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mathiaus
Ok my sites frihost.net domain comes up in google and is indexed etc. I brought a .net domain which I parked via Cpanel. I then submitted it to Google and that url also appears in googles results.

Now i come to my problem. I then also parked another domain .com which I also submitted to google. this one however seems google unfriendly as it does not appear in the search results at all.

I first thought this was because it only used the host domain or whatever so it would only use the frihost.net however it also uses my .net domain so I dont know why this has happened.

I bought and parked my domain at the end of july and still google fails to recognise it Confused

Anyone know what the problem is or how to solve it?
Thanks in advance
Matt
shabda
Quote:
I then also parked another domain http://google.com

LOL so you are owner of google.com. HI, are you Larry Page or are you Sergey Brin?
SunburnedCactus
http://google.com just seems to go to Google... Eh?
mathiaus
Thanks for pointing out that mistake! Laughing

Anyway some advanced searching and payed subscriptions have revealed that I should've used a 301 redirect which I'm now using and hoping this will solve the problem.

Any other ideas or advice would still be helpful though thanks
shabda
Hmm the first thought that came to my mind is that, your site is being sandboxed due to being new(July-nov is less than 6 months). But extreme tracking shows it is alive since nov 11, so that is ruled out. Next step checking links to you on google, yahoo, msn. Yahoo:300+,Msn:700+, Google:0. Also google has not indexed any of your pages. Check using site:http://siriusblacks.com/ . So only reason which seems reasonable to me is that goog is penalising you for using any tactic which they think was Spaming. You are redircting from sir..net to sir..com, right. Were you using 302 previously? Coz goog looks down on 302 rediects, but 301 is ok.
Hey keep us posted on what happens with your website. Probably you will also like to read http://www.mcanerin.com/articles/301-redirect.htm
mathiaus
Well I'm using a code on my main index page from which all other pages are loaded into (using php).
Code:
// right domain
$page = "http://siriusblacks.com" . $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'];
if ($_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'] != "siriusblacks.com") {
header("Location: $page");
exit;
}

I learned about 301 the other day and found a page on it and added this line above the actual header redirect
Code:
header("HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently");


However more confusion sorry. After reading those links you just kindly provided one page says
Quote:
Got it? Good. Now, there is one last thing to keep aware of. Search engine spiders don't execute scripts. So if your redirect is script based (ie a javascript redirect), then the search engine will not execute it and will therefore not arrive at the new page.

which leaves me with a couple more questions...

Question Will Google be redirected to my .com domain at all
Question If not how can make it change?
Question Will it be able to recieve the 301 request
Question If it has penalised against me for just using 302 instead of 301 when it next searches will un penalise me for changing it?
Question This page talks about redirecting through .htaccess. Is this better or just another option

Thanks again for the help Laughing
Matt
shabda
Quote:
Search engine spiders don't execute scripts

SE dont execute scripts which run on clientside like vb/javascript. Yours is PHP code, which runs on server side, so the SE the webpage you expect. It will see the siriusblacks.com. And no if you have been penalised for using 302, once you use 301 it should come in goog index.
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mathiaus
Ok a long time on and I'm still int he same situation. I have however been reading up! Wink
here ( http://www.google.co.uk/webmasters/guidelines.html ) it says
Quote:
Do not create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content.


What I'm wondering is ,wheter removing my .net and frihost.net domains from google and re-submitted my .com it might finally work?
Bondings
First of all, google and other search engines not only hate duplicate content, but it's also giving you a bad ranking qua link-popularity. I already wondered what was up with your site, by the way.

Search engines see them as different domains/pages with the same content. Also, links are going to the different domains instead of 1, causing your site to lose a lot of links.

So, in your case there are 2 problems: different domains and canonical problems (with or without www).

How to fix it?

1) Choose 1 domain with or without www, in your case http://siriusblacks.com/ , I suppose.

2) For all other cases, put a 301 to that domain. 301 means that the page got permanently moved. All links will then count just like they were pointing to the new page.

3) The easiest (but black magic) way to do it is with mod_rewrite in .htaccess file. It's not easy to understand and you can make errors and create eternal loops, so deal with care! Just don't be scared and try it out till it works.

4) And finally, the code.

Code:
#Enable mod_rewrite
RewriteEngine On

#Redirect http://www.siriusblacks.com to http://siriusblacks.com
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^www\.siriusblacks\.com$ [NC]
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://siriusblacks.com/$1 [R=301,L]

#Redirect http://www.siriusblacks.net to http://siriusblacks.com
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^www\.siriusblacks\.net$ [NC]
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://siriusblacks.com/$1 [R=301,L]

#Redirect http://siriusblacks.net to http://siriusblacks.com
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^siriusblacks\.net$ [NC]
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://siriusblacks.com/$1 [R=301,L]

#Redirect http://www.siriusblacks.frihost.net to http://siriusblacks.com
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^www\.siriusblacks\.frihost\.net$ [NC]
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://siriusblacks.com/$1 [R=301,L]

#Redirect http://siriusblacks.frihost.net to http://siriusblacks.com
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^siriusblacks\.frihost\.net$ [NC]
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://siriusblacks.com/$1 [R=301,L]

There is definately a bit shorter version for this(if it isn't siriusblack.com, redirect to it), but it was to give a general way to do it.

By the way, please handle with care, I didn't test it yet.

References:
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_rewrite.html
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/misc/rewriteguide.html
Bondings
To see what google indexed of your site, the most useful way to see this, is to search for "site:<yoursite>".

http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Asiriusblacks.com - not indexed.
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awww.siriusblacks.com - not indexed.

http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Asiriusblacks.net - 2 pages.
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awww.siriusblacks.net - 1 but just the page, not the content.

http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Asiriusblacks.frihost.net - 1810 pages indexed.
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awww.siriusblacks.frihost.net - 448 pages indexed.

This means that there is definately a big problem if you target the .com version.

Quote:
What I'm wondering is ,wheter removing my .net and frihost.net domains from google and re-submitted my .com it might finally work?

Just forget about the submitting to google. The only thing you might want to submit is a site map in rare occasions. Websites don't need to be resubmitted, but linked to. If you submit a website it takes weeks to months for google to visit it and even then, the pages won't have any value without links. If other sites link to your website, then it will be crawled in a matter of days(depending on the quality of the links).
And you already have a link on our homepage, so that definately won't be a problem.
mathiaus
I didnt mention I changed to htaccess a while ago. The first part is my otlink protection the second my correct domain chnage thingy and the third for the urls on my site. Is it possible they conflict?

Code:
RewriteEngine on
Options +FollowSymlinks

RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://awards.siriusblacks.com/.*$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://awards.siriusblacks.com$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://fan.siriusblacks.com/.*$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://fan.siriusblacks.com$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !>http://forum.siriusblacks.com/.*$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://forum.siriusblacks.com$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://network.siriusblacks.com/.*$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://network.siriusblacks.com$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://siriusblacks.com/.*$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://siriusblacks.com$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://topsites.siriusblacks.com/.*$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://topsites.siriusblacks.com$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://www.awards.siriusblacks.com/.*$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://www.awards.siriusblacks.com$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://www.fan.siriusblacks.com/.*$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://www.fan.siriusblacks.com$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://www.forum.siriusblacks.com/.*$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://www.forum.siriusblacks.com$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://www.network.siriusblacks.com/.*$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://www.network.siriusblacks.com$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://www.siriusblacks.com/.*$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://www.siriusblacks.com$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://www.topsites.siriusblacks.com/.*$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://www.topsites.siriusblacks.com$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://wizardspell.net/.*$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://wizardspell.net$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://www.wizardspell.net/.*$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://www.wizardspell.net$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://blackforests.com/.*$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://blackforests.com$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://www.blackforests.com/.*$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://ww.blackforests.com$      [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://galaxiehp.free.fr/.*$      [NC]
RewriteRule .*\.(jpg|jpeg|gif|bmp)$ http://siriusblacks.com/$1 [R,NC]


RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^siriusblacks\.com [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^$
RewriteRule ^(.*) http://siriusblacks.com/$1 [L,R=301]

RewriteBase /
RewriteRule ^\.htaccess$ - [F]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^EmailSiphon
RewriteRule ^.*$ - [F]
RewriteRule ^main/(.*)$ /index.php?siriusblacks=$1
RewriteRule ^main/(.*)/(.*)#(.*)$ /index.php?siriusblacks=$1/$2#$3
RewriteRule ^main/(.*)/(.*)/(.*)#(.*)$ /index.php?siriusblacks=$1/$2/$3#$4
RewriteRule ^book-overview/(.*)/(.*)$ /index.php?siriusblacks=books/overview/$1&chapter=$2
RewriteRule ^main/(.*)/(.*)/(.*)/(.*)#(.*)$ /index.php?siriusblacks=$1/$2/$3/$4#$5


They work fine in my browser and checking here the same but google hasn't recognised it or something
oh and I've submitted a sitemap to google, the only error theyve had was once when the server was down otherwise they claim to have crawled succesfully.

Thanks for all the help Smile
Bondings
Quote:
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^siriusblacks\.com [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^$
RewriteRule ^(.*) http://siriusblacks.com/$1 [L,R=301]

I suppose this code is redirecting every non-siriusblacks.com url with a 301? If yes, then it should be working.

Do you have any other redirects from the other domains? And since when did you add that code to the .htaccess file? A few days, weeks or months?
mathiaus
Thats what its meant to do. It works in IE and FX for me
No other redirects and added it about 3-4 weeks ago Question
Bondings
Then your domain might have been banned due to the duplicate content, hopefully temporarily. Maybe wait till the next google update.
mathiaus
hope so Laughing
Thanks for all the help
LostOverThere
Thats exactly what happened to me.
I'd give it time, it should fix itself.
Dragonfly
This thread is very important and will be helpful to me too. Some keyword in my site has page 1 ranking in Yahoo search and msn search but when I search in Google only the domain itself is simply indexed but no pages are indexed.

I wonder if I have a problem special one like the one above or most of the sites hosted here have this problem.

I will check more and learn more..

If you wish to check out, please visit my signature link to see my site. Thanks.
SoftStag
This is all very interesting.

I notice in Direct Admin, there is an option for Site Redirection. Can this be used to redirect my site without the www to with the www? If so what type of redirection is it and how will Google see it?

I want to redirect http://technical-assistance.co.uk to http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk so however you get there you get http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk
Bondings
SoftStag, this is what I would use:

Code:
RewriteEngine On
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^technical-assistance\.co\.uk$ [NC]
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/$1 [R=301,L]


http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_rewrite.html
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/misc/rewriteguide.html
pacslim
strange problem u got fellow frihoster,
mayby a lil advise from me,
i also have many domains redirecting to my site but i did sum lil things diffrent ok here we go:

first of i made sure my website has dynamicly created pages, so pages with also random content have a look at my site: www.makaveliliveson.com see it has a random quote block, random pictures block(s), constanly changed and updated news,
and sum mo stuff that makes the site everytime u visit it a lil diffrent SO NEVER ENTIRLY DUPLICATE CONTENT ! Even when u visit the same page also im looking into dynamic metatags and dynamic page titles that change also evertime but that i didnt did yet, ok we go on see also on my subdomain tupac.frihost.net its fully scanned and indexed, my .tk domain is a diffrent story i had this before my .com domains and they also dont forward it but put ur site in a frame on their .tk domains, ok last but not least i had allmost the same problem with my other .com domain for the site: www.makaveli-lives-on.com but see i redirected that to a diffrent page then the index so its even more unique !

Hope this lil advise from a fellow phper and frihoster helped !

Wink Arrow
SoftStag
Bondings wrote:
SoftStag, this is what I would use:

Code:
RewriteEngine On
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^technical-assistance\.co\.uk$ [NC]
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/$1 [R=301,L]


http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_rewrite.html
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/misc/rewriteguide.html

Thanks Bondings, works a treat!
fuzzie
cheers ppl - here`s a newbie. thats quite weird that you site dotn appear on google, i bought my domain some time ago but due to lapse of idea and short of time, had not been able to put or get it hosted. but, if i type the name, google recognizes it but when i click on it obvisouly nothing came out - could find the site. what happened?
Marston
Why register more than one domain name in the first place?
DarthSilus
Google sucks.

It's hard to get anything on there. Besides, on the search results, you're lucky if you can 10023rd on on the results list for a query.

There all gay sites ahead of yours too.

I'll give 10 Phri$h to anyone who can get my site number one on on the search results for "Sith Order." lol

Good luck to anyone who deals with Google.
SoftStag
DarthSilus wrote:
Google sucks.

It's hard to get anything on there. Besides, on the search results, you're lucky if you can 10023rd on on the results list for a query.

There all gay sites ahead of yours too.

I'll give 10 Phri$h to anyone who can get my site number one on on the search results for "Sith Order." lol

Good luck to anyone who deals with Google.

That is not true. Google is the most used search engine in the world. The reason you can't get your website higher up is because you are using Flash. Your site won't ever get high up in the rankings on any search engine. You also have to work hard at getting a high ranking on any search engine.

Try reading up on Search Engine Optimisation:
http://www.seomoz.org/
Bondings
DarthSilus wrote:
Google sucks.

It's hard to get anything on there. Besides, on the search results, you're lucky if you can 10023rd on on the results list for a query.

There all gay sites ahead of yours too.

I'll give 10 Phri$h to anyone who can get my site number one on on the search results for "Sith Order." lol

Good luck to anyone who deals with Google.

It seems like your website isn't even indexed by google. To be honest, it shouldn't be that hard to get your website ranked #1 for Sith Order.

Just get a few links like this one and it should be there in less than a month.

Maybe try to list your website in a few of those directories http://info.vilesilencer.com/main.php?rock=seo-friendly.php . And use Sith Order or The Sith Order as site title. That should get your website crawled and probably ranked for that search term.
leon44
how does google actually work, i know it doesn't use keywords.
and what is the best search engine?
secretagenttomtom1388
Yo, I heard this great advice, and I thought everyone should hear it. This is transcribed from a song, so it might sound kinda stupid. Here goes...



Wear sunscreen
Enjoy the power and beauty of your youth
You are not as fat as you imagine
Don't worry about the future, or worry, but know that worrying is as effective as trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing bubble gum.
The real trouble in your life are apt to be things that have never crossed your mind, the things that tend to blind-side you at 4 P.M. on some idle Tuesday.
Do one thing everyday that scares you.
Sing
Don't be reckless with other people's hearts, and don't put up with those who are reckless with your's
Floss
Don't waste your time on jealousy. Sometimes you're ahead, sometimes you're behind. The race is long, but in the end, it's only with yourself.
Remember compliments you recieve, forget the insults.
Keep your old love notes. Throw away your old bank statements.
Stretch
Don't feel guilty if you don't know what you want to do with your life. The most interesting people I know, didn't know at 22 what they wanted to do with their lives, and some of the most interesting 40 year olds I know, still don't.
Get plenty of calcium, and be kind to your needs
Maybe you'll marry, mabye you won't. Maybe you'll have children, maybe you won't. Maybe you'll divorce at fourty, maybe you'll dance the funky chicken on your 75th wedding anniversary.
Whatever you do, don't congratulate yourself too much or berate yourself either.
Your choices are half chance, and so are everyone else's.
Enjoy your body. Use it every way you can. Don't be afraid of it, or what other people think of it. It is the greatest instrument you'll ever have.
Dance. Even if you have no where to do it but in your own living room.
Read the directions, even if don't follow them.
Do not read beauty magazines, they will only make you feel ugly.
Get to know your parents. You never know when they'll be gone for good.
Be nice to your siblings. They are your best link to your past, and the most likely to stick with you in the future.
Understand that friends come and go, but a precious few you should hold onto.Work hard to bridge the gaps in geography and lifestyle, because the older you get, the more you need the people you knew when you were young.
Live in New York City once, but leave before it makes you hard. Live in Northern California once, but leave before it makes you soft.
Travel.
Accept certain inalienable truths: prices will rise, politicians will philander, you too will get old, And when you do, you'll fanaticize that when you were young, prices were reasonable, politicians were noble, and children respected their elders.
Respect your elders
Don't expect anyone else to support you. Maybe you have a trust fund. Maybe you'll have a wealthy spouse, but you never know when either of these might run out.
Don't mess too much with your hair, or by the time you're 40, it will look 85.
Be careful with who's advice you buy, but be patient with those who supply it. Advice: a form of nostalgia. Dispensing it is a way of pushing the past form the disposal and wiping it off and painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth.

Well, that is all I have for you. post some comments, let me know what you think. Is this advice easy or hard to follow? Will you actually follow it? Thank you for taking the time to read this blog.
vlnjodie
I've also been having Google problems due to duplicate content. My blog was doing really well with Google and getting on the top of searchs when suddenly it stopped. I have erased the duplicate content (my old blog on blogger) and was wondering how long it would take to get some better rankings again. After your penelized does it take weeks or months to work your way back. Thanks

http://www.vlnjodie.frihost.net
mathiaus
Decided to change to .co.uk domain to emphasise it's a british site
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Siriusblacks.co.uk&btnG=Search
Google like it immediately. Strange ...
beatmasta601
leon44 wrote:
how does google actually work, i know it doesn't use keywords.
and what is the best search engine?


just search on www.google.com Rolling Eyes
magnaniteck
does any body know a good web redirecter
magnaniteck
www.wisenut.com is a good sherch engine
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