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OMG! Pres Clinton and the NSA Eavesdropped on US Calls!

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S3nd K3ys


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Sunday, Dec. 18, 2005 10:10 p.m. EST

Clinton NSA Eavesdropped on U.S. Calls

During the 1990's under President Clinton, the National Security Agency monitored millions of private phone calls placed by U.S. citizens and citizens of other countries under a super secret program code-named Echelon.

On Friday, the New York Times suggested that the Bush administration has instituted "a major shift in American intelligence-gathering practices" when it "secretly authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on Americans and others inside the United States to search for evidence of terrorist activity without [obtaining] court-approved warrants."

But in fact, the NSA had been monitoring private domestic telephone conversations on a much larger scale throughout the 1990s - all of it done without a court order, let alone a catalyst like the 9/11 attacks.

In February 2000, for instance, CBS "60 Minutes" correspondent Steve Kroft introduced a report on the Clinton-era spy program by noting:

"If you made a phone call today or sent an e-mail to a friend, there's a good chance what you said or wrote was captured and screened by the country's largest intelligence agency. The top-secret Global Surveillance Network is called Echelon, and it's run by the National Security Agency."

NSA computers, said Kroft, "capture virtually every electronic conversation around the world."

Echelon expert Mike Frost, who spent 20 years as a spy for the Canadian equivalent of the National Security Agency, told "60 Minutes" that the agency was monitoring "everything from data transfers to cell phones to portable phones to baby monitors to ATMs."

Mr. Frost detailed activities at one unidentified NSA installation, telling "60 Minutes" that agency operators "can listen in to just about anything" - while Echelon computers screen phone calls for key words that might indicate a terrorist threat.



http://www.newsmax.com/scripts/printer_friendly.pl?page=http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/18/221452.shtml

It must be GW's fault!

lib
Geez, S3nd, talk about paranoid defending of your idol-president Bush. You start this thread about how Clinton did it... so why can't Bush?. Talk about hypocrisy. On the one hand, you start a few million threads criticizing the "lieberals"/Democrats, and then you justify the Republican President's actions by saying that the "lieberals" did it? Way to go.

To be honest, this seems like a pathetic attempt to defend Bush. On the one hand, you compare his actions to the Democrats and try to justify them, and to top it off, you start another thread about how crappy the NYT is and how it's "pro-terrorists" Rolling Eyes, and all that from a strictly Conservative Republican website, which, probably like you, can't stand the fact that Bush is in the wrong here.

Actually, I didn't want to start another Bush-bashing thread. Some people already have the right impression about him, and others (*cough*) just refuse to accept any criticism of him.

The thing is that Bush himself approved the eavesdropping on more than 30 occassions, and you can't defend that by saying that the Democrats or the "lieberals" did it too! But don't believe me, believe him:
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I've re-authorised this program more than 30 times since the September the 11th attacks, and I intend to do so for so long as the nation faces the continuing threat of an enemy that wants to kill our American citizens," - 'GW'


And more:
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"My personal opinion is it was a shameful act for someone to disclose this very important program in time of war,"

Or maybe it was just shameful that this information was released to the public when the Patriot Act was due to be renewed, which subsequently, it did not get.

And some more fun:
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US officials including the president struggled to explain why he needed an alternative to the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which requires court approval of wiretaps and electronic surveillance.


"We need to connect the dots before the enemy attacks, not after," he said as he brushed off a congressional outcry and calls for an investigation into the initiative's legality, saying he had acted within his wartime powers.

Oh, and don't tell me that Bush passes on all this collected intelligence dutifully to the Congress.

Source : http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Bush-vows-to-pursue-spying-on-Americans/2005/12/20/1135032002287.html
Source : http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2005/12/bush-acknowledges-approving-secret.php

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S3nd K3ys
Newsmax wrote:
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi confessed late Saturday that she signed off on President Bush's decision to have a top intelligence agency conduct "unspecified activities" to gather intelligence on possible terrorists operating inside the U.S. in the wake of the 9/11 attacks.

"I was advised of President Bush's decision to provide authority to the National Security Agency to conduct unspecified activities shortly after he made it and have been provided with updates on several occasions," Pelosi admitted.

The San Francisco Democrat claimed she expressed "strong concerns" about the "unspecified activities" at the time, but offered no evidence to that effect.

Pelosi declined to explain why she didn't make public her concerns about the authorization, which Democrats now say was an outrageous abuse of civil rights.


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/18/125959.shtml


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Impeach bush!
Impeach bush!
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nevermind.



Why am I not surprised? Chris Wallace had to pull teeth to force Harry Reid to admit that he too was briefed on NSA. He hardly admitted it when he swung into, "It's entirely the President's plan." When pushed further Reid was forced to say that he wants the person that leaked this information to the NY Times prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
lib
S3nd K3ys wrote:
Newsmax wrote:
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi confessed late Saturday that she signed off on President Bush's decision to have a top intelligence agency conduct "unspecified activities" to gather intelligence on possible terrorists operating inside the U.S. in the wake of the 9/11 attacks.

"I was advised of President Bush's decision to provide authority to the National Security Agency to conduct unspecified activities shortly after he made it and have been provided with updates on several occasions," Pelosi admitted.

The San Francisco Democrat claimed she expressed "strong concerns" about the "unspecified activities" at the time, but offered no evidence to that effect.

Pelosi declined to explain why she didn't make public her concerns about the authorization, which Democrats now say was an outrageous abuse of civil rights.


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/18/125959.shtml


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Impeach bush!
Impeach bush!
Impeac...............................................
nevermind.



Why am I not surprised? Chris Wallace had to pull teeth to force Harry Reid to admit that he too was briefed on NSA. He hardly admitted it when he swung into, "It's entirely the President's plan." When pushed further Reid was forced to say that he wants the person that leaked this information to the NY Times prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Yet more blasting of the Democrats?
So a couple of Democrats knowing in advance justifies the fact that Bush approved of this eavesdropping?
But tell me... finally, it requires the president's approval for these activities, doesn't it? And did he not give it?

By the way, I see you're still trying your age-old tactic of trying to tick me off by pretending I'm a lib. Way to go! Keep that up! It'll get you places.
S3nd K3ys
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gonzo
Clinton used the NSA to harass people? no way

Bush enabled the NSA to catch terrorists? oh no
i_am_mine
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Oh by the way, Bush did not catch any terrorists with the help of his illegal communications tappings.Not liberal news sources - that's official.

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yokonative
What the crap is wrong with you people. OK..so you whine becuase your preciious right of privacy has been trampled on....GIVE ME A BREAK! opk..9/11 happened..you gize whined and whined becuase bush didnt protect us enough, he ddint act on informatio he had and he was just not doing his job..so..he crrate the patriot act..giving hom the right to wiretap where they belive its criucial...he is doing his frekan job and YOU START WHINING AGAIN?!?! listing to your phone calls...WHTA DO YOU HAVE TO HIDE?! we have people IN THE UNITED STATED OF AMERICA who are trying to help the terrorists to KILL US! and you whine for bush protecting us? have you not all forgotten 9/11? everyone after that day was like..KILL THE TALIBAN! KILL THE ARRABS!! PAYPACK!.....and now you whine about bush wire tapping people in the us..WHEN HE IS TRYING TO PRETCECT US!?!? HOW CAN YOU WHINE AND COMPLAIN WHEN HES DOING WHAT YOU COMPLAINED ABOUT BEFORE!? i am really ashamedd of you all. what is wrong with you..why would you not want the government listeuing into phone calls that potentionly find terrorists n the inside? he has put people away since the patriot act ON THE INSIDE! the wire tapping has done good, and you whine becyuase the gov is listening to a true americans phone call and trampleing on out privacy rights..what what the crap is it? do you want ultimate privacy and little protection, which you wil whine about, or do you want a little less privacy, which doent even matter if your not sayibng like, kill the president, or lets make a bomb abd blow up the empire state building....and more protection..which i know somehow you wull find soething to whine about..? so whcih is it?!
i_am_mine
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KILL THE TALIBAN! KILL THE ARRABS!! PAYPACK!.....


Heh heh.
The level of intelligence in this discussion in this forum has dropped to another low.
This is amusing.

And funny.
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