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Poll on France
Mostly Muslim communities in France have been rioting for 2 over weeks now. Is France getting what she deserves for allowing Muslim hate to run amuck for so many decades in the name of diversity?
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| Mostly Muslim communities in France have been rioting for 2 over weeks now. Is France getting what she deserves for allowing Muslim hate to run amuck for so many decades in the name of diversity? |
NO, in the name of diversity
Im my opinion it`s not a question of religion, but a question of hopelessness.
Last edited by morningstar on Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:36 pm; edited 1 time in total
I think the inherent secular policies of the French Republican state meant that they were unprepared for the actual number of Muslim immigrants who entered the country.
This and the fact that the integration policies for the communities such as neighbourhood groups, schooling, and so on were gradually cut back into nothing, resulting in the build up of so called "ghettos".
France is in the **** for not having suitable methods of dealing with this in the first place.
This and the fact that the integration policies for the communities such as neighbourhood groups, schooling, and so on were gradually cut back into nothing, resulting in the build up of so called "ghettos".
France is in the **** for not having suitable methods of dealing with this in the first place.
| SunburnedCactus wrote: |
| they were unprepared for the actual number of Muslim immigrants who entered the country.
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They had decades to deal with the problem that THEY SAW HAPPENING.
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| They had decades to deal with the problem that THEY SAW HAPPENING. |
Precisely!
| SunburnedCactus wrote: | ||
Precisely! |
So how could they be 'unprepared' ???
Oh, that's right, it's France.
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
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Oh, that's right, it's France. |
Maybe they were too busy avoiding other problems
| gonzo wrote: | ||
Maybe they were too busy avoiding other problems |
DOH!
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| Mostly Muslim communities in France have been rioting for 2 over weeks now. Is France getting what she deserves for allowing Muslim hate to run amuck for so many decades in the name of diversity? |
I think that they are. Maybe now they will listen to them.
The current crisis in Frnace is not as simple as some individuals want to describe the problem. The unrest has deep cultural and socio-economic roots that cannot completely be attributed to inadequate French policies. The large numbers of Arabs and Africans in France is caused by the economic boom of Western Europe after WWII., increasing poverty in Northern Africa and the Middle East, and falling birth rates across Europe. Many European economists believed that in order to sustain their economic progress they needed copious free labor and they opened the way for numerous non-Europeans to come. Although this trend stopped a few decades ago, more immigrants are arriving due to unrest in their home countries. No simple solution exists to the crises and simply condemning the French government and its attempts to ensure diversity is simply incorrect.
I have heard that the Muslim population in France has a 30% rate of unemployment. I might be a little bit off on that, but discrimination, poverty, and de facto segregation of the Arab/African population have probably had more of hand in the riots than "Muslims running about amuck".
For a Socialist country France appears to have a strange right wing attitude towards it's ethnic population.
I think the roots of this problem comes from the French people themselves. The native population has to change is attitude about immigration and intergration for France to move forward.
Britain too has problems and we have probably a more diverse population than France, but our policies are about trying to integrate people into society without taking away their own religious values at the same time.
The French goverment need to get off their pompous behinds and start reforming the way they deal with, what at the end of the day are human beings.
Paul
I think the roots of this problem comes from the French people themselves. The native population has to change is attitude about immigration and intergration for France to move forward.
Britain too has problems and we have probably a more diverse population than France, but our policies are about trying to integrate people into society without taking away their own religious values at the same time.
The French goverment need to get off their pompous behinds and start reforming the way they deal with, what at the end of the day are human beings.
Paul
I reckon they got what they deserve, and i'm happy that the problem of ehnic discrimination is now a current issue with the french parlement.
Personnaly, i live in Belgium where the same percentages of African immigrants are now living here. The only difference is that social living spaces like appartements and so on are not build in huge buildings close to one another. The are intricatly beeing in relatively small numbers among other normal houses and so on. That implies that new immigrants live close by to belgians, and thus allows them to integrate the communty a lot faster.
I think this is one of the reasons why the anger has come out in france... Immigrants are "parked" in communities where all they see are other immigrants having to struggle to keep/find a job... I suppose that if they saw pure french also struggling to keep a job, they wouldn't feel so out of place.
The other aspect is, i think, that there are poeple in the french "citι" who seem to win from the current situation where police are afraid to even come to their neighborhoods: drugs, guns ets ... When you know that you can make 500 in about two hours selling drugs, and that the cops don't even want to come over your place, why work ?
Anyway, my 2 cents
Personnaly, i live in Belgium where the same percentages of African immigrants are now living here. The only difference is that social living spaces like appartements and so on are not build in huge buildings close to one another. The are intricatly beeing in relatively small numbers among other normal houses and so on. That implies that new immigrants live close by to belgians, and thus allows them to integrate the communty a lot faster.
I think this is one of the reasons why the anger has come out in france... Immigrants are "parked" in communities where all they see are other immigrants having to struggle to keep/find a job... I suppose that if they saw pure french also struggling to keep a job, they wouldn't feel so out of place.
The other aspect is, i think, that there are poeple in the french "citι" who seem to win from the current situation where police are afraid to even come to their neighborhoods: drugs, guns ets ... When you know that you can make 500 in about two hours selling drugs, and that the cops don't even want to come over your place, why work ?
Anyway, my 2 cents
| Paul Knight wrote: |
| For a Socialist country France appears to have a strange right wing attitude towards it's ethnic population.
Paul |
I would not go as far as to call France a socialist country. While it is true that France does include some socialist elements (i.e. welfare) the political spectrum of the country includes both left and right wing elements and is dominated by moderates.
| igor123d wrote: | ||
I would not go as far as to call France a socialist country. While it is true that France does include some socialist elements (i.e. welfare) the political spectrum of the country includes both left and right wing elements and is dominated by moderates. |
Sorry , Yes socialist was a bit Strong. Decidedly left of centre on most issues compared to the UK though.
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