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Inzamam's run out
Dont know how many of you saw todays 2nd test match between England and Pakistan. Whoever has, can I have your comments on the run out decision given by the 3rd umpire against Inzamam Ul Haq? Is it justifiable? The guy jumped and moved out of the crease to avoid himself from being hit by the ball! And when the ball was thrown, he was inside the crease!!
I dont know on what basis the 3rd umpire gave such a decision. It really p****d me off!
Inzimam is well known to get run out alot, this adds one more to his run out list.
I dont know on what basis the 3rd umpire gave such a decision. It really p****d me off!
Inzimam is well known to get run out alot, this adds one more to his run out list.
Thats out for sure.
If a players prefers to save himself from being hit at the cost of his wicket, whose fault it is.? Remember coaches will tell you to run between the line of ball and stumps even if you get hit.I don't find even a slght bit of doubt in this.
I would like to refresh your memory, in one of the test bet. india and pak at calcutta. Sachin made his ground (bat was over crease). But then for some reason Shoaib moved back and collided with Sachin . As a result Sachin fall over and was out of his crease and was given out. Skipper wasim refused to do anything about it. Can you justify the decision?
If a players prefers to save himself from being hit at the cost of his wicket, whose fault it is.? Remember coaches will tell you to run between the line of ball and stumps even if you get hit.I don't find even a slght bit of doubt in this.
I would like to refresh your memory, in one of the test bet. india and pak at calcutta. Sachin made his ground (bat was over crease). But then for some reason Shoaib moved back and collided with Sachin . As a result Sachin fall over and was out of his crease and was given out. Skipper wasim refused to do anything about it. Can you justify the decision?
I agree, the decision against sachin was wrong too but lets stick to this game shall we.
If Inzamam was in the crease, why exactly was the ball thrown towards the wicket?
"If a players prefers to save himself from being hit at the cost of his wicket, whose fault it is.?"
Do you know what a reflex action is? Do you think the player could have thought about that? And cricket isnt rugby or american football. There is no such thing as, "injure yourself for the sake of your wicket".
If Inzamam was in the crease, why exactly was the ball thrown towards the wicket?
"If a players prefers to save himself from being hit at the cost of his wicket, whose fault it is.?"
Do you know what a reflex action is? Do you think the player could have thought about that? And cricket isnt rugby or american football. There is no such thing as, "injure yourself for the sake of your wicket".
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| I agree, the decision against sachin was wrong too but lets stick to this game shall we. |
Good that you agree.
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| If Inzamam was in the crease, why exactly was the ball thrown towards the wicket? |
How the fielder will know if the batsman will be able to make it or not and specially when the batsman is Inzmam. and its the right of a fielder to try for a runout and not worry about if he has a chance or not.
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| "If a players prefers to save himself from being hit at the cost of his wicket, whose fault it is.?" |
Consider when shoaib and lee are bowling bouncers around 150+ km/hr. Should the batsman shy away from the stumps and worry about him getting injured. What about the shortleg fielder who has hardly any time to react to an aggresive shot.
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| Do you know what a reflex action is? Do you think the player could have thought about that? And cricket isnt rugby or american football. There is no such thing as, "injure yourself for the sake of your wicket". |
Yes I know what reflex action is. If you are saying the error was caused due to his reflex action then why blame the umpire?
Any game should be played with rules and not emotions, rules clearly say thats out and a good umpire should give him out. Many have got out this way before, this is not the first time.
Ok. But about the reflex action part, any player would have reacted that way, not just Inzamam.
Inzamam was already in the crease. I dont think he gave any signs or jestures that he is going to take another run. And this is a test match. You dont try taking every run possible.
I agree on that, emotions shouldnt take over a game. If only I knew that before, I wouldnt have started this thread
Anyways, now that the day has passed and I am not pissed anymore, I guess what the Umpire did was right. But still I think the ICC board should take such things into consideration. I am not just saying this because of Inzamam's runout. This goes for every controversial wicket.
*Peace*
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How the fielder will know if the batsman will be able to make it or not and specially when the batsman is Inzmam. and its the right of a fielder to try for a runout and not worry about if he has a chance or not. |
Inzamam was already in the crease. I dont think he gave any signs or jestures that he is going to take another run. And this is a test match. You dont try taking every run possible.
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Any game should be played with rules and not emotions, rules clearly say thats out and a good umpire should give him out. Many have got out this way before, this is not the first time. |
I agree on that, emotions shouldnt take over a game. If only I knew that before, I wouldnt have started this thread
Anyways, now that the day has passed and I am not pissed anymore, I guess what the Umpire did was right. But still I think the ICC board should take such things into consideration. I am not just saying this because of Inzamam's runout. This goes for every controversial wicket.
*Peace*
Well that was a really stupid decision made by the third umpire . My suggestion is that the player who throwed the ball at him should have been banned for some matches as why has he thrown the ball at the batsman when he was inside his crease. 
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| Well that was a really stupid decision made by the third umpire . My suggestion is that the player who throwed the ball at him should have been banned for some matches as why has he thrown the ball at the batsman when he was inside his crease. |
Exactly! Thats my point
I am sorry i havent seen the thing.
But if he had thrown the ball when the batsmen wa sin the crease, its perfectly alright. Dont we see so many time these things happening, but the ball goes to the keeper & dosent hit the stumps.
If Inzy walked out of the crease to protect himself then he was foolish. There are other places to go to.
Can anyone provide me with a link to the clip if possible
But if he had thrown the ball when the batsmen wa sin the crease, its perfectly alright. Dont we see so many time these things happening, but the ball goes to the keeper & dosent hit the stumps.
If Inzy walked out of the crease to protect himself then he was foolish. There are other places to go to.
Can anyone provide me with a link to the clip if possible
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| Dont we see so many time these things happening, but the ball goes to the keeper & dosent hit the stumps.
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hmm. I have seen the bowlers giving a physical threat that they would throw the ball at the stumps but never actually seen them throwing it.
And here in this case, the bowler threw it towards the wicket and not towards the wicketkeeper. The decision taken by the umpire has been called a "freak decision" by a former Indian player.
I tried finding some clips because I wanted to see it again but no luck yet. All I could find were these images:
http://www.icc-cricket.com/ci/content/image/226647.html
http://www.icc-cricket.com/ci/content/image/226645.html
http://www.icc-cricket.com/ci/content/image/226653.html
From the image, you can very well see that Inzamam was in the crease that too quite comfortably with no plans of taking any other run. He just moved a bit to avoid being hit by the ball. His leg was just slightly out of the crease.
Look at what I found on ICC's official website. An absract from Bob Woolmer's statement:
"It is evident that Inzamam took evasive action to avoid injury and according to the laws should not have been given out."
You can read the whole thing at http://www.icc-cricket.com/ci/content/story/226837.html
More related pages you might find of interest:
"Inzamam 'surprised' by run-out ruling" http://www.icc-cricket.com/ci/content/story/226700.html
By the way, I just came across a law:
"...a batsman is not out Run out if (a) he has been within his ground and has subsequently left it to avoid injury, when the wicket is put down"
According to that law, its clear Inzamam was not out!
i was just curious are all these ppl above me from india and pakistan?
Whether he was slightly out of the crease or slightly in the crease, the third umpire's decision was against the rules of cricket.
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Exactly! Thats my point |
Here Harmison went ahead and threw the ball. As per the Cricket rules a bowler can Run Out the person at the Non- Strikers end during his run up if hes out of the crease. So his action was normal.
Its the Third Umpires fault, where England played very little role in the descion making. Its the ICC to decide what has to be done with the Umpie and not with Harmison.
Plus the Umpire is also a Human and "To Err is Human"
At the end of the day it has to be taken in the spirit of the game and everyone must carry on
The stand I took was against the Umpire and not against the player.
The "Exactly! thats my point" I wrote for Kany's post was for his first statement. Fast bowlers are aggresive and I completely understand that. And I agree with the fact that humans are prone to making errors but as per the ICC rules, it was quite clear Inzamam was not out. If the 3rd umpire wasnt aware of all the ICC rules then he has proven himself to be a layman and he never deserved to be an Umpire.
"At the end of the day it has to be taken in the spirit of the game and everyone must carry on"
Thumbs up on that.
*peace*
The "Exactly! thats my point" I wrote for Kany's post was for his first statement. Fast bowlers are aggresive and I completely understand that. And I agree with the fact that humans are prone to making errors but as per the ICC rules, it was quite clear Inzamam was not out. If the 3rd umpire wasnt aware of all the ICC rules then he has proven himself to be a layman and he never deserved to be an Umpire.
"At the end of the day it has to be taken in the spirit of the game and everyone must carry on"
Thumbs up on that.
*peace*
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