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ocalhoun
You may find this strange or morally questionable.
If you do then please do not post here.
I'm looking for anyone who has Ideas about how to become a horse.
(yes, I'm serious)

My organization's website will be up within a month (hopefully).
David_Pardy
You want to physically transform into a horse?

...

Well it's always good to be ambitious, but you'd probably need to go to a community of heavily well-studied scientists!
ocalhoun
And to help others do so too.
(hence the non-profit organization)
Scientists usualy just say it's impossible quote all kinds of reasons why, and leave it at that.

Yes, it is impossible now, my organization is dedicated to making it possible.
Current methods considered:
Mass to energy conversion >> edit w/ supercomputer >> energy to mass
Custom designed viruses replace carefully selected segments of genetic code/ placement of equine stem cells.
Magic.

I'm currently looking for more methods.
David_Pardy
You do understand that it's not as simple as magical metamorphasis in a computer game or something?

There is such an infinite level of detail. Your DNA would probably be destroyed with the amount of modification necessary. You have a different number of Chromosomes to a horse - and then there's the problem of transforming your organs, brain, skin, muscles, bones, etc.

The way I see it, you'll probably have to wait til you die then get someone to name a new-born horse after you.

Of course, maybe scientists have delved into this sort of thing a lot more but me with my limited scientific knowledge, I just don't see that it is possible.
boringest
i think the easiest way is to wear a 'horse' suit.

or you can go for plastic surgery...physically look like a horse but still think and feel like a human.
Slammer
This would be very hard to achieve, and even if it was possible, you probably wouldnt be able to do it within your lifetime.
a.Bird
Buahahaha... please tell me right now... whether you are kidding or not. If you say yes, then I will applaud you and give you my upmost respect for being one insanely hilarious individual. If you say no, I can only continue to applaud you, but for being so incredibly out of this world that my feeble brain cannot comprehend the original motivation to persue such a radical thought process.
earthchild
you are already a horse... it is only your perception of seperateness from horses (and everthing else that is) that keeps you from fully knowing and experiencing the truth of this. Wink

Congratulations!
ocalhoun
As before stated, No I'm not kidding!
Dante
The list is littered with short, ironic comments from you, and your points tally is enormous. It tells a tale in itself.

You do not wish to becoem a horse, because if you did, you would not be able to engage in your hobby of putting these comments on this list.

I would recommend you start a discussion that involves a bit more banter, then you can make lots of little one-liner responses to people.
ocalhoun
Dante wrote:
The list is littered with short, ironic comments from you, and your points tally is enormous. It tells a tale in itself.

You do not wish to becoem a horse, because if you did, you would not be able to engage in your hobby of putting these comments on this list.


This is inconsequential in comparison!
Just you wait 'till I get my site built!
IceCameron
I cannot give you any idea's or anything but i admire your idea and stand by you all the way through!
CMA
Umm... and why, exactly, do you wish to become a horse? It's pretty much impossible with the technology available today, but I'm still curious... So... why?

Oh, and I don't find it morally questionable... only PHYSICALLY questionable.
chico-lama
As a read all the post in this thread I was left with the same questions as the former post-er has stated: WHY do you want to become a horse and if you manage to become a horse, what are you planning to to with it?

A suggestion: At first you have to make a clone of yourself, then in the first stages you can combine the genotype of the horse you want to look like with the genotype of the embryo. This means: change some of the gencode. This has been succesfully applied before, in these cases the animal/plant grown some properties of an other animal/plant.
In your case you have to change a lot of properties, but I think (in the far future) it possible. But I don't think it is desirable!!
ocalhoun
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chico-lama
Well thank you!

Leaves the question: Why? I am thrilled to hear the answer to that. What kind of organisation are you in?
The Philosopher Princess
Searching for something else, I happened to run across this thread. Since I can see that this is one of the more serious of Frihost topics, I feel compelled to help if I can.

ocalhoun wrote:
I'm looking for anyone who has Ideas about how to become a horse.

My idea is for you to brush up on your negotiation skills, and try your best to switch Frihost names with horseatingweeds. With your new name matching your current avatar, you should feel like a brand new horse.

ocalhoun wrote:
You may find this strange

On the contrary, ocalhoun. I find it quite consistent. Smile
horseatingweeds
Per your request,

Maybe we should learn how to cure cancer, then horse cancer, then learn how to become horses.....

I don't know why you would want to be a horse. I love horses, but I can't imagine being one. All they want to do is hang out in the barn and eat. I think a couch potato is the closes thing we could achieve. A couch potato that owns a motor cycle.

And ocalhoun, I am a difficult negotiator, but I can most certainly be bought.
godam64
human is lot better than horse.
simple way : use horse costume, people will laugh at you.
hard way : use mind transfer, then suffer for the whole life.
Bookface
You could just connect up your brain to an interface that would transmit your actions and recieve sense information from a computerized brain in a horse.


Not only would it be easier to go back and forth from being a horse, but people could switch off controlling it.
ocalhoun
Thanks Bookface, that's more of what I'm looking for.
With a few refinements, that one will be on my site. (My site is under construction, but will be www.EquineDream.be)
The Philosopher Princess
You know, there's a world of useful information out there. This next piece of advice is by and about very eloquent and respected true experts.

http://www.cfhf.net/lyrics/mr-ed.htm wrote:
A horse is a horse, of course, of course,
And no one can talk to a horse of course
That is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mister Ed.

Go right to the source and ask the horse
He’ll give you the answer that you’ll endorse.
He’s always on a steady course.
Talk to Mister Ed.

People yakkity yak a streak and waste your time of day
But Mr. Ed will never speak unless he has something to say

A horse is a horse, of course, of course,
And this one’ll talk ‘til his voice is hoarse.
You never heard of a talking horse?

Well listen to this: "I'm Mister Ed."

Now, there's some horse sense for you! Smile
ocalhoun
...just to be reffered to Mr. Ed?
...
...
Anyway, nice to see you participating in a thread you didn't start.
Animal
Have you seen the Steve Martin film "The Man With Two Brains"?

All you need is a crazy scientist dude, a big brain-swapping lab and a syringe of anti-freeze.

Find a horse, inject it with the anti-freeze, then carry it to the lab. Strap the horse in, then have the crazy scientist take your brain out and put it into a jar. Then connect electrodes to the jar and the horse, put a few quarters in the machine and away you go...

And if you followed all that... maybe you need to watch less TV!
ocalhoun
Cool, although it does involve trapping a horse in my despicable body. [edit] or killing one [/edit]
So, where does this mad scientist live?
The closest person to that description I know is... me.
Animal
ocalhoun wrote:
The closest person to that description I know is... me.


Excellent! Then you don't need to hire any help!

ocalhoun wrote:
Cool, although it does involve trapping a horse in my despicable body


I'm afraid not... the anti-freeze causes brain-deadness fairly quickly. Leaves the body in top-condition though!
The Philosopher Princess
ocalhoun wrote:
Anyway, nice to see you participating in a thread you didn't start.

Thanks. I guess that's your nice way of saying that I don't get out much. Guess you're right! Tell you what. If you "escort" me to any one particular Frihost topic of your choice, I will make at least one quality post. You can even request I address a particular sub-topic, if there are many being discussed. This offer lasts for as long as I'm still writing on Frihost.
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Also, if you and Animal figure out how a person can have two brains, please let me know. I'm always in search of extra brain power. (But a horse's brain doesn't fit my style.)
Animal
The Philosopher Princess wrote:
Also, if you and Animal figure out how a person can have two brains, please let me know. I'm always in search of extra brain power. (But a horse's brain doesn't fit my style.)


You mean you've never seen the Steve Martin film? I'm telling you... watch "The Man With Two Brains" - it'll tell you everything you need to know to get started!
The Philosopher Princess
Animal, I will take your word that "it'll tell [me] everything [I] need to know to get started!" But I'm not so worried about getting started. I'm worried about getting finished! I don't want to end up with some gaudy dangling neurons flopping about or any nakedly exposed unseemly ganglia not fitting properly under my tiara. I must keep up my appearance!

I never thought to reference a Steve Martin movie for science, but I can see you working to make a convincing case.
horseatingweeds
If you seriously want to become a horse with our current technology and you have plenty of geek friends and lots of money this is what you need.

1. A sensory input program(s), wind production, maybe some G force acceleration.
2. A “movement” or interaction program(s). I am imagining you would then have to learn how to walk trot canter and gallop.
3. A hard core user interface, including I guess, virtual reality goggles, hove inputs/outputs barrier outputs to simulate other horses and well, barriers.
4. Actual photos for graphics
5. A mapping program holding your finite surroundings.
6. Did I mention lots of money and geeks.

Perhaps you could, with help of your web site, establish a committed market for such a product and encourage an entity with these resources to absorb it.
jazrt
horseatingweeds wrote:
If you seriously want to become a horse with our current technology and you have plenty of geek friends and lots of money this is what you need.

1. A sensory input program(s), wind production, maybe some G force acceleration.
2. A “movement” or interaction program(s). I am imagining you would then have to learn how to walk trot canter and gallop.
3. A hard core user interface, including I guess, virtual reality goggles, hove inputs/outputs barrier outputs to simulate other horses and well, barriers.
4. Actual photos for graphics
5. A mapping program holding your finite surroundings.
6. Did I mention lots of money and geeks.

Perhaps you could, with help of your web site, establish a committed market for such a product and encourage an entity with these resources to absorb it.


How about standing inside a holographic projection. Except going outside where there was no way of creating the holographic projection would be a bit of a bummer.
Unless you could overcome that as well and create a mass holographic projection. While we are at it lets change the earth into an egg.
The Philosopher Princess
jazrt wrote:
While we are at it lets change the earth into an egg.

Hmmmmm. Instead of an egg, how about a brain? Very Happy Change the earth into one big brain! Then none of us would have need for a second brain nor of being a horse. We could just tap into the earth to have all our dreams come true.
jazrt
The Philosopher Princess wrote:
jazrt wrote:
While we are at it lets change the earth into an egg.

Hmmmmm. Instead of an egg, how about a brain? Very Happy Change the earth into one big brain! Then none of us would have need for a second brain nor of being a horse. We could just tap into the earth to have all our dreams come true.


for all the wanting to become a horse. or for something to become something else. What a horse is a horse. And all things that live have spirit. If if you as a person wanted to become a horse then your spirit would need to change into a horse. So it's not just the physical body but the spiritual as well..

So unless you have the divinity of God. And have full command of all the elements. then you are like pissing in the wind head-on.
riv_
I can't believe I read this whole thread! I thought I had a life! Or a brain! OR something!
But I wanted to address Philosopher Princess, who was inquiring about how someone could have 2 brains.
Now, I would agree with you that Steve Martin movies are hardly the pinnacle of scientific discovery.
But what about people who've had surgery to disconnect the 2 hemispheres of their brain? Both sides of their brain are fully functioning, but no longer communicating with one another.
Science has shown that functions performed in one hemisphere of the brain are duplicated in the other. (Which is why patients can undergo this surgery with minimal impairment of function (except for sometimes some memory loss))
Can these patients be considered to have started out with 1 brain, but now have 2 brains??
The Philosopher Princess
I think you are really onto something, there, riv_!

riv_ wrote:
Can these patients be considered to have started out with 1 brain, but now have 2 brains??

I would say that kind of case reasonably suffices as one's having 2 brains. As long as both are controlling the central nervous system.

I could see the added benefit of multiprocessing: one wants to find a solution to something with many possible answers so they set both brains to work on the same problem. But there must be some way to coordinate and choose from both sides' top suggestions. Thus, we really must solve the following:

riv_ wrote:
Both sides of their brain are... no longer communicating with one another.

We wouldn't want to get stuck in an infinite loop like, "Should I stay, or should I go? Should I stay, or should I go? Should I stay, or should I go?....."
horseatingweeds
jazrt wrote:
horseatingweeds wrote:
If you seriously want to become a horse with our current technology and you have plenty of geek friends and lots of money this is what you need.

1. A sensory input program(s), wind production, maybe some G force acceleration.
2. A “movement” or interaction program(s). I am imagining you would then have to learn how to walk trot canter and gallop.
3. A hard core user interface, including I guess, virtual reality goggles, hove inputs/outputs barrier outputs to simulate other horses and well, barriers.
4. Actual photos for graphics
5. A mapping program holding your finite surroundings.
6. Did I mention lots of money and geeks.

Perhaps you could, with help of your web site, establish a committed market for such a product and encourage an entity with these resources to absorb it.


How about standing inside a holographic projection. Except going outside where there was no way of creating the holographic projection would be a bit of a bummer.
Unless you could overcome that as well and create a mass holographic projection. While we are at it lets change the earth into an egg.


The idea would be to us the sensory inputs, i.e. blowers for wind, pneumatic devises for shock, and possibly a centripetal accelerator to imitate the feeling of acceleration. If there is one thing a horse can do better than anything it’s accelerate!!!!!

There is also the smells………………yeee haaaa

Anyway, ocalhoun

Why do you want to be a horse. I will admit, there is nothing like riding a horse. I am not speaking of a beginner on a nag. I am speaking of a fine horseman on a noble stead, a nine year old girl on her sweet confused pony with whom no other can ride, an old man on his aged mule. The power and exhilarations, all from a bunch of hay and wheat.
riv_
Quote:
We wouldn't want to get stuck in an infinite loop like, "Should I stay, or should I go? Should I stay, or should I go? Should I stay, or should I go?....."

Well, since most of us are dominantly right- or left- brained, I don't imagine the day to day decisions should be too difficult. But the big decisions could pose a problem, as PhilosopherPrincess has pointed out. You know, I always thought those people were dancing... perhaps they were just stuck between staying and going???
But seriously, I would imagine most decisions would not be difficult, since the two brains are not actually in communication. But, since they have originated from the same brain, their ideas should not be too different.
Unless one brain went utterly and totally insane. And wanted to do something totally crazy.
That could create serious conflict.
Like, for example, what if the left brain decided it wanted to become a horse?
statusfashions
Beauty Lies In The Eyes Of The Beholder
also
you are what you think.
So if You Think You are a horse no one can stop u from that. the manner you behave will be treated waht u are. if u behave like a horse people around are bound to say that u are a horse.
its because of manner in which u live that u are recognised.

some fun part:
if u become a horse really than please mention my name in your will( transfer your property to me ) i promise i will provide u with a good stable and best food .
Smile
javascript:emoticon('Very Happy')
Very Happy
Squeeky
You could eat tonnes of horse hormones, like they do in gender changes.
Might work....doe horses even have hormones???
ocalhoun
statusfashions wrote:

some fun part:
if u become a horse really than please mention my name in your will( transfer your property to me ) i promise i will provide u with a good stable and best food .
Smile

Nice, but I will porbably be one of the last to do so, unless I get Impatient. Might take you up on that offer, be carfull. Once a successfull method is developed, my organization will be preforming thousands of transformations. All of those newly made horses will need somewhere to live. Most of them will be taken to wild horse herds and released, although if they choose to do so they can sell themselves (arranged before their transformation) to people of their choice.

Update! My organization's site is up. Check the "Methodology" page to see if and how your ideas have helped.
Yes, I am still on the lookout for new methods.
Here's the link: EquineDream.be
The Philosopher Princess
Gosh, I think even ocalhoun would have to admit that, when I wrote to this topic on Jan 10, 2006, I revived a dead horse. Laughing It had been started on Dec 08, 2005, but hadn’t been written to since Dec 13, 2005. And, now, just look at all this horse brainy stuff! Laughing
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