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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,176043,00.html
| Quote: | WASHINGTON — Rep. John Murtha's call to pull all U.S. troops out of Iraq within six months continued to draw emotional comment from Republicans, Democrats and members of the military Friday.
Republicans in general were highly critical of the Pennsylvania Democrat's position, saying U.S. troops must finish the job. Democrats largely defended the Vietnam War veteran's patriotism but declined to support his call for a quick withdrawal. |
The enragement of the Dems was priceless! They were crying about pulling troops out NOW, then when the Repubs said "Ok, fine! You want out, lets put it to an up or down vote RIGHT NOW!", The Dems were tripping over themselves trying to get out of the vote because they KNEW it was a bad idea and would never pass. Not to mention how utterly STUPID it made them look.
I think the best part is, that now they are ALL ON RECORD as to their position in this. They will have a much harder time lying about the pres lying than they had before.
There is a difference between starting a war and finishing it. I was completely against the war, just like most people in Europe. That doesn't mean that pulling the troops out now would be a good idea. In my opinion it is even worse than starting the war. And unless a miracle happens, you're stuck in there for at least 20 years. If you leave sooner, Iraq will explode and become the threat (wmd and terrorism) America wanted us to believe.
The vote is in, 3 for, 403 AGAINST
The Three ******:
Jose Serrano (New York)
Cynthia McKinney (Georgia)
Robert Wexler (Florida)
6 that voted Present (Weaklings):
"Baghdad Jim" McDimwit (Washington)
Jerrold Nadler (New York)
Maurice Hinchey (New York)
William Clay (Missouri)
Michael Capuano (Massachusetts)
Major Owens (Georgia?)
Notice.... that Murtha... the guy who was the big name to call for... DID NOT vote for it!!
Kinda like Major Owens (I think it was) who submitted a bill to reinstate the draft, then didn't vote for it!
I like how the dems are weeping about this being a pure "political stunt". Because they have never played politics with the war.
Ever.
The significance of this whole thing is that the left will do anything to regain power, even if it means bashing our troops. They know that history will look kindly upon President Bush and will look very favorably upon this war on terror. The left doesn't want to be on the wrong side of history, so common sense would say they wouldn't want their names on any official documents showing their disdain for our men and women in uniform. In 30 years they want to see, "See? We were behind the whole war on terror!"
It's all about reclaiming the White House for the left, plain and simple. And this vote exposed them for exactly that.
I don't believe Murtha said he wanted the immediate pullout of all our troops in iraq. He just wanted the white house to give them a plan for beginning to pull our troops out and start handing some power over to the Iraqi's. We all know that the pulling out of all our troops would be desasterous to all.
We all also know that the longer our troops are extended in the iraq conflict the more vulnerable we become. We also know we haven't been keeping up our fleet to the once greatness it was and the sand is eating up our machinery. And with the state of our economy and our budget issues i don't see much spending to deal with our aging tanks etc etc
and why aren't they able to produce more oil than they are producing right now they are sitting on the biggest oil reserve in the world. i thought W said they would be paying for the reconstruction with oil money what happened to that?
| jaro wrote: | | He just wanted |
He wants to setup a systematic erradication of OUR troops
| Quote: | | We all also know that the longer our troops are extended in the iraq conflict the more vulnerable we become |
"We" do? You mean you think that without foundation, don't you?
It's not just about Murtha saying to pull out in 6 months.
The left has been crying and whining to get out of Iraq for eons, and when forced to put up or shut up by putting it to a vote, they didn't.
The significance of this whole thing is that the left will do anything to regain power, even if it means bashing our troops and losing this war. They know that history will look kindly upon President Bush and will look very favorably upon this war on terror. The left doesn't want to be on the wrong side of history, so common sense would say they wouldn't want their names on any official documents showing their disdain for our men and women in uniform. In 30 years they want to see, "See? We were behind the whole war on terror!"
It's all about reclaiming the White House for the left, plain and simple. And this vote exposed them for exactly that.
Getting things wrong and lying is a distinctly different experience than getting things right and telling the truth.
Incorrectly going into Iraq in the first place is what caused the very difficult discussions today. We had no evidence so it was our word against theirs and our "system" says we have no right to fire on them first.
The first job of anyone who wants to fight terrorism is to be sure that they, themselves, are not a terrorist.
Or, more succinctly, whose terror are we talking about here, yours or mine?
Where the damn do you get your info?
Do you take information directly from the Republican teet?
Lets think about this, The Democrats in the capitol are trying to launch a campaign to smear the War in Iraq, because they believe it was a bad move. The next logical step for the Republicans would be to present all the correct and positive effects of the War, but they don't do that, they launch a smear campaign against the character of the Dems, one that you have completely bought into.
I am NOT Democrat, but I am definitely NOT Republican, I urge you to step back from your political affiliations and examine the whole picture before ranting about how stupid and unfounded the Democrats' arguments are.
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
The left has been crying and whining to get out of Iraq for eons, and when forced to put up or shut up by putting it to a vote, they didn't.
It's all about reclaiming the White House for the left, plain and simple. And this vote exposed them for exactly that. |
The fact that the capitol is almost completely controlled by the Right-wing should be reason enough to not vote. Let's examine this:
Executive? Right-wing conservative.
Legislative? Right-wing 52% Majority
Judicial? Four new conservative Right-wing Judges.
The checks and balances have failed this time around, all three of the areas of our "democratic" government are catering to Right-wing Conservatives. I for one would be a bit put off if they just asked for a vote, that's like saying "whatever, we're more powerful than you and we don't care what you have to say."
| LeviticusMky wrote: |
The checks and balances have failed this time around, |
No, what's "failed" is the abililty of the Dems/Lieberals to put forth a plan for victory, in life, in war, AND in politics. To me, it's a clear and precise indication that the Dems are losing ground FAST and will be extinct in the near future. About the only ones left defending them are the a) ignorant and b) extreme.
I agree with you, The democratic party is backwards, they don't know what they're doing, and they seem to be pandering to the many different people that make up their base.
However, I caution you against demonizing all liberals, because we are very intelligent and separate from the democratic party for the most part.
| LeviticusMky wrote: | ..
However, I caution you against demonizing all liberals, because we are very intelligent and separate from the democratic party for the most part. |
Point well taken. The Democratic Party in general is backwards. Problem is, the EXTREME Liberals are more backwards (extreme) than the basic Dems are, so I tend to pick on them a bit more. But you're absolutely correct, Liberals ARE a smart bunch and often, when civil, provide enlightening and well informed debates.
| S3nd K3ys wrote: | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,176043,00.html
| Quote: | WASHINGTON — Rep. John Murtha's call to pull all U.S. troops out of Iraq within six months continued to draw emotional comment from Republicans, Democrats and members of the military Friday.
Republicans in general were highly critical of the Pennsylvania Democrat's position, saying U.S. troops must finish the job. Democrats largely defended the Vietnam War veteran's patriotism but declined to support his call for a quick withdrawal. |
The enragement of the Dems was priceless! They were crying about pulling troops out NOW, then when the Repubs said "Ok, fine! You want out, lets put it to an up or down vote RIGHT NOW!", The Dems were tripping over themselves trying to get out of the vote because they KNEW it was a bad idea and would never pass. Not to mention how utterly STUPID it made them look.
I think the best part is, that now they are ALL ON RECORD as to their position in this. They will have a much harder time lying about the pres lying than they had before.
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didnt they change the vote to pulling the troops out too soon? The democrats were asking for a date in the future I believe.
Who knows if there will be an end to it, all that I THINK is that both political parties have made mistakes, namely the R party, and now, namely the D party. Neither of them is perfect at all, and never will be. While the R party has almost complete control over Capitol Hill, lets not forget the MANY great Democratic party officials and presidents, Namely FDR, who walked an entire nation out of a seamlessly impossible to beat depression, that was, largely at fault, to the R parties past elected officials. There have been HORRIBLE R party presidents before, Nixon serving as a great example with watergate, but also horrible D president's, Clinton being a good example there. In my closing opinion, political parties always make mistakes. Just as Lyndon Johnson directed troops into Vietnam, with a death toll of over 50,000, George W. bush has directed troops into Iraq, with a rising death toll. Both wars were meaningless, they have no point. With the Iraq War was BASED on SUSPECTED lies, at least a toppled regime was removed from power. While the Vietnam war did absolutely nothing for America as a nation, or to the world. In 40 years, will the Iraqi war be the same as the Vietnam war in Americans eyes? Maybe, Maybe not.[/b]
| Omego2K@ wrote: |
didnt they change the vote to pulling the troops out too soon? The democrats were asking for a date in the future I believe. |
Well, I've heard several Dems say "immediatly" pull out. I've heard several Dems say "we're losing".
We are, in fact, winning. They want to give the enemy the heads-up about our intention. How stupid is that? 
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