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FBI cracks Apple Pass Code - hardware or software?





deanhills
Wonder whether the FBI has discovered a flaw in Apple's iPhone, or just got lucky with the hardware? Also wonder what the consequences of it is going to be. Like is it ethical for FBI to do so? And how would that affect the security of iPhones?

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/28/472105583/listeners-questions-about-unlocking-phone-battle-answered

This part of the above article has me curious. Did FBI manage to crack the code with the software or the hardware of the phone?

Quote:
SELYUKH: One bit of speculation that I've heard - and to be clear, this is pure speculation - there is something called memory chip cloning or mirroring. It involves de-soldering the memory chip and copying all of its information onto a similar chip, and that sort of lets you reset the phone when you get close to too many failed passcode attempts so you don't wipe out the data. And another theory is that the FBI is exploiting some kind of obscure flaw in the security of the iPhone's software.
rx9876
deanhills wrote:
Wonder whether the FBI has discovered a flaw in Apple's iPhone, or just got lucky with the hardware? Also wonder what the consequences of it is going to be. Like is it ethical for FBI to do so? And how would that affect the security of iPhones?

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/28/472105583/listeners-questions-about-unlocking-phone-battle-answered

This part of the above article has me curious. Did FBI manage to crack the code with the software or the hardware of the phone?

Quote:
SELYUKH: One bit of speculation that I've heard - and to be clear, this is pure speculation - there is something called memory chip cloning or mirroring. It involves de-soldering the memory chip and copying all of its information onto a similar chip, and that sort of lets you reset the phone when you get close to too many failed passcode attempts so you don't wipe out the data. And another theory is that the FBI is exploiting some kind of obscure flaw in the security of the iPhone's software.


According to another report, the shooters already destroyed all their own electronic devices.

This iPhone FBI unlocked is just a phone used for work,
and I wonder how many useful information they could retrieve from this phone.
It's a really long shot, which might be just in vain.

However, IMHO, the point is how many we would give up for the anti-terrorism.

Lots technical companies sides with the Apple, refuse this kind of help.
How do we know the governments only use the unlock technique for terrorist's phone?

On the contrary, I think the technical companies should provide this service to the governments.
At least, the company could verify if the device the government want to unlock is belong to the terrorist or not.
Since there is a convenient way to unlock devices, the governments might not put resources into developing cracking techniques which might be used to unlock anyone's device.
Peterssidan
If it takes this much work the security sounds pretty good to me. I'm not sure FBI goes too far because they had access to the physical object. If the information they tried to access had been stored in a safe they would have succeeded long time ago. If they were able to read the information without having access to the phone, and without the owner knowing, that would have been more upsetting.
standready
Every electronic device can be hacked! I hope the FBI classifies the so Apple can't gain access. laugh
deanhills
standready wrote:
Every electronic device can be hacked! I hope the FBI classifies the so Apple can't gain access. laugh
That would make for an interesting court case for sure, much more entertaining than the O.J. Simpson Trial. Would make for a great movie as well. Razz
RosenCruz
FBI got help from an Israeli security firm as far as I know. May be this is just rumour.
deanhills
RosenCruz wrote:
FBI got help from an Israeli security firm as far as I know. May be this is just rumour.
All of it appears to be window dressing and lying. Check out the video below - the real story starts on the 4.55 minute mark.

1. The content of the phone was already known to the FBI even before the court case started. FBI didn't need to hack into the phone.
2. Not sure what the reason was for the court case, the broadcast below sees it as psy-ops, some seem to think it's for manipulating the facts surrounding hacking of phones.

Not sure how valid the content of the show is below, but since I'm very cynical about news reporting myself, I would not be surprised if it were the truth. Interesting part is that Johns Hopkins also found a hole in Apple's Encryption. And I can just imagine there must be huge numbers of IT geeks who are testing whether they can do it as well. Like it's become a challenge for hackers to see whether they can also get into Apple phones.


Source:
Quote:
Story #2 (starts at 4.55 minute mark of show): Israel's Cellebrite Revealed As Company Helping FBI Hack iPhone Encryption
http://bit.ly/1q3i91n
Media Monarchy: “Cellebrite”
http://bit.ly/21IefXe
Johns Hopkins Researchers Poke Hole In Apple's Encryption
http://bit.ly/1VHzZDa
International Forecaster: The Apple / FBI Psy-op Explained
http://bit.ly/25nqIEo
Video Flashback: The Israeli Spy Ring (Dec 2001)
http://bit.ly/1T777U0
jajarvin
standready wrote:
Every electronic device can be hacked!

That's right.
Keystrokes can be remotely tracked with high accuracy.

Here here is a quote from the article:

  • Keystrokes can be remotely tracked with high accuracy at the 67-feet (20-meter) distance by using a homemade device that analyzes the radio spectrum and costs around $5,000. It is interesting to note that the attack is equally effective against common cheap USB keyboards, expensive wireless keyboards with a signal encryption, and built-in notebook keyboards.
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