NEWS24.COM: "Forecasts that oil prices could beyond $100 a barrel cannot be easily dismissed amid soaring global demand and hovering speculative today. according to APEC the current reserves can last 41 years, under current production of 80 million barrels a day. ... natural gas is good for 67 years under current production levels" (APEX said in another article in the BUSINESS TIMES - PTA NEWS - yesterday that its more than enough to last OUR lifetime)"! That is shocking news!Are you concerving?
$100 oil "possible". Full story on NEWS24.COM
ive heard that they've created technology that cars can run on water (H2O) and burning the hydrogen and using the oxygen too. they say its a more cleaner fuel which means it gives less harmful emissions. but they havent bought it out because all the petrol stations would shut down and people wouldnt need to purchase fuel, just use ordinary water. has anybody else heard this rumour? or have any sources (i heard from my chemistry teacher)
It's about time that people start thinking about a different way to solve energy problems. I mean, everybody knew all along oil resources won't last forever.
And sometimes people only change attitudes if it cost them not only a little but much, much more.
So, let's hope we find a cheap and clean alternative to oil.
And sometimes people only change attitudes if it cost them not only a little but much, much more.
So, let's hope we find a cheap and clean alternative to oil.
| NuniPio wrote: |
| ive heard that they've created technology that cars can run on water (H2O) and burning the hydrogen and using the oxygen too. they say its a more cleaner fuel which means it gives less harmful emissions. but they havent bought it out because all the petrol stations would shut down and people wouldnt need to purchase fuel, just use ordinary water. has anybody else heard this rumour? or have any sources (i heard from my chemistry teacher) |
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_fuel_cell.
| NuniPio wrote: |
| ive heard that they've created technology that cars can run on water (H2O) and burning the hydrogen and using the oxygen too. they say its a more cleaner fuel which means it gives less harmful emissions. but they havent bought it out because all the petrol stations would shut down and people wouldnt need to purchase fuel, just use ordinary water. has anybody else heard this rumour? or have any sources (i heard from my chemistry teacher) |
yeah, i've heard something along the lines of that
i hope it is true, we really need some kind of an alternative to fuel
to be realistic, i find it hard to believe that it could be true as such a breakthrough would be all over the news,
i think what is more likely is that this kind of a breakthrough would be possible if the huge oil companies weren't so controlling over it,
interesting topic though, and a very important one, when all the SUV drivers run out of oil they'll eventually come around, but by then, it'll be too late.
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The best alternative to gas is electricity.
The Hydrogen fuel cell that you mention is a good clean alternative, but it still requires a lot of infrastructure to be effective. We'd need to have as many hydrogen stations as we do gas stations in order for it to be effective. Plus then we'd be reliant on a different raw material to power our transportation, because the Hydrogen Ion that is required to run a fuel cell is pretty rare, and needs to be mined.
Electricity, on the other hand, is already in every single home, and it is the most efficient energy source available to the automotive industry.
The one problem with electric is the weight of the batteries required to equal a gasoline engine's range, but the technology is coming quick.
The Hydrogen fuel cell that you mention is a good clean alternative, but it still requires a lot of infrastructure to be effective. We'd need to have as many hydrogen stations as we do gas stations in order for it to be effective. Plus then we'd be reliant on a different raw material to power our transportation, because the Hydrogen Ion that is required to run a fuel cell is pretty rare, and needs to be mined.
Electricity, on the other hand, is already in every single home, and it is the most efficient energy source available to the automotive industry.
The one problem with electric is the weight of the batteries required to equal a gasoline engine's range, but the technology is coming quick.
I wouldn't be surprised if the technology is not already there, but just unavailable to the consumer market.
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... lower gas prices
... lower gas prices
| LeviticusMky wrote: |
| The best alternative to gas is electricity.
Electricity, on the other hand, is already in every single home, and it is the most efficient energy source available to the automotive industry. The one problem with electric is the weight of the batteries required to equal a gasoline engine's range, but the technology is coming quick. |
Excuse me ! Did you asked yourself how electricity is generated ? Mostly by fossil fuel: Oil, gas, coal.
The fraction of electricity generated by solar, wind and hydroelectrical sources is still too limited.
Please look at the problem at its source not at the end !
It is necessry to generate electric power by renewable energy sources. Not by conventional fossil fuels. Than electricity will really be a clean (but not so efficient as you might think ) energy source.
It all gets down to costs. Now than oil price is skyrocketing, alternative energy sources seem more and more affordable.
Even if oil will disappear in 40 years our world will be able to cope and turn its attention to alternatives to oil. Look at what it is going on now with cars, we are at the down of a new trend where more and more manufacturers explore hybrid engines.
This is jut the beginning of the process. My guess is that internal combustion engines in 40 years will be available only in museums....
There's an extremely interesting website that deals with this phenomenon. Which, by the way, is called Peak Oil. A lot of people don't understand how truly dependant we are on oil. Here are some quotes from the website that will get you interested, I think:
www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net
Although I do not agree with everything that has been posted on that website, especially their predictions of how the damage will occur, there's no denying that life will be bleak after Peak Oil happens.
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| Oil will not just "run out" because all oil production follows a bell curve. This is true whether we're talking about an individual field, a country, or on the planet as a whole.
Oil is increasingly plentiful on the upslope of the bell curve, increasingly scarce and expensive on the down slope. The peak of the curve coincides with the point at which the endowment of oil has been 50 percent depleted. Once the peak is passed, oil production begins to go down while cost begins to go up. In practical and considerably oversimplified terms, this means that if 2000 was the year of global Peak Oil, worldwide oil production in the year 2020 will be the same as it was in 1980. However, the world’s population in 2020 will be both much larger (approximately twice) and much more industrialized (oil-dependent) than it was in 1980. Consequently, worldwide demand for oil will outpace worldwide production of oil by a significant margin. As a result, the price will skyrocket, oil-dependant economies will crumble, and resource wars will explode. The issue is not one of "running out" so much as it is not having enough to keep our economy running. In this regard, the ramifications of Peak Oil for our civilization are similar to the ramifications of dehydration for the human body. The human body is 70 percent water. The body of a 200 pound man thus holds 140 pounds of water. Because water is so crucial to everything the human body does, the man doesn't need to lose all 140 pounds of water weight before collapsing due to dehydration. A loss of as little as 10-15 pounds of water may be enough to kill him. |
www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net
Although I do not agree with everything that has been posted on that website, especially their predictions of how the damage will occur, there's no denying that life will be bleak after Peak Oil happens.
Human race achieved high level of civilization far before the oil was discovered and became a drug for the life of our economies.
There will be a way out to other energy sources other than oil. Maybe we have to start now to change the way we are thinking. Maybe we will go back to an era where agriculture will be more important than manufacturing industry.
There will be a way out to other energy sources other than oil. Maybe we have to start now to change the way we are thinking. Maybe we will go back to an era where agriculture will be more important than manufacturing industry.
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Excuse me ! Did you asked yourself how electricity is generated ? Mostly by fossil fuel: Oil, gas, coal. The fraction of electricity generated by solar, wind and hydroelectrical sources is still too limited. Please look at the problem at its source not at the end ! |
Oh believe me, I have.
We are on the same side here, but I feel that I must rebut your statement nonetheless.
I fully realize that electricity is currently generated by coal, predominantly, and nuclear power, secondly. The first thing to realize is that electricity is pure energy, the final goal, any hydrogen engine will be generating electricity to power electrical motors, the end goal is electricity.
Second, centralizing power generation is vastly superior to distributing it, as a small internal combustion or hydrogen engine is massively inefficient as compared to a large scale power generation unit.
Add to that the possibility of clean fusion power within the next couple of decades and you have a convincing case for pure electrical cars and "jack in" battery systems.
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