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Congratulations to Ireland





Bikerman
There has been a referendum in Ireland (the Republic of Ireland) today on the issue of gay marriage. Ireland has always been an intensely Catholic country and homosexuality was still illegal there 20 years ago.

How things have moved-on! The final result is not yet in, but it is certain that there is a HUGE majority in favour of gay marriage - so much so that the 'no' campaigners have already admitted defeat.

This is a wonderful illustration of the progress that is possible when organised religion is unable to exert the usual malign, bigoted influence one has come to expect.
Fortunately the Catholic Church in Ireland has been so badly damaged, by revelations of child-rape and other historical abuses, that the usual hypocritical appeal to moral authority was effectively neutralised, leaving the Church almost silent during the referendum campaign.

Way to go Ireland. Nice one!
rx9876
Bikerman wrote:
There has been a referendum in Ireland (the Republic of Ireland) today on the issue of gay marriage. Ireland has always been an intensely Catholic country and homosexuality was still illegal there 20 years ago.

How things have moved-on! The final result is not yet in, but it is certain that there is a HUGE majority in favour of gay marriage - so much so that the 'no' campaigners have already admitted defeat.

This is a wonderful illustration of the progress that is possible when organised religion is unable to exert the usual malign, bigoted influence one has come to expect.
Fortunately the Catholic Church in Ireland has been so badly damaged, by revelations of child-rape and other historical abuses, that the usual hypocritical appeal to moral authority was effectively neutralised, leaving the Church almost silent during the referendum campaign.

Way to go Ireland. Nice one!


I'm not familiar with the laws in the United Kingdom.
If Ireland passed the law to allow homosexual marriage, how will it be executed?

Are those people belong to Ireland applied to new laws only?
Do people in the other parts of the United Kingdom still remain the same?

Or those people in the other parts of United Kingdom could go to Ireland and register as married, and this relationship will be recognized of all parts of the United Kingdom.
Peterssidan
Ireland is not part of the UK.
Bikerman
rx9876 wrote:
I'm not familiar with the laws in the United Kingdom.
If Ireland passed the law to allow homosexual marriage, how will it be executed?

Are those people belong to Ireland applied to new laws only?
Do people in the other parts of the United Kingdom still remain the same?

Or those people in the other parts of United Kingdom could go to Ireland and register as married, and this relationship will be recognized of all parts of the United Kingdom.
People often get confused about this - for understandable reasons.
The island of Ireland is divided into 2. The 'top' part is known as Northern Ireland and is part of the UK. The rest of the island is a distinct country known as the Republic of Ireland and is NOT part of the UK.

This is basically the source of conflict that has raged for centuries.

Irish republicans believe that the whole of the island should be united as a republic - not part of the UK. Republicans are mostly Catholic. The political party associated with republicanism is Sinn Féin (pronounced Shin Fayn) and the largest paramilitary group associated with republicanism is the Irish Republican Army (the IRA).

Loyalists or Unionists believe that Northern Ireland should remain part of the UK. They are generally Protestants. The largest political party associated with this group is the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) and the largest paramilitary group is the Ulster Defence Association (UDA).

That is a very brief and extremely simplified sketch of the whole 'Ireland problem'......a more complete description would need several volumes....

So, in answer to the specifics - this law affects the Republic of Ireland and applies, like any law, to the citizens of that country. Now, here's where it gets a bit complicated. Northern Ireland is part of the UK...BUT...it has local (devolved) powers to set law independent of England, Scotland and Wales. Northern Ireland is now the only part of the UK which does not allow gay marriage. Unfortunately the troubles in that province have led to a polarised politics which has resulted in a whole generation of politicians who are (in my opinion) the worst sort of sectarian scumbags - both on the Republican and the Unionist side (with very few notable and honourable exceptions).
For this reason I don't see Northern Ireland endorsing gay marriage anytime soon....
So any gay couple getting married in the Republic of Ireland would have their marriage recognised in England, Scotland and Wales but, ironically, not in the north of the island on which they reside.
rx9876
Wow...

I made a huge mistake in the former post,
and I beg for the pardon of everyone who feels offended.

I know the Ireland issue, but not in the detail.

There are so many similar issues around the world.
I did some googling...
North Korean ( the Democratic People's Republic of Korea) / South Korean (the Republic of Korea)
North Ireland / The rest of the Ireland (the Republic of Ireland)
Main land China (the People's Republic of China) / Taiwan (the Republic of China)

There are also some others countries could be found some articles about splitting on the Internet.
Ukraine, Saudia Arabia, Italy, Belgium.
deanhills
rx9876 wrote:
There are also some others countries could be found some articles about splitting on the Internet.
Ukraine, Saudia Arabia, Italy, Belgium.
And most recently Sudan. Smile

Guess it is to be expected that religion would have to change all over in the world as humanity evolves, also in Catholic Ireland. Doesn't mean it has gone away though. I'm almost certain a large number of the Catholic voters in Republican Ireland would have found a religious reason for supporting gay marriage ....
Quote:
One elderly Irish couple put it this way: “We are Catholics, and we are taught to believe in compassion and love and fairness and inclusion. Equality, that’s all we’re voting for.”
Source: http://time.com/3895214/ireland-gay-marriage-referendum-catholic-church/
Bikerman
deanhills wrote:
Guess it is to be expected that religion would have to change all over in the world as humanity evolves, also in Catholic Ireland. Doesn't mean it has gone away though. I'm almost certain a large number of the Catholic voters in Republican Ireland would have found a religious reason for supporting gay marriage ....
Quote:
One elderly Irish couple put it this way: “We are Catholics, and we are taught to believe in compassion and love and fairness and inclusion. Equality, that’s all we’re voting for.”
Source: http://time.com/3895214/ireland-gay-marriage-referendum-catholic-church/
The Catholic church hasn't changed in Ireland. What happened is that a large number of Catholics are disgusted with their church and basically said 'sod you' to the clergy who spoke against gay marriage.

This is pretty much common throughout Europe - even the most Catholic countries (Ireland and Italy being at the top of the list) have catholic populations which deliberately ignore key dogma. Hence Italy has one of the lowest birth rates in Europe, despite the Catholic dogma on birth control. The Catholic church is so far removed from the daily experiences of most Catholics that, even though they call themselves Catholic, they simply ignore the more inconvenient dogma and substitute their own pragmatism (for which we should be extremely grateful).

Added to this was the fact that the clergy were very wary about making too much fuss about gay marriage. They knew damn well that the 'pro' lobby had a simple and devastating counter - why should anyone take lessons on morality from a bunch of child-raping thugs?.
profa
Well done Ireland! You just proved you are the best country in the world.
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