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Poll on France






Is France getting what she deserves for allowing Muslim hate to run amuck for so many decades in the name of diversity?
Yes
65%
 65%  [ 13 ]
No
35%
 35%  [ 7 ]
Total Votes : 20

S3nd K3ys
Mostly Muslim communities in France have been rioting for 2 over weeks now. Is France getting what she deserves for allowing Muslim hate to run amuck for so many decades in the name of diversity?
morningstar
S3nd K3ys wrote:
Mostly Muslim communities in France have been rioting for 2 over weeks now. Is France getting what she deserves for allowing Muslim hate to run amuck for so many decades in the name of diversity?


NO, in the name of diversity Exclamation

Im my opinion it`s not a question of religion, but a question of hopelessness.
SunburnedCactus
I think the inherent secular policies of the French Republican state meant that they were unprepared for the actual number of Muslim immigrants who entered the country.

This and the fact that the integration policies for the communities such as neighbourhood groups, schooling, and so on were gradually cut back into nothing, resulting in the build up of so called "ghettos".

France is in the **** for not having suitable methods of dealing with this in the first place.
S3nd K3ys
SunburnedCactus wrote:
they were unprepared for the actual number of Muslim immigrants who entered the country.
.


They had decades to deal with the problem that THEY SAW HAPPENING.
SunburnedCactus
S3nd K3ys wrote:
They had decades to deal with the problem that THEY SAW HAPPENING.


Precisely!
S3nd K3ys
SunburnedCactus wrote:
S3nd K3ys wrote:
They had decades to deal with the problem that THEY SAW HAPPENING.


Precisely!


So how could they be 'unprepared' ???








Oh, that's right, it's France. Wink
gonzo
S3nd K3ys wrote:


Oh, that's right, it's France. Wink


Maybe they were too busy avoiding other problems
S3nd K3ys
gonzo wrote:
S3nd K3ys wrote:


Oh, that's right, it's France. Wink


Maybe they were too busy avoiding other problems


DOH!


Laughing
JLC
S3nd K3ys wrote:
Mostly Muslim communities in France have been rioting for 2 over weeks now. Is France getting what she deserves for allowing Muslim hate to run amuck for so many decades in the name of diversity?


I think that they are. Maybe now they will listen to them.
igor123d
The current crisis in Frnace is not as simple as some individuals want to describe the problem. The unrest has deep cultural and socio-economic roots that cannot completely be attributed to inadequate French policies. The large numbers of Arabs and Africans in France is caused by the economic boom of Western Europe after WWII., increasing poverty in Northern Africa and the Middle East, and falling birth rates across Europe. Many European economists believed that in order to sustain their economic progress they needed copious free labor and they opened the way for numerous non-Europeans to come. Although this trend stopped a few decades ago, more immigrants are arriving due to unrest in their home countries. No simple solution exists to the crises and simply condemning the French government and its attempts to ensure diversity is simply incorrect.
sunrise
I have heard that the Muslim population in France has a 30% rate of unemployment. I might be a little bit off on that, but discrimination, poverty, and de facto segregation of the Arab/African population have probably had more of hand in the riots than "Muslims running about amuck".
Paul Knight
For a Socialist country France appears to have a strange right wing attitude towards it's ethnic population.

I think the roots of this problem comes from the French people themselves. The native population has to change is attitude about immigration and intergration for France to move forward.

Britain too has problems and we have probably a more diverse population than France, but our policies are about trying to integrate people into society without taking away their own religious values at the same time.

The French goverment need to get off their pompous behinds and start reforming the way they deal with, what at the end of the day are human beings.

Paul
Garg
I reckon they got what they deserve, and i'm happy that the problem of ehnic discrimination is now a current issue with the french parlement.

Personnaly, i live in Belgium where the same percentages of African immigrants are now living here. The only difference is that social living spaces like appartements and so on are not build in huge buildings close to one another. The are intricatly beeing in relatively small numbers among other normal houses and so on. That implies that new immigrants live close by to belgians, and thus allows them to integrate the communty a lot faster.

I think this is one of the reasons why the anger has come out in france... Immigrants are "parked" in communities where all they see are other immigrants having to struggle to keep/find a job... I suppose that if they saw pure french also struggling to keep a job, they wouldn't feel so out of place.

The other aspect is, i think, that there are poeple in the french "cité" who seem to win from the current situation where police are afraid to even come to their neighborhoods: drugs, guns ets ... When you know that you can make 500€ in about two hours selling drugs, and that the cops don't even want to come over your place, why work ?

Anyway, my 2 cents
igor123d
Paul Knight wrote:
For a Socialist country France appears to have a strange right wing attitude towards it's ethnic population.

Paul


I would not go as far as to call France a socialist country. While it is true that France does include some socialist elements (i.e. welfare) the political spectrum of the country includes both left and right wing elements and is dominated by moderates.
Paul Knight
igor123d wrote:
Paul Knight wrote:
For a Socialist country France appears to have a strange right wing attitude towards it's ethnic population.

Paul


I would not go as far as to call France a socialist country. While it is true that France does include some socialist elements (i.e. welfare) the political spectrum of the country includes both left and right wing elements and is dominated by moderates.


Sorry , Yes socialist was a bit Strong. Decidedly left of centre on most issues compared to the UK though.
busman
To understand why many islamic countries governments dislike the USA and Western Europe all you have to do is study history, its all pretty simple guys. We invaded them during the crusades an slaughtered peasants, women, children and other religous people like it was going out of fashion. After the Mongol's came... Did we help the islamic world then? (whom btw had all the knowledge in the world at the time in the library of baghdad) No... We allowed the Mongols to throw rotting corpses full of the black death over their city walls and burn down the library of baghdad too, putting us into a little period you all might of heard of called "The Dark Ages" which in turn helped invent modern banking (the true modern criminals).
Fast Forward to colonialism, we raped and pillaged their lands YET AGAIN and took their land from them this time. For close to 200 years. Then shoved ethnic groups of people who had been rivals for 1000's of years together in the same country (it'd be like putting the French and British in one country and saying ENJOY!) based on there ability to coerce the newly independant countries with weak governments into giving the west the best oil prices. - From a previous post of mine but i think it pertains here as well.
Now add that in with segregated ghettos, a high unemployment rate, few attempts at integrating the immigrants into the country and ALL YOU HAVE is a major recipe for disaster. Does France as a government deserve this...? Maybe so. Do the French people as a whole deserve this? No. No populus deserves rioting, property destruction and loss of liberty do to the actions of others. And for the OP to suggest so is horrendous. I've read many of your posts and they seem very cold and numb to the suffering that is caused by an attitude like yours. There is no reason for deserving an attack against a country's liberties do to violence by an outside group. EVER. Did the black's in America acheive civil liberties through violence and coercion... No. Should the Muslims in France. No... But to say the people of France, the regular folks like you and me deserve this to be on their news everynight, be afraid of a new population of immigrants even more so than they already are, have civil unrest and the safety torn from their streets is disgustin to say the least.
airh3ad
They need to respect the rules in france.For Muslims in France, it was their worst nightmare come true as i observed The young Muslim women involved in the argument after the assembly were united in their belief that Merah’s death should not be celebrated, even if they were there to pay homage to the victims.
gandalfthegrey
Your question is racist, loaded and anti-French.

First off, you call France a she. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but I seriously doubt you'd refer to your own country as a she - but as a he. So I suspect you already possess some anti-French bias.

Second, you use the term "run amok" rather than describing specific things you feel that the French Muslim community has done to upset you.

While I might agree that certain European countries have allowed too much immigration -- to the point it can potentially destabilize their countries -- its individuals like yourself that weaken any sincere debate or criticism by appearing racist. I however don't agree that France in particular has allowed any particular ethnic or religious community to "run amok" - if anything, France has been tough on the muslim community with measures such as banning the burqa/fully covering your face.
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