What ever you may think of the US it is clear that Sadam is responsible for the deaths of at least one million Muslims during the Iran Iraq war. Don't for get he also invaded Kuwait another Muslim country and I have no doubt he would have gone for a third given enough time. The only reasonable conclusion to come to is that if you care about Muslim lives then the war in Iraq is to save Muslims not harm them.
Muslims Should be Thanking US for Iraq Invasion
wolfhnd wrote
Good question! Muslim must thank you for killing thousand of muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Good question! Muslim must thank you for killing thousand of muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Better than the Millions that were going to be killed by another Iraq Iran war? Or is it ok if Muslims kill each other?
If the current death rate were to continue in Iraq for another 15 years, we still wouldn't match the number of Iraqis that Saddam killed during his presidency. In the long run, Iraq is going to be much better off due to the actions of the U.S. Many lives will have actually been saved.
thank us ? whay? they are used to thair way of life. usually no change is never welcome even to the good side..
wat do u mean it is good tht the US invading Iraq. Saddam Hussein may be a bad man but tht doesn't mean killing innocent muslims i nthe processof capturing him. If i get the chance, i'd like to beat the crap out of Bush for killing me bros.
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| Allawi Touts Iraq's Progress, Thanks U.S.
NewsMax.com Wires Thursday, Sept. 23, 2004 WASHINGTON – Offering a simple "Thank you, America," Iraqi interim prime minister Ayad Allawi declared Thursday that his country was moving successfully past the war that ousted Saddam Hussein and vowed that elections would take place next year as scheduled. "Elections will occur in Iraq on time in January because Iraqis want elections on time," Allawi told a joint meeting of Congress, an appearance that President Bush's advisers hoped would ease American voters' doubts about the troubled campaign in Iraq. Despite struggles and setbacks, "the values of liberty and democracy" are taking hold in Iraq, Allawi said. "We could hold elections tomorrow" in 15 of 18 provinces, he said, even though terror operatives hope to disrupt them. "The insurgency in Iraq is destructive but small, and it has not and will never resonate with the Iraqi people." |
I've heard numerous accounts of thankful Iraqi's and Afgans.
As an Individual US did a good job, removing Saddam. But whats happed after he's been ousted, the LIFE of the locals have gone from BAD to WORST. At least ppl in Saddams Regiem were safe from daily bombings.
People in Iraq under Sadam were free to die by the hundreds of thousands in wars of aggression. Killed by fellow Muslims. This is simple statement of historical fact. We don't need to speculate about what will happen when the US pulls out to know that Muslims kill Muslims in huge bloody batches. This holier than thou attitude that I have been seeing in many post would be laughable if it were not for the continuing evidence that religious fanaticism makes people dangerously naive.
All I'm looking for here is for a realistic explanation of how Muslims plan to stop killing Muslims. It isn't just a numbers game, it's a historical norm, more Arab Muslims were killed by Turkish Muslims than by crusaders yet we never hear them discuss that. There is simply no reason to believe that out side forces have done more harm that internal evils.
I don't want to here more rhetoric just the a simple acknowledgement that all is not well in the Muslim "brotherhood".
All I'm looking for here is for a realistic explanation of how Muslims plan to stop killing Muslims. It isn't just a numbers game, it's a historical norm, more Arab Muslims were killed by Turkish Muslims than by crusaders yet we never hear them discuss that. There is simply no reason to believe that out side forces have done more harm that internal evils.
I don't want to here more rhetoric just the a simple acknowledgement that all is not well in the Muslim "brotherhood".
Woulda coulda shoulda, don't speculate on how many people will die if this or that happened... it is stupid and pointless
Iraq is a mess, and it is 100% American Made. USA, USA, USA
Iraq is a mess, and it is 100% American Made. USA, USA, USA
There is absolutely no speculation in the fact that 1,000,000 Muslims killed each other in the Iran Iraq war. Many of them child warriors.
i feel embarassed cos my fellow brothers r killing their own people not just in Iraq but in my country. the world has become a bad place. and Bush is going to trigger world war 3.
| wolfhnd wrote: |
| What ever you may think of the US it is clear that Sadam is responsible for the deaths of at least one million Muslims during the Iran Iraq war.
The only reasonable conclusion to come to is that if you care about Muslim lives then the war in Iraq is to save Muslims not harm them. |
Move over WMDs - Liberation of muslims is the latest fad.
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| Don't for get he also invaded Kuwait another Muslim country and I have no doubt he would have gone for a third given enough time. |
Saddam was never opposed by US at the time of Iran war.
And he even got US go-ahead for invading Kuwait.
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| I admire your extraordinary efforts to rebuild your country. I know you need funds. We understand that and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait.
We hope you can solve this problem using any suitable methods via Klibi or via President Mubarak. All that we hope is that these issues are solved quickly. - US Ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie speaking to Saddam Hussein |
It was no coincidence that Saddam invaded Kuwait less than a week later.
However, what's even more interesting is the statement made by the ambassador just before this -
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| I would ask you to examine the possibility of not charging too high a price for oil. |
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| Muslims Should be Thanking US for Iraq Invasion |
You could expect the muslims to be grateful to you -
If only your country didn't go into a all out war against a country which was no threat to you,
If only your leaders had not lied or fabricated evidence about Iraqi WMDs and nukes,
If only your country used more covert methods to oust Saddam, and not had the blood of thousands of innocent people on your hands,
If only your leaders truly wanted to help the Iraqi people and had not left them high-and-dry during the coup attempt against Saddam, back in the mid 90s,
AND If only America did not put Saddam there in the first place
Gift them a snake.
Amputate their limbs when it bites.
Sell them band-aids.
Then be outraged when they don't bow to you in gratitude.
muslims.
it is clear tht Bush invaded Iraq for the oil. y waste money buying oil when it is just easier to invade Iraq and get it for free!!!! if he did invade to emove Saddam then he would've helped Sudan in thier times of crisis.
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| it is clear tht Bush invaded Iraq for the oil.. |
The Bushhater robots gave up that claim long ago.
The most likely out come of the Iraq invasion is an moderate Islamic state will replace a brutal secular state. The only logical reason for Muslims to resent the US invasion so much is blind hatred. The motivations of the US are not even relevant from a non emotional point of view.
Hate to say this, but as a Marine Corps Vet, being through 2 wars now, ... I think this one is a joke.
Unwinable, rediculously planned, and a waste of men, and time...
Unwinable, rediculously planned, and a waste of men, and time...
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| Hate to say this, but as a Marine Corps Vet, being through 2 wars now, ... I think this one is a joke.
Unwinable, rediculously planned, and a waste of men, and time... |
Look! It's Murtha and his Patriots of Defeat!
| wolfhnd wrote: |
| What ever you may think of the US it is clear that Sadam is responsible for the deaths of at least one million Muslims during the Iran Iraq war. Don't for get he also invaded Kuwait another Muslim country and I have no doubt he would have gone for a third given enough time. The only reasonable conclusion to come to is that if you care about Muslim lives then the war in Iraq is to save Muslims not harm them. |
I might even go further and say that the US and England is responsible for all the people that Saddam killed. Since you and England are the nutters that put him in power, in the first place.
Bravo!Well there are those that do thank us for it and yet still some brainwashed by sadams dictatorship that believe we are making it worse in Iraq. You can never win all opinions.
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Look! It's Murtha and his Patriots of Defeat! |
Marine Vets that speak for s3nd k3ys are from this day onward officially declared " sane and good and other such nice thing "
Marine Vets that speak against s3nd k3ys are from this day onward, despite their selfless and honourable service to the nation officially declared " not sane, bad and other such evil things "
if thats not biased nothing is
I never said we were going to "win" I said that a brutal civil government would be replaced by a moderate Islamic state similar to Iran. That is certainly not a win win for the US. It is a win win for the Islamic people. Personally I don't think the world needs another religious state and I'm hoping Iran will give up the medieval nightmare they have imposed on themselves. I can't think of a single example of a people improving their condition by adopting to have a religious government. Who knows though maybe Islam will out grow it's oppressive and violent nature the same way the catholic church has.
i dont thing both side are right, actually, i am a Chinese, in my sight, sadam is not a good guy, nor U.S forces, so i think the best way for people in Irac is let them go in their own way, no body could take choose the way for people except people live there.
Do you mean the people of Kuwait that Iraq invaded or the people of Iran that Iraq invaded?
i am sorry, but i didnt catch your logic, would you please explain your idea more simple? thx
I think they do owe us some thanks but I also think we did mess with them a little too much. The way things our now we'll be in their country bothering them for a very long time. I'm hoping they don't start a draft because I refuse to fight in a war that I don't care about, I'll go to Canada or some other country to escape the draft.
haomen my simple point is that Saddam was a greater threat to his Muslim brothers than he ever was to the US. The US is also likely to not come out well in the end as the logical conclusion is that eventual Iraq will be a hostile Islamic state. The real winners in this war are the people who support Islam of which I'm not one. Religion divides people and justifies many injustice practices.
I'm particularly disturbed at how people out side the Muslim world accept Islamic propaganda. The Crusades being the perfect example. What the Crusaders did to Muslims is nothing compared to the atrocities inflicted on their fellow Muslims by the Turks. Distorting reality is one of the things religion makes easier. If you can always just rely of faith then you don't need to be rational and you end up with the dark ages in Europe and a thousand years of social chaos in the Mideast.
I'm particularly disturbed at how people out side the Muslim world accept Islamic propaganda. The Crusades being the perfect example. What the Crusaders did to Muslims is nothing compared to the atrocities inflicted on their fellow Muslims by the Turks. Distorting reality is one of the things religion makes easier. If you can always just rely of faith then you don't need to be rational and you end up with the dark ages in Europe and a thousand years of social chaos in the Mideast.
Oh by the way they don't owe us anything, they owe themselves the freedom they will never have until they throw off the oppression of religion.
USA is responsible for the deaths of at least one million Muslims in Afghanistan ,Iraq
There is no difference between the killers ,, but the name
There is no difference between the killers ,, but the name
Many of the dead in Iraq are the result of actions by Non Iraqi Muslims and not directly linked to US actions. The same thing is true in Afghanistan. Some estimates put the number who died as the result of UN sanctions as a much larger number than those dying as a result of the invasion.
None of this has anything to do with this thread however, I have not tried to justify the invasion. I simply have pointed out that there is a great deal of propaganda coming from Islamic forces that is detrimental in the long run to a healthy and stablity Iraq. Surely the history of western Europe should be a lesson to the people of the Mideast, 1600 years of war often driven by religious and or obscure nationalistic ideology. As long as you can justify your actions based on religious ideology and not on genuine humanistic values the tragedy will continue with or without the intervention of the US.
None of this has anything to do with this thread however, I have not tried to justify the invasion. I simply have pointed out that there is a great deal of propaganda coming from Islamic forces that is detrimental in the long run to a healthy and stablity Iraq. Surely the history of western Europe should be a lesson to the people of the Mideast, 1600 years of war often driven by religious and or obscure nationalistic ideology. As long as you can justify your actions based on religious ideology and not on genuine humanistic values the tragedy will continue with or without the intervention of the US.
I think the big picture in here is about power and pride, power from the goverments that in the name of "freedom" jajaja, invade countries and try to make it look like a favor. What people in those countries live might be really difficult but at the same time should be respected. Religion and believes should be respected. In the other hand I see a lot of pride from the original post, seems that all what he wants is a THANK YOU US! well that is not a problem if t that makes you happy I Thanks US.
To start (and please read the whole post after this) are you American? Because I think the way you wrote you're first post is disgustingly arrogant - even if what you had to say was not without merit.
Saddam did need to be stopped, however to the Iraqi people it would have been a case of "the devil you know" opposed to "the devil you don't".
NEWSFLASH: their country was invaded - there will always be opposition to change.
Also, the public face of the Armed forces over there was very different to what we saw from back in the States/Australia. Our troops had minority groups as disgustingly... I don't know, common, as the terrorist groups that rebelled against our taking control. Women and men alike - and god forbid children - were raped in selected incidents, along with the urination on people's homes and property, and several cases of torture. What people see are the few corrupt troops - that's what they remember - and perception is reality.
(Our western medias, of course, would not be reporting on the evils of our own troops).
I do agree that it was neccessary to take the control away from Saddam - and I agree that a war was the only way that was going to happen.
Throughout Saddam's reign, a person died because of him (on an average of) every five minutes. Often executed for nothing more than speaking out against him, or refusing to sleep with his sons. His was an oppressive dictatorship.
Whatever the death toll in the war, it could not have summounted to the deaths throughout Saddam's reign. Those who lost their lives represent countless thousands who will not die needlessly both now and in years to come.
The current death toll is still due to rebellion against the power switch - which their was always going to be. Again, there are always people against any major change.
As cold as this may seem to the lives involved - sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind. War is hell, and hopefully we all know it by now.
I don't think anyone has to bow down and thank any of the countries involved in "saving" them. They aren't inferior, we aren't superior.
I am Australian, by the way.
Saddam did need to be stopped, however to the Iraqi people it would have been a case of "the devil you know" opposed to "the devil you don't".
NEWSFLASH: their country was invaded - there will always be opposition to change.
Also, the public face of the Armed forces over there was very different to what we saw from back in the States/Australia. Our troops had minority groups as disgustingly... I don't know, common, as the terrorist groups that rebelled against our taking control. Women and men alike - and god forbid children - were raped in selected incidents, along with the urination on people's homes and property, and several cases of torture. What people see are the few corrupt troops - that's what they remember - and perception is reality.
(Our western medias, of course, would not be reporting on the evils of our own troops).
I do agree that it was neccessary to take the control away from Saddam - and I agree that a war was the only way that was going to happen.
Throughout Saddam's reign, a person died because of him (on an average of) every five minutes. Often executed for nothing more than speaking out against him, or refusing to sleep with his sons. His was an oppressive dictatorship.
Whatever the death toll in the war, it could not have summounted to the deaths throughout Saddam's reign. Those who lost their lives represent countless thousands who will not die needlessly both now and in years to come.
The current death toll is still due to rebellion against the power switch - which their was always going to be. Again, there are always people against any major change.
As cold as this may seem to the lives involved - sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind. War is hell, and hopefully we all know it by now.
I don't think anyone has to bow down and thank any of the countries involved in "saving" them. They aren't inferior, we aren't superior.
I am Australian, by the way.
First off Amen to Blackheart.
Secondly, I'm bothered by the statement that muslims should be thanking us. These muslims that you say should thank us are the ones flooding Iraq as suicide bombers. If you look at the numbers very few of these bombers are actually Iraqi citizens. If any thanks is due to be given it should be given by the Iraqi people (who are thanking us.)
As far as those who are making statements about how horrible this war is, it is horrible, every war is horrible. But taken into context with how many people we have saved, and how few soldiers have actually died this has been one of the least devastating wars. Not to say that it hasn't been, I know people who have been killed in Iraq. Its painful. But as a second generation US citizen, (my grandparents immegrated from Holland after WWII) The allies freed my grandparents, and I thank all of those soldiers who died for my freedom. The Iraqi's deserve the same...freedom. Saddam was a Hitler, he may have not gained as much power yet, but he was working towards that.
We all need to be thanking the soldiers around us. They have kept us free. At some point, someone died for all of our exsistances.
Secondly, I'm bothered by the statement that muslims should be thanking us. These muslims that you say should thank us are the ones flooding Iraq as suicide bombers. If you look at the numbers very few of these bombers are actually Iraqi citizens. If any thanks is due to be given it should be given by the Iraqi people (who are thanking us.)
As far as those who are making statements about how horrible this war is, it is horrible, every war is horrible. But taken into context with how many people we have saved, and how few soldiers have actually died this has been one of the least devastating wars. Not to say that it hasn't been, I know people who have been killed in Iraq. Its painful. But as a second generation US citizen, (my grandparents immegrated from Holland after WWII) The allies freed my grandparents, and I thank all of those soldiers who died for my freedom. The Iraqi's deserve the same...freedom. Saddam was a Hitler, he may have not gained as much power yet, but he was working towards that.
We all need to be thanking the soldiers around us. They have kept us free. At some point, someone died for all of our exsistances.
Thank you. I don't give a rats ass if you like Bush or hate him. It doesn't change the fact that we ARE in a war. In times of war the troops need support. Their success is largely based on morale and support from equipment, technology etc. I am thankful for every soldier who has ever died to provide American citizens the freedoms I enjoy. I am glad there are people that care enough about their country and it's people to put their own neck on the line. Whether they wanted to go or signed up for free college and couldn't get out before deployment I am thankful they are there doing what they do. Any less would be TREASON, period. (no exceptions)
shr3dd
Hard core!!!!! The young strong intelligent and brave. Killing and dieing so you and I don't have to. So we SURE AS MOTHER F**KING BETTER SUPPORT their shrapnel dodging hides.
Boooo Mother Fu*king Yaaaaaaaa
Hard core!!!!! The young strong intelligent and brave. Killing and dieing so you and I don't have to. So we SURE AS MOTHER F**KING BETTER SUPPORT their shrapnel dodging hides.
Boooo Mother Fu*king Yaaaaaaaa
| shr3dd wrote: |
| Thank you. I don't give a rats *** if you like Bush or hate him. It doesn't change the fact that we ARE in a war. In times of war the troops need support. Their success is largely based on morale and support from equipment, technology etc. I am thankful for every soldier who has ever died to provide American citizens the freedoms I enjoy. I am glad there are people that care enough about their country and it's people to put their own neck on the line. Whether they wanted to go or signed up for free college and couldn't get out before deployment I am thankful they are there doing what they do. Any less would be TREASON, period. (no exceptions) |
hmmm, me thinkest: those who deal in black and white understand not the gray
earthchild:
Sweet pea, grey is but black and white dots next to each other.
Look at the dots. Dam it.
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| hmmm, me thinkest: those who deal in black and white understand not the gray |
Sweet pea, grey is but black and white dots next to each other.
Look at the dots. Dam it.
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earthchild:
Sweet pea, grey is but black and white dots next to each other. Look at the dots. Dam it. |
sweet horse eating weeds me thinkest thou dost not understand gray either
fear not however, thou still art loved
(dam it
)yeah the iraqi's should thank the US for freeing them from Saddam. So thank you America, leader of the free world 
but wait, wasnt it America that put Saddam in power in the first place and encouraged him to start the Kuwait war, causing all the killings that he is sooo famous for. so thank you America, for that too.
Seriously: who in their right minds would ask for thanks after they invade a country, rape its people and steal its oil?
but wait, wasnt it America that put Saddam in power in the first place and encouraged him to start the Kuwait war, causing all the killings that he is sooo famous for. so thank you America, for that too.
Seriously: who in their right minds would ask for thanks after they invade a country, rape its people and steal its oil?
earthchild, what gray area? and speaking in prose died along with shakespeare. either you support the troops or you dont. my point was you should support the troops even if you dont support the war. they are fellow americans putting their neck's on the line. are you on the frontlines?
Whether or not there were Weapons of Mass Destruction at all, the fact the war removed Saddam was a good thing.
The US didn't anticipate that the Iraqi people would be hostile to them. They expected to be welcomed by all Iraqis that they "freed" from Saddam. By invading Iraq, the US have caused some serious unrest verging on Civil War. But if you actually stop and think about it - the Iraqi people have been freed from one dictator and they probably now feel that the US is their new dictatorship leader. Although that's not what was intended, it's happened so the people are trying to overthrow who they see as yet another dictator.
I can't help but think that if George Dubyah had planned a bit better and anticipated this form of unrest, there wouldn't be such a catastrophic problem in Iraq just now.
The US didn't anticipate that the Iraqi people would be hostile to them. They expected to be welcomed by all Iraqis that they "freed" from Saddam. By invading Iraq, the US have caused some serious unrest verging on Civil War. But if you actually stop and think about it - the Iraqi people have been freed from one dictator and they probably now feel that the US is their new dictatorship leader. Although that's not what was intended, it's happened so the people are trying to overthrow who they see as yet another dictator.
I can't help but think that if George Dubyah had planned a bit better and anticipated this form of unrest, there wouldn't be such a catastrophic problem in Iraq just now.
Well even if the eventual outcome of the removal of saddam and the war results in a better iraq, they still shouldnt be expected to be thankful lol they didnt ask to be born under that ragime, and in the process of fixing it a lot of innocent lives are being lost and damaged, so nah its not a thanking issue, its an unfortunate one from all angles.
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You could expect the muslims to be grateful to you - If only your country didn't go into a all out war against a country which was no threat to you, If only your leaders had not lied or fabricated evidence about Iraqi WMDs and nukes, If only your country used more covert methods to oust Saddam, and not had the blood of thousands of innocent people on your hands, If only your leaders truly wanted to help the Iraqi people and had not left them high-and-dry during the coup attempt against Saddam, back in the mid 90s, AND If only America did not put Saddam there in the first place |
So True... So True.....
Many of the atrocities that have happened over the years could have been overted if only the world's leaders were smart enough to see it coming.
Just goes to show that people can not be trusted with what they say they will do, and not everythin is what it appears to be.
IRAQ was a Mistake , IRAN would have been a better choice to go to war , since it is showing no sign of coperation with the international community ,
Why should the muslim community thank bush for invading their home? They have lived different lives to us and if they came in and invaded us, would you thank them? There cant be a right side. If you want to choose iraq or bush.. then, thats just silly. You cant choose either because we dont know was it truely right now do we? We have been brought up to believe one thing, and they have been brought up to believe the other. I bet an outsider would say that both sides were flawed and will keep to what they were brought up to believe. If that makes any sense. If i lived in iraq, i would be angered by bush also. I dont exactly blame them. And the thing is, we do not know the whole story to this iraq war. We only see what is told on tv. In iraq they see one side of the story. In america they see the other. And us in australia see bits and peices. The media is what you call.. untruthful.
| Devil wrote: |
| IRAQ was a Mistake , IRAN would have been a better choice to go to war , since it is showing no sign of coperation with the international community , |
Oh, yeah, Iraq was working so well with their neighbors...
Before you post a serious topic like this I believe you should know the facts first. Nobody knows how many people have been killed by Sadam Hussian or soldiers from other countries so there is no point in adding figures (i.e 1 million, etc). What is know is the reason why Sadam Hussain was removed from power. It was thought that he [Sadam] had "weapons of mass destruction" that he could/would deploy in a short period of time. This intelligence was wrong and Bush has not long (finally) admitted it. So was it a good or bad thing that has happened? One thing that I believe is everyone should face up to their crimes, no matter who (or how much power) you/they have. Sadam is finally facing his actions, although not all of them. He is currently facing the murder of (I believe) just over 100 people from a small village in Iraq although the number of people that have died is a lot more (but still unknown).
I have mixed opinions about the war in Iraq and terrorists.
I believe terrorists that Attack others (like the September 11th attacks on America and July 7th and July 21st (misses) on the UK are simply wrong. But if someone invaded my country (the UK) I think that I would try and get them out. This is what some Iraqi people are trying to do yet they are known as terrorists.
As for the war in Iraq, I am not going to go there.
P.S I believe that this topic should be closed. I believe that it is too hardcore subject but then I guess that this is up to the Moderators, or Admins. (Then again, everyone has opinions, even meas you can see).
I have mixed opinions about the war in Iraq and terrorists.
I believe terrorists that Attack others (like the September 11th attacks on America and July 7th and July 21st (misses) on the UK are simply wrong. But if someone invaded my country (the UK) I think that I would try and get them out. This is what some Iraqi people are trying to do yet they are known as terrorists.
As for the war in Iraq, I am not going to go there.
P.S I believe that this topic should be closed. I believe that it is too hardcore subject but then I guess that this is up to the Moderators, or Admins. (Then again, everyone has opinions, even meas you can see).
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| Before you post a serious topic like this I believe you should know the facts first.
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What is know is the reason why Sadam Hussain was removed from power. |
Speaking of 'knowing the facts'... you know what's told to you by the MSM. Perhaps you weren't aware that there were MORE than WMD as reason for taking out that idiot? Sure, WMD was the loudest, but not the only.
Research and Education are you friend.
As an American Muslim, I take offense to the fact that I have to thank anyone. Sure Saddam was a son of b$%#h and I hope he gets what he deserves. But this administration did use WMD as their primary reason and linked Iraq to Al-Qaeda. Now we know there were no WMDs (at least none they can find) and no link to Osama. This war was supposed to stop terrorism but it seems to be igniting it. I hope and pray that Iraq becomes the place that this administration visualizes it to be but we should not have gone in on false pretenses. You want to take Saddam out because you don't like him, fine...go for it but don't use scare tactics saying that they have missiles pointing towards an American city. If anything, we should be all thankful for the soldiers who are giving up their lives in Afghanistan, Korea, Iraq, Kuwait, Germany and other places...and especially giving up time with their families this time of the year...thats something I will be thankful for.
Thats what I was trying to say, the reasons for countries going to war with Sadam, which is not the same as going to war with Iraq, was because of the apparant Weapons of Mass Destruction. Thats what the whole things was (and still is) about.
muslims thank invade,this topic have obvious trendence.it doubt whether US vs.Eraq war is correct.
| alkutob wrote: |
| USA is responsible for the deaths of at least one million Muslims in Afghanistan ,Iraq
There is no difference between the killers ,, but the name |
One intended to kill with no cause, only to continue killing. One never simed to kill, but did so on a misguided path. The US, although misguided, (as in the post above) is not directly responsible for half of the current death toll.
At lest the detah toll that is climbing at the moment will stop when thigns quieten. Had things been left as they were, then that death toll would have kept on climbing for decades.
It is a harsh, cold and blunt reality - but reality none the less.
Jess BlackResult of US invasion: 100,000 deaths source:wikipedia
the above is taken from my blog. you can read the full post here
also read my blog Bush Must Be Stopped
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| The big boss attitude of America is absolutely abhorrent. The reserves of deadly weapons are in U.S. itself, also in Russia, U.K., China, France, etc. countries and not in Iran or Iraq or Korea. I unequivocally condemn the Iraq war,an attack on the sovereignty of a country by a powerful country and its opportunistic allies, on a pretext that has now been proved baseless. Bush, the self-proclaimed saviour of the world, said he wants to restore democracy to Iraq. What has now become of Iraq? The Iraqis have got unlimited bloodshed, death and devastation for no fault of their own. They have been tortured, flogged to death and raped. In fact, there are innumerable innocent Iraqis who have rotten in prisons and many are still rotting there. The death toll is more than 100,000 (source): Wikipedia. |
the above is taken from my blog. you can read the full post here
also read my blog Bush Must Be Stopped
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well saddam killed those muslims but bush is killing them too they're the same i think and now many muslims are dying in Iraq too and american soldiers r dying too
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| What ever you may think of the US it is clear that Sadam is responsible for the deaths of at least one million Muslims during the Iran Iraq war. Don't for get he also invaded Kuwait another Muslim country and I have no doubt he would have gone for a third given enough time. The only reasonable conclusion to come to is that if you care about Muslim lives then the war in Iraq is to save Muslims not harm them. |
Yes you have right, but who has been involved in the iraq - iran war, and who has support iraq, ammerica afcorse. There are so many reasons but i can't write englisch good. Go first back to youre school, and learn something.
“CIA interrogators apparently tried to cover up the death of an Iraqi ‘ghost detainee’ who died while being interrogated at Abu Ghraib prison, Time magazine reported today, after obtaining hundreds of pages of documents, including an autopsy report, about the case.
The death of secret detainee Manadel al-Jamadi was ruled a homicide in a Defense Department autopsy, Time reported, adding that documents it recently obtained included photographs of his battered body, which had been kept on ice to keep it from decomposing, apparently to conceal the circumstances of his death.”
Source: http://www.matthewgood.org/mblog/?p=544
I think that there has been one too many slip ups about liability and what is happening in the Prisons in Iraq.
The death of secret detainee Manadel al-Jamadi was ruled a homicide in a Defense Department autopsy, Time reported, adding that documents it recently obtained included photographs of his battered body, which had been kept on ice to keep it from decomposing, apparently to conceal the circumstances of his death.”
Source: http://www.matthewgood.org/mblog/?p=544
I think that there has been one too many slip ups about liability and what is happening in the Prisons in Iraq.
They should thank us for liberating them from a dictator that tortured them! But no, they are ungrateful, well, at least what the liberal news stations show. How pathetic. The liberal stations show everything wrong with the war and nothing right, just to poison the minds of people to think that Bush is doing wrong.
That's a low blow, and uncalled for in my opinion.
That's a low blow, and uncalled for in my opinion.
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