl 40. So if you just be a little bit more patient you will be awarded, believe me!! Very Happy
Nitro15
Blackangel wrote:
Em_de_Tech wrote:
Once i reach like level 20 i get bored of that class or something, so i start anew. But the game is still really cool so I play it! Very Happy


The real fun of the game and the best talents of the classes are after lvl 40. So if you just be a little bit more patient you will be awarded, believe me!! Very Happy


I've been playing the game since the day it was released (November 21, 2004) and personally, I think the game doesn't start until you hit 60. 1-59... pretty much a tutorial. Once you hit 60, you have so many more opportunities. You have all of these raids you can go to, or even if you're not into raiding, you can still go into the 5-man dungeons and get yourself some better gear. Or just PvP your brains out. Laughing
DivineConclave
Nitro15 wrote:
Blackangel wrote:
Em_de_Tech wrote:
Once i reach like level 20 i get bored of that class or something, so i start anew. But the game is still really cool so I play it! Very Happy


The real fun of the game and the best talents of the classes are after lvl 40. So if you just be a little bit more patient you will be awarded, believe me!! Very Happy


I've been playing the game since the day it was released (November 21, 2004) and personally, I think the game doesn't start until you hit 60. 1-59... pretty much a tutorial. Once you hit 60, you have so many more opportunities. You have all of these raids you can go to, or even if you're not into raiding, you can still go into the 5-man dungeons and get yourself some better gear. Or just PvP your brains out. Laughing


I actually both agree and disagree with this, but moreso disagree. I think you're right that a lot of new opps open up. There is something thrilling about getting 40 of your friends together and beating the crap out of a dragon or a big giant lava thing or... each other. But, then it becomes really really monotonous. At least 1-59 is always something new. Now at 60, I spend most of my time RPing or exploring "do not enter" areas. There's really not much else to do right now. However, in complete opposition to what I just said, I think they need to stop adding end-game content and begin adding mid-level content.

Now I am being rushed off the puter (love the theatre).. so I must leave you with that. hehe
Lusiphur
Agree completely DC, infact in one of my earlier posts I mentioned that they need to put in more mid game content and ot stop concentrating on raid instances.

However, I can understand why they do it. Compare how long you spend at lvl 40 and lvl 60. I take me 2 or 3 days to lvl to 50 from 40, in those 10 levels I only have to repeat instances if there is a drop I want. However at 60 I constantly want something different to do, farming ZG/MC becomes dull after a few months...

The only work around I can see if to create a few more lvl 60 non-raid instances, or even a few more 10 man raid instances. They are much more fun than 20/40 man instances imo.

I'm currently wowless atm, new house, 2 weeks uintil net is installed. Thank god for internet access in work Razz
Blackangel
I think though that in Buring crusade or teh next patch,(not sure which one) the 40-man raids are wanna be redesigned to 25-man and more will be added, thus giving more options and possibilities for small guilds to raid high end instances.
DivineConclave
Lusiphur wrote:
Agree completely DC, infact in one of my earlier posts I mentioned that they need to put in more mid game content and ot stop concentrating on raid instances.

However, I can understand why they do it. Compare how long you spend at lvl 40 and lvl 60. I take me 2 or 3 days to lvl to 50 from 40, in those 10 levels I only have to repeat instances if there is a drop I want. However at 60 I constantly want something different to do, farming ZG/MC becomes dull after a few months...

The only work around I can see if to create a few more lvl 60 non-raid instances, or even a few more 10 man raid instances. They are much more fun than 20/40 man instances imo.

I'm currently wowless atm, new house, 2 weeks uintil net is installed. Thank god for internet access in work Razz


I agree with your 10man versus 40 man concept. I think a lot of that too is that:
1) It's often hard to get 40 people on the same day at the same time for the length of time required for a given stance.
2) More loot competition in 40-man
3) More "too many cooks in the kitchen" scenarios on 40-man
4) Too much, "We require you have vent" or some mod

There are various reasons why. But I think the biggest of which is that with a 10-15 man raid scenario, you can bond a little more with your fellow raiders and you have to be that much more in sync with each other. In all actuality, in a 40 man raid, if one person isn't pulling their weight, it really isn't all that noticeable (unless it's a healer of a given group). In a ten man, it becomes very noticeable.

As for the no internet thing, same here. Sad Trying to find an apartment at the moment and have no internet in the meantime. Using the theatre's. heh Anyone in Tucson have a cheap apartment to rent? Very Happy
Lusiphur
Blackangel wrote:
I think though that in Buring crusade or teh next patch,(not sure which one) the 40-man raids are wanna be redesigned to 25-man and more will be added, thus giving more options and possibilities for small guilds to raid high end instances.


With TBC there are limiting any new raid dungeons that make to 25 man. This will only apply to the new instances, they are not changing the cap on the already established 40 man instances (BWL/MC etc)

@ DC. Nothing I can say, agree completely. Good luck getting your apartment though Smile

9 days till internet connection and counting...
the6thfactor
dfsdf
Blackangel
living without internet.. hmmm i was like an animal in cage Razz
interesting how much things alter the way we live sometimes Smile
airek
i played wow for awhile but after my 2 month card ran out i got sick of palying. Towards the end i only tried to make money in the AH. But playing on a pvp server was sweet. I was a night elf rogue.
DivineConclave
Yes. This living without internet thing is "harshin my buzz". I am going into serious WoW withdrawls. hehe... Today at work, I made a sculpture of the fountain in front of the SW bank out of Jojoba beans. It wasn't a very good sculpture, but I knew what it was and that's all that matters. Then my thought was "I think I will go farm Silithus when I get off work... ... ... Wait. No I won't. *sniffle*"

Will all hopefully be resolved soon though. I have found that Tucson apartment complexes have some weird rules that are designed merely to prevent people from renting. It's so damned hard to live anymore.
yy1124
I've played in official server for 3 month, beta ofcause (not US and not GB). After that I quit (no money~)...

After few month I join some privateservers but...pretty much of their skills ae not working...especially Hunters...
Lusiphur
New Hunter talents have been released....oh good god...

As a Rogue I'm disgusted at the powerscale difference between the Hunter Talents and the Rogue Talent. On the other hand my hunter is loving it.

18 sec immunity to roots, fear and anything that slows you? Yes please. On a 2 min cooldown? Even better.

I refuse to believe that talent will survive the TBC Beta. But tbh the rest of the talents are rock hard as well.

6 days to internet.
vectorian
I started playing it on Private Servers more than a year ago since it was not easy to obtain the CD here in my country. Me and a group of my friends loved it so much but was kinda frustrated with the limitations of private servers.

We started playing on the official servers in Feb this year and have been a great journet thus far. Personally I have characters on Aggramar and Gorgannash servers.

Be warned tho... its super addictive so pace yourself.
TonkPilz
i just felt like posting this image
phantomsofthenight
I have been playing world of warcraft for over a year now and love the game im a guild leader on stormrage. We have the new expack comming out in nov. Here is some info about the expack. The Basics We've added a new icon on your action bar, next to your Social button. This will open a window that prompts you to indicate whether you want to start a group or join one that's already in the process of being assembled. Depending on your selection, either the "Looking for Group" or the "Looking for More" interface appears next. Both interfaces have tabs at the bottom that let you easily switch between the two. The Looking for Group interface allows individual players to be added to a queue of other eligible players looking for a group and matches them up based on preferences they have set. The Looking for More option allows for a group to search out additional members to complete a group.

Looking for Group Interface

The Looking for Group interface contains several dropdown menus that let you search for a number of groups at the same time. Each dropdown menu contains category options that indicate the type of group you're looking for, and each category option provides a different list of secondary options.

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Selecting Dungeon
in the first dropdown menu will offer a list of level-appropriate dungeons in the second dropdown menu.
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Selecting Raid
in the first dropdown menu will offer a list of level-appropriate raids in the second drop-down menu.
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Selecting Quest
in the first dropdown menu will offer a list of quests that are active in your quest log in the second dropdown menu.
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Selecting Zone
in the first dropdown menu will offer a list of level-appropriate zones in the second dropdown menu.
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Selecting Battleground
in the first dropdown menu will offer a list of all level-appropriate battlegrounds in the second dropdown menu.

So, using the interface, you can for example look for a group in Stratholme, a quest partner for a specific quest, and an Arathi Basin group all at the same time, with the option to auto-join the first group that becomes available. The auto-join option can be toggled off, should you wish to manually search for and accept invitations.
Lusiphur
Bit of advice, when posting from somewhere else, or quoting large blocks of text put the text in
Quote:
tags. Otherwise people will just assume you're posting the info to inflate your points/$'s

But that aside, I was going over the info on the Blizz site, I'll reserve judgement until I see it, but it at least looks like it will be more effiecent and will get rid of the irritating /3
Saber
well Im not too sure that Im going to get TBC, Its just not really worth the money for me. I only play WOW ever now and then so the $50ish isnt worth just sitting there because I wont do anything it brings for a really long time.

Other thoughts, I was wondering around and took this screen shot.
Just wondering, anyone able to guess where it is?
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/5088/gnomehousejs0.jpg

-saber
Em_de_Tech
I have no idea where the screenshot takes place. I don't really get to play WoW much anymore. I do think that the game is worth the money, but idon't think that it's worth the time. I mean, being a full IB student, with 2 sports, a job, and trying to get volunteering hours in is a very tough thing to do. I mean, i would put WoW in first priority in all of that but my parents wouldn't. Laughing Because when you start that game you cant stop for at least like an hour. And sometimes (All high level players can back me on this) Instances can take way more than an hour. My parents hate me playing that game because they think that i'm wasting my life away in front of it. (That's cuz i would if they let me) They think that i should of grown out of it. I don't think that it's possible to outgrow a game like that.[/quote]
Lusiphur
The new content makes TBC an essential buy for people that play wow on more than a casual basis. I clock up 2-3 hours a day on it when I'm not doing anything else.

15 new 5 man instances, and a plethora of 25 man raid instances mean that there is content available for everyone.

Add to that new quest chains and continuation of the lore and we have, IMO, a winner.

Obviously I'll be buying it Smile
avant
I play wow (obviously) and if you are level 60 already and plan to continue with your wow-playing you have to buy the urningn crusade. Otherswise it would kindof be like playing at lvl 40 without trying to level. The only reason i can see why you should continue is the pvp aspect. But then again, if they make the battlegrounds 60-69 why bother?
Blackangel
About the screen shot saber, it looks to me like Westfall, but I haven't check around yet to find the actual place. (If my guess is right of course..)
Saber
@Blackangel
yes, your right about being in westfall. Even that I have been playing the game on and off from closed beta day 1, the day I took that screen shot was the first time I found that dog house, if you want to find it on your own go ahead, theres not really much there, I just thought that it was sorta amusing.
Or I could tell you the location and you can look for yourself,
Was it the grass/tress that gave it away?

-saber
Blackangel
Yes it was the trees and the overall mood actually. But i cant log today to find it out, there is an extended maintenance and no WoW for 36 hours Sad
moonblade
Hmm, I've finally started following Burning Crusade developments (haven't bothered before due to the fact I decided I'd buy it in any cases - wanderlust ahoy), and I have to say that so far, things look good. One thing I slightly worry about is the fact that the Tiered people will have a bit of an advantage over others, but then again... It's only fair that they should, what with all the time they've invested into raiding... And the Arena fights are making me cackle in delight... Finally, a chance to omgwtfpwn my fellow Alliance inept foos. I can't believe they didn't make it earlier, it's been 3 months since the launch that I began feeling a terrible itch in my hand to kill about 90% of fellow population.

Just have to say that I wonder how the balancing of items will work - after all, having one T3 rogue and two non-tiered people against three people of random epics of same point value will end up in a lot of pain... And how do the points work in both arena and normal PvP? *shivers* If there's anyone here that's got a comprehensive answer to these systems, please let me know!
Blackangel
anyone knows any link to get more info on TBC? I mean quests or items and stuff like that.
moonblade
Well, I have this link here - http://wow.warcry.com/content/info/burning_crusade/index.php

It has quite a bit of stuff on it, and editorials by Cantfakethefunk are -brilliant-.
Kyraxe
I've been playing since launch on a few different servers. Currently playing Alliance on the Lightninghoof server. Can't wait for burning crusade, its looking great so far.
hoots123
i played Wow For about 8 months, got into there open beta, was the best game i ever played, but it just wore out on me, i no longer play have my account still but not subscribed, had a 48 shaman and 50 rogue. Cant wait for a new game to come out. MMorpgs are so fun when they are first released but they all seem to wear off, maby im just getting to old now Razz

- Hoots
Lusiphur
Hoots, I would tend to agree with you about MMORPG's wearing out after a while, but wow is oddly different.

It's shame you didn't play until 60, it's a completetly different game at 60. Bigger instances that actually require thought and planning, high level pvp with large groups Smile

And umm....well actually that's it Razz But it's fun Very Happy
moonblade
Heh, I'm lucky to be one of those funny "RPer" people that seem to be content sitting a few months in the same area, pretending to "live" in the world. However, after almost two years of playing WoW now, I must say that I've seen just about everything the game has to offer, ranging from world zones to PvP to endgame instancing, and, well... If it wasn't for the people, I'd have -long- ago uninstalled the game.
Egmond
Lusiphur wrote:
Hoots, I would tend to agree with you about MMORPG's wearing out after a while, but wow is oddly different.

It's shame you didn't play until 60, it's a completetly different game at 60. Bigger instances that actually require thought and planning, high level pvp with large groups Smile

And umm....well actually that's it Razz But it's fun Very Happy


I've heard from some friends tht actually the game 'ends' at level 60, because there's just so little quests to do. The only interesting thing is repeating some instances... At least they say so...

Actually i'm really looking forward to 40 men instances, but i'm almost certain i'll mainly focus on my alts by the time i get level 60
moonblade
40-man instances... Man I hate those, to be honest. There's no sense of individuality. You want to join a raid group? Use a certain spec, wear certain gear. You want to succeed and stay? Cast -exactly- -same- -spells- over and over ad nauseum. Fun? I say not. So I'm waiting for the expansion for challenging 5-man groups where one can play using non-standard builds, loot they felt like getting, at any time they like, with anyone they want, and without the stupid DKPs.

Plus! Now, bosses drop tokens! 1 token = 1 piece of class set. *cheers* No more 1000 runs to Scholo to get that hat, huh?
Lusiphur
Not a fan of 40 man raids myself. 20 man on the other hand I love.

20 men seem to be the perfect number for tight encounters, class choices are more important and you sometimes need people to spec different talents from normal as they have to help fill more than one role.

The game only ends at 60 if you can't get into a raiding guild, without a raiding guild you are left doing the same irritatingly easy instances over and over and over and....etc Which isn't fun for anyone. Raiding gets you access to the real challenges of the game, and that IMHO is where the fun lies.

Can I get a link to the bosses dropping tokens? Dislike that idea. I don't mind them dropping certain things that you can hand in for sets (like in ZG or Naxx), but having every boss do that for each class set? Step in the wrong direction.

On the other hand, PvP rewards are now going to be bought with honour tokens, and with the revamp to the honour system this could make getting the good gear much more interesting than grinind for 6 months for 12+ hours a day.
moonblade
The stuff about tokens I think I've read somewhere here:
http://wow.warcry.com/content/info/burning_crusade/index.php

And I personally like the idea - as long as it doesn't cost one token to buy any piece of the set. 1 token - bracers, 2 tokens - gloves, etc, that starts making sense. Especially in the light of original T0 drops - Baron in Stratholme dropping the caster "dresses"? What the heck? Riiiight. Besides, I'm a person that got himself dead tired at one point doing UBRS runs for LF, started going there as a rogue, LF dropped every 3rd run, Dal'Rends, on the other hand, dropped only when I ran with paladin... It really gets annoying. Now, if a boss drops a currency that, after collecting, I can -for sure- exchange for a new shiny, yeah, I'll be less stressed running the place over and over again.


As for PvP... *drool* Watch out, fellow Alliance members, you are going to pay for your incompetence at last.
Blackangel
Is it affirmative that tier 0-1-2-or whatever items will gonna be exchanged with tokens? Did anyone play the beta version to confirm this?
moonblade
Not any of the stuff from 0-3 tiers. All the old stuff will stay. The tokens will be dropped in new instances, and actually, if I got it right, only on the "Hard" difficulty - in other words, past L66 (or was it 70?).
Egmond
moonblade wrote:
40-man instances... Man I hate those, to be honest. There's no sense of individuality. You want to join a raid group? Use a certain spec, wear certain gear. You want to succeed and stay? Cast -exactly- -same- -spells- over and over ad nauseum. Fun? I say not. So I'm waiting for the expansion for challenging 5-man groups where one can play using non-standard builds, loot they felt like getting, at any time they like, with anyone they want, and without the stupid DKPs.

Plus! Now, bosses drop tokens! 1 token = 1 piece of class set. *cheers* No more 1000 runs to Scholo to get that hat, huh?


Would it help to create the instances better? Say, you need to fight to 4 places at the same time, so the group needs to split up in four. Then you're fighting with smaller groups, while you can still have massive battles and the fun of 40-man...
moonblade
Well, that would work better, I suppose, but there's no point in having 40 people there in that case, either... I think Blizz making biggest expansion raid 25 is a great idea, to be honest. Of course, it would be even better if the members of raids still didn't have to be cookie-cutter frost mages, holy paladins and protection warriors, but it's a step forward.

What -would- be nice though is a bit of "puzzle" type instances, with perhaps even a 2-man cap, for those that don't party up a lot at all (and there's many people like that, I would think), but this is too much of a pain in the ass, anyway.

In general, though, I'd just be happy if the instances were short (and in BC, they will indeed be), exciting (ditto) and not requiring me to respec and keep spamming Cleanse.
Lessien
wel
i must admid i don't know bout playing a high level character
or bout other things in wow
i started playing 2 months ago
got invited by a friend of mine who also plays
but already love it
i play most evenings for an hour or 5
and ya right bout one thing
the pvp realms aren't that much fun
the players are rather rude
but it's great playing in a rp realm
though i would love to know some people who would actually rp in there
most just do the quests
i play on the earopean servers
so maybe if someone wants to we can rp or just quest together
right now i have only 2 char in a rp realm (both in moonglade)
one is a level 11 nightelf rogue (no never even considered attack someone in the back) and a level 13 troll shaman
also have a nightelf hunter and a undead warmage in 2 pvp realms
i know i'm rather low level, but hey, i just started
Lusiphur
Can't be bothered quoting the post before me Smile

PvP realms are IMO the best realms to play on. I'm currently on a RPPvP realm (rerolled again..) it's taken me 2 weeks of playing for a few hours a night to hit 40 and I have just under 500 honour kills to my name.

I have been ganked and killed countless times, I have been jumped by people while on half health only to fight back, establish control and win the fight, in turn I have jumped people and they have done the same back to me. You don't have that on a PvE realm, which is a real shame.

BUT...PvP realms are not for everyone. The fact that you will get ganked is to much for some people. Personally I play the game for pvp, but that's just me Smile
roach831
Hahahahaha i was laughing at this picture when i clicked on it

Blackangel
PvP realms are great if you realise and accept that you are in war with the other faction. And in war (as in love) everything is acceptable. Of course there is always a code of honor. To be honest I have helped many times hordes, and i have ganked them too sometimes. I've been ganked countless times (paladin=easy target for casters:P). There were times i wanted to break my keyboard and times i had fun dancing or making silly things and gestures. And there is always the thrill, especially at areas for lvls >40 where you have to keep your eyes open, quests are in same areas, sometimes are contradictionary to other faction. You can never feel safe and it keeps you on the edge. It IS fun but can be nerve-shattering too, but in the aftermath, its all about adrenaline Smile
Lessien
that pic with the small guy and the doghouse sure do look funny. where can you find them in wow cause i gotta show my friend that place. she would love it.
Blackangel
Its in westfall somewhere near the lighthouse
Lessien
alright
i'll have to visit that place then. if i won't get lost. i have no sence of direction in wow while in real life i can read maps and such.
talking bout odd.
odinsrealm
Hi there , just joined the community and thought id say high, im on emerald dream server, have a lvl 60 shadowpriest and 47 fire mage and a lowbie lock used as bank alt untill im bored enuf to lvl it
thegregmann
I played world of warcraft like no other i think i played for 8 months its like the south pak episode happened to me lol but i can get back to normal lol im not addicted .... I SWEAR lol jk i had to stop after i realized how much time i was wasting and went out and got a job lol
SilverDawn
Mmm, a rather amusing picture indeed... Of course, the lighthouse would be a rather noisy area, not to mention smelly, what with all the lowbie players bringing murloc heads to it - ick.

Must say I'm really starting to look forward to the Burning Crusade, though there's one bit of doubt gnawing me - if riding and the mount together (flying ones) will cost about 10K, how the heck am I going to ever make that much money without selling my kidnies?
felix292
I prefer tibia to world of warcraft
Saber
felix292 wrote:
I prefer tibia to world of warcraft

just a note, its more helpful if you say why you think something, so theres something to talk about..


anyways, anyone know much about this being able to set the "level" of a dungeon in BC? that and/or if anyone is in the closed beta, is jewcrafting worth it?

-saber
Lusiphur
There will be 2 levels of difficulty in each dungeon, the group leader chooses which one the group will do when they enter. Notable differences are a significant increase in HP, Armour and Resists, in addition to mobs/bosses having access to more adds and additional attacks (there also may be rare spawns in harder diff that aren;t there in normal). The main attraction will be that each difficulty setting will have different loot tables. So to get teh really good stuff you need to work for it.

I like this, if the difficulty is actually hard it will give the casual non-raider a challenge and allow them to potentially compete with raiders for gear.

As to jewel crafting... It's a matter of personal opinion. It will be important to have people who can make jewels in each guild, the sheer amount of customisation available from JC on the beta atm is startling. It will make a huge difference. Also jewel crafters are able to make a good amount on BoP Rings and necklaces.

At the end of the day it will be like enchanting imo. Nice to have, potential to be profitable, but only really useful as you don;t have to find other people to do the work for you.
Saber
@Lusiphur
Ah, thanks for clearing that up for me.
Egmond
Got a little question about casting:

I just started a warlock and chose the talents for reduced Corruption casting time. Now i was wondering - What's the use of reducing the cast to 0, if you have to wait for the aftercast anyway? Okay, you can cast it while walking, but that isn't anything you want to do in the middle of a PVE battle...
Saber
@Egmond
Well you could think of it this way, if something is instant cast, or 0 cast time that few seconds that it normally would take now can be used doing something else.

-Saber
Lusiphur
It's main use is in a player v player environment IMO. A 0 cast spell mean you can get more damage on your target over a short period of time.

Not played a warlock myself so I'm not honestly to sure about the application of it in a pve environment though.
Egmond
Could it also have something to do with the mana regeneration during casting? As far as i know, the tutorial or manual doesn't say anything about it, but there are talents like 'keeps 50% of your mana regenerated during casting'... So it seems to me that you have limited mana regeneration!

In that case, a decreased casting time would be very useful.
Lusiphur
During combat you stop regeneratting mana for 3 seconds (it might be slightly less) after you use any ability that uses mana (casting a spell, firing a sting or healing someone for example). Casting time doesn't affect this, only the fact that it uses mana.

If you want to test it just log on and get a char with mana. Watch your mana bar and when it increases cast a spell. COunt how long until it increases again. Now wait until another increase, count again this time without casting a spell, you will see a difference.
prym3r
Shadow Priest > ALL! Smile

i play in kilrogg Realm, Human Priest , named Pryme
Noner
I have a wow account, but I haven't been playing for very long while, as I am busy with my studies and internet business. What can I do for that. I lost like 70 $ for the game, but it doesn't matter I think. Ill get them back, by not wasting the time for playing. World of warcraft it is a very good game and much worth playing, but I actually don't like MMORPG's so much.
Egmond
Lusiphur wrote:
During combat you stop regeneratting mana for 3 seconds (it might be slightly less) after you use any ability that uses mana (casting a spell, firing a sting or healing someone for example). Casting time doesn't affect this, only the fact that it uses mana.

If you want to test it just log on and get a char with mana. Watch your mana bar and when it increases cast a spell. COunt how long until it increases again. Now wait until another increase, count again this time without casting a spell, you will see a difference.


Thanks!

As far as i know, you 'use' a ability when you're ready with casting, because at that point you lose your mana, and it gives a message in the combat log. This would mean you do have profit of a reduced cating time, as long as you wait at least 3 seconds before casting another ability!

With this information, i'd say, the best way to heal is waiting a long time for regeneration, then give a heal burst, and afterwards wait for some time before healing again... is this right? And is it also a well-known priest-strategy?
Dakafall
Man...... What to say about WoW...... Its a major life sucker! Lol! This is an awsome game, and besides the fee to pay for it every month everyone who is into some RPG's should buy it. If you are worried about the price, buy the trial of the game, it requires a credit card but they wont charge anything on it, its just verifing you age i think.....

Anyways, once again this is the best RPG out there so far, besides star wars galaxies that is, but that is a whole nother story and a whole nother game.

If anyone has any question or needs any help with WoW, or anything else about RPG's you can ask me, I would be more than glad to help anyone out!

Later all!

-=Dakafall=-
Lusiphur
Egmond wrote:
Lusiphur wrote:
During combat you stop regeneratting mana for 3 seconds (it might be slightly less) after you use any ability that uses mana (casting a spell, firing a sting or healing someone for example). Casting time doesn't affect this, only the fact that it uses mana.

If you want to test it just log on and get a char with mana. Watch your mana bar and when it increases cast a spell. COunt how long until it increases again. Now wait until another increase, count again this time without casting a spell, you will see a difference.


Thanks!

As far as i know, you 'use' a ability when you're ready with casting, because at that point you lose your mana, and it gives a message in the combat log. This would mean you do have profit of a reduced cating time, as long as you wait at least 3 seconds before casting another ability!

With this information, i'd say, the best way to heal is waiting a long time for regeneration, then give a heal burst, and afterwards wait for some time before healing again... is this right? And is it also a well-known priest-strategy?


I just double checked, mana regeneration pauses for 5 seconds after you use an ability that costs mana.

I've never played a priest/healing class, but in any raids I've been on we've handled it the following way.

Melee classes that are not a warrior rely on bandages and pots to heal, the priests have to concentrate on the main tank and off tanks during boss fights. On non-boss fights the most mana efficient way of healing is by always keeping a Heal over Time effect (Renew or Regrowth) on the melee while using your wand to deal damage (in general your mana will regen a substantial amount before the HoT's have worn off or you need to heal anyone)

In 5/10 man instances mana conservation is nowhere near as important IMO. You can afford to use Mindblasts/Holy Smite/Whatever is addition to spamming heals on the tank when it's needed.

I'll mention your idea to guild priests though, they can give better feedback on the matter than I can Smile
FortuN
Ohh,
Im just donwload the trial version soon.
Im should test it whit a friend.
Maybe i shop it if it is god.
I have never played a wow game before.
So this should be fun Smile
Hope im just not getting hacked by some1.
Aja, bye now i should play..
creezalird
Never have time to play WOW but I really want to play it.Especially as I just watched the South Park series regarding WOW
Thats great man
Calebgod
I have been playing this game for about a year. Can't wait for the expansion to come out. I love this game especially when most of my family play it.
d132
i dont like to pay i play on private servers Very Happy
but i dont realy like to play on private servers
horde rulez!!!
prym3r
private servers just sucks! To many bugs / hacks / stupid level cap etc.. u cant have the full experience of wow on private servers, you wil never see the game like you have to...

Or we play like we have to .. or we dont!..

But off course, i understand not all people can pay to play..
Egmond
creezalird wrote:
Never have time to play WOW but I really want to play it.Especially as I just watched the South Park series regarding WOW
Thats great man


Oh yeah, that south park movie is great! Everyone should have seen it, if not, check http://youtube.com/watch?v=BZkiyLhLPyg (and of course the following parts too ^^)
uberman
Hi this is my first post and i would like to says thanks to frihost anyway

i think the latest patch was great and i like the arena and i cant wait unti burning crusade i will be to lvl 70 so fast and i will own the at pvp and i will have all the wepeans
Kitten Kong
OH YEAH Arena Battles, is everyone partnered up yet? my mate rang me the minute he read the announcement and is ever since trying to talk me into renewing my subscription. When is the expansion coming out now?
Egmond
Indeed, the patch is great! I really like the new looking for group system.

Just pity about the down realms on wednesday. Well, it was funny to see that the offical forum post about the new UI got 26 pages in less then one hour! (yes, this topic has 10 pages in almost one year!)
DivineConclave
Sorry I've been away, guys. Life got real busy real fast. Not to mention my PhP issues I was having. All is well now though.


I have to disagree about the PvP realms being the best opinion. I have found that PVP reams are full of little children who have the maturity lying somewhere between toast and a box of pudding. They are the ones who hack Counterstrike and think they're actually GOOD at the game. I have had nothing but bad experiences with PvPers overall (with the exception of a few who were just casual PvPers).

I agree that this latest patch, 2.0, ROCKS! Blizzard FINALLY gave Holy Priests something to HEAL with. No DPS buffs... but healing! Excellent! The new talents and spells, I can definitely live with. And the new hunter's mark is hawt. As my friend put it, "The new hunter's mark is great. You cast it and it distracts the opponent just long enough, as they stare at it in awe, for you to beat the living crap out of em."
Now... if Blizzard can one day have a patch that doesn't break something else, I will know the world is coming to an end and it will be time to quit WoW.

Expansion is coming out January 16th. It is the FIRST OFFICIAL STREET DATE given by Blizzard, which means that it WILL be out January 16th.

I like the new LFG system. I like not having to read people's world spam. My chat scroll has severely minimized. The only thing I don't like about it is you can't really do a "60 Priest LFG - Anything" kind of thing. And I have no where to really advertise our guilds services... but ah well. It's a fair trade, really. A little sacrifice for a large improvement, I say.
DivineConclave
Saber wrote:
felix292 wrote:
I prefer tibia to world of warcraft

just a note, its more helpful if you say why you think something, so theres something to talk about..


anyways, anyone know much about this being able to set the "level" of a dungeon in BC? that and/or if anyone is in the closed beta, is jewcrafting worth it?

-saber


hehe.. Heya Saber... long time no see...

"jewcrafting" is always worth it. Not sure about "jewelcrafting" though. Wink hehe..

Actually... I am still under debate about how good BC is going to be, but I did reserve a copy... of course. I am an addict, what else am I gonna do? I think Blizz really needed to put more thought into the changes and such if they are going to charge that much for an expansion, but nonetheless, I guess we will have to wait and see.
I think I read somewhere, though, that they are going to vamp it so that if you change your professions, you keep the skill level of the previous professions? Did I read that wrong?
So basically, if you are a 275/250 skinner/leatherworker, and you decide to drop them for... say... tailor/Enchanter, although you can't skin or LW anymore, you still have 275/250 in case you ever decide to pay the money to pick them back up. Personally, I am for as much realism as allowed and I think that's a great idea. If I learn how to brew beer and become a master brewer, then decide to walk away from it for a while and make candles, I don't necessarily forget everything about beer brewing... I just simply don't do it.
Saber
DivineConclave wrote:
Saber wrote:
felix292 wrote:
I prefer tibia to world of warcraft

just a note, its more helpful if you say why you think something, so theres something to talk about..


anyways, anyone know much about this being able to set the "level" of a dungeon in BC? that and/or if anyone is in the closed beta, is jewcrafting worth it?

-saber


hehe.. Heya Saber... long time no see...

"jewcrafting" is always worth it. Not sure about "jewelcrafting" though. Wink hehe..

Actually... I am still under debate about how good BC is going to be, but I did reserve a copy... of course. I am an addict, what else am I gonna do? I think Blizz really needed to put more thought into the changes and such if they are going to charge that much for an expansion, but nonetheless, I guess we will have to wait and see.
I think I read somewhere, though, that they are going to vamp it so that if you change your professions, you keep the skill level of the previous professions? Did I read that wrong?
So basically, if you are a 275/250 skinner/leatherworker, and you decide to drop them for... say... tailor/Enchanter, although you can't skin or LW anymore, you still have 275/250 in case you ever decide to pay the money to pick them back up. Personally, I am for as much realism as allowed and I think that's a great idea. If I learn how to brew beer and become a master brewer, then decide to walk away from it for a while and make candles, I don't necessarily forget everything about beer brewing... I just simply don't do it.


long time no see to you too.

Thanks for catching that, I never noticed and I don't think I would have with my poor spelling.

I haven't decided weather to get BC as I figure its mostly high level things, and due to I'm not to that point yet, it can wait.

I some what hope that your right about that skill level thing.
True it would bring more realism into the game, I always thought that it was odd that your character had to make a memory dump to learn something new, but on the other hand, it might break the market.

Think about it, the higher level alts(or mains) could just power level al the trade skills and when they get it up, then they would almost never need to trade with people. Maybe if they don't feel like hunting for something, but I think that it would effect the market enough that lower level people would be cut out of the deals. or making the 20% rich, richer and the 80% poorer(random numbers).

Do you think that something like this would happen, or what could blizzard do to limit it.

-saber
Lusiphur
Not sure where you saw about the professions, but it's not mentioned in the battleplan, in any of the future content notes nor on the TBC page.

It also not something I could see being implemented. Think about it, @60 you can powerlvl any profession in 6-12 hours to 300. With enough gold you could do that with all the professions (and free for gathering ones). So you have a character, that within a week has all the professions mastered. It is free to drop your professions, and a negligable amount to buy the ranks in new ones (the real expense is buying all the recipies). That character could take care of all the crafting for an entire guild. Only way it would be troublesome is if you have to buy the recipies, but with 300 skill you just buy the one you need at the time.

Something I really hope.

Good to see you back Conclave. We're gonna have to agree to disagree on the PVP server issue Smile Personally I couldn't go and level on a PVE server anymore, I would miss ganking and being ganked. But yes, I agree whole heartidly with the maturity on PVP server being irritatingly low, but as on every server you will get exceptions to this rule.

New Patch ROCKS. My shaman can now duel weild, warrior can now hold his own against kiting classes, my hunter just plan rocks and my rogue's white damage has increased dramatically (now instead of fighting mages for top spot on damage I'm dominating)

This will all change in the expac though, blizz has stated that @70 Mages will be the highest single target DPS, But this is balanced by their lack of agro management skills.
DivineConclave
Well.. the thing with the skills could be regulated much like respecs... each skill chage = more expensive. Though I do agree that it would be a benefit for the wealthy gold buyers... err... I mean... umm... people who play sooo much that they have more gold than one person can possibly gather.

I mean no offense by this, Lusiphur, but I wish people could see past DPS so that blizzard would implement things into the classes that SHOULD be implemented, making the classes powerful in their OWN way. For instance, mages SHOULd be the top DPS. Period. The problem is that everyone complains, "Ohh.. but XXX can beat me up so easily". And Blizzard says, "Here! Have some DPS." Unless XX is a Shaman, then blizzard laughs and says, "Here shaman, have some more DPS."
I hate that. They need to balance the classes without making them all the same class. Priest = healers. Warriors = tanks. Rogues = spies/stealth/DPS, Mages = CC/DPS, etc etc etc.

But no, rather than balance the classes as they should be, they try to 'balance' them for PvP, which basically means... everyone's the same damned class.
Lusiphur
No offense Smile Refreshing to see someone that doesn;t want their class to be no1 on Damage Meters and doesn't care about anything else. However from a raiding point of view DPS really does matter, 2 classes are only invited to raids for damage (Rogue/Hunter), as their limited crowd control isn't as reliable as say a mages.

This means that you need to see the DPS that there classes are bringing, in the new patch you can see this. That's a good thing IMO (esp as my mains are a Hunter and a Rogue Razz)

In regards to class roles, blizzard are trying to fix that now, 2.0.1 changed the druid talents in a way to make Feral druids viable, their damage, while obviously not as good as a rogue, is considerable and their healing abilities have always been great. Shamans revamp of the enchancement tree means that in theory they can DPS, but tbh they're unfortunatly still better as a healer/off tank. Paladins have always been great. Add into that the fact that in TBC there will be multiple sets for each class in each tier for you to pick from depending on your spec and I think hybrid roles could play a much more important part in the future.
matt9875
Ive been really thinking about getting this, it looks really interesting and fun and it has also been put down to like £14 and thats a bit more reasonable but ime really upset about the £8 a month thing, one of my friends plays it it looks incredibly fun, but all in all ime not getting it.
DivineConclave
Lusiphur wrote:
No offense Smile Refreshing to see someone that doesn;t want their class to be no1 on Damage Meters and doesn't care about anything else. However from a raiding point of view DPS really does matter, 2 classes are only invited to raids for damage (Rogue/Hunter), as their limited crowd control isn't as reliable as say a mages.


The ones who should be invited for DPS are togues, mages, and hunters (if specced for it).
Priests shouldn't need DPS, and in fact don't need DPS to be invited to raids. Priests aren't invited to raids for DPS. They're invited to heal.
DPS isn't an issue even in a raid situation with priests. The reason priests keep getting more DPS is because people want to roll a priest and expect high damage for some reason. My response to that is... roll a mage. Same thing, more damage, less responsibility.
But as for the rogue issue on DPS, I agree completely that DPS is an issue in raids and they should DPS... however, my point was that they should actually focus more on roguish skills. There are a lot of things they could incorporate into a rogue class that would help in raids... things that could fall under subtlety or assassination. Now... with all that said, I STILL think that rogues should be high DPS, but it shouldn't be the be all end all of the rogue.

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This means that you need to see the DPS that there classes are bringing, in the new patch you can see this. That's a good thing IMO (esp as my mains are a Hunter and a Rogue Razz)


I actually haven't played my 60 rogue in a long long time. I am working... slowly... on building up another one. I just get tired of the competition for DPS. That's actually why I don't allow DPS meters to be scrolled in my parties. If I am party leader, I make it a rule... wait until after the run. I don't want people trying to get that extra DPS out of their character at the expense of the party... and I don't want to see arguements over DPS. It really shouldn't matter.

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In regards to class roles, blizzard are trying to fix that now, 2.0.1 changed the druid talents in a way to make Feral druids viable, their damage, while obviously not as good as a rogue, is considerable and their healing abilities have always been great.


They actually need to dumb down the healing ability of druids a little. I am not saying drop it completely, but when a druid can heal competitively against a priest, there are some balance issues to consider. I don't think Blizzard realizes what each class is supposed to do. Let the priests be main healers. I still am not a believer that druids can outheal priests (unless the druid has +heal gear and the priest does not), but they are competitive enough to where most people don't care if they have a priest in their party. Many would rather have a druid since they can tank, DPS, and heal.

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Shamans revamp of the enchancement tree means that in theory they can DPS, but tbh they're unfortunatly still better as a healer/off tank.


Hmm... Don't know about this. I know some pretty powerful DPSing shaman who could 3-shot me when I was 60... 4-shot if I had my shield up. Shaman need to be beaten with the nerf bat... but ah well. I just try to stay out of their way.

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Paladins have always been great. Add into that the fact that in TBC there will be multiple sets for each class in each tier for you to pick from depending on your spec and I think hybrid roles could play a much more important part in the future.


I like the multiple sets theme. I would actually like to see a greater bonus in each talent tree for if you were to actually place ALL of your points into that tree, bypassing all others. I think that would be interesting since I don't really think anyone uses ALL their points in one tree.
SilverDawn
Hmmm, just as a note aside of general positive feel about the patch and all... European realms have been hit pretty hard after the patch, with a lot of server instability, crashes and other general rubbish. The situation lasted for a week now, and is getting a lot of people to leave. Some have even sent mail to various mass media publications. *sigh*
DivineConclave
SilverDawn wrote:
Hmmm, just as a note aside of general positive feel about the patch and all... European realms have been hit pretty hard after the patch, with a lot of server instability, crashes and other general rubbish. The situation lasted for a week now, and is getting a lot of people to leave. Some have even sent mail to various mass media publications. *sigh*


Interesting. I'll have to read up on this a bit while at work today. I know the American servers got hit, but no more drastically than any other patch, really... boat was logging people off (still does), other events are logging people off, some graphics clipping... the usual. Will have to read up on the European server thing. Thanks. Smile
SilverDawn
EU servers are actually still affected, even after eight days of instability. Luckily, they actually seem to have fixed the servers (And I have to say that I wonder whether it was the fact that people started getting this public, or whether my post on the US Tech Support with plea to send it on to higher management employees had anything to do with the swift repair of the servers on the same night, roughly around 5PM Eastern), however, at peak hours of playing, PvP is almost unplayable due to the huge server-side lag - seems like 5K latency to my untrained eye, to be honest.

If you're interested in this, simply take a look at the recent pages in EU Tech Support and Customer Support forums, they should still be there.
Egmond
I haven't noticed any problems after my server (Emereld Dream, EU) got online... Okay, i did have some more latency then usual (about 400), but that isn't such a problem
Saryon
I must say that I like new patch pretty much. It has nice new talents for everyone, and new content which I like too.
The new Looking For Group is pretty nice though ,although it's not much being used on my server, which I regret.
We're still using the lookingforgroup channel now, even now it isn't official anymore. So I just login, put myself tagged as Looking For ... and go into the lookingforgroup channel to see who is looking for what.
That way, I'll use both, and has the biggest chance of finding something.

I'm a warlock on Frostmane EU, and it's funny to see how Blizzard buffed Warlocks once again. I'm full Demonology at the moment, and nearly indestructible, if played correctly. Felguard, Soul Link, Master Demonologist, Demonic Knowledge, takes a lot of damage before I'm dead.
Aredon
Anyone know any sites for updated mods? (updated meaning 2.0.1, not BC)
Lusiphur
Curse Gaming and ui.worldofwar both have good lists of updated mods.

If you want I can hunt out and link specific mods that are updated and working properly, but I would need to know what it is you're looking for Smile
xj975
Aredon wrote:
Anyone know any sites for updated mods? (updated meaning 2.0.1, not BC)


As was pointed out curse gaming is a very good sight to goto for mods. However their sight is unpredicatble at times, sometimes youll end up on a low rez sight that makes navigation fairly tedious if you dont know what you are doing.

After the patch they got slammed and it was hard to get anything done on that sight for around a week.
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Well here is my thoughts on BC, I absolutely love the idea of smaller raid sizes, my friend and I were conversing on that subject a while ago, that mmo's in general need to steer further away from the large groups of people needed to accomplish anything mentaity.

It really breeds a segment of skilled gamers carrying unskilled. When in a 40 man raid there are opportunities to slack off and not do your best, because hey if you dont do it the next guy will. Hunters auto-shooting and going afk, people going on extended afk's, slacking on damage/healing/tanking.

Another negative thing is the perpetual farming of content to get loot...I dont know what system would be better than having a % drop rate on items, but I know that going into the same instance week after week for months on end to try to get the items you want is not acceptible and I can see a game who finds a better way stealing customers from WoW, assuming graphics and gameplay is upto par as well.
Aredon
Mainly looking for a functional form of All In One Inventory. Since it was "discontinued" I'm worried I might not be able to keep using it. Aside from that i need a working form of AceWardrobe mod. As it is now Acewardrobe is built on dependancies that are built on BC.... Without those two mods i'm pretty much on the verge of going insane.. I would realy like to find my trinketmenu too. I supose ultimately I can wait untill after BC.
Egmond
About mods: I've had a few of them, and some actually work fine, but most mods are full of bugs or make your game really slow and laggy. So, why would you use a mod for some not-very-important-things like a change of the bag layout?
SeanoRLY?
Im a big WoW fan. But not a big enough fan to pay for it unfortunetly Razz
I have had numerous lvl 60's.
Undead Rogues pwn you!
DivineConclave
Egmond wrote:
About mods: I've had a few of them, and some actually work fine, but most mods are full of bugs or make your game really slow and laggy. So, why would you use a mod for some not-very-important-things like a change of the bag layout?


I use RP mods because Blizzard, contrary to their statements, does not support RP.

I still need to update my mods. Haven't gotten around to it since the last patch, yet. I'll get there. I was using "Finkle's Installer" to update all my mods, but even it doesn't work after this patch. Sad Ah well...
Egmond
SeanoRLY? wrote:
Im a big WoW fan. But not a big enough fan to pay for it unfortunetly Razz
I have had numerous lvl 60's.
Undead Rogues pwn you!


Why Undead? Night Elves have much higher Agility! I think that's far more important then the Undead's Will of the Forsaken or Underwater breathing!
DivineConclave
Egmond wrote:
SeanoRLY? wrote:
Im a big WoW fan. But not a big enough fan to pay for it unfortunetly Razz
I have had numerous lvl 60's.
Undead Rogues pwn you!


Why Undead? Night Elves have much higher Agility! I think that's far more important then the Undead's Will of the Forsaken or Underwater breathing!


Cannibalize. Every rogue should have it.

LOL
Lusiphur
Egmond wrote:
SeanoRLY? wrote:
Im a big WoW fan. But not a big enough fan to pay for it unfortunetly Razz
I have had numerous lvl 60's.
Undead Rogues pwn you!


Why Undead? Night Elves have much higher Agility! I think that's far more important then the Undead's Will of the Forsaken or Underwater breathing!


The ability is nearly exactly the same at lvl 60 (or 70 by the end of the money) so it's not a big issue.

Cannabalize and Will of the Broken are, however, fantastic racial abilities.
Kitten Kong
Its true that the game does feel much more expensive that any other non MMORPG but you have to consider the fact that a normal $90 game (Australian price) will give you anywhere from 4-16 hours of play, its very rare that you will get more than that. Last time i checked my WoW account i had racked up 10 days and 12 hours, and that is just on one character, altogether i have probably spent more than double that.
arturas
ive been playing about 2 days and 16 hours...

and im only level 29

...night elf druid

but my mum pays for it
but i stil care about my mum and i would not play it if she didnt want to pay anymore
calicamper
Quote:
Why Undead? Night Elves have much higher Agility! I think that's far more important then the Undead's Will of the Forsaken or Underwater breathing!


Will of the Forsaken has saved my hide many times in PvP. A little extra agility can be made up for in buffs and the right equipment. But that's just my opinion. Twisted Evil


Any tips out there on builds for a 60 tauren hunter. I don't get to play him too much since my guild broke up and I don't run end game anymore. I like Marksman for the dps and group benefits but Beast Mastery looks like it could be much fun in PvP and solo work.
tr33t
And now there coming out with an expansion!!! its so cool!! I cant wait to be a blood elf!!! I got $270 for christmas and that I what im going to get!!!
Lusiphur
calicamper wrote:

Any tips out there on builds for a 60 tauren hunter. I don't get to play him too much since my guild broke up and I don't run end game anymore. I like Marksman for the dps and group benefits but Beast Mastery looks like it could be much fun in PvP and solo work.



Since the newest patch you really only have 2 viable choices when it comes to a hunter. Silencing Shot or The Beast Within.

Both have their advantages, strengths and weaknesses. TBW is, IMO, a anti-caster pvp build, when it's not on cooldown you will destroy any mage or warlock that tried to attack you. When it's on cooldown they will own you as your damage is severly gimped due to limited points in marksman. Against melee targets you'll find your pet is doing all the damage, with you constantly trying to maintain range long enough for your pet and shots to kill the target. For PvE this is not a viable build, your main advantage (immunity to CC) is completely wasted, and with your main source of damage being your pet I find you don't have enough control to make it worth it. Your pet will however destroy every non-elite in the game (and to be completely honest, every non-boss elite) with incredible ease, it will always hold agro and you will have no downtime when grinding, so many consider it a fair compromise.

Silencing shot. 41 points in marksman. My hunters current build. This ability is so good it's rediculous, 3 sec silence, 75% damage, instant speed and doesn't share cooldown. In pvp my usual opener is Aimed Shot (assuming they don't know I'm there of course), Silence, Auto, Multi, Arcane, Auto, Concussive. I've not seen a cloth wearing fag survive that yet. Leather is brings them down to about 10%. Mail easily 20 and plate 30. With lucky crits I've killed plate wearers in that attack routine before they can react though. For PvE/Raiding I've found it the best build so far. Trueshot aura gives a good DPS Party buff, you're not reliant on a pet and your damage output is great.

I've played with both builds and TBH I've found Marksman to be the most fun. With full BM you're really just sitting back while your pet kills everything, while with Marksman you're doing the damage, you're getting the big crits, which to me just feels better.

End of day, both are good and respeccing is cheap if you change your mind Smile
Notigam
World of warcraft is the best mmorpg ever imo, and i've played a lot of them
DivineConclave
So I am working my warlock up the ranks. Man. Ouch. Can we say uber-powerful? And that's not even affliction. That's demonology. Does Blizzard read these forums? no? Ok then.... "Nerf locks!" I can take down mobs 4 levels higher than me with little discomfort.... except murlocs. We don't talk about them.
Anyone have any warlock concepts they'd like to share? I am basically speccing to be a second tank. My level 21 blueberry was out-tanking a level 24 warrior today. Trying to go Stam stam stam for the pets. And intellect as secondary... mirroring them after my own build. Upper level locks... bad idea or good idea?
Lusiphur
You have the right idea going with Sta as your primary stat. With the ability to convert health into mana your sta effectivly equals your int.

To be honest I've not played a warlock very much (re beyond 20. Just wanted a summoner for guild/friends). But from warlocks I know I can say that Demonology (esp with the new pet) is the way to go for lvling, solo grinding/questing and it also holds its own in PvP, for pure PvP (although if I remember correctly you play on a pve server) affliction owns every day of the week, and then for a PvE damage build it's the one that boosts your shadow damage (tree with Shadowfall, can't remember it)

Best pet is to hit the warlock forums, you can find some good posts in amongst the whine threads.

And yea, we'll not mention the murlocs...
Sukozu
Priest is pretty fun class, discipline spec, and you can heal in battlegrounds like no other, the survivability since patch 2.0 is awesome!
DivineConclave
Lusiphur wrote:
You have the right idea going with Sta as your primary stat. With the ability to convert health into mana your sta effectivly equals your int.

To be honest I've not played a warlock very much (re beyond 20. Just wanted a summoner for guild/friends). But from warlocks I know I can say that Demonology (esp with the new pet) is the way to go for lvling, solo grinding/questing and it also holds its own in PvP, for pure PvP (although if I remember correctly you play on a pve server) affliction owns every day of the week, and then for a PvE damage build it's the one that boosts your shadow damage (tree with Shadowfall, can't remember it)

Best pet is to hit the warlock forums, you can find some good posts in amongst the whine threads.

And yea, we'll not mention the murlocs...


I try to stay off any and all WoW forums. Even the Suggestion forums are full of nothing but trolling @$$wipes.

Thank you, though, for the input. Good to know I am doing SOMETHING right with the lock. hehe...
DivineConclave
Sukozu wrote:
Priest is pretty fun class, discipline spec, and you can heal in battlegrounds like no other, the survivability since patch 2.0 is awesome!


My main is Holy Priest and they have actually given Holy spec an *gasp* opportunity to heal. The new holy talents are excellent! I have enough discipline for imp shield and imp Fort, the rest is all holy. Lovin it.
karumpa
I beta-tested it. I like the game itself but I do not believe in paying for a game that I have already bought. Also, the fighting seems flawed and pointless. The game is a huge time waster...
apexcaliber
Well, I could understand a not paying for a game that has very little updates and small patches every so often. But Blizzard is constantly adding new cotent and features.
corblo
These guys are great:

Quote:
We here at NADAsoft.ath.cx are very proud to present our new private wow server, our MaNGOS Test Server, available free to the world. This server has 2 realms, a BlizzLike [exactly like the realy wow] and a Funserver [designed for gamers who have already owned the official wow realms. This realm hosts a faster, action-packed blizzlike game with higher lvl mobs and custom items].

http://nadasoft.ath.cx/wow/stats/index.php
Egmond
Isn't this illegal? They do as if it's the official World of Warcraft site, and let players play withoud any money for Blizzard. I'm sure Blizzard will try to get sites like those down as soon as possible...


Anyway, it does sound pretty cool, free and reliable WoW... does anoyone know if this actually works fine?
DivineConclave
Egmond wrote:
Isn't this illegal? They do as if it's the official World of Warcraft site, and let players play withoud any money for Blizzard. I'm sure Blizzard will try to get sites like those down as soon as possible...


Anyway, it does sound pretty cool, free and reliable WoW... does anoyone know if this actually works fine?


Private servers are not illegal unless they charge money for you to play.
Pyr0kz1d3
It is really expensive.. Especially if the game is aimed at children..
Egmond
DivineConclave wrote:
Egmond wrote:
Isn't this illegal? They do as if it's the official World of Warcraft site, and let players play withoud any money for Blizzard. I'm sure Blizzard will try to get sites like those down as soon as possible...


Anyway, it does sound pretty cool, free and reliable WoW... does anoyone know if this actually works fine?


Private servers are not illegal unless they charge money for you to play.


Even if the private servers ask money, they'll probably not give it to Blizzard... Which means Blizzard won't like it and they write a whole story of Terms and so, making it illegal...

And i can't immagine anyone would create a server to charge people to fund Blizzard :p
DivineConclave
Egmond wrote:
DivineConclave wrote:
Egmond wrote:
Isn't this illegal? They do as if it's the official World of Warcraft site, and let players play withoud any money for Blizzard. I'm sure Blizzard will try to get sites like those down as soon as possible...


Anyway, it does sound pretty cool, free and reliable WoW... does anoyone know if this actually works fine?


Private servers are not illegal unless they charge money for you to play.


Even if the private servers ask money, they'll probably not give it to Blizzard... Which means Blizzard won't like it and they write a whole story of Terms and so, making it illegal...

And i can't immagine anyone would create a server to charge people to fund Blizzard :p



Hence.. "...unless they ask for money."
apexcaliber
But many of these servers take and edit files created by Blizzard right? Wouldnt that fall under questionable activities at least? or is it considered the same as game improvements (mods)?

I suppose even if it was illegal Blizz wouldnt do much about it, seeing that they have so much to worry about with the real servers.
Egmond
I think for them, money is higher priority then proper servers. preconception?

Well, maybe they don't put efforts to stop it because these players won't pay anyway. But at least they could get some money off the servers?
xxilim
Blizzard has now officially reached it's milestone of 8million subscribed players! grats to them i must say last i heard it was 3million.

Idealy each subscriber pays $20USD per month, that's like $160,000,000 a month... given that they have all paid the monthly fee... it's not a snow blizzard! it's a cash blizzard, LAWL!

EDIT: in reference to the questions about the private servers, a majority of the latest emulators are running under a GPL licence, one emulator for example states that "It's an educational project, to help developers get familiar with large scale C++ and C# development projects."

This particular emulator's source is openly available, and at the users discretion it may be compiled and used as a privater server.
DivineConclave
Yep. I went to Gamestop™ and got my IV of WoW. Well, paid it off. BUrning Crusades. And I'll be there at midnight, night of the 15th to pick it up... but... I have no problem. I'm not addicted. I can quit whenever I want! Why don't you all just leave me alone?

Razz

I kinda wanted to get a 60 of every class before the expansion. Oh well. hehe... Guess I'll just have to work on 70. I don't think I am going to roll a Blood Elf or a Dranei right away though. Everyone under the sun is going to have one.
DivineConclave
Completely off any previous toic, really:

TO the RPers or those interested in RP:

You know what I hate? Shallow story-lines. You know... the story-lines people create because they're bored and can't think of any other story line to create. Example:
This has happened to me three times with the guild I run. Someone wants to RP a story. Instead of thinking of an in-depth story-line, they decide to splinter from the guild and take people with them to 'oppose the guild'. This typically consists of the same thing... always. Someone rolls a warlock, warlock comes into our meetings wanting to kill me, threatens or poaches members by telling them to roll an alt or something of the sort or even just come on over... etc. Then they do things that drastically alters my story-line or the story of the guild.
Typically, not a big deal. But the RP in WoW is strictly text-based. Those of you who are veteran RPers know this, others may not... in a text-based RP world, if you are going to do something that is going to drastically alter someone else's storyline, you talk with them about it first. It's common courtesy. Don't FORCE others into your storyline. It isn't fair to them, it isn't fun for them, and usually, the RP that comes out of it is less than prime... more often than not, it's crappy RP because the party who created it didn't think of a good story-line, and the party forced into it doesn't really care about the story-line.

Anyway... there's my 2¢.
Egmond
Are RolePlaying servers actually that serious about proper roleplaying?

Anyway, the Burning Crusade:
Suppose most of you already have it (gonna buy tomorrow), as a real wow player you just don't have a choice :S
What do you think of it? I've heard all outland is now unplayable because of all the lag and crowd (respawn rates had to be improved), and ofcourse the Drenai/Blood elf areas as well. How bad is it? And do you have this on mornings as well?
Lusiphur
There are real lag issues, and trying to do collection quests is a pain due to the amount of competition for resources/kills.

The place is really pretty though, new mobs hit hard, new skills/talents are nice and the new items are ****** sick. No joke, we're talking lvl 61 greens better than non-tiered lvl 60 blues.

IU have a lvl 60 chest piece, Mail armour. +21 Agi, +36 Sta, +33 Attack power. WTF? That's insane Smile

Once more people hit 63/64 the starting areas will become a lot more playable which is a good thing.

Only bad point for me is my carebear server has a truce atm, not stopping me killing anything that moves though.
Kitten Kong
Yeah its real funny, all the horde and alliance questing together in outland becuase they are too eager to get their hands on new gear and level up. Perfect time to do some pvping Smile
Egmond
This morning i finally reached 58, so i immediately went to the outlands.

On Emerald Dream, even at about 11 AM, it was kinda full, no lag problems luckily, just a fun crowd. Because the spawnrates are boosted, there aren't any big spawn-waiting problems.

And lusi- I agree, the quest rewards are great, especially for a level 58 ^^
DivineConclave
I have got to say... the outlands bored the crap out of me. I am having more fun with my new BE and Draen. Outlands is nothing but a larger BG.

Yes. Us RPers are that serious, but only because we have nowhere to go. There are so few RP servers and they all get infiltrated by immature little [deleted expletive]s who have nothing better to do.
apexcaliber
I'm on an RP server (the first one to be creatred actually). It seems that there is more RP on Hordeside than Alliance. Either way it seems to be happening more in guild than outside.

We are listed as full and free transfers are currently available, pending a realm split. The starting areas were laggy the first couple of nights but arent too bad now. It's a real pain having to wait in line to do quests at times.
DivineConclave
apexcaliber wrote:
I'm on an RP server (the first one to be creatred actually). It seems that there is more RP on Hordeside than Alliance. Either way it seems to be happening more in guild than outside.

We are listed as full and free transfers are currently available, pending a realm split. The starting areas were laggy the first couple of nights but arent too bad now. It's a real pain having to wait in line to do quests at times.


It was actually the opposite on Maesltrom... NO RP hordeside, and little alliance. We are now on BWR which has a bit more hordeside than alliance, but we're trying to lift the alliance quota a bit. Our server is full too, offering free transfers away.. HOPEFULLY, the morons who come there just to be jackasses will be the ones to transfer out, but I doubt it. The ones who are actually fun to play with will leave because they're sick of the former. *sigh* C'est la vie.
Seiji
I tried the trial and found the game really fun. I quit after playing for one day. If I would have played any longer I would have got addicted to another MMORPG.
Vabiant
Yeah I played Final Fantasy XI for about 4 years, finally kicked the habbit 2 months ago. I have been playing World of Warcraft since it has been released, but never got into it hardcore like I did FFXI (only got lvl 42 dwarf hunter).

With the release of the new expansion, The Burning Crusade, and finally kicking my FFXI habit, I think I will finally get into it. Debating whether to be an Undead Warlock, Blood Elf Mage/Paladin/Hunter, or a Troll Shaman. Have a 16 Troll Shaman, 10Undead Warlock, 10 Blood Elf Mage/Paladin/Hunter atm. All are fun and interesting classes. Really want to get to 70 for the flying mounts, they seem pretty awesome. Also looking to get into the endgame conent.

As for the point on private servers. I set one up back in the summer. Had a lan party with my brother and a few friends and we had a ton of fun, but it got old after about a week or so. And yeah, as long as you don't charge people for it, its completely legal as long as you bought the game. The $15/month subscription Blizz charges is for operating fees and them keeping the game and servers in working order.

-Vab
outamoney
Phew, wow, WoW
Been sober for 8 months now
I played from beta till about 1.8. Had fun getting 2 hunters to 60. Used to raid and bg but it got old. I dont have that great a computer, and eventually large scale rading and bging got annoying at the fps my comp put out. I might play again if I get a new computer. Good while it lasted
upestudios
Lv 70 Reached ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gullerbone, a 24-year-old French WoW player, reached level 70 just a few days after it came out
developers of Blizzard gonna get really mad now becuase they were talking about how long it would take to get to lv 70
i think it was ment to take the smae amount of time it would to talk to to from lv 1 to lv 60 and thats a long time man
geeeee i really cnt belive people would wast there time like this go out and go pick up a chick in that time
alwell they did kinda cheat to get there what i heard there was another person with him and they went out killing trolls etc etc and they mad sure that Gullerbone was the person that killed him last to get all the points
thats kinda bs if u ask me but alwell good work for him Razz
Keydar
This really is a great game...
Egmond
upestudios wrote:
Lv 70 Reached ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gullerbone, a 24-year-old French WoW player, reached level 70 just a few days after it came out
developers of Blizzard gonna get really mad now becuase they were talking about how long it would take to get to lv 70
i think it was ment to take the smae amount of time it would to talk to to from lv 1 to lv 60 and thats a long time man
geeeee i really cnt belive people would wast there time like this go out and go pick up a chick in that time
alwell they did kinda cheat to get there what i heard there was another person with him and they went out killing trolls etc etc and they mad sure that Gullerbone was the person that killed him last to get all the points
thats kinda bs if u ask me but alwell good work for him Razz


If you have 8.5 million players, it's no wonder there are some really addicted no-lifers (or worse: French :p) between them. And well, it was to expect that some players would make plans with their guilds to reach 70 as fast as possible. And as it seems, there are already some Draenei/Blood elves in level 70... In less then 2 weeks!
Requell
Personally I dont think blizz really cares about emulated servers.. infact I dont think that its even agansed the EULA.

Anyway level 70 mage on Trollbane!

I use frihost to host my guild website. If anyones looking for a top end guild Word is recruting dedicated 2 preists and 1 warlock.
Seiji
Is WoW easy or difficult? I'm thinking about playing but I find MMORPG"s difficult. Like other MMORPGS I can't seem to grasp PvP mode and I always end up getting defeated by players lower levels than me.
DivineConclave
upestudios wrote:
Lv 70 Reached ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gullerbone, a 24-year-old French WoW player, reached level 70 just a few days after it came out
developers of Blizzard gonna get really mad now becuase they were talking about how long it would take to get to lv 70
i think it was ment to take the smae amount of time it would to talk to to from lv 1 to lv 60 and thats a long time man
geeeee i really cnt belive people would wast there time like this go out and go pick up a chick in that time
alwell they did kinda cheat to get there what i heard there was another person with him and they went out killing trolls etc etc and they mad sure that Gullerbone was the person that killed him last to get all the points
thats kinda bs if u ask me but alwell good work for him Razz


I have to agree. I am loving the new races, but I have to say that overall, I am really let down by the BC expansion. The Dark Portal sucks... just another proof that Blizzard is catering to the PvPers. There is no new mid-level content, which is a let-down. It would have been nice to have some new content for all levels so we don't have to do the same thing over and over and over and over. I could be wrong on this, but weren't they supposed to open the Tower of Medivh also? The more I play BC, the more let down I am by it.
DivineConclave
Seiji wrote:
Is WoW easy or difficult? I'm thinking about playing but I find MMORPG"s difficult. Like other MMORPGS I can't seem to grasp PvP mode and I always end up getting defeated by players lower levels than me.


there is no PvP in WoW. There's only "ganker vs. gankee." Wink
guugu
DivineConclave wrote:
Seiji wrote:
Is WoW easy or difficult? I'm thinking about playing but I find MMORPG"s difficult. Like other MMORPGS I can't seem to grasp PvP mode and I always end up getting defeated by players lower levels than me.


there is no PvP in WoW. There's only "ganker vs. gankee." Wink


hate ganker bastards... seems they are only 100 kg weight bored kids without life, just annoying to other ppl who are trying to make quests ;D
Egmond
@ Guugu: No, it isn't hard at all (the paladin is even BORING!), and if you choose a non-pvp realm, you have all time to take up the game and so.

Quote:
have to agree. I am loving the new races, but I have to say that overall, I am really let down by the BC expansion. The Dark Portal sucks... just another proof that Blizzard is catering to the PvPers. There is no new mid-level content, which is a let-down. It would have been nice to have some new content for all levels so we don't have to do the same thing over and over and over and over. I could be wrong on this, but weren't they supposed to open the Tower of Medivh also? The more I play BC, the more let down I am by it.


Actually, that was my initial thought of teh buring crusade. They had no new gameplay (=class), just one new profession, and just some more of the same for high level characters.
But to be honest, i kind of changed tht opinion when i played it. The new worlds are great, the instances really welcome, and maybe they'll add some other classes at another time.


Anyway, what new classes do we actually need? There's nothing to do but clone an old class, and give the spells some other names Sad
web-geek
Try thinking about the Orignal Warcraft-Warcraft III: TFT

what possible classes have blizz not put in WoW yet. What class abilites have they not implemented yet?

also think about taking a look at all the Diablos as well =D there are still meny things that blizz can think up of to create a new class as well... I havent seen a "necromancer" type class yet... maybe it would have some issues that would need to be worked out but it could be possible.

that is just one type of idea that could happen.
gsaygil
great game i ve private server 1.12 and i m workin on openin bc Smile
moonblade
Seiji wrote:
Is WoW easy or difficult? I'm thinking about playing but I find MMORPG"s difficult. Like other MMORPGS I can't seem to grasp PvP mode and I always end up getting defeated by players lower levels than me.


"Normal" and RP servers are made to be so that you can only enter PvP more or less of your own, by turning on your PvP status. Granted, you can get "tagged" if you heal a fellow member of your faction that's already in PvP mode, but generally that wears off in 5 minutes, and it's not like everyone's waiting to gank you anyway.

As for whether WoW is hard or easy... It's made to be as hard or as easy as you like it to be. You can play pretty casually, enjoy the scenery and do things at your rate, or go heavy on instances for "phat llewt", or turn to PvP for similar-style rewards.
cocobirdi
i am Helliane, currently lvl 48 human paladin on Norgannon, sometimes Hibiku, currently 13 troll mage on Norgannon, as well as numerous alts. i saw someone here mention that the paladin is BORING?

i love my paladin. with every level i love her more and more. i've never enjoyed my hunter or my warlock or my warrior as much as i've enjoyed playing my paladin. my horde mage has been tremendous fun, but they can't take a hit! i can top both damage done and healing done in the same bg Smile can't beat that Razz
moonblade
cocobirdi wrote:
i am Helliane, currently lvl 48 human paladin on Norgannon, sometimes Hibiku, currently 13 troll mage on Norgannon, as well as numerous alts. i saw someone here mention that the paladin is BORING?

i love my paladin. with every level i love her more and more. i've never enjoyed my hunter or my warlock or my warrior as much as i've enjoyed playing my paladin. my horde mage has been tremendous fun, but they can't take a hit! i can top both damage done and healing done in the same bg Smile can't beat that Razz


My main is a paladin, and it's always amused me to hear people complain about the class. It has the capabilities to do tremendous damage when played right, not to mention the whole thing about Holy build potentially pulling off most of the heals for free, making it perfect for lasting fights... As well as the re-worked Protection build that works at least as well as a warrior would, if not better... Still, Ret paladins are the most exciting build of the paladins so far, and played right, will be the love of friends and hate and envy of foes.
Lusiphur
Paladins have a real problem with solo play at low lvls, their kill speed is the slowest out of any class and that makes it dull for a lot of people.

On top of that you will be expected to be a healer or off tank for instances raids as soon as you hit 40. With most people wanting to DPS to lvl quicker this again makes it dull for people that don't enjoy healing and/or tanking.

This role continued at 60 and now continues at 70. As a self healing off tank you are fantastic for add management. Your blessings (which you will be required to spec into) are a fantastic addition (and as a current horde raider it makes things so much smoother) and while you are not as good at group healing as druids or (obviously) priests you can do a good job when giving a single target.

The reason people see Paladins as boring is because they're not getting to play them the way they wanted to if they want to progress into end game raiding. Which is a shame.

But hey, if you want to DPS play a DPS class Razz
moonblade
Nah, paladins are a lovely DPS class, as long as you spec and gear properly. Low levels, most definitely, DPS is low, up to level 24 or so... However, that isn't necessarily the case either - while playing my second (non-twink) paladin and knowing what to do, I had some really lovely damage output in pre-20ies. Slow two-handers with Seal of the Crusader is quite lovely at levels before getting Seal of Command.

Now, the new paladins are quite fascinating. A Ret-build paladin can easily outdamage a rogue and without that much effort gets to the "Heavy DPS" league. A large problem there can be the fact that your aggro might be too much for warrior to handle, thus the good old "DPS slowly" rule.
mokneyman
Wow is good but it seriosuly takes a lo of your life up just playing the game. After awhile as well when you have player a lot of characters it gets kinda boring. The only major problem is the fact that you have to pay every month [unlike guildwars] but they make this up with tons of updates
charysteos
hey everyone, this is my first post on frihost (for a website Smile)

i have bought wow wednesday and now i'm lvl 8 (druid - night elf)

where can i buy a pet plz??

grtz
moonblade
Depends what pet you mean. Combat pets are only available for hunters. Non-combat pets closest to your starter zone will be right at the enterance of Darnassus, next to an Ancient (giant tree thingie). The Night Elf will be selling owls.
schmidi
How long do you think will World of Warcraft played?

The next addon(s) are coming, so the game will remaining for a long time.
charysteos
moonblade wrote:
Depends what pet you mean. Combat pets are only available for hunters. Non-combat pets closest to your starter zone will be right at the enterance of Darnassus, next to an Ancient (giant tree thingie). The Night Elf will be selling owls.


oke thnx for the info, i will check it out
moonblade
schmidi wrote:
How long do you think will World of Warcraft played?

The next addon(s) are coming, so the game will remaining for a long time.


Hard to say, I don't see an end in sight for another two years at least. Regular lifespan of an MMO is around 4-5 years, then the popularity dwindles due to the outdated graphics and so forth. If they will update the graphics, the game might live longer, but they might more likely make Diablo 3 or something of the sort instead.
gerontius
i don't play it... ever will. it's way too addictive Smile Smile Smile
Lusiphur
moonblade wrote:
Nah, paladins are a lovely DPS class, as long as you spec and gear properly. Low levels, most definitely, DPS is low, up to level 24 or so... However, that isn't necessarily the case either - while playing my second (non-twink) paladin and knowing what to do, I had some really lovely damage output in pre-20ies. Slow two-handers with Seal of the Crusader is quite lovely at levels before getting Seal of Command.

Now, the new paladins are quite fascinating. A Ret-build paladin can easily outdamage a rogue and without that much effort gets to the "Heavy DPS" league. A large problem there can be the fact that your aggro might be too much for warrior to handle, thus the good old "DPS slowly" rule.


Can you give numbers and example of Paladins out damanging a Rogue in a nonagro controlled environment? I'm using non-agro control as Rogues are the highest single target agro controlled DPS in the game and it would be an unfair environment.

I honestly can't see it. Having raided (and pvped) with Paladins I can honestly say that I have never seen one appear on the top10 on Damage Meters in ANY environment (and we're talking about Pala's in Teir 2 with Halberds of Smiting and a Hand of Rag in 1 case). Granted a raid/party environment might not be the best place to compare due to the fact that a Pala will never have a dps role in there.

At the moment Druid is the only hybrid class that has a damage output near to Rogues (and even druids will admit that Rogues have better DPS then them), I've never seen a Paladin claim it, which is why I'm asking Smile
moonblade
Hmm, my best examples are basically, pre-BC UBRS runs where my Ret non-raid paladin was -always- in Top 3 damage-dealers, no matter the class composition - mages, 'locks, rogues, hunters - whether normal, superior or epic-geared, of pretty much any tier but 2.5, since that's the one that goes for damage instead of teamwork... That was the time my char didn't yet have his T0/T1 PvP sets, even. Raid paladins are much worse at damage dealing as their build is generally biased towards something else than damage, thus making their output rather damn low. Currently, I have a bit trouble keeping up with well-geared L70 rogues and, indeed, Feral druids. Their damage output in appropriate gear and build is crazy. Must make a druid next.

But anyway... Back to paladins. Reason that T2 raid paladin with Hand of Rag will not rock is that first, his build is wrong, second, the gear is wrong (the +holy damage does not at -all- give the rest of the candy a ret-build/gear paladin will have, like BWD and Crit, and generally is outweighted by the latter in pre-BC gear), and, if I recall correctly, Hand of Rag is a bit too fast, though I'm not at all sure about its speed factor right now. Best Ret weapons before BC were things like Ashkandi; Destroyer of Worlds and other weapons of 3.50+ speed. Pighammer from AV is a tremendously useful thing for causing hurt, too. Slower weapons cause procs to occur more often, and higher weapon damage (which will be modified by AP, I think) alone cause a great deal of pain; furthermore, Judgements derive crit rates from Melee counters, unless I'm mistaken, and the more often you crit, the more often Vengeance (+15% all damage originally, +10% damage currently) would proc. Now, at L70, with a Crit Ret build/gear and Thunder you have a potential for immense damage normally and tremendous damage with cooldowns from Avenging Wrath and the Whatever's Breadth, the item from Hellfire.

The only problem here is the fact that your mana pool will be a bit low, which can sometimes be a problem... But, I prefer to hurt things quick and make them go away rather than marvel at my endless mana supply and spend a half an hour killing something. *grin*
spykE
I'm also a bit addicted to World of Warcraft right now. I've been playing for a months, then quitted for a month or two and just tried a Private Server, but I wasn't really satisfied. Those private servers are running on an old beta version of World of Warcraft and most of those classes are unplayable compared to the real stuff, I can't play on a private server for a few hours, plus it laggs too much.

Now I started playing again and I'm doing some twinking, so I won't get that much addicted. Gonna use Frihost as our Guild forum Wink.
heady233
picsite wrote:
world of warcraft seems like an amazing game but i cant afford to keep paying every month...by the way how much does it cost for you every month?
I know this topic is like incredibly old, but I just wanted to mention this. My Uncle pays the monthly fees for me so I don't have worries. Plus, now that I have the Burning Crusade Expansion Pack I'm a Blood Elf. Also, now that my friend in New York plays I'm always calling him via Skype and talking to him during game play. FOR DA HORDE! (and the Undermine Realm!) Very Happy
Lusiphur
Hand of Rag is a 3.7 speed, with a top dam of 37x (might be 2 or 3 can't remeber exactly).

Anyway Smile Nice post, good to see someone explaining their thoughts and reasons, so used to the wow forums where the reply would have been "lolnub, l2p Pala DPS = ROX!eleven"

I'll be honest when I say that I still can't see how a Paladin can get that high a damage output, I've pvped against Paladins and not been impressed with the hits they're getting against me. Obviously I'm missing something.

Only one thing for it, I'm gonna borrow my mates paladin and test it for myself Smile

If in non-purple they can compete with the big hitters of the game (rogues and mages) then I'll need to rethink my views on them.

Thanks again for answering Smile
moonblade
Ah, indeed, Hand of Rag is 3.7 - http://www.thottbot.com/?i=40103. Rather an impressive toy, now that I look at it again, and definitely a great damage item, I'd say, with a Crusader or possibly an Agi enchant it could grow rather damn wicked, too. Problem is, though, it doesn't, in the end, have that an impressive physical/magic damage or crit modifiers, and the specials are a proc and an "on being hit", which, well, are slightly unimpressive.

Again, being a crit-build myself (As I said earlier, a successful crit nowadays is a +10% damage for next 3 or 4 swings, which, too, should allow you another crit, and so on), in the expansion, I found the following things useful.

Original - with this I entered the Outland and happily quested to L66: http://www.thottbot.com/?i=40529. Technically, it's replaceable by a drop from Ramparts, http://thottbot.com/?i=55737, but I never got lucky on that, and decided it's faster to just level up and get a Halaani Claymore, which is a weapon that, according to the DPS-loving paladins, beats Ashkandi.

Halaani Claymore costs less than 10 gold, is practically effortless to get and is a bloody great item that will last until L70 weaponsmithing - or if you get one of them 90 DPS weapons from instancing. Here's what the weapon's like - http://www.thottbot.com/?i=56310

Now, my current weapon is Thunder, but as I learned, having a Thunder doesn't automatically mean that your DPS is instantly awesome and you beat others hands down. By far, that is not the case. As a trip to Botanica showed, a paladin with a Thunder and exact same build, and nearly exact same gear can lose to a paladin with a Halaani Claymore (I was the one with the Claymore). Both used as much AoE and I think I actually used my cooldown trinkets and AW less. At the end, the damage difference was at nearly 2%, which shows that even with similar gear, outcomes vary greatly.

P.S: If you are a blacksmith, Thunder is a highly recommended paladin DPS item: http://www.thottbot.com/?i=54275


Anyways, sorry for the rant, just trying to clarify the matter a bit. And most welcome, though mind you, I won't tell you my closest secrets, of course!
slayer1927
My friends play i maked them a website and forum for there clan enchanting storm
BCP88
I want to start playing world of warcraft. But shall I buy the original and BC at one time or can I only use the BC expension when I'm high leveled in the original game?
slayer1927
get it when you have the money because the game cost a lot so you will need to getit when you have the money then work hard for the levels its 15 a month and you can buy stuff with real money i think and he game so for a year you ar etalking about 200 - 300 dollars
moonblade
Hold on, hold on. Items for real money? That's gold-buying and it's technically forbidden by Blizzard and absolutely disliked by majority of players... The total sum for WoW per year is around $120, nothing really catastrophic, either (at least with prepaid cards it is like that)...

As for the question of BC, if you can afford it (And you should, the price of original WoW is at $15 or so right now, I think), buy it. It adds two new races and a lot of areas for low levels of these new races to play. And they're awesome areas, too.
BCP88
Thnx for the information. I bought them both. I'm installing now ... I hope I will have a lot of fun.
moonblade
Enjoy, and try not to get addicted! Smile

Hmm, as for other matters, anyone here with a huge DPS Feral druid? I was wondering a few things about how in the world they cause so much damage with.
Ucbet
any FriHost WoWers wanna play in free server together and make a guild ? so we can raid instances etc Laughing Laughing
battousai
aaah....remember the good old diablo days......playing on the network.....then lineage hit another top-notch Mmorpg wich i regret not playing with some friends even now, dropped it for world of warcraft wich imo could need some work on the pvp side.....for example de guild wars favors imo should get implemented^^....anyway 70 huntard on kor'gal here:P....and to those who think hunter is a sucky class......ur right:))
Lusiphur
Hunter a sucky class?

God I hope that was sarcasm Razz
charysteos
Ucbet wrote:
any FriHost WoWers wanna play in free server together and make a guild ? so we can raid instances etc Laughing Laughing


sounds great Very Happy
moonblade
Hmm, hunters are not really a sucky class, depends a bit on the build, gear and pet, though. Sure, hunters aren't as uber as, say, feral druids at the moment, but still.
Artelis
moonblade wrote:
Hmm, hunters are not really a sucky class, depends a bit on the build, gear and pet, though. Sure, hunters aren't as uber as, say, feral druids at the moment, but still.


WHAAA?!?! Hunters are by far the best PVE class in the game. I've watched a level 56 hunter kite around a 63 elite long enough to solo-kill it. The things they can do are ridiculous.
Lusiphur
Artelis wrote:
moonblade wrote:
Hmm, hunters are not really a sucky class, depends a bit on the build, gear and pet, though. Sure, hunters aren't as uber as, say, feral druids at the moment, but still.


WHAAA?!?! Hunters are by far the best PVE class in the game. I've watched a level 56 hunter kite around a 63 elite long enough to solo-kill it. The things they can do are ridiculous.


Common tactic on hunters, I've had to do it a few times to finish quests. Problems occur when the elite is immune to CC, no slowing traps or concussive shot = dead hunter.

Check youtube, there is a video of a hunter solo'ing Dire Maul north. Is worth watching Smile
moonblade
We had a hunter kite Omen while casters restored mana *grin* Fun stuff. However, kiting doesn't always work, pets don't always last, and in PvP, kiting anything that can stun/slow/polymorph the hunter ends up in a hunter corpse by default... Thus no uberness there at all.

While on the subject of hunters and EZ mode, though, hunters are the number one bot farmer class. Had fun watching a broken bot two nights ago, though, poor thing kept running into a wall.
Artelis
haha, bots make me laugh. Poor suckers who sign up for powerleveling and get banned from botting.
Egmond
Curious Blizzard doesn't do anything against bots, as far as i know... I was in a guild with a mage that was 24 hours a day in DM, he didn't answer any chat, and so on.
I really see the point of farming gold -- in eastern europe, you can earn abou 10 times the average lones, with just running a computer application
moonblade
Egmond wrote:
Curious Blizzard doesn't do anything against bots, as far as i know... I was in a guild with a mage that was 24 hours a day in DM, he didn't answer any chat, and so on.


Well, as far as I know, there's a trial in court right now with Blizz against a gold-selling company. I'm not certain of the info, however, just something a guildie said a week or so ago.

As for doing something... Well, why didn't your guild kick out an obvious bot? The people need to take a stand against the bots as well, only then there will be results. Currently, our guild plans to make a couple-hour-long attack on the bot farmlands, killing all their mobs before they have a chance to tag them. Feel welcome to borrow the idea and do the same.

Favourite botting zones, so you know:
1) Badlands, dragon area
2) Tanaris, elite trolls near Zul'Farrak
3) Azshara (sp?), demons in the north
4) Felwood, demons all over the place

By killing the mobs for an hour or two with a few friends at L70, you make a few dozen gold coins, lots of drops, potentially even epics for your twinked alts, and, furthermore, you'll be dropping down the incomes of the bloody farmers.
Egmond
Haha, thanks for the tips ^^ Shame it doesn't work in instances Sad

Anyway, after waiting a few weaks to be sure it was a bot, we did contact a GM about it. And of course he was kicked out of the guild

--- Edit: Check all those gold ads under here. How hard can it be to track such a company? And how popular must they be, if it can be that many, and they all have the money to advertise ?
moonblade
Well, it's actually a good question. There's over 8 million WoW players as far as I know, and the number likely rose somewhat with Burning Crusade. I suppose that at least 10% of these people use powerlevelling ang gold purchases. To be honest, sometimes I contemplate buying some as well instead of spending hours and days on farming - if you are a working man, and would be capable of doing overtime at your job, calculate how much money you would be making in the time you spent farming some non-existant gold. It's quite insane. On the other hand, it's unfair and straightforwardly risky, if not even potentially illegal, if Blizzard manages to win that court case, to buy such services. *shrug*

Anyway, another idea that came up when I was discussing the anti-bot measures with a friend was throwing leather balls at the bots til their inventory goes full. Should be amusing.
outlinefilms
I don't like paying montly for a game.There's free games better than this ! But it still a good game to play when you have nothing to dfo and you have time to lose.
Egmond
Initially i thought excactely the same -- you must be insane to pay for such a game. But well, now i'm sharing the cost, so i pay only €5 a month, and it's the best MMORPG at the moment, so i think it's worth it
unknownc1c
personally i'm not a fan of WoW only b/c it stole attention away from almost every other online game, lol. Games that were once a lot of fun, have been forgotten. Like Diablo II, the server it's on is HORRIBLE, they've completely forgot about it and it goes offline all the time. Crying or Very sad
Holy
I guess WoW seems like an okay game, but... it's just too... nerdish if you get my drift. No good looking girl is going to want to go out with you if you play WoW or some other game like that. Sadly I'm on the line between nerd and cool because I'm crazy at sports and other physical things and chicks still like me but I spend A LOT of time on the computer. Rolling Eyes
Lusiphur
Holy wrote:
I guess WoW seems like an okay game, but... it's just too... nerdish if you get my drift. No good looking girl is going to want to go out with you if you play WoW or some other game like that. Sadly I'm on the line between nerd and cool because I'm crazy at sports and other physical things and chicks still like me but I spend A LOT of time on the computer. Rolling Eyes


There is a line between casual gaming and hardcore gaming though.

Most of the wow players I know have active social lives and only really play for a few hours a night/every other day.

Myself for example go out 4 nights a week, nights when I'm not out I chill by playing wow.

I think grouping everyone playing it as a nerd is taking it a bit far...

But I do agree that there is a stigma, god knows when I'm at a club and a girl asks me what I do with my spare time I never mention online gaming, so yea you might have a point after all Razz
Egmond
Most players on my server are actually parents, that also have to work, take care of the children, and so on. Definitely not the 'nerd' that spends all day behind his computer.
DivineConclave
slayer1927 wrote:
get it when you have the money because the game cost a lot so you will need to getit when you have the money then work hard for the levels its 15 a month and you can buy stuff with real money i think and he game so for a year you ar etalking about 200 - 300 dollars


Well, you're not supposed to buy things with real money. Unfortunately, Blizzard doesn't really do anything to stop this from happening and it's things like that that screw up the server economy.

When you look at the cost to play per month in comparison to, say, going to the arcade, it's extremely reasonable, in addition to all the benefits and social aspects of it.
DivineConclave
Egmond wrote:
Most players on my server are actually parents, that also have to work, take care of the children, and so on. Definitely not the 'nerd' that spends all day behind his computer.



yeah. One thing I love about out guild is that it's comprised of mature people. Most of them are adults, but we have some younger players (teens) there as well, but they're all really respectful and understanding. It's a nice change of pace from the "zOMG I PWNZ U" mentality. Man that aggravates me to no end.

But hey! Wait a minute! I AM the nerd that spends all day behind a computer. Razz
DivineConclave
Holy wrote:
I guess WoW seems like an okay game, but... it's just too... nerdish if you get my drift. No good looking girl is going to want to go out with you if you play WoW or some other game like that. Sadly I'm on the line between nerd and cool because I'm crazy at sports and other physical things and chicks still like me but I spend A LOT of time on the computer. Rolling Eyes


You'd be surprised at the number of good-looking girls that play. I work with 3 of them in real life, there are about 4 more in my guild, and I have met others... quite a few of which were while I was standing in line for BC. Ya need to ditch the stereotype of some greasy 300 pound Cheetoh eating loser. It is actually rarely the case.
DivineConclave
moonblade wrote:
Hold on, hold on. Items for real money? That's gold-buying and it's technically forbidden by Blizzard and absolutely disliked by majority of players... The total sum for WoW per year is around $120, nothing really catastrophic, either (at least with prepaid cards it is like that)...

As for the question of BC, if you can afford it (And you should, the price of original WoW is at $15 or so right now, I think), buy it. It adds two new races and a lot of areas for low levels of these new races to play. And they're awesome areas, too.


I want to start by saying that I love what they DID do with BC (though I am very let down by the Outlands). What really irritates me is that they added NO mid-level content so it's still the same old thing. It would have been great if they would have added a couple new classes instead of just opening up paladin and shaman to the opposite factions. I would love to see something like Diplomat as a profession for us RPers. They, again, catered to the PvPers. As for the class issue, Bard would be a great one.

They made it easy for horde to get to the Exodar, but difficult for Alliance to get to Ghostlands (unless you have a high-level warlock to summon a mid-level/low-level toon).
Egmond
Indeed, Blizzard did not add any new gameplay... Just more of the same. Some new classes would be nice indeed (What are the bard and the diplomat supposed to be, anyway?)
DivineConclave
Egmond wrote:
Indeed, Blizzard did not add any new gameplay... Just more of the same. Some new classes would be nice indeed (What are the bard and the diplomat supposed to be, anyway?)


Well, I saw the bard as a main buffer. They would have some standard buffs and then some rather powerful ones using a channel spell (bardsong, verse, etc). Perhaps the ability to learn various instruments and/or songs. Would be a great RP class. Right now, i have a rogue I have to pretend is a bard.
The bard would be, I guess the best and quickest explanation, a rogue with spells. Almost like a cross between a rogue and a discipline priest.

The diplomat would be an RPer's profession. It wouldn't be a good pay-out, but the diplomat, at high levels, could learn X-faction languages and get up to neutral with the opposing faction. Before people gripe about, "That wouldn't work because of PvP, blah blah blah..." Therein lies the problem. EVERYTHING revolves around PVP. I say **** PvP. I want some RP content added. It would also make it interesting because Faeroth (my main) is considered a diplomat. Our guild tries to promote peaceful resolutions. This would be excellent to be able to RP that out.
And I am not saying that yous hould be able to be fluent in X-faction languages at like 150 or anything. 300+, you can start learning X-faction languages. The earlier parts would be learning and partaking diplomatic missions for other NPC factions. What I would LIKE to see to assist with the build of the diplomat would be more AI interaction. Perhaps you walk up to an NPC of... say... the Defias. your response would affect their reaction and your diplomacy rating would go up or down, depending. It would work much like faction rep, but rather than based on killing things, it would be based on your diplomatic ability.
Xzmk07
it drew me in.. spent countless hours playin tons but i quit now.. hope you guys do 2 jkjk
DivineConclave
Xzmk07 wrote:
it drew me in.. spent countless hours playin tons but i quit now.. hope you guys do 2 jkjk


Quit?! What? I'm NOT addicted!!

Hey man, ya got a laptop so i can play WoW at work?
Egmond
DivineConclave wrote:
Well, I saw the bard as a main buffer. They would have some standard buffs and then some rather powerful ones using a channel spell (bardsong, verse, etc). Perhaps the ability to learn various instruments and/or songs. Would be a great RP class. Right now, i have a rogue I have to pretend is a bard.
The bard would be, I guess the best and quickest explanation, a rogue with spells. Almost like a cross between a rogue and a discipline priest.

[......]


I though the bard would be more like the Guild Wars Paragon, who uses shout-like things to buff friends and debuff others, and uses a spear (why?) for DPS. With Anthems, the regular buffs also have extra bonusses. This is a pretty original class and would accually add something to world of warcraft.

About the diplomat: No way :p
I don't think the PvP would be the problem (what's better than shout at each other, or conversize about an earlier battleground, or whatever). The RP'ers must be the problem -- it would screw up all the story of the war between the factions!
grain
what blizzard did was to deprecate the old wow, sure if you just started playing it doesn't make much difference.

but when you go to outlands you get so much better items that you don't usually see on wow classic.

with the city of shattrath everyone plays on outlands, and you see very less people on the old cities, much less people doing old dungeons, which is bad if you just started palying the game.

also the items on the outland instances and rais are so much better that it hardly compensates to do the old ones once you are lvl 70.

I think that they laid part of the game to waste and they added almost nothing new to the game...except for the flying mount and new profession skills, the game is basically the same you just have some new places to explore and stuff.

but I'm still quite addicted to it, though I started playing a couple of mounths ago Smile
Lusiphur
Problem with that logic is that it's like saying that once you hit 60 there was no compensation for the lower lvl dungeons.

It's the very nature of an mmorpg to constantly grow, with the lvl cap raising you have to expect the old "end game" to become redundant.

However, currently until lvl 58 there are plently of dungeons groups on realms I play on. The problem comes when people can access the dark portal, as lvling to 60 takes a matter of hours in outlands as opposed to 12-14 hours in Azeroth.

I do feel for people that will never experience Molten Core, Zul'Gurub and BWL the way they were meant to be. Going in at 70 will be far to easy and will ruin the satisfaction that came from completing them.

I do agree that they have laid azeroth to waste though, the only times I'm in it is for Karazhan, CoT or the odd AH run. Beyond that I spend all my time running around Outlands trying to get 5k gold Sad
DivineConclave
I think they ruined a lot with this expansion. I LOVE the expansion, don't get me wrong... but I have high-level toons, so of course I do. The problem was that they made it an exclusive expansion rather than inclusive. I have a 60 who I really want to run through Strat and Scholo and all the old instances... but I can't because it's just too hard to find people to do it now. They're all in Outlands. There are things from those instances I want. I still want my devout gear for my new priest. i still want my virtuous gear. It's just how i am.... not to mention that there is CRAP for priests in outlands. All the good stuff is leather, mail, or plate. I am still wearing gear from level 50 that's better than OL drops. Everything in OL has +heal/damage. Well... that's great and all... but what about stats? I don't want +heal. I want more spirit. The reason is that +heal is EXCELLENT for burst heals and to draw a crap-load of agro. I would rather be able to keep healing rather than heal a couple people and draw everything to me and not last very long. Again, geared topward PvPers.
Egmond
DivineConclave wrote:
I think they ruined a lot with this expansion. I LOVE the expansion, don't get me wrong... but I have high-level toons, so of course I do. The problem was that they made it an exclusive expansion rather than inclusive. I have a 60 who I really want to run through Strat and Scholo and all the old instances... but I can't because it's just too hard to find people to do it now. They're all in Outlands. There are things from those instances I want. I still want my devout gear for my new priest. i still want my virtuous gear. It's just how i am.... not to mention that there is CRAP for priests in outlands. All the good stuff is leather, mail, or plate. I am still wearing gear from level 50 that's better than OL drops. Everything in OL has +heal/damage. Well... that's great and all... but what about stats? I don't want +heal. I want more spirit. The reason is that +heal is EXCELLENT for burst heals and to draw a crap-load of agro. I would rather be able to keep healing rather than heal a couple people and draw everything to me and not last very long. Again, geared topward PvPers.


I agree with you, the priest is just not as much buffed as the other classes in BC. When you heal with them in a heroic instance, and you get agro, it's a wipe. It's even that bad, that my guild prefers a healadin, rather then the priest (Lucky i'm a paladin ^^). Just because -- as you said-- the enormous +healing gear, even on plate, so the spells itself don;t matter anymore, and the paladin heals just as good as the priest.

The old instance problem should be gone after a few months. Everyone want to try the newer ones now. As soon as they have seen them all, the classic ones will be played again
Lusiphur
The reasons paladins are preffered in Heroics is more due to them being the best class for single target healing. A Paladin + Warrior is the staple of a successful Heroic run.

Priests on the other hand are essential for Raiding as they are the best class for multi healing, and Shadowpriests are now valued as much as normal priests for healing and +mana which just rocks.

Regarding itemisation, you need +healing to be healing effectivly. Paladins in our Karazhan have over +1000 to their heals, this means their Rank 1 Heals are capable to healing over 1000 damage for next to no mana and their max rank heals can full heal a main tank after a significant crit.

Spirit is indeed in short supply at the moment, but every other (maybe a slight exaggeration) caster drop I have seen has had +mot on it, casters I know are currently regenning more mana with +mot than they ever did with +spirit.

At the moment the only classes with a viable complaint about itemisation are Hunter and Warriors. Quest reward mail and plate armour are intentionally geared towards Shamans and Paladins, which means it takes a while for us to gear up to the same lvl as other classes.

Jeez, this turned into a much longer post than intended. Gonna go away and do some work for a while now Razz
DivineConclave
Lusiphur wrote:
The reasons paladins are preffered in Heroics is more due to them being the best class for single target healing. A Paladin + Warrior is the staple of a successful Heroic run.


And that is exactly the point. Blizzard caters to the plate/mail wearers and negates the entire purpose of a priest. By all rights, NO ONE should heal as well as a priest. And in addition, priests should have fair drops. There is crap for +spirit gear.

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Priests on the other hand are essential for Raiding as they are the best class for multi healing, and Shadowpriests are now valued as much as normal priests for healing and +mana which just rocks.


Yes. Another faux pas, in my opinion. Why should a shadow priest heal as well as a holy... for that matter... why ARE there shadow priests? if you want to be a warlock, roll a warlock. I think what they did with shadow priests was made it for people who wanted to be a warlock, but wanted to get into raids.

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Regarding itemisation, you need +healing to be healing effectivly.


Incorrect. A more effective heal is one that doesn't kill the healer. Plus, I heal just fine without the +heal. I have done UBRS (back when it was a challenge) as the ONLY healer and did fine... without +heal gear. Now, I know the current content is not UBRS, but that was just an example. In actuality, +heal gear = +die gear for a priest. We have no AC to withstand the agro... unless we get +heal with stamina... in which case... again I say, if you want to roll a warlock...

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Paladins in our Karazhan have over +1000 to their heals, this means their Rank 1 Heals are capable to healing over 1000 damage for next to no mana and their max rank heals can full heal a main tank after a significant crit.


Again... another problem. Paladin should not heal that well. And the healers of the group should not have to rely on +heal gear. It really bothers me that many groups won't even let you into their raid unless you have +heal. In other words, they're being exclusive and knocking aside some really good healers so THEY can survive... ta hell with the priest.

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Spirit is indeed in short supply at the moment, but every other (maybe a slight exaggeration) caster drop I have seen has had +mot on it, casters I know are currently regenning more mana with +mot than they ever did with +spirit.


+mot is one thing for mages and warlocks... it's entirely different for priests. I would take some good +mot gear against what is there currently, but I haven't seen any drop. Well... unless it was leather or mail.

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At the moment the only classes with a viable complaint about itemisation are Hunter and Warriors. Quest reward mail and plate armour are intentionally geared towards Shamans and Paladins, which means it takes a while for us to gear up to the same lvl as other classes.


What? I have seen +28 sgility gear drop.. +30 stamina gear... all mail/plate! The quest rewards themselves, I give you, are all shammy gear because we know blizzard... gotta make love to our shaman.

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Jeez, this turned into a much longer post than intended. Gonna go away and do some work for a while now Razz


Work? Is that that thing people do between WoW?

Oh.. My server's down still... sooo... what else can I harrass you all with?
Lusiphur
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And that is exactly the point. Blizzard caters to the plate/mail wearers and negates the entire purpose of a priest. By all rights, NO ONE should heal as well as a priest. And in addition, priests should have fair drops. There is crap for +spirit gear.


This is where we are going to differ in opinion, I believe that any class with a holy tree should be at least the equal of a priest if they invest heavily into that talent tree.

Even then Priests still are better all round healers than any of the other 3 healer classes. Druids = Burst Healers/Heals over time, Paladins = Single Target Healers, Shaman = Dual weilding idiots that forgot what the heal button is.

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Yes. Another faux pas, in my opinion. Why should a shadow priest heal as well as a holy... for that matter... why ARE there shadow priests? if you want to be a warlock, roll a warlock. I think what they did with shadow priests was made it for people who wanted to be a warlock, but wanted to get into raids.


2 reasons in my opinion. To give them a spec capable of lvling by themselves, yes I have heard of Holy/Disc priest lvling in that build by themselves, but I've also heard advice people against it.

It's also to give healers the option of doing something other than just heal, wether it's for pvp, grinding or instance play every classes needs to be able to perform more than 1 role or they'll get dull quickly.

And they can't heal as well as Holy priests, what they do do though is bring a steady amount of heals and mana regen to a ranged melee class (where small heals over time are usually more important that big heals).

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Incorrect. A more effective heal is one that doesn't kill the healer. Plus, I heal just fine without the +heal. I have done UBRS (back when it was a challenge) as the ONLY healer and did fine... without +heal gear. Now, I know the current content is not UBRS, but that was just an example. In actuality, +heal gear = +die gear for a priest. We have no AC to withstand the agro... unless we get +heal with stamina... in which case... again I say, if you want to roll a warlock...


Basing an arguement around a Priest getting agro is flawed IMO, you should not be gaining agro, and if you do you should at most get hit once. Healer is the most important part of the "holy trinity" in groups and as such needs to be kept up.

I know that this is "in an ideal" world, and in reality tanks loose agro, doesn't taunt, hunters don't trap the mob or set their pets on it etc. But, you need to assume that the ohter players will protect you.

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Again... another problem. Paladin should not heal that well. And the healers of the group should not have to rely on +heal gear. It really bothers me that many groups won't even let you into their raid unless you have +heal. In other words, they're being exclusive and knocking aside some really good healers so THEY can survive... ta hell with the priest.


Raids need big heals. In karazhan alone there are bosses capable to bring tanks with 14k to their knees with 1 crit. With out big heals hitting them they will not survive multi tanking trash or single tanking mobs.

And the really good healers will always get a raid spot, these are the people that have the big heals, have the health to survive agro mishaps and bring more than a simple heal to a group.

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+mot is one thing for mages and warlocks... it's entirely different for priests. I would take some good +mot gear against what is there currently, but I haven't seen any drop. Well... unless it was leather or mail.


Only played a priest for a few lvls, so I had no idea that +mot wasn't valued. I understand why Spirit is regarded highly though.

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What? I have seen +28 sgility gear drop.. +30 stamina gear... all mail/plate! The quest rewards themselves, I give you, are all shammy gear because we know blizzard... gotta make love to our shaman.


Amen to that Razz

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Work? Is that that thing people do between WoW?

Oh.. My server's down still... sooo... what else can I harrass you all with?


Yea, apparently they pay me to compile odds and make them money, not sit browsing forums. I tell you, bosses have unrealistic expectations now a days Smile

Once again it's good to see you replying DC, is a fantastic change from the offical boards to be able to discuss wow without it degrading in "L2P N00b, i r t3h l33t you suckz0r!"
cheekyprincess29
No, the subject isn't wrong, I just want to say something else before I start. A while ago (like, a LONG while ago) some one said that some one else was putting this forum in danger of being shut down by Blizzard lawyers, when what do I see but Google ads at the bottom of the page offering quick levels by professional 24/7 players for nearly 400 dollars? If Blizzard were going to shut the forum down, it would be for advertising that, not saying "Guess what, there are private servers that have hacks!"

Anyway, my bone to pick is about high level mage armour. Before you say anything, I know looks aren't everything, but being female (Oh my god! A female plays WoW?!?) I like things to look good AND be functional. So I pose the question, why are all the top level mage armour sets blue and purple? That's fine for arcane or frost mages, because that matches their talent set, but I'm a fire mage (a gnome too, so cute Smile ) and I want to see good looking red armour! Not just the odd piece though, I know there are cloth pieces that are both high level and not a bluey-purple colour, but I want to see a full set, bonuses and all! Who's with me?! If no one agrees, I'm going to feel like the biggest idiot.
Egmond
Sorry to get between all your subjects, i just got a few questions as I reached level 70.

As first, the XP bar will automatically be removed. Is XP not important anymore? Or is there again the system that awards money when you 'level'?
In the first case, is there anything interesting to do at level 70, except for instancing, PvP, and farming gold? Quests aren't that interesting anymore, if you don't need the XP.

Another thing: Did anyone test what's faster: Flying on a flying mount (160%) or taking a flight path? And what if a paladin uses crusader aura, so the mount will fly at 196%? I don't care about the few silver you have to pay for a flight, i do care about the time saved.
Lusiphur
Egmond wrote:
Sorry to get between all your subjects, i just got a few questions as I reached level 70.

As first, the XP bar will automatically be removed. Is XP not important anymore? Or is there again the system that awards money when you 'level'?
In the first case, is there anything interesting to do at level 70, except for instancing, PvP, and farming gold? Quests aren't that interesting anymore, if you don't need the XP.

Another thing: Did anyone test what's faster: Flying on a flying mount (160%) or taking a flight path? And what if a paladin uses crusader aura, so the mount will fly at 196%? I don't care about the few silver you have to pay for a flight, i do care about the time saved.


XP Bar is gone and yea they compensate you with extra gold. At 70 each quest is worth between 11-27g. Well worth the time to do.

The same options that were available at 60 are available at 70. Instancing, rep grinding, gold grinding, pvping etc. Some of the quests are worth doing for story alone (esp if Horde, you have 2 excellent quest chains that are long and story driven).

The normal flying mount is only 60% speed increase, not 160%. Generally the mount is faster as you can fly in a straight line, I still prefer using teh FP as I can alt-tab while flying to check websites Smile

Epic mount is 280% speed in the air btw Smile
Egmond
Thanks a lot!

About the percentages: Yes, you fly at 160%, that's a 60% increase of the 100% normal speed. Like the epic is 280% of the normal speed, not an increase of the normal speed...
Xiger
I've been playing wow on and off for about a year, now I'm thinking if I should start playing again, I'm only lvl 66, got bored of lvling so thats why I quit earlier. I just wounder if it's worth coming back? Anything fancy to do?

NOTE: I'm far from a hardcore gamer, so forget raiding at lvl 70.

//Xiger
Egmond
Xiger wrote:
I've been playing wow on and off for about a year, now I'm thinking if I should start playing again, I'm only lvl 66, got bored of lvling so thats why I quit earlier. I just wounder if it's worth coming back? Anything fancy to do?

NOTE: I'm far from a hardcore gamer, so forget raiding at lvl 70.

//Xiger


Well, to be honest, 66-70 is all more of the same. No difference with 60-66 at least. Okay, the instances are worth seeing, but if you're already annoyed by the 1st 6 levels, I'd advise to just leave wow for what it is....
Stoicus
Egmond wrote:
Xiger wrote:
I've been playing wow on and off for about a year, now I'm thinking if I should start playing again, I'm only lvl 66, got bored of lvling so thats why I quit earlier. I just wounder if it's worth coming back? Anything fancy to do?

NOTE: I'm far from a hardcore gamer, so forget raiding at lvl 70.

//Xiger


Well, to be honest, 66-70 is all more of the same. No difference with 60-66 at least. Okay, the instances are worth seeing, but if you're already annoyed by the 1st 6 levels, I'd advise to just leave wow for what it is....


Ill disagree i had more fun from level 65-70 then i had from 1-60. Most of the fun of wow is getting to know people. WoW is a very social game and if you dont make friends or meet new people the game gets boring. There are tons of fancy things to do esp from 65-70. Tons of fun quest. And Depending on your Class lots of fun things to do. Shadowmoon valley Has so many fun quest and twist. Not the mention you can see dead people O.o hehe Twisted Evil

Also getting a flying mount makes the game so much fun. PVP is also back to its fullest with 5 man 3 man and 2 man teams! I think you can do alote if you come back to playing wow, Just make sure you play with people you like or start finding new buddies to group with if all your old friends are 70.
Xiger
Stoicus wrote:
Egmond wrote:
Xiger wrote:
I've been playing wow on and off for about a year, now I'm thinking if I should start playing again, I'm only lvl 66, got bored of lvling so thats why I quit earlier. I just wounder if it's worth coming back? Anything fancy to do?

NOTE: I'm far from a hardcore gamer, so forget raiding at lvl 70.

//Xiger


Well, to be honest, 66-70 is all more of the same. No difference with 60-66 at least. Okay, the instances are worth seeing, but if you're already annoyed by the 1st 6 levels, I'd advise to just leave wow for what it is....


Ill disagree i had more fun from level 65-70 then i had from 1-60. Most of the fun of wow is getting to know people. WoW is a very social game and if you dont make friends or meet new people the game gets boring. There are tons of fancy things to do esp from 65-70. Tons of fun quest. And Depending on your Class lots of fun things to do. Shadowmoon valley Has so many fun quest and twist. Not the mention you can see dead people O.o hehe Twisted Evil

Also getting a flying mount makes the game so much fun. PVP is also back to its fullest with 5 man 3 man and 2 man teams! I think you can do alote if you come back to playing wow, Just make sure you play with people you like or start finding new buddies to group with if all your old friends are 70.


Alright, you've sold it to me, I've bought a months sub. now and will give you an update in a while. Smile

//Xiger
Stoicus
haha. good another junkie! no but really if you get into it for the right reason wow can be a lot of fun but it can also get very demanding. enjoy man
Egmond
Stoicus wrote:
Egmond wrote:
Xiger wrote:
I've been playing wow on and off for about a year, now I'm thinking if I should start playing again, I'm only lvl 66, got bored of lvling so thats why I quit earlier. I just wounder if it's worth coming back? Anything fancy to do?

NOTE: I'm far from a hardcore gamer, so forget raiding at lvl 70.

//Xiger


Well, to be honest, 66-70 is all more of the same. No difference with 60-66 at least. Okay, the instances are worth seeing, but if you're already annoyed by the 1st 6 levels, I'd advise to just leave wow for what it is....


Ill disagree i had more fun from level 65-70 then i had from 1-60. Most of the fun of wow is getting to know people. WoW is a very social game and if you dont make friends or meet new people the game gets boring. There are tons of fancy things to do esp from 65-70. Tons of fun quest. And Depending on your Class lots of fun things to do. Shadowmoon valley Has so many fun quest and twist. Not the mention you can see dead people O.o hehe Twisted Evil

Also getting a flying mount makes the game so much fun. PVP is also back to its fullest with 5 man 3 man and 2 man teams! I think you can do alote if you come back to playing wow, Just make sure you play with people you like or start finding new buddies to group with if all your old friends are 70.


Good job selling him the game, at least we have another happy freehoster ^^

I just want to get back to my point: Why DO grouping in 65-70 and NOT in 60-65.... Don't think the levels make much difference in the social stuff.
gymly
I am so hooked its not funny!...2 accounts, wife and I both have lvl70 mains, 5 sons all play...this is taking over my life..lol

Hunter FTW
Stoicus
Egmond wrote:
Stoicus wrote:
Egmond wrote:
Xiger wrote:
I've been playing wow on and off for about a year, now I'm thinking if I should start playing again, I'm only lvl 66, got bored of lvling so thats why I quit earlier. I just wounder if it's worth coming back? Anything fancy to do?

NOTE: I'm far from a hardcore gamer, so forget raiding at lvl 70.

//Xiger


Well, to be honest, 66-70 is all more of the same. No difference with 60-66 at least. Okay, the instances are worth seeing, but if you're already annoyed by the 1st 6 levels, I'd advise to just leave wow for what it is....


Ill disagree i had more fun from level 65-70 then i had from 1-60. Most of the fun of wow is getting to know people. WoW is a very social game and if you dont make friends or meet new people the game gets boring. There are tons of fancy things to do esp from 65-70. Tons of fun quest. And Depending on your Class lots of fun things to do. Shadowmoon valley Has so many fun quest and twist. Not the mention you can see dead people O.o hehe Twisted Evil

Also getting a flying mount makes the game so much fun. PVP is also back to its fullest with 5 man 3 man and 2 man teams! I think you can do alote if you come back to playing wow, Just make sure you play with people you like or start finding new buddies to group with if all your old friends are 70.


Good job selling him the game, at least we have another happy freehoster ^^

I just want to get back to my point: Why DO grouping in 65-70 and NOT in 60-65.... Don't think the levels make much difference in the social stuff.


I'll agree levels really don't make much difference in the social stuff. But when your 60-65 your currently at this point dealing with a lot of alts. Most of these people aren't into "having fun threw the instance" there more on a rush.. rush.. rush.. gotta get my alt to 70. That attitude is what burns people out esp the people trying to get back into the game or play it for fun. If you miss a lot of the content on the way to 70 no big deal you have a main who is geared in epics and in a big guild. Most people that are now leveling need to get back into the game. So you wanna try and stay away from grouping with these "alt click's".

Now 65-70 you start playing with more mains. People running instances to get gear, for fun,plain bored, and late night social pubing. Truly most of the 60-65 instances are short crappy and a waste of time, the gear you get will be replaced by greens 3 levels later.

So lets hear the positives of 65-70.
1) You play with mains.
2) Get good gear you wont replace.
3) Getting to find a group of people you "click" with and enjoy playing with.
4) Guild possibilities you should always be on the look for a guild when you hit 70 so you can progress threw the later end content of the game.

Smile

//Sto
DivineConclave
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And that is exactly the point. Blizzard caters to the plate/mail wearers and negates the entire purpose of a priest. By all rights, NO ONE should heal as well as a priest. And in addition, priests should have fair drops. There is crap for +spirit gear.


This is where we are going to differ in opinion, I believe that any class with a holy tree should be at least the equal of a priest if they invest heavily into that talent tree.


No. They shouldn't. If someone rolls a priest, they should understand that they are the healers... and that that is what priests do. They heal and they listen to people whine about problems that frankly, the priest nor his deity really cares about. But it's what we do.
A holy paladin should be able to heal well, I agree... but not like a priest. It is the paladin's job to be a fighter (for whatever cause he/she sees fit)... that's what a paladin is.

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Even then Priests still are better all round healers than any of the other 3 healer classes. Druids = Burst Healers/Heals over time, Paladins = Single Target Healers, Shaman = Dual weilding idiots that forgot what the heal button is.


Agreed to an extent.. up until end levels. Then Blizzard nerfed the hell out of priest's necessity and gave all heals to pallies and druids as far as gear is concerned. Therefore, people want pallies because not only do they heal better, but they can handle the agro better.

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Yes. Another faux pas, in my opinion. Why should a shadow priest heal as well as a holy... for that matter... why ARE there shadow priests? if you want to be a warlock, roll a warlock. I think what they did with shadow priests was made it for people who wanted to be a warlock, but wanted to get into raids.


2 reasons in my opinion. To give them a spec capable of lvling by themselves, yes I have heard of Holy/Disc priest lvling in that build by themselves, but I've also heard advice people against it.


I am disc only into imp fort/shield. Everything else is holy. And I've never had a problem. I disagree that a shadow priest should heal as well as a holy. Why should they have the heals AND the DPS, thereby negating the entire purpose of a holy priest?

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It's also to give healers the option of doing something other than just heal, wether it's for pvp, grinding or instance play every classes needs to be able to perform more than 1 role or they'll get dull quickly.


If you roll a holy priest and want to do something other than heal in a group, then you need to delete your account and play mario brothers. This shouldn't even be in this discussion.

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And they can't heal as well as Holy priests, what they do do though is bring a steady amount of heals and mana regen to a ranged melee class (where small heals over time are usually more important that big heals).


The only thing they don't get is the +heal bonu on their +heal gear like holy priests do.

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Incorrect. A more effective heal is one that doesn't kill the healer. Plus, I heal just fine without the +heal. I have done UBRS (back when it was a challenge) as the ONLY healer and did fine... without +heal gear. Now, I know the current content is not UBRS, but that was just an example. In actuality, +heal gear = +die gear for a priest. We have no AC to withstand the agro... unless we get +heal with stamina... in which case... again I say, if you want to roll a warlock...


Basing an arguement around a Priest getting agro is flawed IMO, you should not be gaining agro, and if you do you should at most get hit once. Healer is the most important part of the "holy trinity" in groups and as such needs to be kept up.


I agree with you there... but tell the warriors that. Razz Fact is, healing is the most agro-attracting trait in the game, not including the taunt abilities. So the healers are GOING to attract agro. When that happens, it's "hope your tank has taunt up" and/or "hope your fade works."

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I know that this is "in an ideal" world, and in reality tanks loose agro, doesn't taunt, hunters don't trap the mob or set their pets on it etc. But, you need to assume that the ohter players will protect you.


If I didn't expect that, I wouldn't be doing very many instances. hehe... But there's a difference between assuming and expecting. I expect them to do that, but after some of the groups I have been in, I don't assume they will.

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Again... another problem. Paladin should not heal that well. And the healers of the group should not have to rely on +heal gear. It really bothers me that many groups won't even let you into their raid unless you have +heal. In other words, they're being exclusive and knocking aside some really good healers so THEY can survive... ta hell with the priest.


Raids need big heals. In karazhan alone there are bosses capable to bring tanks with 14k to their knees with 1 crit. With out big heals hitting them they will not survive multi tanking trash or single tanking mobs.


This doesn't fix the "paladin problem" and actually, at that level, the priest should be able to hold his/her own with minimal to no +heal gear. If the bosses can do that to a tank, think what they can do to a cloth wearer.

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And the really good healers will always get a raid spot, these are the people that have the big heals, have the health to survive agro mishaps and bring more than a simple heal to a group.


Again, I disagree with the "big heals"... and so would anyone who has played a healer. Big heals = big agro. They will always be the ones to get a raid spot because many people haven't played healers and don't understand the concept. Also, there is a difference between "simple heal" and "minimal +heal gear". If the priest knows how to allocate the heals properly, there shouldn't be a problem. If they have to rely on the huge heals, then they're probably overhealing anyway and are typically the ones who can't heal their own group forcing the other healers OOM due to overhealing.

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+mot is one thing for mages and warlocks... it's entirely different for priests. I would take some good +mot gear against what is there currently, but I haven't seen any drop. Well... unless it was leather or mail.


Only played a priest for a few lvls, so I had no idea that +mot wasn't valued. I understand why Spirit is regarded highly though.


The benefit to +mot is that it continues while casting. But with priest abilities, you can have your spirit regen while casting too. And the +mot is USUALLY (not always) lower in ratio than the +spirit that drops at those levels.

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What? I have seen +28 sgility gear drop.. +30 stamina gear... all mail/plate! The quest rewards themselves, I give you, are all shammy gear because we know blizzard... gotta make love to our shaman.


Amen to that Razz


LOL... You must play a shammy.

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Work? Is that that thing people do between WoW?

Oh.. My server's down still... sooo... what else can I harrass you all with?


Yea, apparently they pay me to compile odds and make them money, not sit browsing forums. I tell you, bosses have unrealistic expectations now a days Smile


WTF? What is this world coming to?! Did you know that cell phone companies expect you to pay them EVERY month?!

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Once again it's good to see you replying DC, is a fantastic change from the offical boards to be able to discuss wow without it degrading in "L2P N00b, i r t3h l33t you suckz0r!"


Oh.. man... yeah. hehe.. That's why when GMs tell me, "Please post on our suggestion forums", I typically reply with.. "Why? To get flamed and listen to children try to talk with numbers? Have you BEEN to your suggestion forums?"
DivineConclave
cheekyprincess29 wrote:
No, the subject isn't wrong, I just want to say something else before I start. A while ago (like, a LONG while ago) some one said that some one else was putting this forum in danger of being shut down by Blizzard lawyers, when what do I see but Google ads at the bottom of the page offering quick levels by professional 24/7 players for nearly 400 dollars? If Blizzard were going to shut the forum down, it would be for advertising that, not saying "Guess what, there are private servers that have hacks!"

Anyway, my bone to pick is about high level mage armour. Before you say anything, I know looks aren't everything, but being female (Oh my god! A female plays WoW?!?) I like things to look good AND be functional. So I pose the question, why are all the top level mage armour sets blue and purple? That's fine for arcane or frost mages, because that matches their talent set, but I'm a fire mage (a gnome too, so cute Smile ) and I want to see good looking red armour! Not just the odd piece though, I know there are cloth pieces that are both high level and not a bluey-purple colour, but I want to see a full set, bonuses and all! Who's with me?! If no one agrees, I'm going to feel like the biggest idiot.



I support this post 100%. I really wish they would allow some armour tweaks. Let tailors manipulate armour... not stats, mind you.. just appearance. Personally, I don't want to be a cookie-cutter toon. One thing that would even be considerable is all armour that is a class set (or even some of the higher stuff that isn't) is white. That's what you get... until you find a tailor and tell him/her which colour you want each piece of your set to be. Then, much like an enchanter or lockpicking, you can put the item in the DO NOT TRADE window, the tailor can play with some dyes, you get a preview and you accept or decline it. *shrug* sounds logical to me.
DivineConclave
Stoicus wrote:
Egmond wrote:
Stoicus wrote:
Egmond wrote:
Xiger wrote:
I've been playing wow on and off for about a year, now I'm thinking if I should start playing again, I'm only lvl 66, got bored of lvling so thats why I quit earlier. I just wounder if it's worth coming back? Anything fancy to do?

NOTE: I'm far from a hardcore gamer, so forget raiding at lvl 70.

//Xiger


Well, to be honest, 66-70 is all more of the same. No difference with 60-66 at least. Okay, the instances are worth seeing, but if you're already annoyed by the 1st 6 levels, I'd advise to just leave wow for what it is....


Ill disagree i had more fun from level 65-70 then i had from 1-60. Most of the fun of wow is getting to know people. WoW is a very social game and if you dont make friends or meet new people the game gets boring. There are tons of fancy things to do esp from 65-70. Tons of fun quest. And Depending on your Class lots of fun things to do. Shadowmoon valley Has so many fun quest and twist. Not the mention you can see dead people O.o hehe Twisted Evil

Also getting a flying mount makes the game so much fun. PVP is also back to its fullest with 5 man 3 man and 2 man teams! I think you can do alote if you come back to playing wow, Just make sure you play with people you like or start finding new buddies to group with if all your old friends are 70.


Good job selling him the game, at least we have another happy freehoster ^^

I just want to get back to my point: Why DO grouping in 65-70 and NOT in 60-65.... Don't think the levels make much difference in the social stuff.


I'll agree levels really don't make much difference in the social stuff. But when your 60-65 your currently at this point dealing with a lot of alts. Most of these people aren't into "having fun threw the instance" there more on a rush.. rush.. rush.. gotta get my alt to 70. That attitude is what burns people out esp the people trying to get back into the game or play it for fun. If you miss a lot of the content on the way to 70 no big deal you have a main who is geared in epics and in a big guild. Most people that are now leveling need to get back into the game. So you wanna try and stay away from grouping with these "alt click's".

Now 65-70 you start playing with more mains. People running instances to get gear, for fun,plain bored, and late night social pubing. Truly most of the 60-65 instances are short crappy and a waste of time, the gear you get will be replaced by greens 3 levels later.

So lets hear the positives of 65-70.
1) You play with mains.
2) Get good gear you wont replace.
3) Getting to find a group of people you "click" with and enjoy playing with.
4) Guild possibilities you should always be on the look for a guild when you hit 70 so you can progress threw the later end content of the game.

Smile

//Sto


I'd like to add another positive to this, looking at it from a GL standpoint. At those levels, you have nothing to worry about. You can farm for gold to help the guild, you can help your fellow guildies without the worries of "Man.. I gotta advance my toon"... you can do a lot for the guild that you couldn't have done before.

I actually have 2 mains and a WHOLE SKEW of ALTs. Somehow, I play them all. Each one has a character and each one has a purpose. The trick is just letting your mind go from level level level to... "I'll get there. It's no rush. It's no big deal." There are way too many people to play with at every level bracket to worry about trying to catch up to someone.
DivineConclave
gymly wrote:
I am so hooked its not funny!...2 accounts, wife and I both have lvl70 mains, 5 sons all play...this is taking over my life..lol

Hunter FTW

LOL... come to BWR, where our life is pixelated.
DivineConclave
Xiger wrote:
Stoicus wrote:
Egmond wrote:
Xiger wrote:
I've been playing wow on and off for about a year, now I'm thinking if I should start playing again, I'm only lvl 66, got bored of lvling so thats why I quit earlier. I just wounder if it's worth coming back? Anything fancy to do?

NOTE: I'm far from a hardcore gamer, so forget raiding at lvl 70.

//Xiger


Well, to be honest, 66-70 is all more of the same. No difference with 60-66 at least. Okay, the instances are worth seeing, but if you're already annoyed by the 1st 6 levels, I'd advise to just leave wow for what it is....


Ill disagree i had more fun from level 65-70 then i had from 1-60. Most of the fun of wow is getting to know people. WoW is a very social game and if you dont make friends or meet new people the game gets boring. There are tons of fancy things to do esp from 65-70. Tons of fun quest. And Depending on your Class lots of fun things to do. Shadowmoon valley Has so many fun quest and twist. Not the mention you can see dead people O.o hehe Twisted Evil

Also getting a flying mount makes the game so much fun. PVP is also back to its fullest with 5 man 3 man and 2 man teams! I think you can do alote if you come back to playing wow, Just make sure you play with people you like or start finding new buddies to group with if all your old friends are 70.


Alright, you've sold it to me, I've bought a months sub. now and will give you an update in a while. Smile

//Xiger


hehe.. and soon, LOTRO is out... a matter of days. I don't know if you RP or not, but a lot of RPers are gonna go to LOTRO because of Blizzard's inability (or lack of desire) to support RP. I haven't decided fully yet. I have an incredible guild that I don't want to leave... and they're all good RPers, but I am really getting tired of the spammers, the gold sellers, the griefers, and the GMs' complete lack of motivation to care.
DivineConclave
Egmond wrote:
Stoicus wrote:
Egmond wrote:
Xiger wrote:
I've been playing wow on and off for about a year, now I'm thinking if I should start playing again, I'm only lvl 66, got bored of lvling so thats why I quit earlier. I just wounder if it's worth coming back? Anything fancy to do?

NOTE: I'm far from a hardcore gamer, so forget raiding at lvl 70.

//Xiger


Well, to be honest, 66-70 is all more of the same. No difference with 60-66 at least. Okay, the instances are worth seeing, but if you're already annoyed by the 1st 6 levels, I'd advise to just leave wow for what it is....


Ill disagree i had more fun from level 65-70 then i had from 1-60. Most of the fun of wow is getting to know people. WoW is a very social game and if you dont make friends or meet new people the game gets boring. There are tons of fancy things to do esp from 65-70. Tons of fun quest. And Depending on your Class lots of fun things to do. Shadowmoon valley Has so many fun quest and twist. Not the mention you can see dead people O.o hehe Twisted Evil

Also getting a flying mount makes the game so much fun. PVP is also back to its fullest with 5 man 3 man and 2 man teams! I think you can do alote if you come back to playing wow, Just make sure you play with people you like or start finding new buddies to group with if all your old friends are 70.


Good job selling him the game, at least we have another happy freehoster ^^

I just want to get back to my point: Why DO grouping in 65-70 and NOT in 60-65.... Don't think the levels make much difference in the social stuff.


I guess I'm not exactly clear how you're defining "social stuff". If you're defining it in terms of RP and random social activities in game, then there should be a difference... but there is. A lot of it has to do with where people are sitting geographically in the game. I have noticed that a LOT of people from 60 to 65 are in Outlands now... whereas, when people hit the 70 mark, they start coming back into Stormwind and Ironforge (alliance). Also, there is an unspoken elitest mentality. Not to say that everyone who reaches those levels are elitests, but once you're at that level, typically, you've run with pretty much the same people throughout your adventures and they're, for the most part, who you group with actively and socially.
I don't know if that spun a light on your question or not... hope so.
XlaiR
Log in to the game, check graphics, check fat of all players and check how long it is normal to stay logged in.
Strange, huh?

~XlaiR
Xiger
Here's an small update, shortly after I rejoined wow I realized that most of my old guild mates had come back, so my "good old family" who were the main reason I played before is back now, so I will be playing for fun now at least! So I might actually go raiding, cause with these guys, raiding = looots of fun Wink

//Xiger
moonblade
DivineConclave wrote:

hehe.. and soon, LOTRO is out... a matter of days. I don't know if you RP or not, but a lot of RPers are gonna go to LOTRO because of Blizzard's inability (or lack of desire) to support RP. I haven't decided fully yet. I have an incredible guild that I don't want to leave... and they're all good RPers, but I am really getting tired of the spammers, the gold sellers, the griefers, and the GMs' complete lack of motivation to care.


Mmm, I can't help but agree about that, though it seems they actually hired some people that can speak decent english, be friendly AND not use the [Bla bla bla] macro. One of them even apologized to me for a bugged quest! Twice! Maybe in two more years they'll run RP events, who knows... Then again, a guildie is trying out LotRO, and I might give it a spin too... And then, our guild might move completely to a new game! *cackles and rubs hands together*
Bubbel
i play also on private servers, but i must admit, blizzard is MUCH and MUCH better u just can't say other things. no hacks, just fair lvling, no portals Razz
Lusiphur
Lusiphur wrote:


This is where we are going to differ in opinion, I believe that any class with a holy tree should be at least the equal of a priest if they invest heavily into that talent tree.


DivineConclave wrote:
No. They shouldn't. If someone rolls a priest, they should understand that they are the healers... and that that is what priests do. They heal and they listen to people whine about problems that frankly, the priest nor his deity really cares about. But it's what we do.
A holy paladin should be able to heal well, I agree... but not like a priest. It is the paladin's job to be a fighter (for whatever cause he/she sees fit)... that's what a paladin is.


I must admit to having issues with that line of logic. I don't feel that any class should be limited to one role if they have the capability of filling more than 1.

I can see where you're coming from when you say that Priests should be the top healers, personally I agree to an extent. They are currently the class of choice for group/raid healing, Paladins and Druids aren't as good as healing multiple people as Priests. If they had the best Burst, Group and Single Target healing it wouldn't be fair on other classes that have to spec heavily into a tree to be excel in one of those roles.

Yes Priests are healer, but as has been established in WoW lore they are also manipulaters of the darker side of faith. Hence shadow.

I do have issues with SPriests being the top DPS class atm. But that's another discussion completley Smile

Lusiphur wrote:

Even then Priests still are better all round healers than any of the other 3 healer classes. Druids = Burst Healers/Heals over time, Paladins = Single Target Healers, Shaman = Dual weilding idiots that forgot what the heal button is.

DivineConclave wrote:

Agreed to an extent.. up until end levels. Then Blizzard nerfed the hell out of priest's necessity and gave all heals to pallies and druids as far as gear is concerned. Therefore, people want pallies because not only do they heal better, but they can handle the agro better.


Agreed that Priests have been given unneeded Nerfs. Not sure if I agree that Paladins can handle the agro better, yes they can handle the repercussions for pulling agro better (plate and bubble) but I think Priests have better agro management in general.
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DivineConclave wrote:
Yes. Another faux pas, in my opinion. Why should a shadow priest heal as well as a holy... for that matter... why ARE there shadow priests? if you want to be a warlock, roll a warlock. I think what they did with shadow priests was made it for people who wanted to be a warlock, but wanted to get into raids.


Lusiphur wrote:
2 reasons in my opinion. To give them a spec capable of lvling by themselves, yes I have heard of Holy/Disc priest lvling in that build by themselves, but I've also heard advice people against it.


DivineConclave wrote:
I am disc only into imp fort/shield. Everything else is holy. And I've never had a problem. I disagree that a shadow priest should heal as well as a holy. Why should they have the heals AND the DPS, thereby negating the entire purpose of a holy priest?


Shadow Priest in DPS gear have min to none +healing. All their gear is aimed at +shadow damage, add onto that the fact that in Shadow form (and if you're not in SF you're not doing the damage you need to) you can't access your holy spells means that SPriests aren't as good healers as non SPriests.

They are good ranged group healers though with vampiric embrace and mana regen.

Again have issues with SPriest damage. In our Gruul, Mag and Kara group the SPriests always top the meters.
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Lusiphur wrote:

It's also to give healers the option of doing something other than just heal, wether it's for pvp, grinding or instance play every classes needs to be able to perform more than 1 role or they'll get dull quickly.

DivineConclave wrote:

If you roll a holy priest and want to do something other than heal in a group, then you need to delete your account and play mario brothers. This shouldn't even be in this discussion.


Maybe not, but I still believe it's viable. It's liek saying that Warriors tank, if you don't want to tank play a rogue. Classes have different specs to suit different people.

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[quote="Lusiphur"]
And they can't heal as well as Holy priests, what they do do though is bring a steady amount of heals and mana regen to a ranged melee class (where small heals over time are usually more important that big heals).


DivineConclave wrote:

The only thing they don't get is the +heal bonu on their +heal gear like holy priests do.

Nothing to add Smile (For once)

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DivineConclave wrote:
Incorrect. A more effective heal is one that doesn't kill the healer. Plus, I heal just fine without the +heal. I have done UBRS (back when it was a challenge) as the ONLY healer and did fine... without +heal gear. Now, I know the current content is not UBRS, but that was just an example. In actuality, +heal gear = +die gear for a priest. We have no AC to withstand the agro... unless we get +heal with stamina... in which case... again I say, if you want to roll a warlock...


Lusiphur wrote:

Basing an arguement around a Priest getting agro is flawed IMO, you should not be gaining agro, and if you do you should at most get hit once. Healer is the most important part of the "holy trinity" in groups and as such needs to be kept up.

DivineConclave wrote:

I agree with you there... but tell the warriors that. Razz Fact is, healing is the most agro-attracting trait in the game, not including the taunt abilities. So the healers are GOING to attract agro. When that happens, it's "hope your tank has taunt up" and/or "hope your fade works."


You have a point about healing generating aggro, but with DPS classes going all out, your tanks equipped well etc I've not seen Healers in teh top 10 on KTM.

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Lusiphur wrote:

And the really good healers will always get a raid spot, these are the people that have the big heals, have the health to survive agro mishaps and bring more than a simple heal to a group.

DivineConclave wrote:

Again, I disagree with the "big heals"... and so would anyone who has played a healer. Big heals = big agro. They will always be the ones to get a raid spot because many people haven't played healers and don't understand the concept. Also, there is a difference between "simple heal" and "minimal +heal gear". If the priest knows how to allocate the heals properly, there shouldn't be a problem. If they have to rely on the huge heals, then they're probably overhealing anyway and are typically the ones who can't heal their own group forcing the other healers OOM due to overhealing.


Overhealing is part of end game raiding though. On Gruul for example, tank gets brought to 10k health (16k max) you start the heal, overheal but tank is back to full. If you didn;t heal straight away you run the risk of the tank taking an unlucky hit and dieing before you can heal him. I don;t feel overhealing is an issue.

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DivineConclave wrote:

The benefit to +mot is that it continues while casting. But with priest abilities, you can have your spirit regen while casting too. And the +mot is USUALLY (not always) lower in ratio than the +spirit that drops at those levels.


Started playing a Priest because of this discussion, thanks for the info.

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DivineConclave wrote:
What? I have seen +28 sgility gear drop.. +30 stamina gear... all mail/plate! The quest rewards themselves, I give you, are all shammy gear because we know blizzard... gotta make love to our shaman.

Lusiphur wrote:

Amen to that Razz

DivineConclace wrote:

LOL... You must play a shammy.


Shaman, Hunter and Rogue. Don;t hold that against me though Razz

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Another small essay Razz Hope the formatting is right, cause I ain't going through it all again Sad
snypez
whats the big deal? I play a decent amount of WoW but wouldn't go in debt. Just because you play WoW and have a credit card that gives you small amounts of money toward more playtime dosen't mean were gong to loose control and go into debt! I mean, come on! You people sound like the legions of people who believe that because a kid plays a videogame it makes them more apt to shoot his school mates. Get a grip and realize its not the card that would make anyone go into debt, its themselves and their bad habits. They would have gone into debt with ANY credit card, reguardless if they played WoW or not!
snypez
Hmm maybe the WoW players will go outside and visit some stores instead of staying on there computers for a change.
snypez
gahaz I'm not embarrassed to play the game at all. But owning a wow Visa? If that's not the pinnacle of Uber Nerd, I don't know what is.
snypez
This is not a great deal unless you are a die hard fan and must have everything Wow. There are plenty of credit cards out there that offer more than 1% back either in terms of prizes, gifts, airline miles or even cash back. I believe Discover has something like 2% cash back so if you just spend $750 with them, you save like 15 bucks which can go towards paying your Wow monthly bill...
moonblade
I don't know what the pinnacle of Nerd is, but telling people how to live their lives ain't that great either. As well as spamming. That said, I don't see why not to buy the game cards, as far as I know, they're a fair deal cheaper.

Anyway, speaking of WoW, rogues are being buffed, which is a fair bit surprising, seeing how that hasn't happened either ever, or for years...
Guifodz
Wow its to expensive...i cant play Sad
DivineConclave
Well.. once I get my next paycheck in, it looks like I am getting away from WoW. Blizzard has done nothing but destroy the game in every way. They broke the classes to allow the PvPers to godmod, they've broken the game, implementing more bugs than a New York apartment since expansion, they've let their GMs become absolutely useless, allowing the RP griefers to dominate the RP servers, they've ignored every valid suggestion from the players, they've ignored forum moderation, they've catered to the PvPers with all the end-game drops/items, leaving the PvEers to rot.

Blizzard... sucks.

If any of you feel how I do, chances are, I will see you in LOTRO. If not, best of luck to you in the World of Warcraft.
Lusiphur
Sorry to see you leaving wow DC Sad

Just out of curiousity though, how have the PvE'rs been left to rot?

I'm in an end game raiding guild. We have upto Mag on Farm, and are getitng closer to taking him down.

The end game epics all got increased to further the difference between greens, blues and purples.

New patch introduced Black Temple, Skettis, Consortium Prison and Ogrilla. 4 new PvE (1 catering to end game, 3 to casual gamers).

PvP got 1 new arena.

I'm happy with the state of wow at the moment, and RP-PVP Ravenholdt EU (my home away from home) is going strong Smile
Stoicus
Lusiphur wrote:
Sorry to see you leaving wow DC Sad

Just out of curiousity though, how have the PvE'rs been left to rot?

I'm in an end game raiding guild. We have upto Mag on Farm, and are getitng closer to taking him down.

The end game epics all got increased to further the difference between greens, blues and purples.

New patch introduced Black Temple, Skettis, Consortium Prison and Ogrilla. 4 new PvE (1 catering to end game, 3 to casual gamers).

PvP got 1 new arena.

I'm happy with the state of wow at the moment, and RP-PVP Ravenholdt EU (my home away from home) is going strong Smile


I agree i feel that they have patched to promote pve adding the new 25 mans and the talk about the new 10 man makes for great pve progression most guilds arnt even past grull so for them to be putting out new content this quickly it shows good things. Also there mixing it up alittle by adding in the nerfs to help guilds get the easyer 10 man on farm and making 2 set item peices drop per boss this also help guilds gear out players faster. If you ask me Bliz is doing a great job at keeping the pve's happy
DivineConclave
Lusiphur wrote:
Sorry to see you leaving wow DC Sad

Just out of curiousity though, how have the PvE'rs been left to rot?

I'm in an end game raiding guild. We have upto Mag on Farm, and are getitng closer to taking him down.

The end game epics all got increased to further the difference between greens, blues and purples.

New patch introduced Black Temple, Skettis, Consortium Prison and Ogrilla. 4 new PvE (1 catering to end game, 3 to casual gamers).

PvP got 1 new arena.

I'm happy with the state of wow at the moment, and RP-PVP Ravenholdt EU (my home away from home) is going strong Smile


All of the drop gear in Outlands is PvP directed... stamina with +heal/damage. That isn't very good PvE gear. Beyond the PvP issue, they added quests that REQUIRE you to have a flying mount, which basically means that they added quests to support the gold sellers. There isn't a single quest in all of Azeroth that requires you to have a mount... but now you have to have a flying one.

Back to the PvP issue a moment...
When they jerked around the classes, they focused on how the classes would fare in PvP, tossing aside the PvE effects of that balancing. Now, it pretty much seems that no class is as it was supposed to be. Warriors aren't MTs, Priests are MHs, Rogues aren't one of the first DPS choices. Basically, everyone's classes got fubared.

As for the "new content"... that's another problem. Why is all the new content focused on endgame? They need to implement some content to the 20-60 brackets. This area of playing is absolutely drawn out, boring, monotonous, repetitive, and otherwise nothing but a grind-fest just to be able to get to some "new stuff". They don't give a damn about the casual player as much as they say they do, because everything they SAY is for the casual player is more difficult to get than what they had previously implemented (e.g., 0.5 tier set when they brought that in).
DivineConclave
Stoicus wrote:
Lusiphur wrote:
Sorry to see you leaving wow DC Sad

Just out of curiousity though, how have the PvE'rs been left to rot?

I'm in an end game raiding guild. We have upto Mag on Farm, and are getitng closer to taking him down.

The end game epics all got increased to further the difference between greens, blues and purples.

New patch introduced Black Temple, Skettis, Consortium Prison and Ogrilla. 4 new PvE (1 catering to end game, 3 to casual gamers).

PvP got 1 new arena.

I'm happy with the state of wow at the moment, and RP-PVP Ravenholdt EU (my home away from home) is going strong Smile


I agree i feel that they have patched to promote pve adding the new 25 mans and the talk about the new 10 man makes for great pve progression most guilds arnt even past grull so for them to be putting out new content this quickly it shows good things. Also there mixing it up alittle by adding in the nerfs to help guilds get the easyer 10 man on farm and making 2 set item peices drop per boss this also help guilds gear out players faster. If you ask me Bliz is doing a great job at keeping the pve's happy


Well.. sure.... if everyone in your guild is 65+ and you're playing for the "phat lewtz" and that's all you care about. However, if you're playing for the sake of the game itself, they're doing nothing.
Lusiphur
The reason they add lvl 70 content is that's where everyone ends up and stays for most of their playtime.

THey could add more lvl 20-60 content. But how much can they add that you will actually experience at the lvl it's aimed for?

I fly through 1-40 when lvling because of the abundance of quests/instances. Ok I've done them all before, but I still enjoy deadmines and Scarlet Monastery.

How many people can you honestly say aim to lvl their character to less then 70?

While I agree, it would be nice to have some new things for lvling, new instances, quest hubs anything would be nice.

But they need to add more endgame content (for both the casual and raider, which is that they've done), because if they don't we'll be stuck at 70 with nothing to do.

I disagree that flying mount encourage gold buying. 1k gold is so easy to get during lvl 60-70 it's not important. The 280% flying mount though...that I agree with you on. 5k gold for a cosmetic item is taking the ****** piss.

Esp considering you need one to get the Netherdrake mount, which was one of the more interesting additions in the patch.

Only thing I really dislike is that they keep on making end game easier. Gruuls lair used to be a bit of a challenge, the entire thing can be done in 1 run (45 mins to and hour). And Karazhan is a joke.

Thankfully Mag is still challenging Smile
nomis
Come on!
You really should not wast ur life on that crappy shit... IT really is a wast of life!
syther
it's a very nice game, ik still play WoW, almost lvl 70 now, and then i only need to find a good guild to raid karazhan
Lusiphur
nomis wrote:
Come on!
You really should not wast ur life on that crappy shit... IT really is a wast of life!


Why is it a waste of life?

Like any game/hobby it is something to do when you have nothing else to do. It's cheaper than spending every night at the bar/club, more entertaining than watching repeats on TV.

Instead of making a waste of a post why not explain your reasoning?
gong_05sk
i 'm too. blizza is very good. i play it in 1 month...
spykE
I'm asking myself how long they can keep updating WoW from now? They can't really add another 10 levels and they can't keep adding new and new content. But they are still not at the end for sure, people still starting to play WoW.
Lusiphur
spykE wrote:
I'm asking myself how long they can keep updating WoW from now? They can't really add another 10 levels and they can't keep adding new and new content. But they are still not at the end for sure, people still starting to play WoW.


They can, and will do just that.

Northrend (from The Frozen Throne) is completely untouched in WoW. People are expecting Arthas to show up in the next expansion.

Raising the lvl cap and introducing new content is the only real way to expand the lifetime of a MMoRPG.

They will have to give into peer presure and release Hero Classes though, people have been crying for them since Blizzcon last year.
dlseven777
If they increase the level cap how would they handle points?

Because 71 points will make a lot of classes broken. This is only my second mmorpg so forgive me for my lack of knowledge.

Hero classes? What exactly is that? My other MMORPG was DAOC. I stopped playing that for personal reasons. In any case I don't recall any kind of hero class. Anyone care to enlighten me?
Lusiphur
dlseven777 wrote:
If they increase the level cap how would they handle points?

Because 71 points will make a lot of classes broken. This is only my second mmorpg so forgive me for my lack of knowledge.

Hero classes? What exactly is that? My other MMORPG was DAOC. I stopped playing that for personal reasons. In any case I don't recall any kind of hero class. Anyone care to enlighten me?


Hero Class. If you ever played Tabletop DnD the idea of a Prestige Class is very similar.

Basically, in W3:The Frozen Throne, they introduced new characters which were marked as "Heroes". They were all based on a class except they had unique abilities.

A large portion of the WoW fanbase (myself included) thought this would be a great implement to wow. I see it as, you get to 70, go speak to a trainor, he gives you choices of what way you would want to specialise. You lvl to 80, complete his quest and get a funky new title, cause we all love titles.

It would prolly just end up as a hyper specialised Talent Tree, but would be a good way of increasing the lvl cap, and intoducing more talents without making huge changes to the class.

If they did introduce more lvls they would make another teir of talents, then once again rebalance the lower tiered talents around them. Exactly like they did with TBC. People were concerned about certain classes being broken with the extra points, but Blizzard dealt with it well.
Osmodius
Blizzard needs to balance the classes they already have before adding hero classes.
Lusiphur
Osmodius wrote:
Blizzard needs to balance the classes they already have before adding hero classes.


In what way do you think they are unbalanced?

The class balance at the moment is better than it has ever been.

Unless you're talking about 1v1 PvP, then there are balance issues. But Blizz have already stated that pvp is balanced around group play and not individual duels.

PvE wise each class compliments each other, the only issue that they may need to address is Talent Balance, as there are currently some talent trees significantly better than the others (ie Resto is better than Elemental and Enhancement for PvP and PvE for Shamans. Same with Holy Paladins).
xonage
i played it for a long time, but then stopped cause i was really addicted to it.

i'm not kidding and i think it's a really bad game if you easy fall into addiction

and if you reached level 60 ( I stopped b4 the addon came) there are not much things left too do. only farming bosses (raiding) which is also getting boring quite fast
Bigbu
You cant beat this game. its amazing
dhdsystem
for me w is boring... i prefer action games
Grahambel
thanks man
Grahambel
I started to play "mmorpgs" a few years ago, and always liked the community feeling of that games. Started with Anarchy Online I played mostly all games till WoW/DO and so on.
But since WoW the genre of mmorpgs started to get worse. The community parts mostly come apart...
All that little kiddies (I don't like children that much Rolling Eyes ) saying "Look at me! I'm the best! I got everything!" and so on. When you get new into one of this games, there all this little bastards laughing at you, killing you, want to ****** you, and so on. I mean, don't they have a real life, or are they so frustrated of it? Little pubescent boys...
Kleopatra
well, i've right now 5 60's only druid class is 48, and i think that even if the classes are different, doing the same quests over and over again gets boring finally. Yes i'm still adicted to wow Shocked but i think blizzard should go faster on that expansion thing to keep players. I know thera are some class specific quests but its not enough to hold interest. And PvP is fun but you cant just shoot/cast/hack/slice people for more than 2-3 hours without getting fed up. On the other hand the time needed to get and keep high pvp rank is insane. So give us quests Blizzard!! BTW if you just read the history and whatever books are lying around in the game.. its amazing the scenario these dudes put in game!
ConquerSockets
Hello all,

Ive played World Of Warcraft for the 7 days trial card they gaved to me when I bought the game.

My comments:

One of the best game that Blizzard has ever made (After StartCraft // WarCraft // Diablo I & II exp)

The only problem is that when you don't know much peoples it can be boring a litle bit but once you have meet lot peoples in there, it's terrible.

You start to waist all your life on WoW and doing nothing else and you play for one reason: To become better and better, not because you like it, but because you want to become better...

It's a nice game, but a bit too addictive I find.
I know lot peoples spend their whole lifes on that game.

Alex.
Lancer
I have been playing Wow for about 6 months now I think. Played Runescape for 2 and a half years before that. Tried my best to stay away from WoW when all my friends got into it when it came out. At the time, it was a little pricier than I wanted to spend per month.
But at last earlier this year, I gave in and bought the game and tried it out. Now, I rarely visit RS, maybe once a week if that. Mainly when the Wow Servers go down for weekly maintenance.

WoW is a great game, I can see why they add end game content rather than new quests at the lower levels. If they don't the people who have peaked at 70 will get bored and start cancelling subscriptions.

However, I disagree with those who say the game doesn't start till you reach level 70. What were all those people doing before Burning Crusade came out? There's alot of fun and excitement to be had in the lower levels even if you already have a 70 and are making an alt Character.

If you are bored with WoW, I suggest you pick a totally new race or class, and level it as if you hadn't played through the game before. Don't power level it or twink it with your level 70. Work it as if you didn't own a level 70.

Anyway, I play on Farstriders, yeah, an RP server. Not much RP really goes on in general concerning RP. Most of the RP actually happens in guild channels, so if you are from a normal server there's really not a whole lot of difference.
Sarcas
As for the 'the game doesn't begin till you hit 70', i see it actually as 2 parts, both you can decide your own pace of progression. You could take 10-20 in 2 months, spending most your time in Goldshire trying to create raids, or farm the battleground to be annihilated by twinks, happily to move on again after to have the same happen. You can work on instances more, or just prefer soloquesting it all.
At 70 it's kind of the same, play 16 hours a game, join a hardcore guild and be one of the 'best', or just taking it casual, spending most time questing, 5 man instancing and honor farming (serious, there's no pvp) while maybe running kara once a week

Anyhow - i play on Lightnings blade alliance, it's sort of dead, wouldn't recommend anyone coming here
coreymanshack
Sarcas wrote:
As for the 'the game doesn't begin till you hit 70', i see it actually as 2 parts, both you can decide your own pace of progression. You could take 10-20 in 2 months, spending most your time in Goldshire trying to create raids, or farm the battleground to be annihilated by twinks, happily to move on again after to have the same happen. You can work on instances more, or just prefer soloquesting it all.
At 70 it's kind of the same, play 16 hours a game, join a hardcore guild and be one of the 'best', or just taking it casual, spending most time questing, 5 man instancing and honor farming (serious, there's no pvp) while maybe running kara once a week

Anyhow - i play on Lightnings blade alliance, it's sort of dead, wouldn't recommend anyone coming here


If you want to play, try to get on a full server, then get on the alliance if you want lots of items, horde never really has alot of good items on ah, I've learned this from exp Sad, although the people on horde are alot more friendly, ironic huh? Well, 55 rogue... Enfurion/Bladefist, was going to go to 70, but I don't play anymore, for reasons discolosed, no i wasn't hacking and no I did not violate any of the terms of use etc. It was a family reason, stupid family. Now I guess I'll have to play guild wars! RRRR
KHO
Does anyone play on Executus - Alliance? I am a 65 gnomish warlock, name is Doublvinfear (pronounced Do you believe in fear), guild leader of hardcore atm, 100 man guild with a decent amount of high lvls. I haven't logged on for like a week since I need to get another game card. But it would be nice to know if anyone here plays on my server.
coreymanshack
KHO wrote:
Does anyone play on Executus - Alliance? I am a 65 gnomish warlock, name is Doublvinfear (pronounced Do you believe in fear), guild leader of hardcore atm, 100 man guild with a decent amount of high lvls. I haven't logged on for like a week since I need to get another game card. But it would be nice to know if anyone here plays on my server.


I don't play on that particular server, but I've heard of your guild. Isn't that one of those guilds that is on more than one serveR?
spykE
Sarcas wrote:
As for the 'the game doesn't begin till you hit 70', i see it actually as 2 parts, both you can decide your own pace of progression. You could take 10-20 in 2 months, spending most your time in Goldshire trying to create raids, or farm the battleground to be annihilated by twinks, happily to move on again after to have the same happen. You can work on instances more, or just prefer soloquesting it all.
At 70 it's kind of the same, play 16 hours a game, join a hardcore guild and be one of the 'best', or just taking it casual, spending most time questing, 5 man instancing and honor farming (serious, there's no pvp) while maybe running kara once a week

Anyhow - i play on Lightnings blade alliance, it's sort of dead, wouldn't recommend anyone coming here


The game doesn't begin untill you hit 70? I would disagree, leveling can be a lot of fun aswell, I don't see why some could say things about leveling sucks, then you should go play outside or something, World of Warcraft then isn't definately a game for you. What you do at 70 is pretty much the same? Farm, farm, farm and keep getting better items. Isn't that similar to going from 1 to 70? I can't stand people who 'powerlvl' with crappy gear. I'd always keep my gear updated compared to the lvl I'm having at that moment, always wanna be decently geared. Ok you put more time in it like this, but I find it a lot more fun than the powerlvling thing. If you got decent gear you'll also level fast and die less and take orange quests easily instead of instantly releasing your spirit because you can't kill a mob cause of the reason that your gear is too weak, though you have the level. Just my two cents Wink.
Lusiphur
The first time you lvl to 70 it's great. The 3rd or 4th time you level a character it's tedious.

Level 1-30 is grand, there are good quest hubs in each zone, quest chains with interesting lore and that link together. Also a lot of good instances for learning group play.

30-40 is ok, you have scarlet monastery and mauradon (2 great instances) and there are a few decent quests.

40-50 is just a boring grind though. Any instances have crap rewards compared to the efforts. Quests are spare and often dull grinding quests with very little story. And to be honest even the first time you do these levels it's tedious, the 2nd and 3rd time is enough to make you want to quit the game...

50-60 Was always fun because you knew you were coming up to the "end". The instances were big, plaguelands gave a lot of quests to do. And once you hit 60 the game really did begin. With Zul'Gurub, Molton Core and Even Naxx waiting you, it was great.

Same applies to 60-70. But it's even easier than 50-60, and the current end game is achieevable by any guild with 10 members.

So yea, to me the game does start at 70. End game instances over constant upgrades, difficult encounters and new experiences. Granted this isn;t everyone's cup of tea, but it's what I play it for.

On the note of gearing to your best as leveling. I can understnad and appreicate this as while lvling I do a lot of group play, and I want to pull my weight. But gearing up while leveling and gearing up for end game are 2 completely different games. Stat priorities switch, specs changes and your role is often different.
carlokes
Hi there,

Well, since this thread is kinda dead and big news came to public on the last days, I think it's time to post and ask everyone what are their expectations about the forthcoming expansion of World of Warcraft, Wrath of the Lich King.

Official page here (EU): http://www.wow-europe.com/wrath/

A lot of new features have already been announced and many site of the theme are constantly updating. So, what everyone thinks about this new expansion?

Stay Cool!
SlowWalkere
I've got 2 70's (Mage, Paladin), and I always felt that the game starts at 70.

When I started playing, most of my friends had already been playing for a year or two. They had several 60's, they raided all the time. About two weeks after I started, Burning Crusade came out, so they all started levelling up to 70 and hitting the new level 70 instances. Meanwhile, I was stuck in Stranglethorn, or Arathi, etc...

I did enjoy levelling the first time, but I wanted to get up to level 70 as quick as possible to start playing with my friends (obviously one of the reasons I started playing in the first place). The second time I levelled a character to 70, I did it as quickly as possible because I wanted him to start raiding... the levelling was fun at times, but it was all geared toward the end goal. Once I got a taste of the endgame, it's where I wanted to be.

As for people that don't like raiding, well then maybe levelling lots of alts is for you. I've known people that constantly levelled characters to 30-40 and then switched to a new one. PVP is also a lot of fun, if you have friends to play with. Some people in my guild rolled 29 twinks (awesome fun), and we throw in at level 70 for at least a few games on the weekends. It's definitely a different type of game from raiding, and there's something satisfying about killing a character with a player on the other end.

- Walkere
Marzh
Yeah man I know what you mean I've rerolled 3 times and only got to 50. Now I have a char. that I'm going to lvl up all the way, but now since my server is kinda old no one is there to play in the lvl 50 range, so just saying that this part in the game is where lvling really sucks. Also anyone play on firetree on the horde side?
FroHawK
hello everyone...

i kinda just started on WoW but its really fun. i know im a low level and a newb but its interesting so far. i have met a fun guild and all that jazz. its funny im only level 13 and i feel like ive played for a while now. If anyone plays on Onixya and is around my level hit me up.
DivineConclave
Hey everyone. Went to Blizzcon earlier this month. Wow... I have got to say... if you didn't go, you didn't miss much. Between the disorganization and the lack of panels and events, it was a waste of time and money. I guess, though, that the beta key is a good thing. I'm thinking it's for Wrath of the Lich King... just a guess since when you go to the beta site for Blizzard, it takes you to the WoW beta site auto.

If any of you went to Blizzcon, what did you think of the Wrath of the Lich King demo? I really am hoping they do something with the game. Didn't really get the chance to demo it. They gave you 20 minutes to demo, but it took 10-15 minutes just to get your spells and such in place. Then another 10 minutes to get used to their keybindings (if you changed your own from default). Then you didn't really get to go or do anything. It was pretty much a long wait in a long line to look at a few graphics.

But I'm not bitter... really.

At least they served guinness.... ...for $5 a can. hehe
DivineConclave
Oh.. Wanted to say something else too...

To those of you I was speaking with a loooong time ago on here, sorry I've been away. Just got a new job as a theatre lighting designer that takes up more time than I'd like to admit.

Moved serves from Maelstrom, disbanded the conclave. Blackwater Raiders took the RP server nose-dive as RP servers always do when transfers open up. Sad It seems that people are attracted to RP servers just for the intention to grief. *sigh* Ah well.. starting anew elsewhere. Transferred Faeroth over to a newer RP server as soon as transfers opened there (already had a druid there). But, it too is starting to take that transfer nose-dive. Can only hope a new RP server opens soon.
Deias
Ive got a lvl 65 hunter on Karin tor, which took that nose dive along time ago that was mentioned in the previous post. Thankfully and I dont know why you leave for the greifing you mentioned usually dies out after about a month *shrugs* if you choose to put up with it that is. just do yourself a favor and dont get suckered in to the idea of RPPVP its horrible as far as the ZOMG NEWBS ...RPERS are the suckzors etc etc.

Sense Im on the subject of RPPVP blizz needs to take those offline anyway. they are no good Im all for RP love it been doing it before WOW and will keep doing it long after WOW, but there is a time and place for it and when your doing the long grind to PVP mastership the concentration needs to be placed there not how you and your knew gnomish "love" are getting married in the SW chapel, there is too much screwing around in RP servers to even waist time and alloted server space to be a RPPVP
DorFalla
Deias wrote:
Ive got a lvl 65 hunter on Karin tor, which took that nose dive along time ago that was mentioned in the previous post. Thankfully and I dont know why you leave for the greifing you mentioned usually dies out after about a month *shrugs* if you choose to put up with it that is. just do yourself a favor and dont get suckered in to the idea of RPPVP its horrible as far as the ZOMG NEWBS ...RPERS are the suckzors etc etc.



Blarg, I wish it died out after a month... Steamwheedle Cartel is a good example of an RP server barren of RPers. Sure... they're there... but because of the griefing, they've become so reclusive and elitist it's crazy. For a while, they even had their own separate forum they would post their RP stories and event announcements and such on. For those who don't play on an RP server, that may not seem like a big deal to you; but when you first start out on an RP server and hit the realm forums to find some RP events to get into... and all you find zero presence of ANY RPers? Well, you'll be moving on, like I did. (Though, I got to about level 40 before then and *was* in that little special RP circle, but it sickened me that they did that on an RP server.)

The above example may sound like the status of SWC is the RPers' fault and not the griefers. However, I believe the responsibility to be about 50/50.
When I joined Blackwater Raiders 3 days after it opened, the RP was wonderful, quality, and plentiful. Anywhere I went on the Horde side, there were RPers. Coming from playing on SWC and Venture Co (RPPvP, more on that later), I was elated. I thought this was what real RP servers were like.
I started a Heavy RP guild with my little Forsaken Priestess, it was well received and the community as a whole was thriving. The best part of it all, was that it hadn't even occurred to me to join the Realm forums to find RP events; they were EVERYWHERE.
Then one week... things were a bit different. I was on my mount in Orgrimmar, hanging out in front of the bank (since that seemed to be a big RP hotspot where RPers crossed paths constantly) looking for anyone I might know. I was there for a good 20 minutes or so and didn't see a single person I recognized, however, there seemed to be a lot of higher leveled people whose names I hadn't even seen before replying to their friends with "lolwut". This was definitely odd. Where was my RP paradise?
Still... RP carried on as it used to, but stumbling over a few RP events a week seemed to go away, and when I did, they were often met with a naked dancing Orc in the middle and random passersby with their "lolwut"s. *shrug*
This continued as it was for a bit more... it was tolerable, since most of the griefers seemed to be higher levels who kept to themselves. Unless you were having an event somewhere or RPing in the streets. Gods help you then.
So I took to the forums to try to find some RP events, and stumbled across a thread talking about server transfers. Even though this was my 3rd server, I had still only been playing less than a year and was still a relative newb when it came to any MMO, so I had no idea what this even meant. It wasn't til doing a little digging that I realised that the week my Orgrimmar became a little less friendly, was the week these transfers opened. Interesting. Still, me being naive, I didn't understand why they would even come here if they didn't like RP. I mean... that's what the server is called, right? Wasn't that why everyone was there?
BWR's RP continued, but was a bit gutted at that point. Since RP in public places like cities was griefed, we became reclusive and shy. It was really the only thing we could do since RP servers have next to zero policy enforcement by the GM staff.
Shortly after our server's population status became "Recommended" and it was at the top of the list for rolling a new character was about the time I started holding our guild meetings in the Undercity sewers because of the wave of level 11 whatevers named "Ipwnurface" who think, "rp is ghey but my rl friend plays here." Now, some people may say, "If they were bothering you, put them on ignore and move somewhere else," which is what we did, though they usually followed while dancing and jumping around us as much as they could. My argument with that is that we shouldn't have to move our RP on an RP server to avoid spoiling that griefer's good time.
After getting Recommended status, RP took a serious punch in the gut, as it seemed most of the people rolling there had no respect for what the server type was, and thought that us asking them to stop running through our events with "lolrp" was us trying to ruin their playing experience.
I looked around at the RPers and general populace of this server I loved... and realised I was on Steamwheedle Cartel.
I stuck it out as long as I could, but eventually rerolled to Moon Guard when it was still fresh and new. Again, it was like the beginning of BWR... RP EVERYWHERE. Transfers opened, and things got a bit rocky, but while the RP-hating people came in for "lol server firsts", many RPers transferred old characters from dead servers (myself included) and there were even quite a few totally new RPing Moon Guardians. RP in Stormwind wasn't what it used to be, but it was still there. Recently, we've hit the dreaded Recommended status and had a HUGE influx of "lolrp" that runs unchecked, but we're still breathing. There is still great RP, and MG remains the best RP server in WoW, imo. But it's still a downward slope. Griefing increases almost every day, but MG's community seems to be strong enough to weather it so far... but it's still slipping. One day it will be Steamwheedle Cartel. Just gotta enjoy the fun while it's there.

This was long and rambling, but I just woke up. Anyway, just thought I would throw that up there, since there seems to be a popular belief that either griefing doesn't happen in WoW or that it really doesn't last. Fact is... it does. Eventually, all RP servers become Normal servers.

As for RPPvP... I was silly enough to choose my second server to be The Venture Co. I figured that having the opposing faction be an actual threat to you in your day to day questing would make for a much better RP atmosphere and experience. Ho boy. The last poster already covered what happens on RPPvP servers pretty well, so no need to go into that aspect any more. The ideal solution, instead or just tossing the server type out, however, would be for Blizz to actually start enforcing the rulesets that have on RP-type servers. But... look at how many subscribers they have without doing that. Anyone knows that the PvP community FAR outnumbers the tiny RP group. Why the hell would Blizz enforce rules they may put out or scare away their biggest money makers only to appease a tiny minority? Just not gonna happen. Funny thing is... I get GMs constantly who don't even know the RP server rules. Pretty sad when I quote them to them directly from their website, yet they still argue with me.

I don't think everyone in WoW should play the way I do. This is not the issue. However, server types are there for a reason. I don't go on PvP servers to tell everyone about how stupid PvP is and that I hate it and they shouldn't do it.
PvP servers don't fit my playstyle, so I don't roll there.
Normal servers don't fit my playstyle, so I don't roll there.
It's pretty simple. If you *are* going to insist on eating at the same restaurant every night, don't complain about the food they serve the entire time.

Again... sorry for rambling. Very groggy.
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Vladalf
I see many interresting things on this topic. Keep it up guys!
MikeNF75
I've rather enjoyed playing World of WarCraft over the past year and a half. Despite only hitting level 41, it's a great change of pace from some of the other games I play. There's no real need to worry about kill stealing, or ninja-looting. You also have several options on how you want to proceed with your character. I plan to start playing again once I actually buy Burning Crusade (Yes, I know I'm way behind!) lol! The new content just sounds like too much fun to pass up!
greekwoof
in my opinion wow is the best game ever...
i started 2 years ago.. and i still play Smile i got 2 mages 70lvl and now playing a night-elf 49lvl Smile
although im a bit bored.. i dunno how long it will last :S
ExplicitRyan
World of warcraft was a great step up from Warcraft 3.
Changing it from strategy to RPG gained millions more players.
Great game and it's well worth the money considering if you were to play WoW for 20$ a month
Or go paintballing every week for 40$ each time.
You actually save some money if you have 2 things to do instead of just 1.
So the money is worth it indeed and it's a great experience for a gamer.
MikeNF75
It's also a very good change from raiding/grinding in EverQuest which is quickly becoming a dying game. WoW gives you a great feel for the deep history that Blizzard wrote for the Warcraft series, and puts you well into the middle of the massive world they built around the three original games. i remember when my sister first introduced me to Warcraft II and how addicted I immediately became.. Then of course, she HAD to throw Starcraft and Diablo/Diablo II at me! After Warcraft III, I knew I would really get into playing WoW. I just never realized how bad an addiction can be! LOL
Aredon
I'm curious as to how overpowered the new hunter changes are going to be. I'm not thinking we'll see much of a difference other than perhaps beast mastery hunters.. where the only way to beat them as a mage was to hug their dead zone, and now that that is eliminated. Could be pretty bad for a while.
phyrexianhulk
playing it from time to time. mostly fun, but it can get a little frikking noobish Wink
phyrexianhulk
played my pala now for 1.5 years. damn. i'm playing really slow. but on the other hand thats what a pala is good for Smile. slow levelling and a lot of non-damage. tried every spec and every skill set. protection seems to be my favourite. at least that what it is: palas do it with protection.
rappn
I played World of Warcraft long time ago! Very Happy

But when i was playing i had a Level 60 Warrior (Before The Burning Crusade!)
And on my Warrior, i was kind of lucky with my drops!
One time, i got Lei of Lillies (An epic necklace)
Another time, i got Orb of Deception (Blue trinket!)
And i also got many more "very rare" items..

Then i quited playing for a while, until The Burning Crusade came, and my friends started to nag on me that i should start, and i started, created a Draenei, leveled that char up to level 46 in a few weeks, and then i quited again...

So i have quited/started with World of Warcraft like 3 or 4 times now! Laughing

Hehe thats my history of WoW-playing!
Proof-of-God
I did a trail and begging for a full acount w/ Burning Crusade, but since I'm not there yet, I'm going back to my corner to rock myself to sleep until I'm able to Confused
Hypnosan
I've played World of Warcraft off and on since the beta and overall it has been an enjoyable experience. I've just recently returned to the game after about a year's absence and I'm liking all of the new changes brought about by the new expansion, the Burning Crusade. My fiance and I have just started fresh on a new server, Ravencrest, and I'm leveling a Paladin up there.
alibadman
it is a really nce game i also played for a while it only sux u gotta pay for it!
Software is just like s#x, it's better when it's free Laughing (leeched for warez-bb.org)
FlyingYouri
I don't play Word Of WarCraft.
Because, i've got WarCraft III.
But i can't play the game online Crying or Very sad .
I don't like World Of WarCraft. It is very expensive Sad .
ilich
I start play wow at *free* server and some friends follow me, then they started playing on official and last birthday they gifted me wow and then i started to play on official server.
Now i have a lock l70 on eu-Boulderfist/H raiding ssc and tk with my guild.
fracko
Played WoW since it came out in the stores. i have a 70 hunter, 70 rogue, 68 shaman, and i'm raiding bt/hyjal
jackiz
i had a 19 twink, but i went trogh a portal to get shatt as my home. but then i got 1000 xp and leveld up XD
now im playing on a private server (wowscape) Smile its fun. xp rate * 65 Rolling Eyes
war3brasil
i played wow to level 59 few years ago... my friends play it now, but i think im done with it.
Trevarion
Started in the Beta, and still playing now Smile I love this game, the best MMO around!
I stopped playing a few times, but I just can't stop completely Razz Every time, after a few months of not playing WoW, I just buy another game card, and start fooling around on my warlock again.
My Main character is a lvl 70 Warlock on Magtheridon-EU (PvE). I've raided uptil Black Temple and Mount Hyjal, full epic. A few weeks ago I've created an alt, a paladin. He's lvl 47 now, and I'm trying to get him to 70 as soon as possible, to also start raiding with him.
Oh, and I can't wait for Wrath of the Lich King! :O It's always nice to explore new content.
Teva
I have several world of warcraft characters, my main being a 70 tankadin. Very much looking forward to the new content of Wrath of the Lich King, although I find it a little sad that introducing new content seems to make the old less popular. So it was at least on my server with 50-60 dungeons, and I think so it will be with 60-70. But hey, hopefully some nice new 70+ content Smile
Mgmartin
I play, I've got a 70 Holy/disc and a 64 demo warlock Razz and a lot of alts.
m-productions
To be honest... Im scared to be posting here. I use to think WoW was just beyond dumb...and anyone who played it is just... laamee... And to be honest.. i still do.. but whats differnet is.. I play it .. (yes im calling myself lame HAHA)

I swore id never play this game, but a friend of mine had been playing it a lot, and so one day when i was at a GameStop, I saw a 14 day trail...and im like... what the heck, why not try it? its free... And,.... now I own the game and alreayd have a level 31 mage... I even got my dad to play it..which is rather funny (level 23 or 24 lock) I never thought WoW would be this fun.. tho I cant wait to get the outlands.. and i really cant wait to the new expantion... deaht knights seem AWESOME!.
Headhunter123
I have played WoW for 6 mounts then I have 6 mounts break, I have done that since the game coame out, becasue I always get bored after 6 mounts wittout playing WoW.

Thats the same with my server, somethimes I have 2 mounts break from it, because I get so angry on all the n00bs that plays on it. But after a time I always comes back to WoW and WoW server making. Confused

So you never get bored of WoW, you always comes back to it once
Fishbowl444
WoW sucks peoples brainz...
joker1975
Fishbowl444 wrote:
WoW sucks peoples brainz...


Quoted For Truth

and I speak from experience, WoW does suck peoples brains..

mmMMMmm brains

now, having admitted to having my brains sucked by WoW, and apparently craving brains myself, does that make me a WoW zombie?

Anyhow, Yes I play wow.. I have 2 main (max level) characters, both horde.. one on a PvP server (Yes levelling a warlock on a PvP server was frustrating.. rogues are evil).. my other is on an RP server.. though I never knew Ron Paul was so popular.. Wink
m-productions
Does anyone here on firhost play wow that isnt a noob poster thats getting posts for hosting!?!?! kinda wana have a read discusion .. not a quick random noob post "WoW is 1337"
Lukargo
I as well use to play WoW quite a bit. However, as time went on the game just began to feel like more and more of a grind to me. When I play a game I want it to be fun not feel like just another job. However, I've got to admit that playing as a Warlock was awesome! Throwing curses and fears in battlegrounds was probably the most fun I ever had in the game. I've thought about starting back up again but I'm just not sure if I have the time right now. My podcast that I run called Casual WoW has been picking up a lot of listeners lately though. I don't think the game will ever die.
radzz
hey every one who hates pay to play world of warcraft have u ever thought of looking for some private servers there free and well loads off fun i play on them here's a web site to get private servers from [url]www.wowstatus.net [/url] if u do not no how to set your realm list to the private server go to your C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft and right click on the realm list and click open with... and once you have done that tick the one with chose your own program ... and choose notepad ... the copy the private servers web name and put set Realmlist to site name example set Realmlist m-wow.com... this is the private server i play on please have a look in to it Smile
kenmuas
I play retail, I've thought about private servers, but its just not the same. You don't get the support like on retail along with bug issues, population and such. Its nice to not have to pay to play a game, but sometimes it just doesn't work out.
draganuta
World of Warcraft is a great game and from my experience i can say that there are pirate servers witrh more than 500 users. Some of them are a bit laggy , others are not. You must know where to find Smile
Deanmc
How to find free WOW servers? Are the reliable? Please recommend a few good servers.
Gieter
Deanmc wrote:
How to find free WOW servers? Are the reliable? Please recommend a few good servers.


http://www.xtremetop100.com/world-of-warcraft
http://www.wowstatus.net/

I've played on Burning WoW for about 6 months, pretty good server for a private server but then I went retail (too many bugs, downtime, etc.)

@ war3brasil: strange why you didn't play till you were 60, that's when the real fun begins!
Seiji
I've started playing, last time I played it, I really never gave it a good try. Going to stick with it longer and see how it turns out.
UnholyIntention
Me and my wife play wow through the winter but now that summer is coming I can't wait to get out and about.. Winter lasts forever in Alaska! We both have 70's, she has a hunter and i have a rogue.. It's all fun gives us something to do!
Maserman
Yeah i'm WoW addict too Razz If u know what to do what are all those stuffs in wow for - its great!

I can say something... really fun with playing on character starts at lvl 70! Lvl 70 is end of another beginning... pve or pvp.
zedski
i play and have a 70 mage, hunter and shaman!

best game ever

used to play counterstrike source but my friends turned me to the 'dark side' hehehe

" what im not addicted! i just cant stop playing mister!" Wink
medievalman26
Wow is evil:twisted: !!!....But yeah I play most people tell me that I am a damn good tank too. Go 70 dwarf warrior! Only problem I have now though...I have no idea how to get the raid sets. Anyone out there know how to get the onslaught set?
selevan
World of Warcraft became same "crap" as other MMO's. Why there isnt some skill based MMO (like Ultima Online/Eve Online) with open pvp ? Everywhere u cannot loose items, and i feel like playing "carebear" game. They should make strict pvp servers with more pvp (that one we have arent really pure pvp). Thats why i left WoW, because they started to make bad changes Sad
rickinyorkshire
I played WOW for a couple of years, and looking back now i can't believe how much time i wasted on it. I saw the light so to speak.
ToxicDevil
I love this game so much, I have 2 level 70's Both alliance on the Dragonmaw realm and I cant wait for the new arena season and then P00n some nubs with my Vengeful Gladiator's Greatsword =D

Cant wait the the expantion btw
Fatality
Before I started playing World of Warcraft I played Guild Wars. Just got sick of GW after I did almost everything there was to do in the game. Like some of the previous posters, I too was a strongly against paying to play an online game. Since then a lot of new MMO's have been released and a monthly fee is the average, so I don't completely think the same as I used to. I've played WoW for a little over a year and have liked every minute of it. Currently raiding end-game content and looking forward to the expansion.

~Fatality
ThomasHood
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Maserman
Damn... Think carefully before start playing this game.
I started by my friend and i can't stop now.
Just because I got many friends, and nice guild atmosphere, and ofc nice gametime Smile

Like I said, i tried to end with that twice, twice failed.
thepringer
http://forums.deathknell.cc/registration/



FREE WOW HERE, u just have to change the realm list and create an acount.
nkhot
i like this game , i'm shaman!
browtch
Blizzard rules!
Since diablo 1 that I cant stop to play their games ....
diablo 2, D2 LoD, an now Wow... Just he best games of its ages
I think that I'll never stop to play computer just because the blizzard games XD
wolvmag
I wish they'd let Humans be Hunters as well... get rid of.. hmm.. the the human Warlock... replace with Human Hunter L)
spykE
They should let Gnomes be priest aswell. That would be imba Very Happy
Diablosblizz
elcyron wrote:


there is a number of pirateservers ( no i will not provide any links) some of them provide lots of XP or let you start at lvl 60. problem is they're hardly mmorpg with 10 people playing.
playing with blizz is best for playing even though it costs some money.

to answer the question: i did, i do and i will be playing on blizzardrealms for a long time


Just like to comment on that, there are many of private servers that have many of users. Unfortuantly, I cannot run the game as my computer can barely handle Counter Strike. Razz I've tried it at a friends house, from my knowledge he seemed to be playing on a hacked server cause everybody looked to have some pretty neat looking armour which he said was pretty hard to get.

The only thing I don't like is how Blizzard didn't include Battle.NET with WoW. When I was at my friends place I was asking "So, where's B.NET" and he said there wasn't such thing on WoW, I was like what? I'd figure that Blizzard would have included it.
Aredon
Does anyone know if the Opt-in e-mails have been sent for the WOTLK beta yet? I haven't heard anyone claiming that they have received their key, but I'd at least like to know if and when I get declined so I can stop repeatadly checking my e-mail. Smile
Spartan
Diablosblizz wrote:
elcyron wrote:


there is a number of pirateservers ( no i will not provide any links) some of them provide lots of XP or let you start at lvl 60. problem is they're hardly mmorpg with 10 people playing.
playing with blizz is best for playing even though it costs some money.

to answer the question: i did, i do and i will be playing on blizzardrealms for a long time


Just like to comment on that, there are many of private servers that have many of users. Unfortuantly, I cannot run the game as my computer can barely handle Counter Strike. Razz I've tried it at a friends house, from my knowledge he seemed to be playing on a hacked server cause everybody looked to have some pretty neat looking armour which he said was pretty hard to get.

The only thing I don't like is how Blizzard didn't include Battle.NET with WoW. When I was at my friends place I was asking "So, where's B.NET" and he said there wasn't such thing on WoW, I was like what? I'd figure that Blizzard would have included it.


It's only online, that's why. Razz
Anyways, in the end, private servers suck. I stopped playing the live servers a while back, but now, after all that time, I see that it wasn't worth it. Emulating the game is against the EULA and ToS anyways, so it's better to get back to the real game. ^_^

PS: Private servers are really buggy, that's a good enough reason to avoid it Razz


Oh, as for the Opt-In, I have no clue... I think it's out already, we probably just weren't accepted. The beta client is out anyways, that's for sure.
Aredon
Yeah I know, the beta client is sitting on my desktop all lonely with no beta key to call its own. Sad Found out yesterday that the keys have started to go out. Aparently they will be going out in "waves", whatever that means.
Vladalf
Aredon wrote:
Yeah I know, the beta client is sitting on my desktop all lonely with no beta key to call its own. Sad Found out yesterday that the keys have started to go out. Aparently they will be going out in "waves", whatever that means.


Means they won't release all keys at once. Smile Some today, some next week, etc.

-Vladalf
Maserman
anyone know where i can get a list of guild management addons Question
Theundertaka
u mean "Guildevent manager" ? just google for it :p
l2talles
its expensive but is really addictive
Azor
WoW has got to be the best game i have played yet the price is a bit steep but worth it
enygmasoft
WOW rules all of them are great strategy games. I have always been a big fan of stratagy games since the first warcraft was released.
runescapeglobal
I'm thinking of buying a new computer to run WoW. But thats still $600 dollars away. So anyone have any suggestions on what I should star with or any good websites or guides? PM me cause I will probably forget about this topic.
kanarya
im playing World of Warcraft and i like it becouse evry time u think uve had it all something new shows up like a new patch or sumthing, they keep u entertained but i also agree that 20$ a month is not easy to pay if u are wishing to play this game for over a year xd
miquelxx
I play World of warcraft and i love it i play it since the beta come out and i just have 1 level 70 lool i hate leveling Razz anyway... my lvl 70 pwns Shocked
warriorpoets
World of Warcraft is a fun game, and my guild has a pretty good presence on the Kil'jaeden server. I've had a lot of fun running with those guys, even though LotRO is pretty much my main game.
jambler
I played WoW for a little under 2 years. I had 2 level 70s, a shaman (my first) and a warrior. It has so many different aspects to it that it is really easy to play for an extended period of time. I started my shaman when the level cap was still 60, got it up there and raided a little and pvp'd. BC hit and I joined a raiding guild and raided all the way through t4 and t5 content with a little dabbling into t6. I got bored with raiding, and with college, didn't have the time so I rolled the warrior with some friends from school and went straight PvP. I played just about every other class up to about 30-40 and always had a blast. A little after the sunwell hit, I got bored pvping and I didn't have the time to invest in raiding so I quit. I will probably go back once the expansion hits in November, but probably not for the length of time I played before. I wish I could sell my characters because they are decked out in some pretty good gear, but alas it is against the TOS. All in all, I had fun playing. My shaman was on US-Thrall, and my warrior on US-Spirestone.
bertbosi
i dont like this kind of games but most of my friends play it Very Happy
warriorpoets
I'm more into LotRO, but my guild's got a presence (they raid regularly) alliance side on Rivendare & Kil'jaeden, and I sometimes play with them, but not like I used to.
stryd4
eyy
iv been playing wow on blizz servers for about a yr i have 2 t5/t6 toons a fury warrior and mage on dreadmaul.
anyone else here play on that server?
jofi
World of Warcraft is Best game ever Wotlk is coming i play Wotlk Beta and i can tell its very COOL!!!
Now i go back playing my Death Knight Laughing
insideout1
Im dying to have a crack at WOTLK, i signed up for the beta too but missed out along with the many others im sure Crying or Very sad .

Iv been playing since it was released and currently playing a horde 70 durid, feral spec, on the Caelastraz realm. Its soo addictive!!! lol.

Im enjoying the durid, tho my fav classes have to be warlocks and hunters.
Gieter
l2talles wrote:
its expensive but is really addictive


Don't think it's really that expensive compared to other games or other in real life "addictions". For example, a friend of me has a PS3 and bought GTA IV for 60 euros maybe? After 30 hours he finished the game and started playing something else. I had to spent around 40 euros for World of Warcraft + The Burning Crusade and pay 13 euros a month to play 4 - 5 days time /played (96 hours.) 13 euros a month is also a lot cheaper than going out (10-30 euros for one evening!).

Can't wait for Wotlk to come out on 13th of November!

PS: gnome dk ftw!
msfuture
I like the gamte to but i got very addicted to it and spend like $200 on month play prices
blutrausch
I also play wow and I hope there will be some positive changes with WotLK caise i´ve been playing wow for long time and it´s gettig a little bit boring ^^
deadswan
WoW! lol Good game =]
I have tried many MMO's and this has got to be the best, well worth the money...
I tried Guild Wars but it has bad lag...
And all the others I tried were even worse than that Neutral
But WoW is gooood Mr. Green
Zombie
I got into this game a few years ago, then I got to 70 and got bored. I should really get back into this!
joostvane
Zombie wrote:
I got into this game a few years ago, then I got to 70 and got bored. I should really get back into this!


Same. But I'm not going back.
filesharing
joostvane wrote:
Zombie wrote:
I got into this game a few years ago, then I got to 70 and got bored. I should really get back into this!


Same. But I'm not going back.

Starting again with WoW is very dangerous for people who have a job or go to school Very Happy
X5club
Dread Lord Chaos wrote:
$20 a month
can't play.but very ... Crying or Very sad
X5club
Where have download would of warcrat
deadswan
Any tips on quick lvling to lvl70+.....?
I'm currently lvl39 Hunter lol
lvl21 Druid
and lvl17 Priest lol
Oh yeah, and they are all Night Elves


Mr. Green
mrcool
have heard a news that a teenager collapses after playing 20 consecutive hours...
warriorpoets
Sounds like a real winner in life. Razz
missdixy
mrcool wrote:
have heard a news that a teenager collapses after playing 20 consecutive hours...


Sounds like the kid's problem, not the game's. He could have done this with any other game or obsession or whatever.

Anyway, I have:

lvl 73 blood elf priest
lvl 64 troll mage
lvl 60 blood elf hunter
lvl 65 blood elf paladin

on the server Thrall.
Lachrymose
I have been playing wow for over two years now. It is an awesome game, but i consider it to be unbeatable since they keep coming out with expansions. I have payed, altogether, around four hundred dollars or so and decided... the hell with it. I mean with two level 80's, three 70's and 2 level 60's all geared out for the most part...why waste anymore time. I decided to sell my account. However, it is illegal, according to blizzards terms, but i just didn't want to pay anymore... and i made my money back plus about fifty percent of what i payed for the game.

so, instead i am currently playing on a friends account helping him reach lvl 80 on a few toons and just relaxing and getting payed to do what i do best.. playing wow without paying 180 dollars per year and upwards.
youandmephotography
I'm sure that others are will agree with me when I say, WoW isn't challenging anymore.

If you played Pre Wotlk and Pre TBC, you'll remember when the game was balanced for PvP. There weren't kids who just lost every game of arena to be decked out in full purple, no, there were good players who were in full T.05, maybe T1 if they were good.

Purple has little to no meaning in the game today, it seems that everyone has some epic of some sort.

I haven't even played the expansion, simply because Blizzard wants you to spend more and more time to be "the best."

But I had a reality check, and I figured that I would never be the best on the server, no matter how much time I put in and how well I performed in raids, arenas, etc. There was always someone who had more time to play than I did.

IF there were a working PreTBC private server somewhere I might play that, since epics actually displayed that you were a skilled player back in the day.

Honestly, now that they've added an "instant level 55 death knight" feature, I fail to understand why someone who wanted to reroll would waste 2-5 days (/played) to level to 55.

And if you say the game is still challenging, good! I am just saying that for me, it became less and less enjoyable with more and more of the game being dependent on the quality of the gear of the player, and less of the build/skill.

Really, you are confined to be a certain build per class, if you want to be in the raids etc.
kriszara
Quote:
[quote="youandmephotography"]I'm sure that others are will agree with me when I say, WoW isn't challenging anymore.


Cut some of original post.

Quote:
I haven't even played the expansion, simply because Blizzard wants you to spend more and more time to be "the best."

But I had a reality check, and I figured that I would never be the best on the server, no matter how much time I put in and how well I performed in raids, arenas, etc. There was always someone who had more time to play than I did.



I hear this alot from people who have played WoW from the beginning. Blizzard has made some changes to make the game easier for the casual gamer, and shifted the focus away from PVP and endgame raiding.
You can even craft epic items now.
For me, WoW is as much about the journey as being the best on ther server. I am not a complete scrub, I have a level 80 resto druid and am leveling a tank. I enjoy the endgame raids and dungeons, but I also enjoy exploring the new areas, completing some of the more interesting quests and playing with my friends and family.
--DJ--Nemanja--
I have lvl 80 DK B-elf ofcours xD
kriszara
My guild is going to do our first Naxx run this weekend..Feb 7th. Any tips, tricks or warnings would be appreciated.
I will be healing with my Resto Druid. Our GM has gone on partial runs, but with his Shaman not his Prot Warrior.

Helios' edit: please use your signature space in your profile for signatures...
amperx
its a really great game, but yeah, Im not gonna say that its really gear reliant, since if he got that gear then he must've been really good in raids etc. i'd say its all in your effort, but no i can't play like others do though xd
coreymanshack
kriszara wrote:
My guild is going to do our first Naxx run this weekend..Feb 7th. Any tips, tricks or warnings would be appreciated.
I will be healing with my Resto Druid. Our GM has gone on partial runs, but with his Shaman not his Prot Warrior.


I'm a 25 man naxx tank, if you got any questions hit me up in private messages.
kriszara
Well our Naxx run was a bust.
We knew that we weren't really geared for it yet, but a guildie wanted to try it as part of his b-day party. We tried the first boss in the spider wing a couple of times with no luck so we went and did Obsidium Sanctum instead which was a blast.

Helios' edit: please use your signature space in your profile for signatures...
coreymanshack
kriszara wrote:
Well our Naxx run was a bust.
We knew that we weren't really geared for it yet, but a guildie wanted to try it as part of his b-day party. We tried the first boss in the spider wing a couple of times with no luck so we went and did Obsidium Sanctum instead which was a blast.



Do you know the strategy on anub-rekhan?
manlear
Yes i played blizz for 8 months... i have an 80 troll rogue 72 draeni dk 72 undead priest now.... and i am selling my acount... the game was just so addicting.... it made me want to play it all the time instead of going to a friends house or something.... so yeah.. im selling it....
Jamatu
If your're on EU Xavius (PvP) send me a PM and we'll meet up. If your a new player start on this server and i'll give you some tips!
Pengeszikra
I try wow on free version. My first character is undead assassin name: ExBard. Back story: He killed by some peasant because dont sing realy nice, and now he became hunted. When i meet the first quest, when need to snake into small village with full of peacefull farmer, I recognize this is the time to REVENGE!
Deathspawn989
I'd love this game if it had free service. I could shell out 39.99 to pay for the game, but the service, what is it, 9.99 a month? I've never played it, but I like Warcraft 3's service better. I'm just getting good at map making on there. If anyone sees an option for free service, then let me know, otherwise, Blizzard won't see any of my money for it.
Deathspawn989
I am actually becoming a fan of Fantasy Life on Warcraft 3. It is a very nice RPG map. It can be downloaded at www.fantasylife.ace.st
deadswan
deadswan wrote:

I'm currently lvl39 Hunter


I got it to lvl 60 then realised how boring I found it, so I no longer play

lol


Mr. Green
coreymanshack
Pengeszikra wrote:
I try wow on free version. My first character is undead assassin name: ExBard. Back story: He killed by some peasant because dont sing realy nice, and now he became hunted. When i meet the first quest, when need to snake into small village with full of peacefull farmer, I recognize this is the time to REVENGE!


The undead have a story already.
Denvis
I played it on Blizzard. Quiet expensive for a 16 year old kid. I actually played the game for about 1 +half I got about 3 maxed out characters. It wasn't until my last game card ran out i decided to quit. I was quiet addicted to it. Now I got too much free time lol.
Pengeszikra
In the new expansion the Druid how much tree can summon at lvl 80 ?
Rhemedyl
Pengeszikra wrote:
In the new expansion the Druid how much tree can summon at lvl 80 ?


As i know its still 3, like before, no changes about that.
themarine
There will be 2 levels of difficulty in each dungeon, the group leader chooses which one the group will do when they enter. Notable differences are a significant increase in HP, Armour and Resists, in addition to mobs/bosses having access to more adds and additional attacks (there also may be rare spawns in harder diff that aren;t there in normal). The main attraction will be that each difficulty setting will have different loot tables. So to get teh really good stuff you need to work for it.

I like this, if the difficulty is actually hard it will give the casual non-raider a challenge and allow them to potentially compete with raiders for gear.

As to jewel crafting... It's a matter of personal opinion. It will be important to have people who can make jewels in each guild, the sheer amount of customisation available from JC on the beta atm is startling. It will make a huge difference. Also jewel crafters are able to make a good amount on BoP Rings and necklaces.

At the end of the day it will be like enchanting imo. Nice to have, potential to be profitable, but only really useful as you don;t have to find other people to do the work for you.
anth0ny
Word of Warcraft is the biggest online RPG out there i played it for around 2 years and i couldnt anything that would simply replace it. maybe becase i am a previous warcraft game finatic Cool
for gamers that havent tried it i would recommend download the 14 day trial off the worldofwarcraft.com see how you go. cheers
Pengeszikra
I'm also start with 14 day trial.
missdixy
Anyone played both a hunter AND mage who can tell me which class is better/more fun to play? I currently havean 80 paladin and an 80 priest and two level 60's (a mage and hunter, which i got to that level through RAF so I haven't really played them much) and am debating which toon to level up next....any suggestions?
My7h
I just started playing on a private server with a bunch of my friends 3 weeks ago, i only have these characters

lvl 68 Rogue
lvl 50 warior
lvl 28 Rogue

They are all undead too btw Wink

P.S This is one of the best games ever, if not the best Wink
Maserman
My7h wrote:
I just started playing on a private server with a bunch of my friends 3 weeks ago, i only have these characters

lvl 68 Rogue
lvl 50 warior
lvl 28 Rogue

They are all undead too btw Wink

P.S This is one of the best games ever, if not the best Wink


If you say that while playing on provate server... Try the global one...
computerexpert09
I played this game for 5 years and it is by far my favorite game to play on the computer. Its worth the money because the graphics are so good. I like doing quests and leveling up people. But it takes a lot of time to get good gear =)
EximiusNero
I would have to disagree with you there computerexpert09, I don't think the WoW graphics are very good.

They're alright and some of the spell effects look cool but mostly they're not that great. Trees are particulary bad, they're just two 2d images connected perpendicularly. I tried out the Warhammer 10 day trial and oh man! The wolves in the game actually look like wolves!!

Anyways, I love the game, its great, the graphics aren't though.
Asis
Very nice game,been playing it for almost 8 months. I like all the thing u can do in it! i'm mostly pve player but when i'm not raiding i'm playing arena and battlegrounds! Real good game!
Tuvitor
I've always liked the art of WoW. It's not my favorite MMO, but it's pretty well put-together and well polished.
missdixy
deadswan wrote:
deadswan wrote:

I'm currently lvl39 Hunter


I got it to lvl 60 then realised how boring I found it, so I no longer play

lol


Mr. Green


The real point of WoW is endgame -- the raiding, arenas, battlegrounds, etc.
kriszara
Asis wrote:
Very nice game,been playing it for almost 8 months. I like all the thing u can do in it! i'm mostly pve player but when i'm not raiding i'm playing arena and battlegrounds! Real good game!

This is my favorite thing about WoW as well.
When I started playing I was all about the journey. I fished, I crafted, I collected vanity pets, and I really enjoyed exploring the new areas and quest lines.
Then I discovered raiding.
Doing the heroic dungeons and end-game raids is so much fun. A lot more challenging than questing or farming and with the right group of people it can be very social as well thanks to chat programs like Ventrilo.
Now I raid Naxx and Ulduar on my Resto Druid and goof around on my lvl 52 Warlock who will get to 80 someday so I can stand in the back and pew-pew for a change.
amperx
ive been playing wow for a year+ now, and really liked the experience, for me the quest and lore of warcraft is what made me like the game for real, and yeah, the feel when the boss is about to hit you real hard Very Happy
kriszara
amperx wrote:
ive been playing wow for a year+ now, and really liked the experience, for me the quest and lore of warcraft is what made me like the game for real, and yeah, the feel when the boss is about to hit you real hard Very Happy

You must be a Tank...LOL
Aredon
missdixy wrote:
deadswan wrote:
deadswan wrote:

I'm currently lvl39 Hunter


I got it to lvl 60 then realised how boring I found it, so I no longer play

lol


Mr. Green


The real point of WoW is endgame -- the raiding, arenas, battlegrounds, etc.

I don't know that I would consider battlegrounds or arena "end-game". They don't have much to do with the storyline, or are you considering them 'end-game' because they take place at level cap?
sum12nv
lol i might start playing ive been thinking about it.
chartcentral
I had fun with this 10-level Peggle World of Warcraft Edition from PopCap and Blizzard Entertainment. You can download it for free here.
kriszara
So there are new playable races coming out, plus revisiting the old world dungeons.
I am so excited about being able to play a Goblin.
missdixy
kriszara wrote:
So there are new playable races coming out, plus revisiting the old world dungeons.
I am so excited about being able to play a Goblin.


I want so bad to make a worgen but I am all-horde which means, goblin for me! Their racials sound pretty cool though so hopefully that'll help me get over the fact that they are so ugly Sad
Aredon
I don't know, worgen look pretty sick. I think you'd be silly to try and stick to one faction when they are removing that restriction from PvP servers. Why not play both sides? Cool
Roflcopter
played the trial dont really like it :/ takes like 20 years to get to lvl 10 T.T
gohgoh
ive been playing on my friends account, he has a paladin, priest and warlock and its really good, one of the best games Very Happy
and you can set parental controls on urself and it will kick u when u tell it to Wink
missdixy
gohgoh wrote:
and you can set parental controls on urself and it will kick u when u tell it to Wink


Haha I may just have to do that to myself now that I'm back in school!
Stolich
Aredon wrote:
missdixy wrote:
deadswan wrote:
deadswan wrote:

I'm currently lvl39 Hunter


I got it to lvl 60 then realised how boring I found it, so I no longer play

lol


Mr. Green


The real point of WoW is endgame -- the raiding, arenas, battlegrounds, etc.

I don't know that I would consider battlegrounds or arena "end-game". They don't have much to do with the storyline, or are you considering them 'end-game' because they take place at level cap?


Well I have to say endgame is the most fun part of WoW indeed, although I have good memories about the leveling as well. The leveling part was more like a challenge to me cause I had this urge to get to 70 (now 80). When I finally dinged I was a bit lost but then the fun begins: in the endgame its not about experience anymore but about gear. It's nice to get that sense of achievement when you down a boss with your friends.

Roflcopter wrote:

played the trial dont really like it :/ takes like 20 years to get to lvl 10 T.T
Lol, thats probably cause you get used to it. And if you're not in a guild leveling can be boring indeed cause you're all by yourself, but as you advance you get to know other players. Anyways your story is not as bad as that of a reporter here: he wrote an article about Wow and started playing it, literally took him a week to get to level 3! Surprised
amperx
Roflcopter wrote:

played the trial dont really like it :/ takes like 20 years to get to lvl 10 T.T


yes wow is really boring when your all by yourself, get a friend to go with leveling, even though your not in a guild, you get by joining guilds later, the gaming experience will seem worth it. Very Happy

I have to agree, the end game is where it all moves a notch up up, raiding (downing a very tough boss + your well earned reward.. great gear Very Happy), pvp(downing that irksome gnome or belf pally + and then /tar spit on them XD), achievements etc.
fullmetalalki
yah, private servers are a bit useless for having fun except if don't like the grind, which can be bad but it help to allow you to thoroughly enjoy and learn your class and find friends on an actual server. You can always sell your account if you don't want to continue with it and i've actually heard of some people making quite a bit of money in it. I've worked on plenty of private servers as a game master but most don't get out of production.

I'm going to start a forum to discuss wow and private servers and that kind of stuff. so, if anyone is interested, please join after you see a link. that'll mean it's ready Smile
smokey4life
Now for this game don't you also have to have a monthly subscription or something of that sort? I have heard so much about this game but STILL have never really checked it out.
Pengeszikra
Some times we don't have time to play WOW, special in free time at work place ( when boss can step behind at any moment ).
For this moments, i usual play with browser games. But hard to find some really useful one.
( I try to programming one of them, but that is different story, and i need learn a lot of about database and multiplayer game programming )
But I find a very charming browser based MMORPG, that is don't have very great graphics, but quite a good RPG.
Best part is many interesting skill, and tricky spell casting system, that is a littlebit same as in WOW becouse each skill and weapon use have repeat time.
That game name is Nodiatis. If you follow my link to there, then you can find me in that game same name as I use here: Pengeszikra
Stolich
smokey4life wrote:
Now for this game don't you also have to have a monthly subscription or something of that sort? I have heard so much about this game but STILL have never really checked it out.


Yeah its around 26 euros/30 dollars for 60 days, and that's pretty ok I think, when you go out you spend a lot more money! I played at a private server first but I decided to go on the official servers cause too many things were broken.
missdixy
smokey4life wrote:
Now for this game don't you also have to have a monthly subscription or something of that sort? I have heard so much about this game but STILL have never really checked it out.


Yes a subscription is required but it's totally worth it. Private servers are always a risk because in a second all of your progress can just be erased Sad So it's better to go with the official Blizzard servers.
missdixy
So...how's everyone liking 3.3 patch? Anyone done ICC yet?
smokey4life
And around how much does these subscriptions cost you? Im so tired of CoD and all these same style of games i might actually go ahead and buy it Very Happy
Stolich
missdixy wrote:
So...how's everyone liking 3.3 patch? Anyone done ICC yet?


I've only done the four first bosses so far due to exams. I found these where a bit too easy, but I heard/read the second wing posed a bit more problems for guilds. Anyway gonna try to get back in the game now. Smile

Quote:
And around how much does these subscriptions cost you? Im so tired of CoD and all these same style of games i might actually go ahead and buy it Very Happy


29 dollar/27 euros for two months. You might find that much but its a lot cheaper than going out and WoW is ideal for filling up time if (e.g. if you're a student and you don't have a lot of class). Its worth paying cause you private servers are bugged too much.
missdixy
Stolich wrote:
missdixy wrote:
So...how's everyone liking 3.3 patch? Anyone done ICC yet?


I've only done the four first bosses so far due to exams. I found these where a bit too easy, but I heard/read the second wing posed a bit more problems for guilds. Anyway gonna try to get back in the game now. Smile


I've been up to Festergut on my main toon with my guild and really it's been pretty fun to try some new bosses finally. I was getting sick of Ulduar and Nax! I'm also sort of taking a break this week for exams and papers (midterms) and of course my guild is actually going to extend raid times this week to try to get to rotface and on. Sigh!
Denvis
Gahh! Got hacked 5 - 6 months ago, 3 level 80s all epics. It was when T7.5 was still the best gear. Lock, Druid, Pally. Man those were fun days. Playing with the mates doing 5s.
Eskapismus
Got a level 80 Shadow Priest ( full epic, some rare mounts, was even in the top 10 of the priests on my realm, but hey, not to brag xD ) but got bored and Shadow Priest suck so hard concerning DPS in raids. Well.. that's why I started a faceroll paladin now Razz he is lvl 55 now but I'm trying to get him to the level cap as fast as possible Smile

Anyone else playing on Nazjatar or Azshara (DE) ? =)
Tomek_UCR
NIEZŁĄ GRA ACZKOLWIEK LEPSZY BYŁBY COUNTER
missdixy
Eskapismus wrote:
Got a level 80 Shadow Priest ( full epic, some rare mounts, was even in the top 10 of the priests on my realm, but hey, not to brag xD ) but got bored and Shadow Priest suck so hard concerning DPS in raids. Well.. that's why I started a faceroll paladin now Razz he is lvl 55 now but I'm trying to get him to the level cap as fast as possible Smile


I have no idea what you're referring to! Ever since the shadow priest buff a few patches back, their DPS is totally raid-viable now. Perhaps your spec/rotation/gems/etc. are incorrect?
Eskapismus
missdixy wrote:
Eskapismus wrote:
Got a level 80 Shadow Priest ( full epic, some rare mounts, was even in the top 10 of the priests on my realm, but hey, not to brag xD ) but got bored and Shadow Priest suck so hard concerning DPS in raids. Well.. that's why I started a faceroll paladin now Razz he is lvl 55 now but I'm trying to get him to the level cap as fast as possible Smile


I have no idea what you're referring to! Ever since the shadow priest buff a few patches back, their DPS is totally raid-viable now. Perhaps your spec/rotation/gems/etc. are incorrect?


Unfortunatly no..
I've read the "For The Horde"-Guide about shadowpriests, borwsed shadowpriest.com regualry and know how to play. The problem with shadow priests is that you need PERFECT gear, meaning if you have a little bit to much hase, your rotation is screwed, a little bit to much hit, your damage sux. Not enough of those? Your damage and rotation is ****** up.
God I hate this class so much...

Btw, my paladin is lvl 80 now and it is soo ****** easy. As DDs and tanks they are so ****** OP <3
missdixy
Eskapismus wrote:
missdixy wrote:
Eskapismus wrote:
Got a level 80 Shadow Priest ( full epic, some rare mounts, was even in the top 10 of the priests on my realm, but hey, not to brag xD ) but got bored and Shadow Priest suck so hard concerning DPS in raids. Well.. that's why I started a faceroll paladin now Razz he is lvl 55 now but I'm trying to get him to the level cap as fast as possible Smile


I have no idea what you're referring to! Ever since the shadow priest buff a few patches back, their DPS is totally raid-viable now. Perhaps your spec/rotation/gems/etc. are incorrect?


Unfortunatly no..
I've read the "For The Horde"-Guide about shadowpriests, borwsed shadowpriest.com regualry and know how to play. The problem with shadow priests is that you need PERFECT gear, meaning if you have a little bit to much hase, your rotation is screwed, a little bit to much hit, your damage sux. Not enough of those? Your damage and rotation is ****** up.
God I hate this class so much...

Btw, my paladin is lvl 80 now and it is soo ****** easy. As DDs and tanks they are so ****** OP <3



Hmmm, I guess it's different for everyone! I actually do pretty good on my shadow priest even though her gear isn't the greatest and isn't perfectly itemized. I have a bit too much hit and my haste isn't as much as it needs to be. Ideally, she'd have perfectly-itemized gear in order to have the best dps possible on her but it's the same with a lot of classes. For instance, my mage has a bit too much hit atm and not enough haste but she's still good damage, even though she could be doing a bit more if all the stats were distrubuted how I want them to be.
Eskapismus
missdixy wrote:
Eskapismus wrote:
missdixy wrote:
Eskapismus wrote:
Got a level 80 Shadow Priest ( full epic, some rare mounts, was even in the top 10 of the priests on my realm, but hey, not to brag xD ) but got bored and Shadow Priest suck so hard concerning DPS in raids. Well.. that's why I started a faceroll paladin now Razz he is lvl 55 now but I'm trying to get him to the level cap as fast as possible Smile


I have no idea what you're referring to! Ever since the shadow priest buff a few patches back, their DPS is totally raid-viable now. Perhaps your spec/rotation/gems/etc. are incorrect?


Unfortunatly no..
I've read the "For The Horde"-Guide about shadowpriests, borwsed shadowpriest.com regualry and know how to play. The problem with shadow priests is that you need PERFECT gear, meaning if you have a little bit to much hase, your rotation is screwed, a little bit to much hit, your damage sux. Not enough of those? Your damage and rotation is ****** up.
God I hate this class so much...

Btw, my paladin is lvl 80 now and it is soo ****** easy. As DDs and tanks they are so ****** OP <3



Hmmm, I guess it's different for everyone! I actually do pretty good on my shadow priest even though her gear isn't the greatest and isn't perfectly itemized. I have a bit too much hit and my haste isn't as much as it needs to be. Ideally, she'd have perfectly-itemized gear in order to have the best dps possible on her but it's the same with a lot of classes. For instance, my mage has a bit too much hit atm and not enough haste but she's still good damage, even though she could be doing a bit more if all the stats were distrubuted how I want them to be.


Well yeah, let's just say before patch 3.3 came out I was in the top10 of the best equipped priests at my realm and did not deal more dmg than a emblem-equipped rogue/warlock/pala. (I was not even able to break the 7kDPS border). Why? Because I got to much haste and hit.

I'm glad it works better for you though.
mukesh
In patch 3.3.2 Priest is a good dps then lock or pala or any other?
pscompanies
It are emulators yeh, and well yeh, blizzard can even care less about them. Just try them out and you'll see why... They just don't offer WOW... They give you a huge map and extreme lag, that's it. The most populated private servers I've seen got like 150 players on it at once and crash like every 10 minutes due to instability.

They are absolutely nothing compared to the official servers.
missdixy
Anyone here get a beta key? If so, how are you liking it! Anything fun you wanna share?
Pengeszikra
3 years ago I play WOW in a free server. But now i try again the trial version. I see the mob use much more skills than free version. Have any one experienced, what is the difference between free and payed version?
granvals
thanks to share, it is a great game,also and very classics.
Pengeszikra
Wrong part of WOW is too much time need to spend for that game. From other view, this game can be make a good time to me.
Pengeszikra
Last week i have a little time to play again with WOW. I decided to explore this game again, and try to answer why so successfully? The answer is the profession game experience, and the charming world: Azeroth. Pluss very good class selection. Each cast have really unique game feeling. I'm start with ExDalnok - undead rouge at 3 years ago in a trial and after free server. I remember that time i hate the warrior rage system. After rouge, i change to durid on a high experience server. Druid have really good all around class. I special like the summon treants and fight in monkin form, this give a very bestial feeling, completely different feeling, than any previous computer based RPG game give.

Now i try fighter cast again, and full surprise me i like them. Special the charge skill is very usefully.
But my next favorite class is the hunter - i never tried before. I know my limit is lvl20 so i would like made a ranger who is evenly good in meele and range fight. Of course in range fight is faare better, but in close range is can made some surprises.

Now i decide don't run on a RPG server - for that is need a longer gaming, on the contrary select a PVP server. So i will jump into battleground, and this way is fare better worth than a lone quest solving. Between two days, i will jump to 14 to 20 .. many times spend on 19. That level is great for low level fighting in battlefield.

My character is the heroic Bozak, and her animal company - i try many animals, very interesting.
Just don't know at which level get the pet her first talent point?

Also great surprise to me, when i check my character on [url = http://eu.wowarmory.com]eu.wowarmory.com[/url] and i found it :




In this page any one can be found his/her character, and take-look in 3D, even meanwhile of animation, great work.
Pengeszikra
I continue the WOW exploration with a new trial character -
ExBarbie
I would like try the warlock cast. This class give a lot of surprise to me. First is at 4th level he get a Imp. This little demon look useless in first take-look, but he is really worth.
If would like leveling fast to 6, don't need to running through a map with a couple of quest. Just get a good farming position, where we found a lot of 2-4 level mobs. A single spell just hit a mob, and left of work just give to imp. He finish it. Meanwhile I can select new target. This method give a fare speedy monster farming at low level, than any other class can do it, and don't need any special items for that.
And this is also good for warlock, because other class is need really better item to work well.
Pengeszikra
I switch back to free server, and realised this is a fare worst than trial. Possible i need to buy WOW. One thing is sad to don't: i don't have too much free time to play. Real difference is don't work the low level battleground, and dungeon finder. This is the two really good impprovement.
Pengeszikra
Now I decide to stop the WOW playing for a couple of time again. I recognize this game have awesome large content. Many-many places where i don't explored. But a few week later possible i continue the exploration. I would like finish before Cataclysm is change the world forever.

I have question: if i would like play ( near alone ) at high rated server, where character have very overpower items, which class is the best for solo playing?
missdixy
Pengeszikra wrote:
Now I decide to stop the WOW playing for a couple of time again. I recognize this game have awesome large content. Many-many places where i don't explored. But a few week later possible i continue the exploration. I would like finish before Cataclysm is change the world forever.

I have question: if i would like play ( near alone ) at high rated server, where character have very overpower items, which class is the best for solo playing?


Hunters are pretty good for solo playing. If you level as survival, your pet pretty much serves as your tank and you just stand back and shoot things. They're definitely OP when it comes to leveling!
Pengeszikra
Thanks MissDixy, for answer.

My next character is a Blood Elf Paladin on a highrate server, where i get a really great equipment at lvl15, so i reach lvl66 really fast. Can be faster if i know good fighting places. But my time to play is very-very limited.
missdixy
Patch 4.0.1 is here!!! Less than two months until cataclysm - Ahhh, so many changes! Is anybody really liking the changes to a particular class? or hating? I am loving the mage changes! and the warrior ones! Hooray for no longer being raged-starved...
amperx
is it true that the nerf on rogues in cataclysm is really bad?? i would've wanted to continue on my orc rogue T_T, since the improved axe mastery covers maces as well
amperx
Pengeszikra wrote:
Thanks MissDixy, for answer.

My next character is a Blood Elf Paladin on a highrate server, where i get a really great equipment at lvl15, so i reach lvl66 really fast. Can be faster if i know good fighting places. But my time to play is very-very limited.


usually leveling as paladin is very easy, if you notice, youll just have to look for lvl places where mobs spawn close to each other, then you can just lure them in and push the magic macro for palas XD
missdixy
amperx wrote:
is it true that the nerf on rogues in cataclysm is really bad?? i would've wanted to continue on my orc rogue T_T, since the improved axe mastery covers maces as well


I'm not in the Cata beta so i'm not sure exactly where rogues stand at right now, but I wouldn't be too too worried. After a new expansion or major patch there is always a lot of class balancing that takes in the weeks and months thereafter. But the way I see it, if you like your rogue and have fun with him, then play him!
missdixy
amperx wrote:
Pengeszikra wrote:
Thanks MissDixy, for answer.

My next character is a Blood Elf Paladin on a highrate server, where i get a really great equipment at lvl15, so i reach lvl66 really fast. Can be faster if i know good fighting places. But my time to play is very-very limited.


usually leveling as paladin is very easy, if you notice, youll just have to look for lvl places where mobs spawn close to each other, then you can just lure them in and push the magic macro for palas XD


Right now most classes (rogues excluded, haha) are pretty overpowered and easy to level. Warriors used to be such a bitch to level but now they have an ability that can heal them (victory rush!). My warrior is level 60 and I can usually take 3-4 mobs of my level at the same time and end up with full life. It's great Very Happy Also, I think come Cata, rogues will be getting a similar thing for leveling (that heals them). They might have already gotten it with the recent patch too, not sure.
Pengeszikra
Ohh i see new features already done in WOW, this time is so exciting. I love to look this before catastrophe feeling. All corners have a prophet and say end is near.

Blizzard have right on track with this expansion i think.

Yes some class more playable at low level. Hunter is start with animal is a good feature, many casual player is like this modification.

Skills/talent also much clearer than before.

So WOW is good way to stay on top.

I hate only one thing, i don't have time, and some time also would like to be younger.
Pengeszikra
I play a couple of trial game in WOW, and this time is really fun. Each class is changed so much. Talent skill selection also nice one. Good to don't need do quest to reach cat form with druid example. But hunter not so strong in Warsong at lvl 19 as before. Also don't get multishoot at lvl 19. So i think start of game is well balanced. And don't need a frustrated time to reach few level.

At capital city of taurian many times arrive couple of high level air elemental. Keep watch for that. Easy kill low level character, so spirit need a great walk.

Also nice improvement the Back to graveyard button. If someone lost in "space" this is really helpful.
Pengeszikra
Oh i forget, druid thorn is work fare better than previous one, special against horde of low level enemy. Don't need do other just heal self and watch he is die.
missdixy
Pengeszikra wrote:
I play a couple of trial game in WOW, and this time is really fun. Each class is changed so much. Talent skill selection also nice one. Good to don't need do quest to reach cat form with druid example. But hunter not so strong in Warsong at lvl 19 as before. Also don't get multishoot at lvl 19. So i think start of game is well balanced. And don't need a frustrated time to reach few level.

At capital city of taurian many times arrive couple of high level air elemental. Keep watch for that. Easy kill low level character, so spirit need a great walk.


The elemental invasion happens in Orgrimmar (Orc city) and Thunder Bluff (Tauren city) randomly (?) throughout the day. It's an event leading up to Cataclysm, and it unlocks special temporary bosses (with very good loot) for higher-level characters! Cataclysm is almost here, and leveling will be even more easy and fun than before!!! They COMPLETELY changed the 1-60 level experience and it's just sooooooooooo much better now.
amperx
missdixy wrote:
Pengeszikra wrote:
I play a couple of trial game in WOW, and this time is really fun. Each class is changed so much. Talent skill selection also nice one. Good to don't need do quest to reach cat form with druid example. But hunter not so strong in Warsong at lvl 19 as before. Also don't get multishoot at lvl 19. So i think start of game is well balanced. And don't need a frustrated time to reach few level.

At capital city of taurian many times arrive couple of high level air elemental. Keep watch for that. Easy kill low level character, so spirit need a great walk.


The elemental invasion happens in Orgrimmar (Orc city) and Thunder Bluff (Tauren city) randomly (?) throughout the day. It's an event leading up to Cataclysm, and it unlocks special temporary bosses (with very good loot) for higher-level characters! Cataclysm is almost here, and leveling will be even more easy and fun than before!!! They COMPLETELY changed the 1-60 level experience and it's just sooooooooooo much better now.


well i guess i should continue leveling my orc rogue then lol, i havent logged on wow lately, have to catch up really fast! so your saying theres an invasion already going on prior to cata release huh, this is a very exciting ecent! Very Happy Very Happy
Pengeszikra
After Cataclysm each character start from level 1 ?
rudrabarbosa
world of warcraft seems like an amazing game but i cant afford to keep paying every month...by the way how much does it cost for you every month?
Pengeszikra
Wow! Now world is changed! I fall, becouse be a ptp. I don't know how found a good Server ?
Pengeszikra
I think this is very usefull. Level range also changed.

Pengeszikra
missdixy
Those maps are pretty useful, but keep in mind that if you visit the bulletin boards in the major cities you will see quests directing you to a new zone when you're in the level range of that zone. It's actually super easy now to know where to go!
mugundhan
IceAgeD wrote:
Old Times!!!

I played this good game for 6 months and I don't play on Blizzard...

Someone here played on Blizz yet?

i will play in garena
mukesh
Pengeszikra wrote:
Wow! Now world is changed! I fall, becouse be a ptp. I don't know how found a good Server ?



Dude i am currently playing on Molten-wow try on this server maybe i think you like it.
mukesh
Guys i have a 80 lvl warrior. about 5.5 k gs mixed with pvp and pve. but I have items pvp and pve 5K - 5K gs +. I was to make complete pvp on my character. I cant understand which gems i put on socket. My wow patch version 3.5.5a

If someone have idea then give me advice please.
foumy6
cata is amazing!
drunkenkoz
I actually played Cataclysm for a month and a half. I enjoyed it a lot but my server was failing at progression compared to others. Since I didn't have the money to transfer my 85 I just canceled my subscription and quit the game. I didn't really enjoying wiping on magmaw like 80 times in one night spending thousands of gold in repairs alone. I must of went through at least 3,500 gold on just flasks, food, and repairs in weeks time. The game was also a downer because they reverted back to the old style of World of Warcraft where progression is meant to be hard, but what they didn't account for was their fail random dungeon queues getting matched up with people who were constantly either botting, really bad at their class, or not trying to do anything.
missdixy
drunkenkoz wrote:
they reverted back to the old style of World of Warcraft where progression is meant to be hard, but what they didn't account for was their fail random dungeon queues getting matched up with people who were constantly either botting, really bad at their class, or not trying to do anything.


That's typically how expansions are at the beginning....I mean, the beginning of an expansion really is tailored more for good/hardcore, and then, as the weeks go by and they introduce patches and hotfixes etc., they begin to tailor it a bit more for casual and not-so-good players.

Heroics at first were very hard. A lot of people failed at them. Now, however, they've gotten a bit easier (due to some class buffs and some heroic nerfs).
drunkenkoz
missdixy wrote:
drunkenkoz wrote:
they reverted back to the old style of World of Warcraft where progression is meant to be hard, but what they didn't account for was their fail random dungeon queues getting matched up with people who were constantly either botting, really bad at their class, or not trying to do anything.


That's typically how expansions are at the beginning....I mean, the beginning of an expansion really is tailored more for good/hardcore, and then, as the weeks go by and they introduce patches and hotfixes etc., they begin to tailor it a bit more for casual and not-so-good players.

Heroics at first were very hard. A lot of people failed at them. Now, however, they've gotten a bit easier (due to some class buffs and some heroic nerfs).

Well I'm not planning on going back to World of Warcraft any time soon. Being off the game actually gives me a lot more time for myself. I don't have to worry about raiding for hours on end, always showing up for a raid, and guild drama.
foumy6
I've been so bored because my laptop is being used by a friend for a couple weeks and i cant get on wow and so my sisters boyfriend keeps rubbing it in that he can still get on and i can't.
drunkenkoz
foumy6 wrote:
I've been so bored because my laptop is being used by a friend for a couple weeks and i cant get on wow and so my sisters boyfriend keeps rubbing it in that he can still get on and i can't.
Basically what you're telling us is to feel sorry for you? Why don't you ask your friend to give your laptop back to you. Maybe then you can get back on World of Warcraft.
scray
Can't say I was too happy with cataclysm : (
drunkenkoz
scray wrote:
Can't say I was too happy with cataclysm : (

The whole point of cataclysm was to bring back the experience that the old players had in vanilla. It was a dramatic change to the players who are new to the game and aren't use to heroics being that challenging. I can say first hand, cataclysm is a hard game to progress through. All your players have to be focused in order for things to work out.
missdixy
drunkenkoz wrote:
scray wrote:
Can't say I was too happy with cataclysm : (

I can say first hand, cataclysm is a hard game to progress through. All your players have to be focused in order for things to work out.


Only for a while though, at least in terms of heroics. For the most part they are do-able now even if you don't have a very focused/organized group. The raids are still somewhat difficult though. Can't wait fore Firelands!!!
drunkenkoz
missdixy wrote:
drunkenkoz wrote:
scray wrote:
Can't say I was too happy with cataclysm : (

I can say first hand, cataclysm is a hard game to progress through. All your players have to be focused in order for things to work out.


Only for a while though, at least in terms of heroics. For the most part they are do-able now even if you don't have a very focused/organized group. The raids are still somewhat difficult though. Can't wait fore Firelands!!!

I was planning on trying to get back into World of Warcraft, but I don't have the time and money at the moment. I'm excited that they are adding new continents to the game still. Can't wait till they release Deathwing.
missdixy
drunkenkoz wrote:
missdixy wrote:
drunkenkoz wrote:
scray wrote:
Can't say I was too happy with cataclysm : (

I can say first hand, cataclysm is a hard game to progress through. All your players have to be focused in order for things to work out.


Only for a while though, at least in terms of heroics. For the most part they are do-able now even if you don't have a very focused/organized group. The raids are still somewhat difficult though. Can't wait fore Firelands!!!

I was planning on trying to get back into World of Warcraft, but I don't have the time and money at the moment. I'm excited that they are adding new continents to the game still. Can't wait till they release Deathwing.


Patch 4.2 will bring The Firelands!! I'm really looking forward to this raid. Has anyone seen the T12 yet? The druid one looks ridiculous!
drunkenkoz
missdixy wrote:
drunkenkoz wrote:
missdixy wrote:
drunkenkoz wrote:
scray wrote:
Can't say I was too happy with cataclysm : (

I can say first hand, cataclysm is a hard game to progress through. All your players have to be focused in order for things to work out.


Only for a while though, at least in terms of heroics. For the most part they are do-able now even if you don't have a very focused/organized group. The raids are still somewhat difficult though. Can't wait fore Firelands!!!

I was planning on trying to get back into World of Warcraft, but I don't have the time and money at the moment. I'm excited that they are adding new continents to the game still. Can't wait till they release Deathwing.


Patch 4.2 will bring The Firelands!! I'm really looking forward to this raid. Has anyone seen the T12 yet? The druid one looks ridiculous!

Yeah, they're also offering everyone that isn't currently subscribed a 7 day trial that includes all the features of the game. It's pretty good way to get us addicted again. I know I'm going to be trying out all the new content and PvPing on my druid.
missdixy
drunkenkoz wrote:
missdixy wrote:
drunkenkoz wrote:
missdixy wrote:
drunkenkoz wrote:
scray wrote:
Can't say I was too happy with cataclysm : (

I can say first hand, cataclysm is a hard game to progress through. All your players have to be focused in order for things to work out.


Only for a while though, at least in terms of heroics. For the most part they are do-able now even if you don't have a very focused/organized group. The raids are still somewhat difficult though. Can't wait fore Firelands!!!

I was planning on trying to get back into World of Warcraft, but I don't have the time and money at the moment. I'm excited that they are adding new continents to the game still. Can't wait till they release Deathwing.


Patch 4.2 will bring The Firelands!! I'm really looking forward to this raid. Has anyone seen the T12 yet? The druid one looks ridiculous!

Yeah, they're also offering everyone that isn't currently subscribed a 7 day trial that includes all the features of the game. It's pretty good way to get us addicted again. I know I'm going to be trying out all the new content and PvPing on my druid.


Nice, if you're planning to re-sub you should let me toss a resurrection scroll your way.
missdixy
Hooray, Firelands (patch 4.2) is finally out!!! What's everyone's favorite thing that the patch brought???


(Seriously beginning to wonder if frihost is like the one place online with zero/almost no WoW players!!!!)
Aredon
Oh there's plenty of WoW players I'm sure Razz. I'd like to say I'm enjoying firelands, but it feels like it was entirely designed to be annoying. :/
missdixy
Aredon wrote:
Oh there's plenty of WoW players I'm sure Razz. I'd like to say I'm enjoying firelands, but it feels like it was entirely designed to be annoying. :/


Haha. I didn't mind the quests so much at first, until I unlocked the second set of quests and I hate those! The druid of the talon ones are just SUCH A PAIN!

As for the raid itself....aghhh. It definitely seems annoying to me as well. I don't like big open spaces like that with adds everywhere. I'm also not a huge fan of firey scenes like Molten Core etc., and it's well..Firelands...so it's firey...super firey, yea..
missdixy
Ahhh. who is ready for the pandas??? why is this thread always so dead i know there's gotta be a ton of wow players on frihost!!!!

but anyway, i am totally read to play a pandarin!!!!! and a monk, too. what is everyone looking forward to the most about the new expansion??

also, has anyone else signed up for the 'contract' that comes with free diablo III and wow beta access??
ricardooliveira
I`ve played WoW since 2007 and i quit 1 month ago. I cant wait for Diablo III though!
Tempeleanu
I played on Blizz real Sylvanas. Played for 1 year.
Tempeleanu
You should try wow-one. It's a pretbc server like old blizz.
m-productions
Some really good MoP information is coming out tomorrow. Also four videos and some pictures seem to have been leaked around the web.

Looking pretty good imo
ujjawall
someone can tell me how i can install the new series of world of warcraft-mists of pandaria Question
memno
memorable moment:

pvp attack against the Horde main-base. (can't remember the name of the place)
BUT:
there was a 10-player raid when i was online.
i hid in a building, sending my minion in intervals to attack the Ally healer... every time they caught on to where my fire minion was running out from (the building) they sent a rogue, but they never found me. I always found a blind spot outside the building to tuck into, and they never found me. Once their rogue left, i jumped back into the building and re-located my minion to their healer once again, watching it run out the window and stop a bit away from its target and shoot its fireballs until the rogue was sent out once again... 5 or more times this happened, and I was never found out. Always found this little nook outside the building... pure comedy seeing the defeated rogue look around and finding nothing. I still laugh thinking about it.
Tuvitor
I'm thinking of picking this up again, but starting fresh. I have some characters in their 30's or so from the Burning Crusade days, but I ended up getting sidetracked by LotRO, Rift, and SWTOR... now that SWTOR and LotRO have both failed, died, and gone to p2p hell, I need something to do when I get that MMO itch. I tend to think of my playstyle as "high functioning casual" -- I like to raid maybe one night a week, and I usually get one or two capped characters in a given MMO, but I'm not one of those people who lives in the raids...

I don't even remember my old account name, and it's not the same as my Blizzard/Battlenet account anyways... soooooo... yeah I'll have to start fresh.
luciferfawkes
Tuvitor wrote:
I'm thinking of picking this up again, but starting fresh. I have some characters in their 30's or so from the Burning Crusade days, but I ended up getting sidetracked by LotRO, Rift, and SWTOR... now that SWTOR and LotRO have both failed, died, and gone to p2p hell, I need something to do when I get that MMO itch. I tend to think of my playstyle as "high functioning casual" -- I like to raid maybe one night a week, and I usually get one or two capped characters in a given MMO, but I'm not one of those people who lives in the raids...

I don't even remember my old account name, and it's not the same as my Blizzard/Battlenet account anyways... soooooo... yeah I'll have to start fresh.


Well, if that's your style, Blizzard introduced a Looking For Raid feature. You just Q up and get in and do what you want with 24 other random people. Everyone gets a bag from each boss kill that may obtain an item. I just got back into the game after a 3 year break, I'm enjoying my time back.
senolsenolx
$20 a month crazy Very Happy
testsoc
Tuvitor wrote:
I'm thinking of picking this up again, but starting fresh. I have some characters in their 30's or so from the Burning Crusade days, but I ended up getting sidetracked by LotRO, Rift, and SWTOR... now that SWTOR and LotRO have both failed, died, and gone to p2p hell, I need something to do when I get that MMO itch. I tend to think of my playstyle as "high functioning casual" -- I like to raid maybe one night a week, and I usually get one or two capped characters in a given MMO, but I'm not one of those people who lives in the raids...

I don't even remember my old account name, and it's not the same as my Blizzard/Battlenet account anyways... soooooo... yeah I'll have to start fresh.


I would't necessarily say that LOTRO has failed. I've picked it up again recently and there's still a lot of free content available that I find to be very entertaining. The book quests, for me the key reason to play, are well done, and with the new Rohan expansion I think it's worth a second look.
Sabbadon
Hi, I'm still playing on an italian shard - no blizzard as i can't afford it.
I played all Diablo and Warcraft sagas before.. I waited for diablo 3 for ages and .. bah.. I tried it but it seems to me an isometric WoW, less funny
limpands
World of Warcraft sucks. Haaaa G*********yyyyy.
RosenCruz
Always wanted to play WoW. Expansions did come and go, game became popular and not so popular by time. Now I believe I am too old play this stuff Confused
KiraMuller
Like PVE WoW
But now there is no time to play Sad
76spiderman76
I returned to one F2P server (panda) and it still fun to play Razz
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