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Any thing suit for beginners better than FrontPage





intle
I read many posts regarding this topic but seems all better solutions are not able to use as quick and simple as FrontPage can handle.

So the problem comes, IS THERE ANY TOOL better than FRONTPAGE and canbe soon used for design a decent WEBsite?

I am a greenhand in web design and only know some basic HTMLs. I used to be senior programmer who knew FORTRAN, basic C, Foxbase and assemble languages etc. I went away from this field for years.

Now I just have time and would like to build a web site. I DO believe that there might be many scripts better than HTML, but what I care much is to set up the site as soon as possible.

Then, would you please recommend me a design tool better than FRONTPAGE for me to fit in?!

Thanks all!
jasperlevink
Macromedia Dreamweaver is the best WYSIWYG tool
Arcath
Dreamweaver........

Notepad :p
intle
Thanks a lot, Jasperlevink and Arcath.
requiredroom
Dreamweaver is a good program but I don't like it. =P
If you have Photoshop, what you can do it make the layout in a say 700x1000 canvas. Like literally make it how it would like like (without text). Afterwards, get the slice tool and cut the image up into little pictures. Once you're done go to File>>Save As For Web
Then save it as "index" or whatever suits you. Afterwards, wherever you saved your file (Desktop, My Documents) there will be 2 new items. A Folder called 'images' and an Internet File. Right click the internet file and click 'Open With...'>>>Wordpad. Then a whole bunch of html coding will come up.
Now this might overwhelm you but its basically a giant table with the images ligned up.
Now, make every image a Background image by chamging the coding. For example.

**This is how the coding was before**
"<TD>
<IMG SRC="images/index.png" WIDTH=52 HEIGHT=16 ALT=""></TD>"

What you have to do is combine the <TD> tag with the img tag by replacing it with:
" <TD background ="images/index.png" WIDTH=52 HEIGHT=16 ALT=""></TD>"

Get it? Be sure ONLY TO REPLACE THE "IMG SRC" TAG AND NOT ANYHTING ELSE!!! THE NAME AND DIMENSIONS SHOULD STAY EXACTLY THE SAME!!

Now, if that particular image is one on which text will go, at the end of the IMG Tag, simple place valign="top" align="left" (Or whatever else your site calls for)." Then right after you close the tag, begin typing your content.

I hope you understood this as it was very difficult for me to explain. If you need any more help feel free to e-mail me at "erick_the_fonz@yahoo.com"

Good Luck!
-Erick
supjapscrapper
intle wrote:
I read many posts regarding this topic but seems all better solutions are not able to use as quick and simple as FrontPage can handle.

So the problem comes, IS THERE ANY TOOL better than FRONTPAGE and canbe soon used for design a decent WEBsite?

I am a greenhand in web design and only know some basic HTMLs. I used to be senior programmer who knew FORTRAN, basic C, Foxbase and assemble languages etc. I went away from this field for years.

Now I just have time and would like to build a web site. I DO believe that there might be many scripts better than HTML, but what I care much is to set up the site as soon as possible.

Then, would you please recommend me a design tool better than FRONTPAGE for me to fit in?!

Thanks all!


Hi!
Well easier that Frontpage you'll get Dreamwearver, but better that Frontpage are almost all professional quality WYSIWYGs. Some of them are free like NVU, and just with some HTML and some quick mouse manovering techniques you'll get a website in 2-3 minutes (but really basic! in fact a single page) you'll probably need a little more time to get a real quality site (which is hard just using HTML Very Happy). Now just get yourself to graphic tool slike fireworks or photoshop, theser are the tools with which you'll send ost of the time Very Happy
Arcath
requiredroom wrote:
Dreamweaver is a good program but I don't like it. =P
If you have Photoshop, what you can do it make the layout in a say 700x1000 canvas. Like literally make it how it would like like (without text). Afterwards, get the slice tool and cut the image up into little pictures. Once you're done go to File>>Save As For Web
Then save it as "index" or whatever suits you. Afterwards, wherever you saved your file (Desktop, My Documents) there will be 2 new items. A Folder called 'images' and an Internet File. Right click the internet file and click 'Open With...'>>>Wordpad. Then a whole bunch of html coding will come up.
Now this might overwhelm you but its basically a giant table with the images ligned up.
Now, make every image a Background image by chamging the coding. For example.

**This is how the coding was before**
"<TD>
<IMG SRC="images/index.png" WIDTH=52 HEIGHT=16 ALT=""></TD>"

What you have to do is combine the <TD> tag with the img tag by replacing it with:
" <TD background ="images/index.png" WIDTH=52 HEIGHT=16 ALT=""></TD>"

Get it? Be sure ONLY TO REPLACE THE "IMG SRC" TAG AND NOT ANYHTING ELSE!!! THE NAME AND DIMENSIONS SHOULD STAY EXACTLY THE SAME!!

Now, if that particular image is one on which text will go, at the end of the IMG Tag, simple place valign="top" align="left" (Or whatever else your site calls for)." Then right after you close the tag, begin typing your content.

I hope you understood this as it was very difficult for me to explain. If you need any more help feel free to e-mail me at "erick_the_fonz@yahoo.com"

Good Luck!
-Erick


that wont actually work :p IE5 and below dont understand the background element it has to be done like:

<td style="background-image:url(images/index.png); hight:16;" width=52>
The hieght has to be in ths style cause it doesnt understand that either
intle
Thank you all.
Any way, I must work out some pages and to see which is better suit for my requirements. The outcome pages can be edited by different tools, and then I can change it over whenever I need.
lazaruz
I have to agree with the former posters, Dreamweaver combined with Photoshop, you can't beat that.
Timmie24
Perhaps a little explanation should be added: I do agree that Dreamweaver is way better than Frontpage, but why?

The main reason for me is that Frontpage writes really sloppy html code which makes it hard to find your way in the code when you want to adjust something. Frontpage also generated more html code than necessary, making your files bigger than they should be.

It also writes stuff that is only rendered well in Internet Explorer but not in other browsers.

Any other reasons?
shabda
For a newbie you cant beet fronpage for ease of use. But it writes really sloppy code, typical M$.
Quote:
used to be senior programmer who knew FORTRAN, basic C, Foxbase and assemble languages etc.

Why do you want to make switch to webdesigning, the people with knowledge of c, assembly are better paid.
e-core
If you can use Macromedia Studio it has Dreamweaver and Fireworks (their image manipulation software) these intergrate extremely well together, so you can create HTML and menu's in Fireworks and add them into your webpages in Dreamweaver.
Scaramanga
Arcath wrote:
Notepad :p

This might've been somewhat in jest, but I agree with this. I mean the OP is/was a programmer, s/he should have no problem hand coding.

And I guess I'll second (third, fourth, fifth?) the recommendation for Dreamweaver, if you absolutely MUST use an app to do web design. Plus, it was one of the first editors to allow you to make manual changes to the code and see it immediately take effect in the WYSIWYG window, and vice versa.
haris3
[color=green]I think flash and macromedia dreamweaver are the best. Frontpage comes handy also, but flash is better. You can do more designing and animations than dreamweaver and frontpage. Just go to their website and download a demo. It is really fun once you get used to it a lil bit.

I love flash. Really awesome program. Plus the file size is really small and the picture doesn't pixelate if you enlarge the page or zome in.[/color]

[color=red][b]Try it out, you will love it.[/b][/color]
c_nopaty
use mambo for the greatest design of website
Kestrel
Personally, if I'm doing any sort of design, it's with Photoshop and Notepad. I have tried Dreamweaver and Frontpage both, didn't like either of them. I prefer raw code. Twisted Evil
mystuff
If you are a beginer, DreamWeaver is a better tool.
If you are designing a dynamic web site with JAVA/JSP, IDEA is a best one.
tingkagol
Kestrel wrote:
Personally, if I'm doing any sort of design, it's with Photoshop and Notepad. I have tried Dreamweaver and Frontpage both, didn't like either of them. I prefer raw code. Twisted Evil

mmm... you forgot to mention php-nuke. Razz
dray101
I was (and kind-of still am) a beginer at Web Design and HTML but I learnt all I needed (and need) to know about web design just using a free downloaded tutorial and Notepad.

I think my site looks great (its not on the web yet, soon Exclamation ) and I did it all using raw code.

The good thing about raw code is that the site ends up really simple to use and loads really fast beacuse only what you want and need is put on it.

I reckon that if you want to make a really good site you need to know basic codeing and build you site with that. Other bits, like JavaScipt, can be copyed and pasted in.

Else... if you don't what a 'really good' site and just a basic one for maybe you friends or family etc then you can use a program the best being Dreamweaver but thats only if you want a small scrappy site!

Raw codes the best! Very Happy

PS. I used Writing HTML from http://www.mcli.dist.maricopa.edu/tut/ to learn HTML.
riv_
I wouldn't waste my time on a wysiwyg.
It sounds like you have the background to be pretty comfortable learning the cose.
There's a lot of free web editors out there. Even try Notetab, it's free, and has some nice features,
and I would strongly recommend learning to code by hand.
What's the point of designing your own page if you don't have total control over the code?
THere are excellent tutorials, links, resources on the w3c site. I'd start there.
That said, it's hardly fast. That's the way I'm doing it myself, and I still have a lot to learn!
Good luck!
DREntertainment
Dont use frontpage! As a beginner, you should familiaize yourself with all the HTML first. Try some tutorials at Zymic.com or do a google search for "HTML Tutorials." Then once you've masterd HTML, it would be a good idea to forget about FrontPage or DreamWeaver, and move on to PHP + HTML Integretion. This means you make a layout (either on PS or html) and split it into 3. header, index (or the name of the other pages) and footer. So in the index file all you would have to do is put

<php include ('header')>
Blah blah blah
<php include ('footer.php')

Well, that may not be the exact code, but for more info visit The Room of Requiement tutorials or Zymic.com!
Hope i could help!
solarwind
Use bluefish on linux. Bluefish is an advanced html editor. I think its the best one. And you should not just fool around with frontpage. Instead, you should learn html first. Search htmlcodetutorial on a good search engine and find the site. It has a lot of good tutorials on various aspects of html. Then use Bluefish with what you have learned and you can make awesome looking websites in almost notime. And remember, a good menu is part of a good website, so use a good menu that suits your website.
Nyizsa
Hand coding is the best way to make sure that your site looks and behaves like you intended it to. For a C programmer JavaScript (Java, PHP) will be quite familiar. For simple HTML coding I recommend Microsoft Script Editor which came in the Office package. It has syntax highlighting and property lists, and a thorough help with a lot of examples. Or Sothink HTML editor for free. http://www.sothink.com/product/htmleditor/ (Actually shareware, but all the free version can't do is editing more files at one time.)
For the next step I recommend PHP Designer 2005 (also for free), it has syntax highlighting for PHP, HTML, XML and much more. http://www.mpsoftware.dk
engeland
I really recommend dreamweaver

i cant even start with notepad Laughing
drtooty
i need to know what is the differnce between frontpage n dream weaver??? anyone can help??
whoa
If you have used other Microsoft Office Apps: MS Word, Excel, PowerPoint then dont even think about using Dreamweaver, Stick with Frontpage. Primarly because you will be very comfortable with the feel of it, as it has very much the same layout as all the other M$ Programs.

Even if you are new to the Microsoft interface FrontPage is still reccomended as it dosent pressure you to use Layers/Divs and css combinations.

Once you gain a bit more skill the advance to Dramweaver.

If you stilll feel quite overwhelmed with the choices just refer to the following sofisticated code:
[ NEWBIE = FRONTPAGE / PROFFESSIONAL = DREAMWEAVER ]
vignesh_natraj
I have created a site using Frontpage.I am not able to view
my site properly in different hosts,
For example my site looks exactly as what i designed in Tripod and when i host it any other free host iam not able to view it properly any help .
Also i want to know whether FRIHost supports Frontpage extensions.please PM.
pjv
You can also try using a content management system (CMS). A lot of designs that you can find, no need of programming and coding. All you have to do is to set up the configuration files, database and your data.

Check out http://opensourcecms.com/ where you can see a list of CMS and their demo.
todabeat
I've been using Frontpage for about 4 years now, and everytime i'll tell someone about that. they tell me to switch to dreamweaver. but frontpage is pretty easy to use. I have no complains.
Insanity
Handcoding through say Notepad might give you the most control over how you want your site to look, but if your site is going to be bigger than a simple personal page or site then it might get a bit more difficult to maintain your site as it grows. But I suppose if its nothing too big Notepad would be a fine editor (provided you know your HTML).
Ashims
The honest to god fastest and most rewarding way to build a website is HTML/CSS using http://www.w3schools.com as a reference. WYSIWYG editors tend to get in your way, create ugly unreadble code, and glitch and annoy on the smallest things taking hours to fix.

Doing it by hand, what you write is what you get.

A Markup language should be no problem for a seasoned coder like yourself.

Cheers.
Ash.
charliehk
Both NVU and FCKeditor are free and easy to use!
gagabepp
EMACS, of course! And especially for HTML Willy Meybohm`s HTML-Editor aka phase 5, also free. If it REALLY has to be WYSIWYG, then I like Dreamweaver a lot. But no matter which tool you use, be careful to produce clean code which fulfills as many standards as possible.
XHTML, as a language, is also worth looking at.
kido
I used to use FrontPage and swear by it too. But eversince i got my computer reformatted for a stupid virus+Keylogger. I lost my FrontPage. I went around sourcing for frontpage downloads. But i cannnot find anything. So i got dreamweaver and get it. Now i LOVE dreamweaver.

I also got Photohop. But i'm still a rookie at both. I only know how to use we templates. I cant even do my own website.

*Feels depressed and start to hit his own pea brain

Man.... I dunno how to make templates. But i'm still happy. At least i haven exhausted my templates.
VIPER VENOM
I also a newbi at webpages. but for me DREAMWEAVER is all i have used so far. i tried others but ended up really confused. my opinion ( nad everyone has one ). no better combination than dreamweaver and notepad.
Grimboy
NVU is brilliant and creates standards complient sites unlike most of the comercial ones. After that you can work up to using a glorified text editor such as PHP Designer.
zjosie729
DreamWeaver would be a great program for making a website for beginners and more advanced people. I have tried tons of other programs but they are very annoying and complicated. One that is close to DreamWeaver is BlueVoda. It's pretty nice and it's free.
Phil
Someone here already mentioned that you can't beat Dreamweaver and Photoshop combo........................True.
But if your in the same boat as I am, you can't pay for them either!
For what I do on my personal pages, HTML Kit, NVU and the GIMP suffice. Throw in the lite version of Top Style and your a lean, mean designing machine.
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