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Obama ok with using child soldiers to protect America?






Should we allow child soldiers to protect our interests in Africa?
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JoryRFerrell
http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-waives-ban-on-aiding-regimes-that-use-child-soldiers/article/2536609

While it may be happening in another country, Obama is supporting using child soldiers to directly protect our personal interests. You can claim that he is not supporting it, but when we send money and don't directly penalize the same country, it is contributing to the problem. That is support. Would you have condoned funding the Taliban when they were attacking the Russians during their invasion? No, because they are terrorists who are now a huge problem. Would you personally feel it acceptable to fund Canada if they employed/owned child slaves/soldiers? No. Of course not.
Would it be acceptable to allow children in our country to be forced into service for the sake of our national security? If not, why is it ok for Obama to say foreign kids being used as slave soldiers, solely for the sake of OUR national security, is perfectly acceptable? Again. He may not say it is "acceptable", but saying that a law meant to target countries with child soldiers because normally that is wrong, then turning around and waiving that law....that is an indirect statement saying it is acceptable. Should we do something about this to prevent our government from using child slaves to fight for our interests, when standing back essentially mean's we don't value the lives of those abroad? If we don't value the lives of even children abroad, and act on that respect, working to protect their rights from violation, even from our own country, can we really expect respect from the rest of the world? Can we really expect each other in our own country to respect us? If people try to make an excuse like, "There is NOTHING I can do about it...", so they can watch football...do they deserve respect?
deanhills
Nothing makes sense, including electing Obama for a President. Was he elected for his ability to tell the truth? Or his ability to lie through his teeth in the most marketable of ways? The gift of the gab as they say. He can dish up everything very nicely to the audience with emphasis on feeding them what they want to hear.

Furthermore, something that also irritates me is that the US is supposed to be a democratic country. Congress gets to cast its vote, while US citizens seem to be just watching from their TV armchairs without taking responsibility for the voting that takes place as well. And then get to moan about the decisions afterwards. When are US citizens going to take responsibility for electing the leaders they have, or allowing a political system to be in place for electing the leaders they have, or allowing crooked sponsorships of organisations like the Taliban to happen?
Afaceinthematrix
JoryRFerrell wrote:
You can claim that he is not supporting it, but when we send money and don't directly penalize the same country, it is contributing to the problem. That is support.


First off, paragraphs are nice. It clarifies your points.

Secondly, you're just looking for a reason to hate Obama and ignoring the blatant hypocrisy surrounding that sentence. Are you supporting child labor every time you buy something that was made in China and possibly made by child labor? I would say, "No" because often times you have no other conveinient choice. It's also probably the cheapest choice and the economy sucks and your family wants to eat. At any rate, to be okay with that but not what you mentioned is blatant hypocrisy.

We aid a country that uses child soldiers? So what? It's a crappy situation but the alternative is to hurt, and possibly starve, innocent people. This is similar to the Republican idea that we should drug test welfare receivers (despite the fact that it is more expensive than the money saved). Well yes, I hate that people buy booze and drugs with welfare money and would love to cut them off but that doesn't help their innocent children.
coolclay
First off lets just be clear that I disagree with all foreign aid.

Our Constitution does provide any provision for any office, executive or legislative, to provide taxpayers funds to other countries for any reason. The practice of which became common place after the World Wars, but was never even considered prior to them.

The concept of foreign aid is essentially a form of global socialism of which our country has strongly denounced since it's formation.

How and why did we become the caretakers, and police of the world. We are just another country like Australia, Russia, or any other for that matter. Call me an isolationist, but I don't think it's should be our duty to feed and protect the world any more than I think Dominica should be (and believe me they are not).

Prior to the World Wars the US was very strongly an isolationist country however after repeated attacks from Germany and it's allies, we changed our minds. I think it's time we change our thinking and think about our own best interests for a little.

Anyway regarding the article it doesn't surprise me. While I am not one of those crazy Obama haters, (I am a libertarian). Obama and his cabinet have consistently bent and found ways around so many laws during his administration it's mind boggling.

Laws are in place for a reason. If you use children for war, then you don't receive US Aid, end of story.
JoryRFerrell
coolclay wrote:
First off lets just be clear that I disagree with all foreign aid.

Our Constitution does provide any provision for any office, executive or legislative, to provide taxpayers funds to other countries for any reason. The practice of which became common place after the World Wars, but was never even considered prior to them.

The concept of foreign aid is essentially a form of global socialism of which our country has strongly denounced since it's formation.

How and why did we become the caretakers, and police of the world. We are just another country like Australia, Russia, or any other for that matter. Call me an isolationist, but I don't think it's should be our duty to feed and protect the world any more than I think Dominica should be (and believe me they are not).

Prior to the World Wars the US was very strongly an isolationist country however after repeated attacks from Germany and it's allies, we changed our minds. I think it's time we change our thinking and think about our own best interests for a little.

Anyway regarding the article it doesn't surprise me. While I am not one of those crazy Obama haters, (I am a libertarian). Obama and his cabinet have consistently bent and found ways around so many laws during his administration it's mind boggling.

Laws are in place for a reason. If you use children for war, then you don't receive US Aid, end of story.


Well, so long as we support brutal dictators in Africa to maintain access to cheap resources, I think they deserve financial aid.
JoryRFerrell
Afaceinthematrix wrote:
JoryRFerrell wrote:
You can claim that he is not supporting it, but when we send money and don't directly penalize the same country, it is contributing to the problem. That is support.


First off, paragraphs are nice. It clarifies your points.

Secondly, you're just looking for a reason to hate Obama and ignoring the blatant hypocrisy surrounding that sentence. Are you supporting child labor every time you buy something that was made in China and possibly made by child labor? I would say, "No" because often times you have no other conveinient choice. It's also probably the cheapest choice and the economy sucks and your family wants to eat. At any rate, to be okay with that but not what you mentioned is blatant hypocrisy.

We aid a country that uses child soldiers? So what? It's a crappy situation but the alternative is to hurt, and possibly starve, innocent people. This is similar to the Republican idea that we should drug test welfare receivers (despite the fact that it is more expensive than the money saved). Well yes, I hate that people buy booze and drugs with welfare money and would love to cut them off but that doesn't help their innocent children.


I don't need to look for a reason to hate Obama (or many other politicians). Drone strikes on non-combatants, weak support for gay marriage, increased war spending and troop increases...lot's of shit I don't need to look for at all...I also hate Bush, Romney, McCain, Cheney, etc...

Anyways...the child labor analogy was a good point, however it's a huge leap to go from supporting (inadvertently) child labor, to supporting child-soldiers-holding-a-weapon-and-being-shot-at...a big difference. If your family is starving to death, would you allow your kid to work? I would. It would suck, but it's better than starvation. I would not however send my kids off to fight wars for any reason. China's economy is getting better, but many families are dirt poor. This does not completely excuse child labor, but it is no where near as ****** as paying parents to....lease...their kids ( or even snatching up babies from villages in the middle of the night and forcing them to cut their teeth by murdering their own parent's) as cannon fodder.

I am not advocating entirely cutting aid. We could simply ensure that we distribute the supplies in a more direct manner to the citizens of that country. Right now, we are apparently handing money to the government to distribute itself. That should be stopped immediately, and any aid given should be distributed by our own hands. It would cut into the total funds with which we could help, but it's better than directly giving money to governments which may not even use the money properly in the first place (possibly even sticking it in their own bank accounts).

As for domestic welfare, I personally would support drug testing despite the extra expense simply on principle. This country has enough....or had....to do drug testing and give aid. It should have done so. Also, the money saved by drug testing alone may not seem worth it...but it can actually save money in a fashion: it boosts the economy (making the dollar stronger, and so making our money go further, same as if you had simply saved more money)...by forcing folks who would otherwise avoid work, to go out and actually gain employment to feed themselves....or further their drug habit.
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